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    233 Dexter Davis OLB/ILB 6'2" 252 One of the most accomplished defensive players in Arizona State history.  Can play inside or outside, adds depth at LB and a solid special team guy

    This is interesting , I know he was Arizona .. not ASU, but how does this kid stack up against Bruschi, a DE in college?
     
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    I heard one of the draft gurus say this about Golden Tate  " he makes a lot of  the difficult catches  in traffic. That means he doesn't make seperation. That is against college DBs ( albeit NDs schedule Navy, Nevada, wash State, Uconn).. what does that translate to the pros. "
    I d rather give Brandon Tate his shot and fill other holes
     
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    Okay, here's my first pass with all our new found picks.  A bit of a surprise at the top.  Probably too many picks to make the team.  May want to trade some. #28 (from SD) CB Devin McCourty (SD moves up to get Mathews) #44 RB Jahvid Best #47 OLB Ricky Sapp #53 TE Aaron Hernandez #92 (from SD) MLB Brandon Spikes #119 WR Andre Roberts #190 OT Tony Washington #205 QB/WR Joe Webb #229 WR Danario Alexander #231 OG Shelley Smith #247 TE Scott Sicko #248 DE George Johnson #250 DT Brandon Deaderick
    Posted by Faucetman


    Very strong draft.  This trade suggestion was also brought up by yours truly and a number of other posters-I love it.  I do not however like the McCourty pick, we have Bodden and I think we should give Butler a chance first.  I would rather us take Jerry Hughes here and take Alualu at #47.  Also, you know very well I'd like my man Gerhart over Best at #44.  
     
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    I go back and forth on Tate. Sometimes I think he'll just get better in the pros and become a Reggie Wayne type (he doesn't blow anyone away with measurables but he's extremely productive) or a Josh Reed type (great college production but not great pro upside). It's a tough call because receivers are tough to evaluate, and in the end I think the Pats should stay away because they've had trouble evaluating wideouts. Maybe use a late second on a WR? 

    I agree 100% with Seanblaze on Graham. I personally want a guy who will get into the backfield and put a hurting on QB's, and Graham seems like the best guy in the draft for that based on his career and his Senior bowl performance. I also think he's sturdy enough to hold up at the end of the line. I doubt the Pats will take him because he makes too much sense and he's a bit on the short side, but I'd be thrilled to have him at OLB. 


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    I heard one of the draft gurus say this about Golden Tate  " he makes a lot of  the difficult catches  in traffic. That means he doesn't make seperation. That is against college DBs ( albeit NDs schedule Navy, Nevada, wash State, Uconn).. what does that translate to the pros. " I d rather give Brandon Tate his shot and fill other holes
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    Using the SD trade I would draft the Top 4 rounds like this:

    #28 Jerry Hughes
    #44 Tyson Alualu
    #48 Toby Gerhart
    #53 Damian Williams
    #92 Dennis Pitta
    #119 Brandon Spikes

    @Faucetman has a great plan for Rounds 5-7, though I would rather us take Daniel Te'o Niesham instead of Joe Webb
     
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    Okay, here's my first pass with all our new found picks.  A bit of a surprise at the top.  Probably too many picks to make the team.  May want to trade some. #28 (from SD) CB Devin McCourty (SD moves up to get Mathews) #44 RB Jahvid Best #47 OLB Ricky Sapp #53 TE Aaron Hernandez #92 (from SD) MLB Brandon Spikes #119 WR Andre Roberts #190 OT Tony Washington #205 QB/WR Joe Webb #229 WR Danario Alexander #231 OG Shelley Smith #247 TE Scott Sicko #248 DE George Johnson #250 DT Brandon Deaderick
    Posted by Faucetman


    Where is Clifton Geathers in your mock?  He is my candidate for this year's Vollmer, a second round "over-reach" that turned into a steal.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Very strong draft.  This trade suggestion was also brought up by yours truly and a number of other posters-I love it.  I do not however like the McCourty pick, we have Bodden and I think we should give Butler a chance first.  I would rather us take Jerry Hughes here and take Alualu at #47.  Also, you know very well I'd like my man Gerhart over Best at #44.  
    Posted by titletownfan


    Thanks for the feedback.  I was trying to change things up a bit at the top.  I think Gerhart will go to the Chargers at 40 ahead of Best.

    I just watched Path to the Draft and the Pats were on the clock.  Mayock suggested we take Kindle or Demaryius Thomas.  Someone else said Odrick then Mayock agreed that we have a habit of taking 5 techniques in the first round with Seymour and Warren.  They talked about what a hard worker Odrick is and that he would seem to be a perfect fit.  I know we all have some reservations but if the Pats check him out and take him it's hard to argue with the need or the selection.  Ideally we'd do the SD trade and still get him at 28 ahead of the Jets.

    As for who suggested the SD trade first, I think I did right after they made that deal with Seattle.
     
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    Using the SD trade I would draft the Top 4 rounds like this: #28 Jerry Hughes #44 Tyson Alualu #48 Toby Gerhart #53 Damian Williams #92 Dennis Pitta #119 Brandon Spikes @Faucetman has a great plan for Rounds 5-7, though I would rather us take Daniel Te'o Niesham instead of Joe Webb
    Posted by titletownfan


    Can't argue with this.  You went right after biggest needs on defense first taking an edge rusher who I think in time can develop into a solid OLB followed by a stout DT to take RS's place.  I love Gerhart and Pitta and think Williams could be another Anquan Boldin so nicely done.

    Joe Webb is a QB from UAB.  At 6-3, 223 and a blistering 4.46 he worked out as a WR at his pro day and impressed scouts.  His 42 vertical matches Calvin Johnson.  We might find success again in late rounds converting a QB to WR as we did with Edelman except this time the guy is a beast.  Since Webb was a 2 year starter at QB he should be able to read defenses and adjust quickly as a WR.  Low risk, high reward. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Where is Clifton Geathers in your mock?  He is my candidate for this year's Vollmer, a second round "over-reach" that turned into a steal.
    Posted by TrustBill


    Nobody but me was hyping him so I didn't want to stay on the bus alone.  I still like him and think he could become a super star if we can wait 3 years.  I don't like him in the 2nd, but at #119 I'd take a flyer on him.
     
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    Okay, here's my first pass with all our new found picks.  A bit of a surprise at the top.  Probably too many picks to make the team.  May want to trade some. #28 (from SD) CB Devin McCourty (SD moves up to get Mathews) #44 RB Jahvid Best #47 OLB Ricky Sapp #53 TE Aaron Hernandez #92 (from SD) MLB Brandon Spikes #119 WR Andre Roberts #190 OT Tony Washington #205 QB/WR Joe Webb #229 WR Danario Alexander #231 OG Shelley Smith #247 TE Scott Sicko #248 DE George Johnson #250 DT Brandon Deaderick
    Posted by Faucetman

    Can I partially play along too and just add some other names to consider?

    #28 (from SD) CB Devin McCourty (SD moves up to get Mathews)

    Dunlap OR Odrick (IF determined he can play the 5, IF Baltimore does not take either first)

    The CB talk is really hot right now so you might be right with the CB selection.

    #44 RB Jahvid Best

    Same pick if he lasted that long


    #47 OLB Ricky Sapp

    OK same pick cause of all the Sapp talk regarding the Pats. Haven't even seen his film yet.

    #53 TE Aaron Hernandez

    Damian Williams (only cause we seem to use the WR much more, nothing against Hernandez)


    #92 (from SD) MLB Brandon Spikes

    Jimmy Graham OR Dennis Pitta

    #119 WR Andre Roberts

    AJ Edds OR Kyle Calloway OR Matt Tennant, (LIKE Roberts - don't think he lasts, if so yes)

    #190 OT Tony Washington

    Emmanuel Sanders OR Same pick OR Myron Rolle  

    #205 QB/WR Joe Webb

    Kory Peters OR Zoltan Mesko OR same pick

    #229 WR Danario Alexander

    Nolan Carrol OR Chris Marinelli

    #231 OG Shelley Smith

    Same Pick

    #247 TE Scott Sicko

    Jameson Konz

    #248 DE George Johnson

    Mike McLaughlin

    #250 DT Brandon Deaderick

    same Pick OR Armanti Edwards


     
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    I usually don't go in for predicting or mocking these draft day trades but can't resist.  I know from living out here in So Cal that the Chargers are in love with Ryan Mathews and they need a 34 NT.  If Mathews is there at 22, I can see them dealing their 3rd and landing one of the dozen or so NTs in the draft, Cody at 40 or Thomas, Joseph etc later on.

    Here goes.

    Trade 22 to SD for 28 and 91.  Then package 91 and 44 and move back up to 33.  STL has so many holes to fill that they might do it since talent galore is there at 91.

    #28 OLB Sergio Kindle
    #33 WR Golden Tate
    #47 RB Jahvid Best - Medical concerns drops him to us here 
    #53 TE Dennis Pitta
    #119 DT Clifton Geathers

    I'll stand on the rest of my picks.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Can I partially play along too and just add some other names to consider? #28 (from SD) CB Devin McCourty (SD moves up to get Mathews) Dunlap OR Odrick (IF determined he can play the 5, IF Baltimore does not take either first) The CB talk is really hot right now so you might be right with the CB selection. #44 RB Jahvid Best Same pick if he lasted that long #47 OLB Ricky Sapp OK same pick cause of all the Sapp talk regarding the Pats. Haven't even seen his film yet. #53 TE Aaron Hernandez Damian Williams (only cause we seem to use the WR much more, nothing against Hernandez) #92 (from SD) MLB Brandon Spikes Jimmy Graham OR Dennis Pitta #119 WR Andre Roberts AJ Edds OR Kyle Calloway OR Matt Tennant, (LIKE Roberts - don't think he lasts, if so yes) #190 OT Tony Washington Emmanuel Sanders OR Same pick OR Myron Rolle   #205 QB/WR Joe Webb Kory Peters OR Zoltan Mesko OR same pick #229 WR Danario Alexander Nolan Carrol OR Chris Marinelli #231 OG Shelley Smith Same Pick #247 TE Scott Sicko Jameson Konz #248 DE George Johnson Mike McLaughlin #250 DT Brandon Deaderick same Pick OR Armanti Edwards
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    we have a lot of reasons to watch the final day this year, count them 7 Reasons!!!  We will be making at least 4 selections even if we deal all the non comp picks.  We are bound to find at least 2 gems out of the 7.  If we strike gold on our first 4 picks and strike out at 119, that's still 6 picks from this class contributing.
     
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    Using the SD trade I would draft the Top 4 rounds like this: #28 Jerry Hughes #44 Tyson Alualu #48 Toby Gerhart #53 Damian Williams #92 Dennis Pitta #119 Brandon Spikes @Faucetman has a great plan for Rounds 5-7, though I would rather us take Daniel Te'o Niesham instead of Joe Webb
    Posted by titletownfan


    I would have no issue with any of that draft except the first pick. Not a fan of Hughes at OLB in a 3-4. You put him out there on an island and I don't like the chances that he doesn't get run over all day long. Don't really want to spend a #28 on a pass rush specialist even if he ended up being great at that.

    Just a humble opinion though.
     
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    I heard one of the draft gurus say this about Golden Tate  " he makes a lot of  the difficult catches  in traffic. That means he doesn't make seperation. That is against college DBs ( albeit NDs schedule Navy, Nevada, wash State, Uconn).. what does that translate to the pros. " I d rather give Brandon Tate his shot and fill other holes
    Posted by mgraham


    Whatever happened to Brandon Tate?.......For some reason i see Golden Tate more as a Flanker or a Reggie Bush type back catching balls in the flat....
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Whatever happened to Brandon Tate?.......For some reason i see Golden Tate more as a Flanker or a Reggie Bush type back catching balls in the flat....
    Posted by seanblaze


    Tate is more of a special teamer, return man.  He never did much as a WR at Chapel Hill.  I see him taking over for Aiken perhaps this year.  He could develop as a decent WR in the NFL but I wouldn't put too many eggs in his basket just yet.

    After operating primarily as a return specialist (albeit a very good one) in his first three years at Chapel Hill, Tate really climbed boards as a receiver at the start of the 2008 season with 16 catches for 376 yards and three touchdowns in his first six games. His exploits as a receiver coincided with his continued proficiency as a return specialist, setting the career record for total return yardage (3,523 yards).
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I would have no issue with any of that draft except the first pick. Not a fan of Hughes at OLB in a 3-4. You put him out there on an island and I don't like the chances that he doesn't get run over all day long. Don't really want to spend a #28 on a pass rush specialist even if he ended up being great at that. Just a humble opinion though.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    IQ, are you warming up to Kindle?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : IQ, are you warming up to Kindle?
    Posted by Faucetman


    Warming up? Confusing me with someone else?

    I have no issue with Kindle but I think you won't be able to make the SD trade and get him. I'm thinking you'll have to take him at #22.

    I would be happy with a kindle pick and even happier if at #28 and getting an additional pick.

    My issue with kindle is only with regards to Odrick and Dunlap being that ideal size to position match for the Pats that we all talk about. Will they ignore something they have seemed to hold out for?

    It will be interesting to see what they end up doing.

    I really think they will package some things and try to get the guys they want. They made so many picks last year and only so many spots on the roster and it's too early to pass judgement on many of the young guys so I am not sure how many picks they will actually use.
     
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    id like to see us draft hes a beast

    Micah Johnson LB Kentucky, hes a playmaker and a leader

     and hes a beast
    he could really help us out, especially for a mid-late round pick
     
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    I hope Tate isn't this years Crable. I know he didn't have great receiving numbers at UNC, but I do think the Pats drafted him to play WR and I think they are looking for him to make a contribution next year as a receiver. I don't know if it's a great idea, but when the owner is talking up Tate (like Kraft was on Monday when he was discussing the receiving corp) he must be impressing some people inside the organization. I still would draft assuming minimal contributions from Tate, though. 


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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Tate is more of a special teamer, return man.  He never did much as a WR at Chapel Hill.  I see him taking over for Aiken perhaps this year.  He could develop as a decent WR in the NFL but I wouldn't put too many eggs in his basket just yet. After operating primarily as a return specialist (albeit a very good one) in his first three years at Chapel Hill, Tate really climbed boards as a receiver at the start of the 2008 season with 16 catches for 376 yards and three touchdowns in his first six games. His exploits as a receiver coincided with his continued proficiency as a return specialist, setting the career record for total return yardage (3,523 yards).
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    I'm going to get alot of Nays for this draft, but here is what I would do if I were Belichick.

    Pick 22- Trade with KC for pick 36 & 50. 
    Pick 36 - Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State - 6'5, 285 lbs, run stopper.
    Pick 44 - Eric Norwood, OLB, S. Carolina - 6'2, 245 lbs, Pass-rusher, leader, Bruschi-like heart.
    Pick 47 - Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale - 6'8, 312 lbs, Vollmer clone.  
    Pick 50 - Ben Tate, RB, Auburn - 5'11, 220 lbs, Fits into what NE likes to do with their RBs. A mixture of Morris and Faulk.
    Pick 53 - Sean Lee, ILB, Penn State - 6'2, 236 lbs, Smart player, leader. 
    Pick 119 - Brain Jackson, CB, Oaklahoma - 6'1, 202 lbs, Ty Law type DB. 
    Pick 190 - Andrew Quarless, TE, Penn State - 6'5, 254 lbs, Alge Crumpler 2. Good speed, great blocker that only gets better with time, mediocre hands.
    Pick 205 - John Estes, OG/C, Hawaii - 6'2, 295 lbs, versatile, former fighter, smart, athletic, fits into the spread offensive line well. 
    Pick 229 - Chris Carter, WR, UC Davis - 6'0, 191 lbs, has the right name to be good at the WR position, Welker type receiver, throw him the ball and he'll get you the first.
    Pick 231 - Tim Knicky, OLB, F. Austin - 6'4, 247 lbs, to me, he's just a 3rd down rusher.
    Pick 247 - Trindon Holliday, KR/PR, LSU- 5'0, 166 lbs, I love what Tate might bring to the table, but I would rather keep him at WR. Everytime I saw Welker go out to field a punt my heart nearly stopped. It's time to draft a specialist.
    Pick 248 - Scott Long, WR, Loiusville - 6'2, 216 lbs, has great potential. He reminds me of a mixture of alot of receivers Brady loved passing to. 
    Pick 250 - Reid Neely, OG, Mississippi - 6'6, 310 lbs, Outstanding blocker, blocked for BJE in college, wants to hit people.

    BTW, can Odrick play DE? I thought he was a DT...
     
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    Spikes? He's slow! How many ILB do the patriots need? I thought the need was OLB, DE?
    PRO DAY RESULTS: Brandon Spikes ran 5.03 and 5.10, extremely slow times for an NFL linebacker.

    Ryan Mathews  would be a nice pick at Running back


    You'll notice that I don't have a receiver in my mock, as much as I love Golden Tate (ND), I think he may find his way into round 1 and I don't think BB would take him that high, though anything is possible.  He reminds me of Deion Branch in regards to size, speed and athleticism who knows how to get open and is a big play waiting to happen.  He also has a good understanding of the Charlie Weis offense and can provide additional value as a punt return man. With that being said, I believe they'll fill the 3rd receiver need through free agency and see how Brandon Tate develops. Below is my projection: 1st rd #22 (assigned)   Brandon Spikes           ILB      Florida             6-3 257             He’s a tough, aggressive and instinctive player with good size/speed (6-3 250 4.7) and decent coverage/ball skills (6 career INT’s returning 4 for TD) who appears to be a possible 3 down backer at the next level. He’s was the emotional defensive leader for Gators and the Patriots are in need of some defensive leadership.   The Urban Meyer connection also comes into play and BB loves SEC players.   He'd look great playing next to Mayo.   2nd rd #44 (from Titans)         Ryan Mathews             RB        Fresno State    5-11 220           Good size and speed, he can hammer the ball between the tackles or take it the distance.   He finished second in the nation with 1,808 yards to go along with 19 TD's while acting as one of the more consistent performers in the country (his only sub-100 game was one in which he got injured and only had 8 carries) and there is the Pat Hill connection to consider.   If Jonathan Dwyer slips to the bottom of the 1st or top of the second, he could be an option.     2nd rd   #47 (from Jags)          Kyle Calloway OT        Iowa     6-7 315             Matt Light's contract expires following the 2010 season.    Sunday's game against Baltimore proved yet again that his time has passed as they need to get younger and more athletic along the OL.   Vollmer should be moved over to LT and I think they should draft another quality OT to eventually fill the RT position.   Kyle Calloway is a big, tough and athletic tackle that could fill the need.   He's a durable player who's effective blocking or the run and pass and has no problem getting to the second level to take on LB's.   There's also the Kirk Ferentz connection to keep in mind.   Mike Johnson (OG/OT, 6-5 305 Alabama) is another option.   2nd rd #53 (assigned) Kyle Wilson      CB        Boise State       5-10 190           With the futures of Leigh Bodden (potential free agent), Jonathan Wilhite (does his best to ensure other teams complete as many passes as possible) and Terrence Wheatley (not yet able to get consistent burn) the team could use an influx of youth and talent at the CB position.  Wilson is a guy who shows excellent instincts and ball skills (11 career INT's, 2 TD's) with the speed, quickness and COD skills necessary to be left on an island in man or work his area in zone coverage.  He also shows some special teams potential with an 8.8 average on 90 career punt returns with 3 TD's and you know how Belichick loves players with versatility.   4th rd (assigned)          Jermaine Cunningham          OLB     Florida             6-3 252             Good athleticism, show's good speed and first step off the snap. He was a DE in Florida's scheme, but projects to more of a 3-4 OLB at the NFL level and has experience dropping into zone coverage, he's also been effective rushing the passer with 18 career sacks.   He's a tough player that has played through injury who plays to the whistle and was a two year captain for Florida.   He also has experience playing special teams which should be appealing to BB and again, the Urban Meyer connection comes into play.   6th rd (assigned)          Jimmy Graham           TE        Miami 6-8 260                         Former UM basketball player who joined the football team for the 2009 season.   He's extremely raw, but has excellent athleticism.   He had 14 Rec for 185 yrdas and 5 TD's on the year.
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    Hello folks you all have valid points in what would be your choices. I only ask you guys/gals this question wouldn't it behoove BB and the Patriots to move down one time to (example)#28 and then find another buyer for that pick in order to really load up on this years crop of future stars? I have been saying since the end of the season that this will be the greatest draft in the history of drafts. When you look at the draftable players the list is seemingly never ending. With a little research I've found 131 players on Offense and 113 players on Defense who are above average as far as ranking goes and I dropped those whom I personally had never heard of! I also didn't include Kickers. Thats 241 players,who conceivably be on squads next year.. 
     
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    233 Dexter Davis OLB/ILB 6'2" 252 One of the most accomplished defensive players in Arizona State history.  Can play inside or outside, adds depth at LB and a solid special team guy This is interesting , I know he was Arizona .. not ASU, but how does this kid stack up against Bruschi, a DE in college?
    Posted by mgraham


    Seems he's an ASU player or at least everywhere I've seen that's where they have him listed as playing.
    http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/davis_dexter00.html

    I see where you are going with this and I think we can compare college careers but knowing it doesn't mean anything in the NFL if the player doesn't have the heart Bruschi had.  He was a special player, very few come around like him but I'm game.
    Dexter Davis
    YearG/GSUT/ATTTTFL/YdsSacks/YdsPBFFFRInt
    2005Redshirted-/---/--/-----
    200613/1326/144010.5/456.0/351300
    200713/1321/123313.5/7210.5/631300
    200812/1225/154015.0/9511.0/811200
    200912/1213/10236.0/363.5/292201
    Career50/5085/5113645.0/24831.0/20851001

    "Bruschi played defense for the Arizona Wildcats as a defensive end where he tied the NCAA Division I-A career sack record with 52 QB sacks. He finished his collegiate career having amassed 185 total tackles (137 solo), forced six fumbles and recovered five others."

    As I expected, Bruschi hands down but not too bad, Davis had his worst year as a senior which explains why he might not be ranked as high.  I would take a flyer on the kid, he did not do well at the East-West in OLB drills but had a good combine and has the speed to come around the edge.  Could be a gem in the rough in the late rounds.
     
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    Some of this years quickest players within a 20 yard radius. I could not find all the times I need for every player I wanted so if you don't see a player listed I might not have been able to find one of the times I needed to compute it.

    I averaged out the times of each players combined 3-cone, short shuttle, 10 yard split, and 20 yard splits in 40.

    You really notice the difference between the quick guys and faster guys on some of these players when you look at the 20 yard split time differences individually. Adding that straight line 20yard split time into the mix really helped some of the faster guys bring down their averaged times. The distance widens even further between quick and fast guys if you eliminate straight line speed and use only change of direction speed.

    There are many examples but I will show one.

    Running backs Ryan Mathews and Toby Gerhart averaged out the same at 3.83s for all 4 times combined. If you eliminate the 20 yard Gerhart improves over Mathews with a 4.24s to Mathews 4.27s. If you eliminate the 10 yard the gap grows further with Gerhart at 5.59 and Mathews at 5.66.

    Does it tell us Gerhart is better than Mathews in some way? Nope. Perhaps it helps confirm Mathews is a better breakaway back than Gerhart but all you have to do is watch the film and that makes it seem so. 

    I just thought it was a fun exercise to look at but in the end it's just numbers about players running in their underwear.

    I do think Blair white and Toby Gerhart get less respect and attention because they are white though.

    WR
    Emmanuel Sanders WR SMU 3.67s
    Blair White WR Michigan State 3.70s
    Dexter McCluster WR Mississippi DNC 3-cone - other times in range
    Andre Roberts WR Citadel 3.75s
    Damian Williams WR USC 3.79s
    Golden Tate WR Notre Dame 3.87s
    Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati 3.87s

    RB
    Jahvid Best RB California 3.73s
    Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee 3.76s
    Ben Tate RB Auburn 3.76s
    James Starks RB Buffalo 3.80s
    Joique Bell RB Wayne State 3.81s
    Toby Gerhart RB Stanford 3.83s
    Ryan Mathews RB Fresno State 3.83s
    Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 4.13s

    CB
    Devin McCourty CB Rutgers 3.70s
    A.J. Jefferson CB Fresno State 3.71s
    Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 3.78s
    Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma 3.95s

    LB
    Mike McLaughlin ILB Boston College 3.82s
    Josh Hull ILB Penn State 3.84s
    Jason Worilds OLB Virginia Tech 3.85s
    Jerry Hughes DE TCU 3.85s
    Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington 3.85s
    Thaddeus Gibson OLB Ohio State 3.87s
    Sean Weatherspoon OLB Missouri 3.89s
    Eric Norwood OLB South Carolina 3.89s
    Dexter Davis OLB Arizona State 3.89s
    Pat Angerer ILB Iowa 3.92s
    A.J. Edds OLB Iowa 3.93s
    Koa Misi OLB Utah 3.94s
    Ricky Sapp OLB Clemson 3.98s
    Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 4.03s

    TE
    Dennis Pitta TE Brigham Young 3.81s
    Jimmy Graham TE Miami (Fla.) 3.87s
    Tony Moeaki TE Iowa 3.95s
    Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 3.97s
    Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin 3.97s

    DT/DE
    Tyson Alualu DT California 4.02s
    Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 4.03s
    Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 4.04s
    Jared Odrick DT Penn State 4.11s

    QB/H-Back
    Tim Tebow QB Florida 3.76s

    Safety
    Myron Rolle SS Florida State 3.81s

    I could already hear the Patriot haters calling them the racist organization if they drafted White, Gerhart, and Pitta.

    Some other interesting things. Rolle had a slow 40 but seems to be very quick. I am still amazed how quick Tebow is in short space. Can he catch? A few late round to FA LB's are VERY quick. The Graham kid from Wisconsin time did not surprise me because he plays much faster on film than his 40 time would indicate and I think this exercise bares that out.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Warming up? Confusing me with someone else? I have no issue with Kindle but I think you won't be able to make the SD trade and get him. I'm thinking you'll have to take him at #22. I would be happy with a kindle pick and even happier if at #28 and getting an additional pick. My issue with kindle is only with regards to Odrick and Dunlap being that ideal size to position match for the Pats that we all talk about. Will they ignore something they have seemed to hold out for? It will be interesting to see what they end up doing. I really think they will package some things and try to get the guys they want. They made so many picks last year and only so many spots on the roster and it's too early to pass judgement on many of the young guys so I am not sure how many picks they will actually use.
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    I haven't heard you really come out and defend some of the criticism of Kindle.  I don't have an independently informed opinion of him other than what has been said here.  Other than here I've heard a lot of positive stuff about him.  However, you are right, it would take 22 to land him otherwise I see GB, BAL and ARI possibly taking him. 

    However, I think we could do the SD trade and still land Odrick at 28 unless the Jets move up.  I thought Odrick looked great at the Senior Bowl.  I thought he played hard every play.  He had the luxury of playing next to Dan Williams in that game but if any credit goes to Williams making Odrick better, he's have VW with us.  Odrick at 28 would seem perfect for us and at the right spot. 

    Right now I'm going with Kindle at 22 or Odrick at 28.  Finding the perfect prototypical 5 technique DE is hard to do.  We are loaded with interior type guys in VW, Brace, Wright and Pryor. 

    I tend to agree with you on the number of picks.  There is no way we draft 12 guys.  We have to take the 4 comp picks.  I would not be surprised if we move up with one of our top 5 and make 4 picks in the first 4 rounds then trade away or package our 6th and two 7s this year or move them out until next year or use them in F/A as part of a deal to move certain problem children like Thomas.
     
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