THOUGHTS ON THE REDEMPTION OF MICHAEL VICK.... ON RIGHT TRACK?

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    for the record, roger goodelll is now a major fan of what vick has done thus far:

    "he's most proud of how Vick has turned his life around off the field".  


    like it or not, most people in this world are specieists, in that they do not really empathize with other beings from THEIR perspectives.. y else would we hunt, unnecessarily eat and wear them, degrade them as pets, test on them and so forth. what vick did is really just an extreme form of the same context. he paid his price, he's been restired, get on with it.. just like kobe, if he keeps performing at a high level, advertisers will come back and he may get bak on a hall of fame track! message society really sends is do not mess with HUMANS! so yep, oj and big ben are far worse! 
     
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    I am a firm believer in second chances if the person is truely sorry for what he/she did.  However the thing is how do we know if a person is sorry for the crimes he/she committed or if they are just saying all the right things to appease the public.  Fact is we will never know if Vick is sorry for what he did.  The higher power is the only one who will know for sure.  With that being said Vick can try and prove to people that he really gets it by charity work and putting in effort to make people aware of animal abuse and helping to end it.  We've all made mistakes in our lives (some worse than others) but it's how you rise above and learn from those mistakes and what you make of yourself afterwards.  It's all up to Vick how he handles it.  By playing good football it doesn't atone for what he did.  It's what he does outside of football as a man.

     
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    Vick was quite rich.  He had dogs torture each other, and so he got 21 months in prison during the prime time of his career, and then he filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.  I think the guy got slammed and he's not going to torture dogs ever again.  Justice seems to have worked reasonably well in this case.

    With Favre, let's see, it's alleged that he gave an underage woman alcohol, but there were roofies in the drink and then he and/or his manservant dragged her off and the QB sexually assaulted her.  So he got a six game suspension, but that was too harsh so he only got four games.  '< sarcasm />Justice seems to have worked reasonably well in this case.  '< / sarcasm>
     
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      He's got scary talent.
     
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    bb and killa, ur just amazing in ur narrowness. so lets kick out roethlisberger and vick and everyone else not as perfect as u guys... yep marketing the league and selling jerseys will be a lot better without them. hypocrisy? low IQ? come on now... y take cheap shots? u think only folks with ur narrow views are intelligent? vick and big ben are great for the LEAGUE. i could care less about vick as a person, i like him for what he does on the football. he right now is the BEST qb in football and is the MVP if he keeps it up. if he wins the super bowl, could be the greatest redemption in sports history. that is something to celebrate and goodell should be PROUD! vik could have given up or gone the tyson route but he has stuck with it.. its a great story. u would have kicked ray lewis out of the league too right? how has that turned out? these are great stories!takes more of a man and IQ to madmit mistakes and come back again then to just be "perfect" standing in judgment of all! would be great to c the pats play the phils in the SB again!
     
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    I also heard on Mike and Mike where they compared Pete Rose's gambling addiction and that disresecdting baseball as an equivalent.  Normally, they are two pretty even keeled people, but that is flat out embarrassing. 

    One is clearly not intentional, while the other is not only intentional, it's diabolical in some fashion.

    I wonder if they realize how stupid that sounds.

    What are people smoking here?

    I sometimes wonder if they have forgotten what Vick was involved in.  And the comment "he served his time", drives me nuts.

    He had his time reduced because of money and who he is with people able to still make money off him when he gets out.

    Did OJ Simpson "do his time", too?  When he gets out will people say "he did his time", let him roam the sidelines in his leather gloves with sideline updates for NBC?

    This is not: "Hi, I made a mistake."

    This is:  "Hi, I have a really creepy soul and had this addiction to torturing dogs in my spare time. If I hadn't of gotten caught, I'd still be making million off my faux QBing skills and killing dogs with my homies."

    The latter is bordering on sociopath for crying out loud.  Jeffrey Dahmer tortured animals for fun too.
     
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    What?

    You compared people eating food and killing animals to torturing dogs for entertainment purposes.

    I asked you how it was the same thing.


     
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    I live among (surrounded by, literally) the Amish.  They pen dogs up and breed them till dead.  The pens are raised, with chain link floors, so the dogs get an area about 2.5 feet wide by 5 feet long to live their lives in.  They have to walk on the chain link, because its easier than cleaning the cages to have it there and let the fecal matter fall to the ground where you can shovel it up.  Tell them they are being cruel, they will hear none of it.  They believe animals are lesser beings.  They believe they have dominion over them.  Different people believe different things.  I'm WAY WAY more concerned about Ben trapping women than Vick.  I don't like what he did, but he went to jail, and now sees the error of his ways.  He didn't grow up in a world that valued animals, get it.
     
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    Now you are going with the "you think you are the commish" approach to back away from this?

    Please stop.  You and Kool Aid Contrarian boy are making fools of yourself.

    This is about money.  Vick is allowed back in and Rapelisturd has tea with Goodell and gets his sentence reduced.

    Wake up.


     
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    Michael Vick is a very talented football player, but let's not make this a comeback story. John Lester coming back from cancer, Teddi Bruschi playing again, after suffering from a stroke, now those are the guys that inspire people and our great stories.

     
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    Fact is, I've never committed a felony or a misdemeanor in my life. I'm sure more people on these boards haven't as well. Wonder why we didn't? We grew up in the same country, teaching the same values, teaching the same morals, as Michael Vick yet he deserves a second chance because he didn't understand the rules? 

    And to all you people who justify second chances, what would you think of letting Sexual Predators teach your children. Aren't they people too? Don't they deserve second chances? How about the sexual predator be your child's pediatrician. They deserve second chances, right?

    the above words are from 4ADAM. i will take some time with finality address certain loose ends from this thread and move on.  dude, i am glad you are perfect and came from a more perfect home and upbringing than many of your fellow power minority citizens.. the uniqueness of this country is that people get second chances from most things, despite what you may desire. the pedo will not and should not be able to practice with kids so again, u r way out of line. this is about the LAW and those in charge of instating them. roger goodell is no shrinking violet and has the FACTS and yet he is impressed with what vick has done. yep, one DUI and one should never drive again. eye for an eye. one of anything and thats it... u kidding me? let he who is without sin cast the first stone.. do you remember that biblical verse? u come across like these loudmouth, pious anti-gay political types who protest way too much, only to be discovered gayinnng it up in private, having 3somes and so on. 

    guess what it really comes down to is that for most people, as personally despicable as it may be, harming a non-human is rightfully not equated to doing the same to an actual human... PETA be damned! if vick was a regular joe schmo, no way he gets that jail sentence... period! he has paid the BIGGEST price of any professional athlete in the history of the planet for a crime at that level or for a non-murdering offense. lost over 100 mil, went to prison, bankruptcy.. yep, lets add on that he never can play a sport that has absolutely nothing to do directly with his crime... are you people serious? enough is really enough!

    comparing him to ray lewis is illogical for vick was not accused of being complicit in the murder of another HUMAN! got it? dogs are LESSER, although they are one of god's creatures, if one wants to put a sacred spin on it. common sensical people clearly rank other beings everyday from all over the world, based on the dietary and scapegoating choices we make everyday. many eat rats, do you? some eat cats and dogs, do you? also, even with a conviction, ray lewis in his prime WOULD have been given a second chance had he shown remorse and committed as vick did to new course of life. the only exception would have been OJ had he been found guilty in the first trial. OJ would have been given a rightful second chance after the FIRST trial for he was found INNOCENT in the court of law. if he was in his prime, i and i am certain a belichick if he needed those skills, would have SIGNED him. dont kid yourself and get off the high horse! 

    lastly, comparing vick's childhood morals to yours is illogical. you should compare it to those in his immediate circle. in same way those who are emotionally attached to the confederate flag (but aren't necessarily racist) often do so because that is a major part of their familial and geographic heritage, like hitler's kids for instance connecting non-judgmentally to his personal legacy, a vick like many from his poor south (blak and white) also do so because of their environment. not all, but statistically enough to form a NORM group. like it or not, morality is largely expedient and RELATIVE. cannibalism is perfectly normal and even moral in a cannibalistic country and environment despite how you or i may rile against it. heck it may even be legal in some places in some instances. vick doing what he did is extreme for his status in overall society (where he should have made a strategic calculation that includes those of your ilk) but is perfectly logical when viewed within the myopia of his immediate background. is what it is. not condoning it, just stating facts my friend.

    paob and seattle pat have it right, hope more of you could grasp their overall tone. 44, i now do not believe you are fundamentally a racist or that you were even consciously being racial in your vick lynching attitude. again, as a product of YOUR environment and upbringing, i unfortunately would expect nothing less in terms of genuine empathy and social sensitivity in connecting the dots from others' perspective. yep, irish slavery is on the same par as american black slavery? u kidding me? blacks also owned slaves at one point all over the world and also in early colonial America when the irish and other whites were sometimes a part of the slave population and ALL were able to enjoy an eventual path to FREEDOMSHIP. so what? that form of slavery clearly got trumped by the early 17th century in favor of an extreme, most brutal form that clearly did not involve your or my people in any major way as the actual slaves. that was limited almost exclusively by LAW and norms to BLACKS and sometimes native americans... got it? do not bring your weak koolaid to this vodka party! 

    had you hung with any non-whites on a close collective level, no way you would have the default insensitivity to race as you clearly do. doesnt make you a bad guy for you still speak and write for the majority of whites i know and that exist on both the left and right in this country. again, you are a product of your environment and i have learned a lot from our dialogue. because i have been close with some jews for instance, it would instinctively get me NOT to write that david stern or a jewish athlete, banker or whoever it may be, should be gassed or put in a gas chamber... got it? call it sensitivity consciousness! i'm done... GO PATS!
     
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    He should be shot and left for dead. Actually, hanging him from a tree like he did to the dogs is just punishment.

    Second chances......ask that to all the victims of criminals who recommit crimes considering recidivisim is pretty high.
     
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    Valtrex
     
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    all this issue about killing dogs being horrible and he should never be given a second chance is bs. it's illegal so he did time for it per the penal code. that's it.

    if you are judging him because you think what he did is wrong from a values perspective, then you're wrong. dogs get eaten in other cultures.

    on the flipside, if that's wrong then hunting should be wrong too. what's the difference between killing dogs and shooting animals for fun (hunting)? why is it wrong to kill dogs and not wrong to kill deer or duck or bear or even a lion for the thrill of it?
     
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    And to all you people who justify second chances, what would you think of letting Sexual Predators teach your children. Aren't they people too? Don't they deserve second chances? How about the sexual predator be your child's pediatrician. They deserve second chances, right?

    And to those that justify dog fighting and TORTURE cause it happens in other countries, so doesn't incest. So doesn't rape. Does that make it right? This is America. If you don't like our way of life, GET THE HELL OUT.

    And don't hand me the "you can't compare sexual offenses with dog fighting" routine either. Some of you have been making the excuse that he paid his price and deserves a second chance. Ok, so lets let the sexual offender work in day care where your child gets individual attention from him or her.

    You'd change your attitude in a minute and you know it. Hypocrits.

    Fact is, I've never committed a felony or a misdemeanor in my life. I'm sure more people on these boards haven't as well. Wonder why we didn't? We grew up in the same country, teaching the same values, teaching the same morals, as Michael Vick yet he deserves a second chance because he didn't understand the rules?

    It's not a race issue. It's a right and wrong issue.

    Freaking tools.
     
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    Redeem himself??!?!?! HOW has he redeemed himself? By playing good football?? Just few months back he was involved in a shooting at his Birthday party ( kind'a old for a Bday party, an adu8lt mature man having a Bday party, wait, did I say Mature?). And for all the Vick supporters, Yes I know the authorities have said he wasn't "involved" but we all know better. THREE minutes after having cake shoved in his face, chatting with his brother Marcus and THEN after Mike was gone for a total of THREE minutes, the cake in the face smasher was shot ( also the one who rolloed on Mike).
    Redeemed? Sure, he hasn't done anything illegal this week (yet) AND he played a great game!!
     
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    Vick did the crime and did the time!  That's what happens in America.  He served his time and deserves a chance for redemption.

    What he did was horrible.  The law determine how horrible it was and assessed a sentence based on that.  Fact is if he was not Michael Vick there would not have been so  much hoopla over it. 

    As far as his skills as a quarterback, he always had a great arm and exceptional athleticism.  Now he is able to better read defenses and exploit them.

    Right now he is playing as well as any quarterback in the NFL including my favorite quarterback Tom Brady.

    dboss

     
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    Exactly. A swift backpedal by SeattlePat.

    I am just trying to figure out why people jump through hoops to praise Vick. He's a phony and an idiot.


     
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