Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC

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    Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC

    There is little to be gained in promoting the academic profess of your university on a sports forum but since that seems to be the dominant defense of BC fans then I suppose it's worth pointing out that UConn is ranked equivalent to Maryland and higher than most of the other public universities in the ACC (Virginia Tech, Clemson, NC State, Florida State).  It seems to me that BC has gained nothing from entering the ACC except some extra dollars and consistently mediocre seasons in basketball and football.  Uconn has had little interest in entering the ACC because, prior to Syracuse and Pitt's decision--based almost entirely on ESPN TV money--the Big East was still a better conference even after BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech left.
     
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    Wrong! UConn tried to pursue avenues to get into the ACC but were not invited Big, Big difference. Pittsburgh and Syracuse are smart because they know their involvement in a better, growing conference will help with recruiting and competition much more improved now.

    Uconn is making excuses now that they were turned down so now they back peddle with comments about the Big Least being just fine without the schools that left, nothing could be further form the truth.

    Heck Notre Dame knows where to be if they want to build a bigger, stronger hockey program. Right next to Boston College that's why the domers built a bigtime hockey rink after joining Hockey East.

    The same goes for Cuse and Pitt they followed Gene D in the right direction!
     
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    Sorry bac10 - obviously you do not follow college sports closely. This has been a real tough year for BC Football, but coming into this season did you realize that BC has the SECOND MOST ACC football wins since joining the league? The Eagles have also been to the championship game of the ACC Basketball Tourney twice in the last five years!

    Be proud of your local school and Let's go Eagles!
     
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    Bac10 is right. Prior to the departure of Pitt and 'Cuse UConn had no interest in pursuing membership in the ACC. Bball was far superior in the Big East, and football was marginally better in the ACC. UConn does fit the profile of an ACC school better than many already in the ACC, given their academic ranking and athletic success. When you consider championship teams in men's and women's bball, men's soccer, and perenially top 5 teams in field hockey and women's soccer, it's a no brainer. Football is not as strong at this point, but they've been playing FBS for all of 8 years! Their facilities are still better than any in the nation, and there is plenty of room to grow. BC just has it's panties in a knot because they don't want competition in their backyard and are jealous of UConn's success, in addition to their holding of a grudge over the lawsuit the idiot Blumenthal brought. Of course, Pitt was also a major part of that lawsuit, which just proves the real reason BC wants to keep UConn out of the ACC is the former, and not the latter. 
     
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    UConn does fit the profile of an ACC school better than many already in the ACC, given their academic ranking and athletic success...Their facilities are still better than any in the nation...
    Posted by UKane99

    UK, if you compare UConn to all the ACC universities, then you'll find some discrepancies with that statement.

    As for your atheltic facitities comment, not really based in any fact, just check out the major players in the country rather than make the emphatic statement. Only the rare ACC basketball facility (and UConn too) matches up to nationwide comparisons.

    Overall though, I agree that BC needs to drop the regional recruiting fear and welcome competition with UConn.  The current approach is narrow minded and hurtful to both programs in the long run. 
     
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    Bac10 is right. Prior to the departure of Pitt and 'Cuse UConn had no interest in pursuing membership in the ACC. Bball was far superior in the Big East, and football was marginally better in the ACC. UConn does fit the profile of an ACC school better than many already in the ACC, given their academic ranking and athletic success. When you consider championship teams in men's and women's bball, men's soccer, and perenially top 5 teams in field hockey and women's soccer, it's a no brainer. Football is not as strong at this point, but they've been playing FBS for all of 8 years! Their facilities are still better than any in the nation, and there is plenty of room to grow. BC just has it's panties in a knot because they don't want competition in their backyard and are jealous of UConn's success, in addition to their holding of a grudge over the lawsuit the idiot Blumenthal brought. Of course, Pitt was also a major part of that lawsuit, which just proves the real reason BC wants to keep UConn out of the ACC is the former, and not the latter. 
    Posted by UKane99


    BC is a deplorable example of in what we put forward Nationally in this locale!
     
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    Wrong! UConn tried to pursue avenues to get into the ACC but were not invited Big, Big difference. Pittsburgh and Syracuse are smart because they know their involvement in a better, growing conference will help with recruiting and competition much more improved now. Uconn is making excuses now that they were turned down so now they back peddle with comments about the Big Least being just fine without the schools that left, nothing could be further form the truth. Heck Notre Dame knows where to be if they want to build a bigger, stronger hockey program. Right next to Boston College that's why the domers built a bigtime hockey rink after joining Hockey East. The same goes for Cuse and Pitt they followed Gene D in the right direction!
    Posted by SanDogBrewin


    Are you some sort of a BC clone that does not know a damn thing about good FBS football?
     
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    Uconn obviously would want to join the ACC now that other core members such as Pitt and Syracuse are leaving as well as possibly West Virginia.  Perhaps the Big East could never survive long term because of the imbalance between basketball-only schools and football schools--unlike every other major conference--but BC has a losing record in ACC football since 2008 and has become a basketball doormat so I don't see how the move was good for their athletic department.  At the time, BC moved with hopes of becoming a national powerhouse in college athletics, not because they preferred being a mediocre ACC school to a mediocre Big East school. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : BC is a deplorable example of in what we put forward Nationally in this locale!
    Posted by cheeroh


    C'mon cheerio, fess up.
    Where do you really live? Who are you really?
    In this post you say "we put forward Nationally in this locale"
    In another you refer to "you all in the Northeast"
    Admit that you are 82ab and whr and probably 1 or 2 others
    Admit that you are a fraud and a phony and your life will become much better.
     
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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : Uconn obviously would want to join the ACC now that other core members such as Pitt and Syracuse are leaving as well as possibly West Virginia.  Perhaps the Big East could never survive long term because of the imbalance between basketball-only schools and football schools--unlike every other major conference--but BC has a losing record in ACC football since 2008 and has become a basketball doormat so I don't see how the move was good for their athletic department.  At the time, BC moved with hopes of becoming a national powerhouse in college athletics, not because they preferred being a mediocre ACC school to a mediocre Big East school. 
    Posted by bac10


    I continue to be amazed at how many BC haters pretend to be experts and make up facts to support their hate.
    For the record, BC DOES NOT HAVE A LOSING RECORD IN ACC FOOTBALL SINCE
    2008  9-5 overall, 5-4 ACC
    2009  8-5 overall, 5-3 ACC
    2010  7-6 overall, 4-4 ACC 

    The basketball doormat finished with 20 wins last season and made the NIT (presumably along with many other doormats)

    BC didn't join the ACC with hopes of becoming a national power house. They joined because even in 2003 BC was smart enough to see the big east was a train wreck, and the ACC offered stability and yes more money.
     
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    My bad, I didn't realize their 0-4 record this year doesn't count.  For some reason I thought that in calculating their record since 2008 (14-15), I should probably include all the games that they have played in the ACC since 2008.  

    In terms of basketball, they have missed the NCAA tournament 3 out of the 5 past years--including two bad losing seasons--and were ranked last in the pre-season poll this year.  

     
     
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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : Are you some sort of a clone ?
    Posted by cheeroh


    I'd answer the question but you don't know what a clone is...
     
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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : I continue to be amazed at how many BC haters pretend to be experts and make up facts to support their hate. For the record, BC DOES NOT HAVE A LOSING RECORD IN ACC FOOTBALL SINCE 2008  9-5 overall, 5-4 ACC 2009  8-5 overall, 5-3 ACC 2010  7-6 overall, 4-4 ACC  The basketball doormat finished with 20 wins last season and made the NIT (presumably along with many other doormats) BC didn't join the ACC with hopes of becoming a national power house. They joined because even in 2003 BC was smart enough to see the big east was a train wreck, and the ACC offered stability and yes more money.
    Posted by ScreenNameGoesHere


    Add on the next 5 years of losing in Baseball, Basketball & Football to your figures and you have your answer. BC has done well in ACC Baseball now hasn't it?
     
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    My bad, I didn't realize their 0-4 record this year doesn't count.  For some reason I thought that in calculating their record since 2008 (14-15), I should probably include all the games that they have played in the ACC since 2008.   In terms of basketball, they have missed the NCAA tournament 3 out of the 5 past years--including two bad losing seasons--and were ranked last in the pre-season poll this year.    
    Posted by bac10


    Sure we can include 0-4 from this year, but then let's also include 2007 and 2006. In fact let's go back to the 1st year in the ACC. Oh but that would ruin your  "BC sucks" agenda wouldn't it?
    You posted that BC had a losing record in ACC football for a time window that fits your purpose. And you posted it 1 day after the loss that gave BC a losing record for the first time since they joined the ACC
    Have you been waiting since 2005 to post this?
    Dude you need to get a life

    And if basketall is a doormat because they only made the NCAA in 2 of the last 5 years, what do you call the teams that made it only once, or didn't make it at all?
     
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    You have reason to say they're declining and having a bad year, showing signs of the need for change, etc...but a doormat....not really if you unbiasedly look at the history.

    I'd think most fans would be fine with Uconn joining ACC, nothing wrong with good competition.

     
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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : Sure we can include 0-4 from this year, but then let's also include 2007 and 2006. In fact let's go back to the 1st year in the ACC. Oh but that would ruin your  "BC sucks" agenda wouldn't it? You posted that BC had a losing record in ACC football for a time window that fits your purpose. And you posted it 1 day after the loss that gave BC a losing record for the first time since they joined the ACC Have you been waiting since 2005 to post this? Dude you need to get a life And if basketall is a doormat because they only made the NCAA in 2 of the last 5 years, what do you call the teams that made it only once, or didn't make it at all?
    Posted by ScreenNameGoesHere

    BC football, basketball & baseball are NCAA losing programs ... man up idiot!
     
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    Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC

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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : Sure we can include 0-4 from this year, but then let's also include 2007 and 2006. In fact let's go back to the 1st year in the ACC. Oh but that would ruin your  "BC sucks" agenda wouldn't it? You posted that BC had a losing record in ACC football for a time window that fits your purpose. And you posted it 1 day after the loss that gave BC a losing record for the first time since they joined the ACC Have you been waiting since 2005 to post this? Dude you need to get a life And if basketall is a doormat because they only made the NCAA in 2 of the last 5 years, what do you call the teams that made it only once, or didn't make it at all?
    Posted by ScreenNameGoesHere

    That BC football was better in the immediate years after leaving the Big East, when they essentially were playing with their Big East recruits, just proves my point that the program has declined over time since joining the ACC.  I couldn't care less whether they are a little under .500, .500, or a little over .500.  The point is they are an average-at-best football program heading in the wrong direction. They and their supporters should focus on that fact and spend less time trying to pretend they are the top athletic program in the Northeast or backslapping about aiding the destruction of a conference they helped found and were once a proud member.

    In terms of basketball, BC's best two years in the ACC were their first two years when again they were playing primarily with Big East recruits.  As with football, joining the ACC seems to have hurt their competitiveness and recruiting over time.    




     
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    Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC

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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : That BC football was better in the immediate years after leaving the Big East, when they essentially were playing with their Big East recruits, just proves my point that the program has declined over time since joining the ACC.  I couldn't care less whether they are a little under .500, .500, or a little over .500.  The point is they are an average-at-best football program heading in the wrong direction. They and their supporters should focus on that fact and spend less time trying to pretend they are the top athletic program in the Northeast or backslapping about aiding the destruction of a conference they helped found and were once a proud member. In terms of basketball, BC's best two years in the ACC were their first two years when again they were playing primarily with Big East recruits.  As with football, joining the ACC seems to have hurt their competitiveness and recruiting over time.    
    Posted by bac10


    You're right about the first two years, but otherwise, not really.  What's happened is the decline in coaching / recruiting efforts for both programs.  As we've debated over and over here and elsewhere, Skinner lost his assistants and his own personal drive to recruit hard and fast which is what's needed to build a basketball program.  SD has just begun so we'll see what he can deliver.

    In football, O'Brien thought the grass would be greener so he left, but clearly it's not.  Then, GDF errored on behalf of the football program.  The error occured when he hired Jags, who has shown with his continued professional path that he's not cut out to build a program, but is rather a disingenuous salesman.  Additionally, he might have run a good offensive scheme with a first round QB (whom he did not recruit), but he wasn't thinking long term, which showed in the results of his weakening roster.

    Added to that, hiring Spaz was a calculated risk that has backfired to the detriment of both Spaz and the program.  Too bad really, Spaz is a good man, but can't seem to gain the respect of all parties that's needed to bring in talent and competency.  Now, GDF needs to start over and a person of integrity needs to be hired who can gain the turst of student-athletes and families to rebuild the program.

    But all these events have nothing to do with BE vs ACC.  They have to do with bad decisions.

    On a related note, the current scramble in league alliances and crumbled rivalries is fueled by tv contracts and money.  The fact that BC was able to move years ago, ahead of the curve and before this latest scramble, appears to have been a good move despite the hard feelings caused at the time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Bigger ACC = more teams that beat BC : You're right about the first two years, but otherwise, not really.  What's happened is the decline in coaching / recruiting efforts for both programs.  As we've debated over and over here and elsewhere, Skinner lost his assistants and his own personal drive to recruit hard and fast which is what's needed to build a basketball program.  SD has just begun so we'll see what he can deliver. In football, O'Brien thought the grass would be greener so he left, but clearly it's not.  Then, GDF errored on behalf of the football program.  The error occured when he hired Jags, who has shown with his continued professional path that he's not cut out to build a program, but is rather a disingenuous salesman.  Additionally, he might have run a good offensive scheme with a first round QB (whom he did not recruit), but he wasn't thinking long term, which showed in the results of his weakening roster. Added to that, hiring Spaz was a calculated risk that has backfired to the detriment of both Spaz and the program.  Too bad really, Spaz is a good man, but can't seem to gain the respect of all parties that's needed to bring in talent and competency.  Now, GDF needs to start over and a person of integrity needs to be hired who can gain the turst of student-athletes and families to rebuild the program. But all these events have nothing to do with BE vs ACC.  They have to do with bad decisions. On a related note, the current scramble in league alliances and crumbled rivalries is fueled by tv contracts and money.  The fact that BC was able to move years ago, ahead of the curve and before this latest scramble, appears to have been a good move despite the hard feelings caused at the time.
    Posted by trbow

    Yes, I would agree with most of this.  I don't know about their football recruiting but in terms of basketball it seems like it must have introduced new challenges however -- try to find northeastern players who wanted to stay in the northeast but play against teams from the south/mid-atlantic, try to recruit south/mid-atlantic players who wanted to go to the northeast but play teams closer to home, or go more national.      

     
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     Now that the BE will be saved with the addition of football schools from Texas, Colorado, Idaho, can we finally get the Uconn fans to stop with their compulsive- obsessive behaviors regarding all that is BC ? Or is this asking too much ? They need to move on. There is nothing to see here. Why do they care about BC ? They tell us BC " is irrelevant ", and  yet they spend all this time on BC in a Boston sports message board. Jeez, get over the fascination with BC and move on to the discussion boards of the teams in the BE, ya know ?  Go to the Temple, Rutgers, or Hartford Courant or New Haven Register boards, and talk about Uconn, Rutgers,etc and the BE league there. Most of us here barely care about BC sports here, so you know that we in the Boston region don't give a fying fig about what a school in Connecticut is doing in the Big Yeast these days.
     
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