10 years of playoff losses - have Pats become Colts??

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    Brady has turned into Gomer lately in AFC title games, which the stats show

     



    No freaking QB in the history of the game could/can do what TFB has done/is doing over the years with the teams BB has put on the field.... and that is a big freaking fact, Jack! BB has failed by not providing enough talent on both sides of the ball at the same time and that's the biggest failure and knock on BB.  Fact!

     

    Look at the greatest teams over the years and they had talent on both sides of the ball. 

     

     



    You're out of your mind.   He loaded up in 2007 and Brady choked. In 2011, Brady was brutal in the 4th qtr which choked the game away.

    I just watched the Chargers beat Gomer tonight the way I wish Brady had understood in those games.

    Ugh.  When you toss picks or suck in general, it hurts the team. 




    Both games with the lead even with Brady on the bench for 2/3rds the game, until the DEFENSIVE MELTDOWN!  Fact

     
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    somebody once said," It's hard to win in this league".  I agree with that. Enjoy the ride people.

     
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    Good posts Pezz!!

     
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    Brady has turned into Gomer lately in AFC title games, which the stats show

     



    No freaking QB in the history of the game could/can do what TFB has done/is doing over the years with the teams BB has put on the field.... and that is a big freaking fact, Jack! BB has failed by not providing enough talent on both sides of the ball at the same time and that's the biggest failure and knock on BB.  Fact!

     

    Look at the greatest teams over the years and they had talent on both sides of the ball. 

     

     



    This is the grossest misconception ever spewed on this board. We scored 35 points a game in the regular season both years we lost the superbowl but scored 14 points and 17 points in those super bowls. We had players like Randy Moss, Wes Welker, dante stalworth, Gronkowski,  Hernandez, but weren't talented enough to score more when it counted most? Somebody failed, but it wasn't the guy building those 17-0 and 12-4 rosters. Pfffffffft

    To your second point I would say the Ravens had talent on both sides of the ball(but not much on offense as we see this year) but the Giants, Packers, Saints, Steelers, and Colts all had a deficiency on 1 side of the ball imo.

    Oh and I guess all the teams that lost superbowls had GM's who failed them because they didn't have enough talent to actually win the game.,., just enough to get there, but not win?? sounds like a load.

     
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:

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    Brady has turned into Gomer lately in AFC title games, which the stats show

     



    No freaking QB in the history of the game could/can do what TFB has done/is doing over the years with the teams BB has put on the field.... and that is a big freaking fact, Jack! BB has failed by not providing enough talent on both sides of the ball at the same time and that's the biggest failure and knock on BB.  Fact!

     

    Look at the greatest teams over the years and they had talent on both sides of the ball. 

     

     



    This is the grossest misconception ever spewed on this board. We scored 35 points a game in the regular season both years we lost the superbowl but scored 14 points and 17 points in those super bowls. We had players like Randy Moss, Wes Welker, dante stalworth, Gronkowski,  Hernandez, but weren't talented enough to score more when it counted most? Somebody failed, but it wasn't the guy building those 17-0 and 12-4 rosters. Pfffffffft

    To your second point I would say the Ravens had talent on both sides of the ball(but not much on offense as we see this year) but the Giants, Packers, Saints, Steelers, and Colts all had a deficiency on 1 side of the ball imo.

    Oh and I guess all the teams that lost superbowls had GM's who failed them because they didn't have enough talent to actually win the game.,., just enough to get there, but not win?? sounds like a load.

     

    2007 Super Bowl

    On the final drive, the Pats allowed the Giants to convert on two, critical third downs. And they got beat on two plays when it mattered most. TWO PLAYS! The 3rd-and-5 play (in which Manning slipped through their hands) resulted in a 32-yard completion, and the touchdown to Burress in single coverage against Hobbs.

    The 3rd-and-5 and a 3rd-and-11 from inside the 30 were the two killers. Coaches make calls to put players in positions to succeed, which happened, and it resulted in the Giants being at a disadvantage on third downs along the drive. Yet the Pats played soft in the secondary on those third downs, allowing the Giants to convert.

     

    Watching it all unfold was truly perplexing. 
     
    The 3rd-and-5 was a broken play, therefore it was understandable. But the 3rd-and-11? How does a defense so disciplined in their assignments, and with such a nose for the ball, give that up? Not to mention the 4th-and-1 early in the drive. It’s like a bad nightmare that got worse.

    Oh, and Asante Samuel could have ended it by doing what he is paid to do: hold on to the ball. You go all the way to 18-0 on the back of these guys, and when the team needs them most, some of them ain’t playmakers. The rookie Meriweather was exposed HARD on that final drive.

     
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    Watching it all unfold was truly perplexing. 
     
    The 3rd-and-5 was a broken play, therefore it was understandable. But the 3rd-and-11? How does a defense so disciplined in their assignments, and with such a nose for the ball, give that up? Not to mention the 4th-and-1 early in the drive. It’s like a bad nightmare that got worse.

    Oh, and Asante Samuel could have ended it by doing what he is paid to do: hold on to the ball. You go all the way to 18-0 on the back of these guys, and when the team needs them most, some of them ain’t playmakers. The rookie Meriweather was exposed HARD on that final drive.

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    It's called offensive line holding which was never called but should have been. Manning would have been sacked long before he got the pass off to Tyree if it wasn't for that.

     
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    Im a troll LOL - another one I was going to Pats games 20 years before you were born.....Pats are the Colts....



    They were the last handful of years since 2007, but I don't think that is the case anymore.

    Be prepared.

    I noticed you picked Houston to beat us TWICE, which is why I confronted you last year. I even offered wagers which you wussied down from.  

    That means you didn't know why our team matched up very well vs them on both sides of the ball. In turn, that means you don't know much about football, so I don't care when you were going to games. It means I am more knowledgeable than yourself.



    OK then lets take this bet - if Pats choke again playoffs we dont see you here next year, if Pats win SB as you insist they arent the choking Colts, then I wont be here next year....hows that??

     



    So if you don't win the Super Bowl every year you choke?



    10 years in playoffs, many as the favorite to win it all, and you dont win, its a choke to me. Listening to FAN out of NY after Pats beat Denver, was the the comment that Pats always win UNTIL the playoffs.....



    No doubt they haven't won a SB in 10 years but just out of curiosity how many teams in the NFL in that same  time frame have been to 4 AFCCG's and 2 SB's. You make it sound like they have gone 1 and out 8 out of the last 12 times.

     
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    Can't be the Colts....they are in Indiana...besides we are 2 rings up on em!

     
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    Every team loses in the playoffs when they are fortunate enough to get there. We have been extremely fortunate. Some of our fans don't deserve this team. Mighty, where are you?

     
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    Either our fans are spoiled or entitled or just don't understand how difficult it is to win in the NFL. Peyton Manning is arguably the greatest QB in the NFL (not in my opinion) and has been to only 2 SB's and has difficulty getting out of the 1st round annually. Teams that have won SB's since the pat's in 2004 don't even make the playoffs consistently.  As a fan and season ticket holder I hope for a SB victory every year but realistically I understand how the league works and how difficult it is to win in the regular season never mind the playoffs.

    Do I think the pat's could have and should have won a Sb since 2004? Absolutely! The bottom line is sometimes the bounces and great plays happen against a team and there is nothing you can do about it.

    There is a faction here that beleive the issues for not winning another SB resides with BB and a faction that feels the issue is Brady. I think both factions are wrong just my opinion. IMHO without both together I don't think we are talking any SB's.

     

     
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    We as Pats fans used to bask in Mannings Colts choking every year in Playoffs....Its been going on 10 years since last Championship, looks like Pats are now in the same boat.....



    I remember you last year. You said Houston would beat us and were very confident as a troll.

    You lost when I told you the Houston Texans don't match up well and then were bludgeoned.  I even offered you a wager and you refused.

    Brady has turned into Gomer lately in AFC title games, which the stats show, but he ca change that. Philip Rivers proved how tonight.   It's not"going on" 10 years, either. Brady has not had a Lombardi in 7 postseasons he's played in. 7 is not 10.

    Only he can fix it, but Brady can play like Rivers did tonight.   But, bandwagoner, this team is clearly more resilient and tougher mentally than any Colts team of the past. It ain't close.

     




    Defense responsible for every play-off loss since 2006.



    you are literally clueless.

     
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    This threads almost as bad as that other one where comrade Prolate rambles on about how much he loves socialism. 



    I clicked on it to see if it was one of Phat's pieces of crap.

     
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    Brady was the better QB in the 2007 SB - But that is also the game that started the current Brady streak of 1 good game followed by a bad playoff game. In the head to head playoff games against Flacco, Brady has never been the better QB...



    When comparing Flacco and Brady in playoff games, you just can't look at stats. For a valid comparison, one has to take into account the defenses each QB had to face. The Ravens D was far superior to the PATS D in both '09 and last year. And conversely, if TB faced the PATS D with no pass rush, he would always put up atleast 45 points a game.

     
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    This is the grossest misconception ever spewed on this board. We scored 35 points a game in the regular season both years we lost the superbowl but scored 14 points and 17 points in those super bowls. We had players like Randy Moss, Wes Welker, dante stalworth, Gronkowski,  Hernandez, but weren't talented enough to score more when it counted most? Somebody failed, but it wasn't the guy building those 17-0 and 12-4 rosters. Pfffffffft

    To your second point I would say the Ravens had talent on both sides of the ball(but not much on offense as we see this year) but the Giants, Packers, Saints, Steelers, and Colts all had a deficiency on 1 side of the ball imo.

    Oh and I guess all the teams that lost superbowls had GM's who failed them because they didn't have enough talent to actually win the game.,., just enough to get there, but not win?? sounds like a load.



    Actually it's fairly close. You forgot to take into account the amount of possessions when they were scoring 35 vs the amount when they scored in the SB. True they weren't going to score 35 if they had a normal amount of possessions comparatively but they would have been in the mid to upper 20's. One of the reasons they lack possessions is the Giants completely controlled ToP with long drawn out drives that kept the D on the field and kept Brady off of it. It was a brilliant game plan and it worked.

     
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    Great debate on the QB vs. Defense and blame for losses.  So here's the question:

    How do you define what a good defensive performance is? 

    How do you define what a good offensive performance is? 

    Before the question of who is responsible can be figured out, some definitions need to be set.  Is it points?  Is it turnovers?  Is it only about making the plays on the final drives if the team is in the game?

    We need some definition before we can move forward. 

     
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    Great debate on the QB vs. Defense and blame for losses.  So here's the question:

    How do you define what a good defensive performance is? 

    How do you define what a good offensive performance is? 

    Before the question of who is responsible can be figured out, some definitions need to be set.  Is it points?  Is it turnovers?  Is it only about making the plays on the final drives if the team is in the game?

    We need some definition before we can move forward. 



    Your the expert on that - all the excuse years of Jughead and Dungheaps chokes in playoffs....

     
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    This threads almost as bad as that other one where comrade Prolate rambles on about how much he loves socialism. 



    Yeah, but of the two of us, you're the one that lives off a government job.

     
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    This threads almost as bad as that other one where comrade Prolate rambles on about how much he loves socialism. 



    Yeah, but of the two of us, you're the one that lives off a government job.



    Ah yes, the one government program the left hates.  I should be collecting my money through saintly welfare programs, not doing actual work.  But, I digress. This threads about how the Patriots are stinky poopy faces because they won't win super bowls... Except for the ones they won.

     
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    Can you name me a team or QB who is thought of as a perennial loser who has 2 or more SB wins?  

    I submit that you cannot because you can't unring that bell.  How long did the steelers go without a SB?  Giants?  Ravens?  49ers?  And it's been 8 years.

     
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    what a troll thread. Disappointed in you ccsil

     
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    We as Pats fans used to bask in Mannings Colts choking every year in Playoffs....Its been going on 10 years since last Championship, looks like Pats are now in the same boat.....



    I remember you last year. You said Houston would beat us and were very confident as a troll.

    You lost when I told you the Houston Texans don't match up well and then were bludgeoned.  I even offered you a wager and you refused.

    Brady has turned into Gomer lately in AFC title games, which the stats show, but he ca change that. Philip Rivers proved how tonight.   It's not"going on" 10 years, either. Brady has not had a Lombardi in 7 postseasons he's played in. 7 is not 10.

    Only he can fix it, but Brady can play like Rivers did tonight.   But, bandwagoner, this team is clearly more resilient and tougher mentally than any Colts team of the past. It ain't close.

     




    Defense responsible for every play-off loss since 2006.




    That must be why in the 2 SBs lost the defense held the Giants to under their scoring aberage while the offense under performed.

     
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    Great debate on the QB vs. Defense and blame for losses.  So here's the question:

    How do you define what a good defensive performance is? 

    How do you define what a good offensive performance is? 

    Before the question of who is responsible can be figured out, some definitions need to be set.  Is it points?  Is it turnovers?  Is it only about making the plays on the final drives if the team is in the game?

    We need some definition before we can move forward. 



    lmao. Great offensive performance when the team scores more points than opponent. Great defensive performance when the team gives up fewer point than opponent.
    Laughing




    Great analysis. You have the intelligence of a post lobotomy patient

     
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    Great debate on the QB vs. Defense and blame for losses.  So here's the question:

    How do you define what a good defensive performance is? 

    How do you define what a good offensive performance is? 

    Before the question of who is responsible can be figured out, some definitions need to be set.  Is it points?  Is it turnovers?  Is it only about making the plays on the final drives if the team is in the game?

    We need some definition before we can move forward. 



    Points

     
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    Im a troll LOL - another one I was going to Pats games 20 years before you were born.....Pats are the Colts....

     



    They were the last handful of years since 2007, but I don't think that is the case anymore.

     

    Be prepared.

    I noticed you picked Houston to beat us TWICE, which is why I confronted you last year. I even offered wagers which you wussied down from.  

    That means you didn't know why our team matched up very well vs them on both sides of the ball. In turn, that means you don't know much about football, so I don't care when you were going to games. It means I am more knowledgeable than yourself.



    OK then lets take this bet - if Pats choke again playoffs we dont see you here next year, if Pats win SB as you insist they arent the choking Colts, then I wont be here next year....hows that??

     



    So if you don't win the Super Bowl every year you choke?



    10 years in playoffs, many as the favorite to win it all, and you dont win, its a choke to me. Listening to FAN out of NY after Pats beat Denver, was the the comment that Pats always win UNTIL the playoffs.....



    No doubt they haven't won a SB in 10 years but just out of curiosity how many teams in the NFL in that same  time frame have been to 4 AFCCG's and 2 SB's. You make it sound like they have gone 1 and out 8 out of the last 12 times.




    This is the kind of whining you can expect from the 'fans' who jumped on the bandwagon after the first SB win

     
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    Every team loses in the playoffs when they are fortunate enough to get there. We have been extremely fortunate. Some of our fans don't deserve this team. Mighty, where are you?



    He's been a bit busy stabbing our Soldiers in the back.

    Meanwhile I'll pray for this Soldiers family.

    The only thing "mighty" about mighty is that he is a mighty big pile of dung.

     

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/12/12/marine-from-fairhaven-killed-combat-afghanistan-wednesday-pentagon-says/ForHna0NbJzuieUHiG1DXM/story.html

     
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