"Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2

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    "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2

    I feel like a broken record that repeats itself again and again at the end of each heartbreaking playoff loss...  We need a return to toughness and a smash mouth running game.

    The reasons why we have become a finesse team are no longer acceptable now that we've proven beyond all doubt that it doesn't work. The we "did it because of personnel" excuse doesn't fly and is BS, we dusted off those old running plays in 2008 when Brady got hurt and Matt Cassel had to step in. If his learning curve wasn't so steep we would have made the playoffs and possibly made some noise, as it was we were 11-5 mainly because we ranked 4th in the entire NFL in rushing attempts.  

    We have the best play action QB in the game and we've taken out the true threat of play action by becoming one dimensional on offense.


     
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    Pats have followed the path of the Colts, no defense and put it all on the QB. Only there's no Harrison or Wayne for Brady to throw to, basically just Welker and this year, Gronk and that's it. Won't win like that when it matters most. Giants D too fast on the ends.
     
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    In Response to "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]I feel like a broken record that repeats itself again and again at the end of each heartbreaking playoff loss...  We need a return to toughness and a smash mouth running game. The reasons why we have become a finesse team are no longer acceptable now that we've proven beyond all doubt that it doesn't work. The we "did it because of personnel" excuse doesn't fly and is BS, we dusted off those old running plays in 2008 when Brady got hurt and Matt Cassel had to step in. If his learning curve wasn't so steep we would have made the playoffs and possibly made some noise, as it was we were 11-5 mainly because we ranked 4th in the entire NFL in rushing attempts.   We have the best play action QB in the game and we've taken out the true threat of play action by becoming one dimensional on offense.
    Posted by wozzy[/QUOTE]

    There are more people who agree with you than you think. This has been going on for a while though, so, why haven't we been able to get back to that recipe of success?
     
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    Finesse teams make and win the Super Bowl. Packers and Saints were both finesse teams. '07 and '11 Patriots were finesse teams. Sure we lost both years, but only one or two plays in both Super Bowls separated a win from a loss so maybe instead of changing our whole philosophy, we just need to make that game-winning play next time.

    Baltimore is a smashmouth team. They haven't made the Super Bowl in a decade. Plus, all these new rules really handicap smashmouth teams.

    I agree we need more from the running game. Maybe Ridley and Vereen can contribute to that next season. But I still think our Hall of Fame QB should be the centerpiece of our offense.
     
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    Some say "Spygate" Pats 3-0 in Super Bowl, "Non Spygate" Pats 0-2.

     
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    BH... may have something to do with the draft and free agents.  These last few years the Pats haven't hit on D players in the draft like those early years.  What has hurt them is the defensive secondary as being soft.  Team needs some Rodney Harrison types again!
     
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    41 passes to 19 runs....
     
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    You could be right. There is something about this offense that tends to buckle under pressure now including some pretty questionable play from Brady at key times. Josh McDaniels next year.... What are the odds that any of the offensive philosophy changes?
     
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    Use both #1 picks on elite defensive studs, there's a couple guys from Alabama and LSU that would look great here. Take a big wide out with great hands in round 2, hell, take 2 big wide outs with nice hands. Maybe take a running back if possible but I think Ridley could be good if given a shot.

    Cut the dead weight. If you can cut a man the night  before the  biggest game of his life than you can cut anyone on your roster not named Brady.
     
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    So what if Welker caught that pass on Sunday, and we came home with the Lombardi trophy?

    Would we still be having this discussion?
     
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    In Response to Re: "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]Pats have followed the path of the Colts, no defense and put it all on the QB. Only there's no Harrison or Wayne for Brady to throw to, basically just Welker and this year, Gronk and that's it. Won't win like that when it matters most. Giants D too fast on the ends.
    Posted by SoxNPats76[/QUOTE]
    You may not know this but part of the colts postseason problems in the first half of the last decade have to do with Marvin Harrison coming up very small in the playoffs.  In his entire postseason career, he averaged 4 catches and 55 yds per game, and over 16 playoff games he scored only 2 TD's. 
     
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    The reality is most other teams make the playoffs every year and usually win the Super Bowl too. 
     
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    What strikes me as odd is how the media totally underated the Giants defense in 2007 (and thus overated the Pats offense) and how the D kept getting maligned all year, but played way above its potential in the post-season.

     
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    In Response to Re: "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]Spygate Pats 3-0 superbowls Non Spygate Pats 0-4 in superbowls
    Posted by LUCICmilan17[/QUOTE]

    This punk seems to be throwing his internet tough guy act into all of the threads. Especially funny is his Bruins fandom. I doubt anyone with nuts so tiny that he has to do this to feel big plays hockey. This little boy hasn't the guts to lace skates and go in a corner after a loose puck
     
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    In Response to Re: "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]The reality is most other teams make the playoffs every year and usually win the Super Bowl too. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]
    Yep, every team that plays in the SB wins it!  No one loses.  It is absolutely HORRIBLE the Pats have even LOST a SB!!  Why go to the SB if you can't win it!  Let's end the suffering for all Pats fans and ask the team to be like the Browns or any other team that does not put their fans through the ringer of having to play in the playoffs.  We'll all have fingernails again!!!  Laughing
     
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    In Response to Re: "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]Some say "Spygate" Pats 3-0 in Super Bowl, "Non Spygate" Pats 0-2.
    Posted by wasecl[/QUOTE]

    Nothing to see here folks, just move on.  It's only a parrot in a cage.
     
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    [QUOTE]You could be right. There is something about this offense that tends to buckle under pressure now including some pretty questionable play from Brady at key times. Josh McDaniels next year.... What are the odds that any of the offensive philosophy changes?
    Posted by Rerun85[/QUOTE]
    about the same odds as an ice cube surviving in hell....
     
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    In Response to Re: "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]What strikes me as odd is how the media totally underated the Giants defense in 2007 (and thus overated the Pats offense) and how the D kept getting maligned all year, but played way above its potential in the post-season.
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz[/QUOTE]
    Given the D personnel, BB did an outstanding job - but, like you said - we basically needed a D that could get off the field in a low scoring game or to win a low scoring game when our offense sputters.

    After the regular season win against the Giants in 2007, I was actually very wary about the SB game vs. the giants in 2007; especially when there were small signs here and there that the offense was starting to sputter against some decent defensive teams.
     
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    [QUOTE]BH... may have something to do with the draft and free agents.  These last few years the Pats haven't hit on D players in the draft like those early years.  What has hurt them is the defensive secondary as being soft.  Team needs some Rodney Harrison types again!
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

    but that's my point. Granted, we're gonna miss some players because we draft 25th or later each year - but it just seems like we've been whiffing more often than not when it comes to CBs, S, DE, OLB.
     
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    Is TB becoming a victim of his own success by any chance in that whilst he can go out n sling it with the best of them you also have to account for the D and you simply can't win the superbowl with that kind of throw on every down mentality furthermore is it that he's been able to win playing like Peyton(other than the big game) and therefore if we went back to more running it would cut down his stats and whether he cares about these or not it would lead to questions about his decline which would be an overall distraction to the team as well as this it could be almost seen as a waste of talent with the pass catchers the team has if they don't use them enough. Just some thoughts really......7 months is such a long time!
     
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    They were 1 play away from winning. If welker catches the pass Brady is MVP and Pats grab their 4th title - don't over analyze it.
     
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    The problem for the patriots they were winning titles when they were breaking nfl rules and cheating. My susgestion to help the pats is to come up with something besides tampering with the visiting teams head sets in foxborough because the ravens are on to it and I am sure the nfl won;t take kindly to dealing with a team that they already fined almost a million bucks and took away a first round pick for cheating already.
     
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    Charlie Weiss... It would be a different offense with Weiss still here or having an OC with his offensive scheme. Run the ball more, reel in Brady a little, and they win the SB.  


     
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    In Response to Re: "Smashmouth" Pat's 3-0 in Super Bowl, "finesse" Pat's 0-2:
    [QUOTE]The reality is most other teams make the playoffs every year and usually win the Super Bowl too. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    Prolate, that is such a terrible response to this thread. We are not "other teams" We are The Patriots. If we were not the Patriots we probably wouldn't have to worry about this discussion.

    Yes the Pats are the best organization in football, but there is a reason we can't get over the hump since 04. That reason is the coaching staffs over reliance on Tom Brady to win the game. This guy was 16 of 16 in a Super Bowl and we still only put up 17 points.

    Give Law Firm 20 carries and we maintain T.O.P and win the f-ing SB, and probably get the 1st downs we couldn't in the 4rth qtr when we left Brady out to dry with his re-aggravated left shoulder injury.

    20-23 before the Tuck sack.

    7-18 after, maybe we should have run the Law Firm WITH A FRIGGING LEAD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    I am sick.
     
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