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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/22/2012 8:04 PM EDT

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    In response to "Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule": OK, now that you've finished your usual anti-BC rant, tell me what part of my post is inaccurate?. I won't hold my beath waiting for you to answer this question.
    Posted by Eagle78

     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/22/2012 8:10 PM EDT

    While I agree that UCONN fans should take care of their own issues not giving UMASS a place on a schedule, I (as a BC fan) am somewhat mystified by the BC move to drop UMASS. Things at BC are going to improve; Coach Donahue is a good man and given time he is going to do a great job at BC. In the meantime let's play UMASS, PC, Holy Cross, Fairfield, BU, Harvard....
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/22/2012 9:32 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule : Keep playing UMAINE and Stony Brook big guy in that sand box there off of Reservoir ... you'll get far in the FBS ! UND renewed their committment with the University of Texas .. anywhere anyplace !
    Posted by UofNDKing

    Gipper, let me remind you that in the last 17 meetings between UofND and BC, the Eagles are 9-8. Also, the Eagles are 3-2 in the last 5 meetings with Touchdown Jesus overseeing the festivities in South Bend. The South Benders are not scheduled to face Texas until 2015 in South Bend. Anywhere, anyplace, as long as it's your place.
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 12:22 PM EDT

    Eagle 78, my post was regarding BC basketball dropping Umass basketball from its schedule. Of course BC is going to schedule UMass for football. Umass football is in a rebuilding process and wont be good for some a while. I think that BC basketball showed they were cowards when they didnt schedule UMass but that is typical for BC athletics. All smoke and mirrors
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 12:25 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule : Mkelly: Did you see the FB schedule that Umass just released.  It confirms BC/Umass FB games for 2014, 2016, and 2018.  This continues the scheduling of BC/Umass FB games - I think they have played twice in the past 4 or 5 years. I disagree with BC putting the Umass BB games on hold for the the near-term, however, I think it is only for the near-term and will be back on the schedule eventually.  To the Uconn fans who have criticized BC in this thread, I simply ask why Uconn has not regularly scheduled Umass in either hoops or FB - especially when this game would be a more natural pairing than Umass/BC (both flagship state universities with both campuses closer to each other than either to BC). I  believe Umass and Uconn will play each other in FB this year for the first time since Uconn moved up to FBS.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no follow up game scheduled. Frankly, for Uconn fans to criticize BC for this is a bit hypocritical, no?
    Posted by Eagle78



    I could answer that.  Football, they should play in football and they are this year but Umass is where Uconn was 10 years ago.  It will take Umass time to catch up and maybe they will and maybe they won't.  With football, you have a limited amount of non-league games but I think Uconn/Umass football would be fun but Uconn would now have 1 less non-league game.

    Hoops, why would Uconn bother scheduling Umass?  Historically, read below.  It hasn't been much of a "rivalry" as Umass usually is not very good but of course the past season and this one also, people are now coming out of the woodwork asking for it as it would be a competiive game next year and maybe even this year.  The difference really is Uconn is a National program and Umass is a good local program that is nationally relevant every 10-15 years and that 10-15 years happen to probably be next year.  I think if Umass can stay tourney worthy every other year, it would make sense but they need to prove they are at Uconn's level before Uconn does them any favors.  Uconn has played in the BIG national tourneys every year (maui, NIT tip off, battle for atlantis, etc...) and I'd rather see them play in the national tourneys than another local game.  You may ask why not schedule Umass as a local game- quite simply because Calhoun probably doesn't want to "reward" Umass with a game against a National contender because he didn't like them when Coach Cal was there and there are no ties to that team.  He does have ties to AIC, Stony Brook, Central Ct and Holy Cross so those local teams usually play Uconn and get paid quite a bit to play them.  So why schedule any more local games?  It only hurts them come tourney time and RPI.  I know Umass is a good team this year and next year but in the past 15 years, they have not been nearly as good and come NCAA selection time beating a Umass team is not a big deal.  I think Umass needs to prove to be a sustaining program and not just a good team every now and then before Uconn schedules them every year.

    However BC dropping Umass is not the same at all.  BC is not on an elite level like Uconn in hoops and really it's not even close.  BC has always been a marginal player in college hoops and Umass is trending up so GDF does what he does best, runs away.  This BC team lost to URI which is awful and next year Umass would destroy BC again.  GDF is trying to schedule slam dunk wins so he doesn't get the heat for being terrible in conference (sound like the football schedule).  A bunch of barely D1 football teams followed by an ACC beat down and they make a bowl game at .500 because they front loaded the season with easy wins.   


    From Wiki:
  6. Connecticut Huskies - UMass Minutemen (Atlantic 10): Stemming from a resurgence of UMass basketball in the mid-1990s, fans of both teams clamored for a renewal of this regional basketball rivalry. The resulting MassMutual UGame pitted the two schools in an annual contest between 1996-2006. UConn won all but one game in the new series, and the teams were unable to reach an agreement on continuing the series past 2006.
 

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 12:31 PM EDT

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    Eagle 78, my post was regarding BC basketball dropping Umass basketball from its schedule. Of course BC is going to schedule UMass for football. Umass football is in a rebuilding process and wont be good for some a while. I think that BC basketball showed they were cowards when they didnt schedule UMass but that is typical for BC athletics. All smoke and mirrors
    Posted by mkelly1984


    I kind of agree here.  However, the Umass fans tend to forget that most years their hoops team is pretty terrible but they are trending up right now and the timing to drop Umass from BC's schedule is poor. 

    Let's be honest, since 2000 the record has been 10-2 in favor of BC in hoops.  I know the 90's were better for Umass and I definitely could see Umass destroying this current BC team until Coach D is canned and they find someone who can recruit talented players but the "rivalry" is not as close as you might imagine by listening to Umass fans. 
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 1:58 PM EDT

    As a UMass fan I can't complain too much about BC dropping us.  Kellogg had a young team that had no experience with winning, so he scheduled an entire slate of near-guaranteed W's this past season.  

    I'm sure that BC was thinking the same approach for the coming year. Never-say-never, but the chances of BC coming out of an encounter with UMass next season with a victory, or even a competitive game, was slim.   Better to go for an easy W and build on it.  They're not risking much with this approach,  UMass will say 'yes' the instant they offer to play the game again. 

    BC is probably leaving a little money on the table.  Again, not alot,  but more than they're going to get when 2K show up to sleep through a no-name Stony Brook caliber opponent.   Money aside, this does nothing to keep students interested in the program.   Bad move by the Deflippo (oops I just called him Gladchuck, although I'm struggling to make a distinction!) , he really should just ride out the lows.
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 2:01 PM EDT

    I think Umass fans can almost thank BC for dropping them as pummeling a hapless BC team would not do anything for their RPI except maybe hurt it.  I would see this is a sign from GDF that he has NO faith in this team and coach.

    it is odd that the only time BC sells out the place is when they play a good local team yet GDF is running away from doing that.  Very sad what is going on at The Heights. 
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 3:25 PM EDT

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    Notre Dame is among future UMass foes in football! Great article about UMASS and  big time football coming to Foxboro ... say good bye rust belt pioneers to Alumni Statium (UMAINE, Stony Brook) and feast your eyes on Michigan, Kansas State, and Bill Petersen, Colorado, Wisconsin. Now you can put BC in the back burner where it belongs in athletics. While BC plays Rosary Bead State, UMASS will be in the Big House and that's all that matters $$$$$$!!!!!!  
    Posted by UofNDKing


    Games at Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Michigan, Vandy, and Colorado. Didn't some UMass fans want to saty at the FCS level and play such National Powers as Central Connecticut and Towson? Charlie Molnar is doing a damn good job at scheduling, something Derek Kellogg can learn from.
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/23/2012 6:42 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule : Games at Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Michigan, Vandy, and Colorado. Didn't some UMass fans want to saty at the FCS level and play such National Powers as Central Connecticut and Towson? Charlie Molnar is doing a damn good job at scheduling, something Derek Kellogg can learn from.
    Posted by redbarchetta88


    I just hope Charlie can find the money to power this engine -- I wonder what the volume of new ticket sales for UMass/Foxboro is. How much of it is going to come from being the dumped chumps at ND, PSU and the like ... Towson and CCu are powers, just at a different level and belittleing them serves no purpose whatsoever.
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/24/2012 6:55 AM EDT

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    I think Umass fans can almost thank BC for dropping them as pummeling a hapless BC team would not do anything for their RPI except maybe hurt it.  I would see this is a sign from GDF that he has NO faith in this team and coach. it is odd that the only time BC sells out the place is when they play a good local team yet GDF is running away from doing that.  Very sad what is going on at The Heights. 
    Posted by Donnnn


    the only time BBall has sold out the past few years is for Duke or North Carolina save for the one this year vs Harvard. Its just been the two big ACC teams that draw crowds normally
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/24/2012 9:18 AM EDT

    UMass to visit Penn State in 2014!

    KUDOS UMASS! AND, YES BC IS A JOKE... STONY BROOK OR PSU?

     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/24/2012 10:42 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule : Games at Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Michigan, Vandy, and Colorado. Didn't some UMass fans want to saty at the FCS level and play such National Powers as Central Connecticut and Towson? Charlie Molnar is doing a damn good job at scheduling, something Derek Kellogg can learn from.
    Posted by redbarchetta88


    it's a double edged sword scheduling like that when just coming into D1.  They will make a good amount of money by playing at those schools but there is a good chance they will be getting paid to be a whipping boy for those schools.  I doubt many of them will return the favor and play AT umass as there really isn't much of a point to do so.  Maybe if Umass travels 2 times maybe one of them like a Vandy will return the favor but I doubt it will be one for one.  Scheduling like that could demoralize a young team like Umass.

    Hoops is a different animal as teams would want to avoid Umass next year.  Maybe after that they may schedule Umass but again doubtful it would be one for one.  As good as Umass may be this year or next, most bigger schools would probably avoid a team like Umass as there is little to gain.  The only way to schedule those large hoops programs would be playing at those larger schools but very doubtful the large schools will come to Umass.  Gonzaga used to always complain about how they can't get good team to travel to them so they travelled and played the bog boys away....
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/24/2012 1:23 PM EDT

    Don

    I agree with you on the football; teams that do this mainly do it for the money.  for all intents and purposes they are a D1AA team for the next few years so teams like ND and PS don't have much to fear

    As a taxpayer, this is the educational equivalent of the Big Dig.  There are few enough programs in D1 that are self-supporting in football and without a major contract the MAC won't have a lot to dish out.  The MA taxpayer will be called upon to subsidize all the costs to upgrade, including the increased coaching salaries.  Also, how many students will make the 90 mile trip to root on UMASS for the next few years.  how about the upgrade at McGuirk?  Will the program cover the costs to increase and improve that facilities as well as those needed to attract d1 players.  The only sugar daddy who can do this is the citizenry of the Commonwealth.

    Unlike BC, John Harrington ain't walking through that door any time soon
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 4/24/2012 3:55 PM EDT

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    Don I agree with you on the football; teams that do this mainly do it for the money.  for all intents and purposes they are a D1AA team for the next few years so teams like ND and PS don't have much to fear As a taxpayer, this is the educational equivalent of the Big Dig.  There are few enough programs in D1 that are self-supporting in football and without a major contract the MAC won't have a lot to dish out.  The MA taxpayer will be called upon to subsidize all the costs to upgrade, including the increased coaching salaries.  Also, how many students will make the 90 mile trip to root on UMASS for the next few years.  how about the upgrade at McGuirk?  Will the program cover the costs to increase and improve that facilities as well as those needed to attract d1 players.  The only sugar daddy who can do this is the citizenry of the Commonwealth. Unlike BC, John Harrington ain't walking through that door any time soon
    Posted by provpats


    I agree with the facility piece...  Just like Uconn when they play hoops at the XL center, the games are kind of lame with the rich insurance executives taking the good seats.  I love Gampel games as the atmosphere is amazing!   or Renschleer (sp?) with less of a drive than Foxborough from Amherst but it still isn't the same as on campus.  
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 5/7/2012 12:53 PM EDT

    Did anyone else think that the season ticket count at McGuirk Stadium would have been a lot more then 2,200?

     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 5/19/2012 8:53 AM EDT

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    Did anyone else think that the season ticket count at McGuirk Stadium would have been a lot more then 2,200?
    Posted by cp77


    No suprised by that number at all - in fact it's higher than I thought. My season tix at UMASS were in the premium section, but bunches of what I call corporate seats around me were mosty empty - part of the "priority point" scheme to get better seats for BB. Started with the Cal & Camby days and is being continued to Gilette. It's a great deal if your corporate and can use it as a  tax write-off, but as a former (1969-2011) season ticket holder, I just can't compete - money gets better seats, loyalty and longevity gets you squat!
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 5/19/2012 8:55 AM EDT

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    Did anyone else think that the season ticket count at McGuirk Stadium would have been a lot more then 2,200?
    Posted by cp77


    Will also be interested to se if the UMASS AD divulges seat counts for the Gilette move and/or how many season ticket holders didn't make the move. For the sake of the university, I hope lots of grads in the Metro area pick up what I've dropped.
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 5/20/2012 7:38 AM EDT

    BC is to be compared to the Red Sox losers in all things considered important. BC programs in athletics in the ACC is joke ... take a hard look at their women's program, another athletic joke of female ineptness in the ACC!
     

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    Re: BC Drops UMass from schedule

    posted at 5/20/2012 7:39 AM EDT

    UMASS season ticket sales well do well, thank you Bob Kraft!