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2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    What do you all think?  link below to where I got this mock with trade scenario.  I don't think this is a dream scenario, close but not there.  http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/12/2010-dream-patriots-draft.html Let's get on to our dream scenario... also check out the Patriots 2010 Draft Picks page. Round 1: 8th Overall Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama Giving the Raiders their 1st round pick in 2011 plus #47 this year lands the #8 pick for the Patriots. McClain would be an instant starter at the SILB position, having played there under Nick Saban. Moving Jerod Mayo to WILB would allow him to make more plays. Round 1: 22nd Overall Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State We went into great detail about our love for Odrick , but we're hoping now that he makes it to the 22nd spot, as many teams are interested in the former Nittany Lion's services. Round 2: 44th Overall Jerry Hughes , DE/OLB, TCU Hughes is an incredibly gifted athlete that is still learning the defensive side of the ball. He has the natural ability to play 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE, and even play some SILB with some development. Doesn't have the motor/strength issues that Kindle has nor the injury issues that Ricky Sapp has. Round 2: 53rd Overall Andre Roberts , WR, Citadel Roberts is an incredibly talented receiver that is fearless going over the middle. He runs solid routes and has a very nice 2nd gear. Tom Brady will love this guy immediately, as he reminds us of Deion Branch at his best. Round 4: Tony Moeaki , TE, Iowa Classic NFL TE with great in-line blocking skills and good receiving skills. Should go higher, but hasn't been very durable at Iowa (wrist/head). We feel that he is the best TE in the draft for the Patriots when healthy. With Ben Watson and Chris Baker gone, Moeaki would be a great fit. Round 6: Syd'Quan Thompson, CB, California With Leigh Bodden resigned, corner is less of a need. However, the nickel CB position is still a place that the Patriots can improve on. (Wilhite/Wheatley) Thompson is very physical, even with his small size, and has lots of experience in the slot. Can really lay a guy out in run support. Round 6: (Compensatory) Danny Batten, OLB, SDSU Would be gunning to be a special-teams star in the mold of Larry Izzo, with the added benefit of developing into a rotational LB. Always a great guy to have around. Round 7: Mike Brandtner , P, Iowa State While a punter might not be a sexy pick, they can be useful. Brandtner is great inside the 20 and kicks the ball well in directional situations. Round 7: Jameson Konz, ATH, Kent State The Patriots hit big with an athlete from Kent State last year, Konz is a workout superstar that could develop into at least a special-teams demon. Round 7: (Compensatory) Dace Richardson, OG, Iowa Lumbering big man that has solid technique and a good understanding of pro-blocking due to his time with Kirk Ferentz. Round 7: (Compensatory) Tim Hiller, QB, Western Michigan Backup caliber quarterback with a decent arm. Good touch on deep balls and solid decision-making. Round 7: (Compensatory) Kerry Meier, ATH, Kansas Meier is a former QB that can play FB/H-Back/WR and probably a few others. Just a good football player.
    Posted by Pats7393



    I already wrote something about this on this board back when that rumor first circulated.

    If they did that I would rather have Trent Williams at #8.

    CB in the 6th round is a waste since a heavy heavy percentage of starting CB's were taken in the 1st 2 rounds in drafts. It's not one of those positions you find someone late. It happens but not the best position for it by any means. The CB class has turned out to be considered a very good class not deep.

    If they have a grade on a player like alualu close enough to odrick then take your CB at #22 and alualu at #44. Or even a guy later since the DL class is deep but not great. Big difference. I have no problem taking Odrick at #22 either since I was one of the ones who initiated the importance of the DE hole.

    Roberts seems high at that pick even with being a big fan. They are kind of stuck though so depends how much they like him. If at all. You have to take him there if you want him because he isn't lasting until your 4th. However, IF you think he lasts close to your fourth you can take a pass rusher or RB here then try and package up your 6 and 2 7ths to move up as much as possible to try and get Roberts earlier in the fourth or later 3rd. If they have grades on Blair white or Riley Cooper or whom ever that are similar to Roberts then it doesn't even matter because they won't reach. Wouldn't we all love to have a look at the Patriots value board post draft. Even one from years past, just once.

    There are a number of guys they can go with at TE so I don' think they need to chase anyone based on how they use the position historically. One kid I like late that no one really talks about is the kid from Wisconsin. Garrett Graham I think his name is. He plays much faster on film then his 40 time and he can play TE and fullback, when they want to use one. Similar to what they had Dave Thomas doing before trading him.

    Can't believe they don't have the Pats taking a RB at least with one of those late picks for youth if nothing else. The Bell or Starks kids might slide a lil bit later for 2 examples.

    Also very surprised they don't have them following the Tully Banta-Cain route this year considering this draft has an overwhelming amount of DE/OLB projection types compared to most years with a good dozen or so players that fit the perceived Patriots size speed requirements they want for the OLB spot. Most are also mid to late round guys.

    I will be posting this list to my website later today with the DE/OLB players broken down into two groups of ideal size and not. Mighty Mites not meeting the requirements and possible ILB prospects instead of DE/OLB's and those that do meet the requirements separated by college position they played, DE or OLB.

    We all know the punter position is a need and special teams are important BUT unless a punter they have worked out absolutely blows them away I am not sure they use a pick on one.

    In the end I am not sure that rumor has any validity.
     
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    You know looking at all the mock drafts from the so called experts, I have come to  realise there is one thing I am sure of... none of them have a clue what Belichick is going to do in round one.

    Studying trends doesn't work with him, looking at biggest team need doesn't work with him, he doesn't have a pet position he likes to draft early with 3 DT's, 2 TE's, 2 DB's, and 1 RB, OL, LB all being positions he has taken in the first round since 2000.  You might be able to make a case for he drafts whoever he has at the top of his board when it is time for him to pick regardless of position as long as it is a position that could need upgrading. For instance he won't draft a QB just because he is on top of his board and he happens to be there. 

    Because of his unpredictability I think that is the best way to do a mock draft coupled with team need and likely availability including ability to move around in a draft. That is why I say they trade up, But I say for CJ Spiller or a lesser possibility is Pierre-Paul. 

    Now I know the Mocks are based on everyone staying put and in that situation I say the Patriots take a DE... which one I would say Morgan as he is likely to be available at #22.  I keep seeing Mathews would be available early in round two but others say he is gone to SD... if he is there in early round two and we went defense in round one that is a guy that is worth trading up for even if we had to use a first round pick from 2011. 
     
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    I actually love the idea of moving up into this years draft and getting the 8th pick. If that happens, this really could be a historic draft! Here's who I would select with the first 4 picks: Morgan  Pouncey Alualu Roberts Those guys would fill so many vital holes.  In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 :
    Posted by Rockdog1293000


    Those are certainly all considered very solid players.
     
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    CB in the 6th round is a waste since a heavy heavy percentage of starting CB's were taken in the 1st 2 rounds in drafts. It's not one of those positions you find someone late. It happens but not the best position for it by any means. The CB class has turned out to be considered a very good class not deep.
    I agree with you, now if that player is looked at as a very good return player then drafting him regardless of what position he plays but drafting him to be a returner then I understand the pick.  What do you think about a 7th on Sam Shields?
    If they have a grade on a player like alualu close enough to odrick then take your CB at #22 and alualu at #44. Or even a guy later since the DL class is deep but not great. Big difference. I have no problem taking Odrick at #22 either since I was one of the ones who initiated the importance of the DE hole.
    Also agree, although I have Odrick ranked higher Alualu is not far behind which makes it then a value against another position where you would have a big difference in ranking, CB as you point out.
    Roberts seems high at that pick even with being a big fan. They are kind of stuck though so depends how much they like him. If at all. You have to take him there if you want him because he isn't lasting until your 4th. However, IF you think he lasts close to your fourth you can take a pass rusher or RB here then try and package up your 6 and 2 7ths to move up as much as possible to try and get Roberts earlier in the fourth or later 3rd. If they have grades on Blair white or Riley Cooper or whom ever that are similar to Roberts then it doesn't even matter because they won't reach. Wouldn't we all love to have a look at the Patriots value board post draft. Even one from years past, just once.
    I think it might be known I'm extremely high on Roberts and do not mind the pick.  I don't know if gets deep into the third.
    There are a number of guys they can go with at TE so I don' think they need to chase anyone based how how they use the position historically. One kid I like late that no one really talks about is the kid from Wisconsin. Garrett Graham I think his name is. He plays much faster on film then his 40 time and he can play TE and fullback, when they want to use one. Similar to what they had Dave Thomas doing before trading him.
    Give you a name which I've been bringing up, Scott Sicko TE UNH.  This is deep draft based on that I don't think you see a TE until late.
    Can't believe they don't have the Pats taking a RB at least with one of those late picks for youth if nothing else. The Bell or Starks kids might slide a lil bit later for 2 examples.
    Couldn't agree more, I think they take a RB in the 2nd Gerhart, Tate, Best one of those there's also a RB Alfonso Smith who I think can help and develop into good option for the Pats, he is projected as a UDFA or 7th.
    Also very surprised they don't have them following the Tully Banta-Cain route this year considering this draft has an overwhelming amount of DE/OLB projection types compared to most years with a good dozen or so players that fit the perceived Patriots size speed requirements they want for the OLB spot. Most are also mid to late round guys.
    Two players who are the height you want 6'4" and both bring a nice set of skill both right now are projected as 4th rounders.  If one is not picked at 22 I would wait until the 4th trade for a 2nd pick inthe 4th and pick both A.J. Edds and Daniel TeoNesheim.
    I will be posting this list to my website later today with the DE/OLB players broken down into two groups of ideal size and not. Mighty Mites not meeting the requirements and possible ILB prospects instead of DE/OLB's and those that do meet the requirements separated by college position they played, DE or OLB.

    We all know the punter position is a need and special teams are important BUT unless a punter they have worked out absolutely blows them away I am not sure they use a pick on one.
    Punter UDFA or last Comp pick in the 7th.
    In the end I am not sure that rumor has any validity.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : how is he physical??? i have watched many GT games being an FSU fan and i have hardley ever seen him win the fight for a ball. so basically u just want him as a vertical threat and nothing else... well guess what Williams has that and more hes a hybrid of welker and moss combined, he can take the ball away from defenders, run over safties, speed to outrun defences, u got the wrong idea about this Thomas kid
    Posted by TateGroup


    Yes I want him as a vertical threat.  What, you don't think replacing Moss is important?  Are you really telling me Williams with his 4.52 speed is going to stretch the field?  He's a possession receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he is not vertical threat.  I'd rather get a possession WR at #119 like a Roberts or Shipley.  Don't under estimate the importance of what Moss does commanding double teams, pulling over safety help opening up the middle and gets you that home run almost once a game.  If Thomas is there at #44 you bet I'd take him.  Coaching doesn't stop once you enter the pros; that's where it begins.  You can't coach being 6-3, 224, with 4.38 speed.  You CAN coach route running.

    Williams won't out run anyone with 4.52 speed.  Heck Guyton is faster than him.  Edelman is faster than him and every CB and S on our roster is faster than Williams.  In fact if we drafted Williams, he'd be our slowest WR.  I'm not knocking the player but he isn't better than Thomas and his ceiling is far lower.
     
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    I've got to think it will come down between Odrick or Kindle at #22.  I'm kind of torn between them because we signed Lewis the need has lessened on the DL and there is so much DL depth and with 6 quality guys it would be hard to add there.

    Kindle has bust potential but the position is greatly needed.  I think Graham goes to the Steelers and while I would think we could get up to 17 with our frequent trading partner, SF, I don't know that we would.  If PIT goes with Pouncey (another huge need and a smarter move) then Graham could still go to ATL or CIN.  If he goes to CIN, that drops Gresham to us and I think he'd have to be our choice there.
     
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    I've got to think it will come down between Odrick or Kindle at #22.  I'm kind of torn between them because we signed Lewis the need has lessened on the DL and there is so much DL depth and with 6 quality guys it would be hard to add there. Kindle has bust potential but the position is greatly needed.  I think Graham goes to the Steelers and while I would think we could get up to 17 with our frequent trading partner, SF, I don't know that we would.  If PIT goes with Pouncey (another huge need and a smarter move) then Graham could still go to ATL or CIN.  If he goes to CIN, that drops Gresham to us and I think he'd have to be our choice there.
    Posted by Faucetman


    Hi, Faucetman:

    I think Jerry Hughes is the equal to Brandon Graham.  If Graham is gone, Hughes should be a solid option. 
     
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    trustbill, hughes is good, but Graham is better at disengaging OL and has more great film.  Hughes worries me a little because he reminds me of Q Groves that we were all high on a draft or so ago and who bombed so far. 
     
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    new mock up on national football post if anyone is interested

    Mock Draft: 5.0 | National Football Post http://bit.ly/cRQUqX
     
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    new mock up on national football post if anyone is interested Mock Draft: 5.0 | National Football Post http://bit.ly/cRQUqX
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I want some of what they are having!

    7. Cleveland Browns: Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State
    The Browns need a five-technique DE in the worst way, and in my opinion, Odrick is a better overall prospect than Tyson Jackson, who went three to the Chiefs last season.

    and

    9. Buffalo Bills: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
    The Bills need to put fans in the seats and have had nothing but glowing remarks about Tebow and his leadership capabilities. In what could be the real surprise of the first round, Buffalo opts for Tebow at nine.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Hi, Faucetman: I think Jerry Hughes is the equal to Brandon Graham.  If Graham is gone, Hughes should be a solid option. 
    Posted by TrustBill



    If that is true then I don't like Graham as much as everyone else. I have not watched film yet on graham cause i am not expecting him to be there.

    I have seen plenty of highlight film on Hughes and a couple of full games. He's everything people say he is with regards to his first step and to a lesser extent his pass rushing ability in general.

    imo however I have a few concerns.

    1) major concern about his ability to hold up at the point of attack. One on one he's so-so. A second blocker gets into him and he goes flying backwards. This is consistently the case everytime I see him play. The OLB is responsible for setting the edge in the 3-4 and forcing everything back inside and at worst for stringing the play out to the sideline. To me Hughes never did this consistently in college and it will be even less likely he can do it at the same level or better in the pros.

    2) 90% of all his pass rush highlights he wins on pure speed by taking a wide arcing approach that takes him way out past the QB and then comes back at the QB from behind. First I am not sure he gets away with that in the pros as often as he did in college. 2nd if he takes such a wide angle in the pros consistently I think you could really take advantage of him if you have mobile QB or draws etc.
    I prefer the 10% where he starts with the wide arc and switches half way to bull rush using the tackles momentum against himself and does not give up pocket containment.

    The guy is really quick and is also relentless. He made a number of plays on film from the backside but no one bothered to even chip him. He has good motor and will chase plays down all over but it really bothers me how he can get completely blown up at the point of attack.

    My concerns do not mean I would not take him. I just am not keen on him as a 1st round pick because I don't think he'd be 7 rounds better of a player than TBC is in this Patriots system.

    There are about a half dozen other mighty mites with the same measurables and speed as Hughes that they could get later as well. I have not had a chance to check out everyones film so I do not know how I would compare them but I am interested to to that.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I want some of what they are having! 7. Cleveland Browns: Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State The Browns need a five-technique DE in the worst way, and in my opinion, Odrick is a better overall prospect than Tyson Jackson, who went three to the Chiefs last season. and 9. Buffalo Bills: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida The Bills need to put fans in the seats and have had nothing but glowing remarks about Tebow and his leadership capabilities. In what could be the real surprise of the first round, Buffalo opts for Tebow at nine.
    Posted by Pats7393


    I did not even check the mock myself yet but the Cleveland rumor is the strongest rumor going around right now.
     
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    April is crazy...

    Scout has harsh words for “the fat kid from UCLA” Brian Price | NFL Mocks | Covering the 2010 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database http://bit.ly/cDLx8b

    Between the Odrick to Cleveland rumor. The Patriots trade to 8 rumor. Tebow stories. Etc etc.

    Let the mind games commence...
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Hi, Faucetman: I think Jerry Hughes is the equal to Brandon Graham.  If Graham is gone, Hughes should be a solid option. 
    Posted by TrustBill


    Yes, Hughes is an option.  I just can't get myself to think he's worth #22.  If we go a different direction at 22 and Hughes is there at #44, I'd be sold on him there.
     
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    http://www.patspulpit.com/2010/4/7/1408381/why-the-new-england-patriots?ref=CBS

    Makes some points I've been saying some similar players compared to those available at 22.  Although I don't agree with some of the players he mentions but for the most part I think has a valid point.  I pick his scenario with the bills, about 5 scenarios to trade out of 22 into more picks.

    Scenario 4: Buffalo Bills #41, #73, #140, 2011 Third Round Pick: Point Value = 751 + 70 (est) =  821

    The Bills are a division rival, but that hasn't stopped us from trading with them before (Hi Bledsoe!). They have many needs, due to their lack of starting QB, their lack of personnel for their new 3-4 defense and lack of receivers for said (lack of) QB. While it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills kept all their picks (because they need them all to improve), if they select the top OT at #9 overall and Jimmy Clausen falls to #22 (and it seems highly likely), maybe the Bills would make a move to grab him. On the other hand, if they choose Clausen at #9, and a tackle like Trent Williams or Charles Brown is still available, maybe they'll move up to pick them.


     
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    Well watch some clips on Graham and you'll be impressed. He definitely fills a need area so I don't think it's out of the realm for them to trade up a few picks to nab him. Players do drop (like Wilfork) so I think he should be on every Pats fans radar. How can you judge a player without watching film on them? It's kind of like reviewing a restaurant without even eating there.

    Belichick always does the unexpected so you never know when he'll surprise everyone by trading up instead of down. 


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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : If that is true then I don't like Graham as much as everyone else. I have not watched film yet on graham cause i am not expecting him to be there. I have seen plenty of highlight film on Hughes and a couple of full games. He's everything people say he is with regards to his first step and to a lesser extent his pass rushing ability in general. imo however I have a few concerns. 1) major concern about his ability to hold up at the point of attack. One on one he's so-so. A second blocker gets into him and he goes flying backwards. This is consistently the case everytime I see him play. The OLB is responsible for setting the edge in the 3-4 and forcing everything back inside and at worst for stringing the play out to the sideline. To me Hughes never did this consistently in college and it will be even less likely he can do it at the same level or better in the pros. 2) 90% of all his pass rush highlights he wins on pure speed by taking a wide arcing approach that takes him way out past the QB and then comes back at the QB from behind. First I am not sure he gets away with that in the pros as often as he did in college. 2nd if he takes such a wide angle in the pros consistently I think you could really take advantage of him if you have mobile QB or draws etc. I prefer the 10% where he starts with the wide arc and switches half way to bull rush using the tackles momentum against himself and does not give up pocket containment. The guy is really quick and is also relentless. He made a number of plays on film from the backside but no one bothered to even chip him. He has good motor and will chase plays down all over but it really bothers me how he can get completely blown up at the point of attack. My concerns do not mean I would not take him. I just am not keen on him as a 1st round pick because I don't think he'd be 7 rounds better of a player than TBC is in this Patriots system. There are about a half dozen other mighty mites with the same measurables and speed as Hughes that they could get later as well. I have not had a chance to check out everyones film so I do not know how I would compare them but I am interested to to that. Just my opinion.
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    DE possibility in the 4th-6th

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Al-Woods-on-the-rise.html
     
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    I'm not sold on Graham or Hughes at 22. I like Graham for all the reasons listed on this post...can rush, set the edge, etc...but I am not convinced he can play standing up or has the ability we seek in a 3-4 OLB to drop back into coverage if necessary. 
    To me, Graham seems like a great 4-3 DE, similar in stature/ability to Dumervil. Of course, I would like to have that pass rushing ability on the roster, if Graham is not a 3 down OLB, is he worth the 22nd pick?...Perhaps if some have suggested we run more nickel or 4-3 type schemes. This pick then to me makes more sense. With the 22nd, I want a 3 down, impact player, not a situational guy as I believe we have too many of those on the roster today.

    I have similar feelings about Hughes. I don't think he will be as stout agaisnt the run as Graham, has 1 move to the QB, but perhaps better dropping back into coverage than Graham (assumption). To me, neither is "complete" or what we expect out of that position in a 3-4. Again, if we change our defensive alignment, I could see either of these picks, but I would think we run nickel/4-3 at least 70% of the time to afford a 22nd pick on either of these guys. just my opinion of course.







     
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    Patriots Worked Out Antonio Coleman http://bit.ly/cFyDs5
     
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    This week's mock, based on some projections on who will be available at 22 and who won't.  Finding room for some of my favorites and some won't make it, I'm also thinking back to a report (sorry don't have the site) which I read where the Pats other than LM pick backs in late rounds so will be basing my mock on that point.  Although I wish they take Tate or Gerhart I'm not longer convinced they spend a 2nd on a RB.  Let me know what you all think.

    #22 Everson Griffen OLB 6'4" 273
    4.65 40, he matches everything BB looks for in his OLBs, good against the run and relentless pass rusher but it is raw in pass coverage which he will need to work on.
    #44 Tyson Alualu DE 6'3" 295
    Height might not be perfect but he is an immediate upgrade to the RDE spot
    #47 Dominique Franks CB 5'11" 194
    Although Bodden was signed and Butler reporterly is making progress they don't have anyone behind them unless you are convinced this is the year for the Ws I'm not.  Franks has the cover skills to be a #2 and eventually develop into a #1.
    #53 Jared Veldheer OT 6'8" 312
    I'm on board on this kid, I believe Light gets traded on draft day.  Katzur is not the answer at RT.  Only question is how soon will Veldheer be ready to start.
    #119 Daniel Te'O Nesheim OLB/DE 6'4" 263
    Another conversion guy who has what BB looks for in an OLB.  Already had a private workout with the Pats.  I like Griffen on the W side and Te on the strong side, maybe not day 1 but eventually.
    #191 Marcus Easly WR 6'3" 210
    Fast receiver great hands, needs to develop into a route runner.  Has it all to replace Moss in 2011.
    #206 (comp) Alfonso Smith RB 6'1" 211
    Great hands can catch out of the back field, can return kicks.  Has speed and size to run inside or take it outside.  great option on screens.
    #230 Scott Sicko TE 6'4" 251
    Good speed size and hands, is a good blocker and blue collar kid.  Perfect candidate to be mentored by Alge.
    #232 David Gettis WR 6'3" 217
    Great hands size and speed combination doesn't mind running across the middle. 
    #248 (comp) Deji Karim RB/PR 5'09" 210
    Will benefit from KF. 
    #249 (comp) Kade Weston DE/DT 6'5" 325
    Big man with speed, ran 4.97 at 325, played in the SEC for Georgia.  Not saying he's the answer at RE but if he can develop sure has the size to take that spot.
    #251 (comp) Mike Johnson LB 6'2 248
    All around player, could be a great special teams guy and add depth at MLB.  Effort won't be questioned.

    No punter although they might draft one or see who's available after the draft.  There's a few guys I like as UDFA but won't include the list of about 10.


     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : If that is true then I don't like Graham as much as everyone else. I have not watched film yet on graham cause i am not expecting him to be there. I have seen plenty of highlight film on Hughes and a couple of full games. He's everything people say he is with regards to his first step and to a lesser extent his pass rushing ability in general. imo however I have a few concerns. 1) major concern about his ability to hold up at the point of attack. One on one he's so-so. A second blocker gets into him and he goes flying backwards. This is consistently the case everytime I see him play. The OLB is responsible for setting the edge in the 3-4 and forcing everything back inside and at worst for stringing the play out to the sideline. To me Hughes never did this consistently in college and it will be even less likely he can do it at the same level or better in the pros. 2) 90% of all his pass rush highlights he wins on pure speed by taking a wide arcing approach that takes him way out past the QB and then comes back at the QB from behind. First I am not sure he gets away with that in the pros as often as he did in college. 2nd if he takes such a wide angle in the pros consistently I think you could really take advantage of him if you have mobile QB or draws etc. I prefer the 10% where he starts with the wide arc and switches half way to bull rush using the tackles momentum against himself and does not give up pocket containment. The guy is really quick and is also relentless. He made a number of plays on film from the backside but no one bothered to even chip him. He has good motor and will chase plays down all over but it really bothers me how he can get completely blown up at the point of attack. My concerns do not mean I would not take him. I just am not keen on him as a 1st round pick because I don't think he'd be 7 rounds better of a player than TBC is in this Patriots system. There are about a half dozen other mighty mites with the same measurables and speed as Hughes that they could get later as well. I have not had a chance to check out everyones film so I do not know how I would compare them but I am interested to to that. Just my opinion.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    IQ, you should watch some tape of Graham.  I agree he should be gone before 22 but if we moved up to 17, he'd be there.  I confess that other than the Senior Bowl I didn't watch him play because I didn't see any Michigan games last year but I watched the SB and he was an absolute beast - clearly the best player on the field and well deserving of the MVP honors for that game.

    I think the first landing spot for him is PIT at 18.  I think PIT will either pick Graham, Iupati or Pouncey.  PIT really needs OL help including C/OG and OT and since their defense is pretty good I have to feel they are leaning towards one of these guys or a slipping OT (Davis perhaps).  This could drop Graham to ATL at 19 but they have bigger needs at WR, DT, CB and OG.  I could see them going with Wilson there.  I think HOU is all over Ryan Mathews and they don't need a DE so this gets Graham to 21 and CIN.  CIN has a big need at DE.  So, we may only have to jump up 2 spots or roll the dice that CIN takes Gresham, another big need for them.

    In any event, you should look at Graham because I think there is a chance he makes it to us or we move up to get him if BB likes him and he's still there at 17 or 20.
     
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    Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    Well watch some clips on Graham and you'll be impressed. He definitely fills a need area so I don't think it's out of the realm for them to trade up a few picks to nab him. Players do drop (like Wilfork) so I think he should be on every Pats fans radar. How can you judge a player without watching film on them? It's kind of like reviewing a restaurant without even eating there. Belichick always does the unexpected so you never know when he'll surprise everyone by trading up instead of down.  In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 :
    Posted by Rockdog1293000



    Rock is that statement directed at me?

    I don't believe I have ever done that. I gave a detailed opinion on Hughes because I watched his film highlights and a few games of his.

    There have been times I have posted on here with regards to a player but if it is based on what I have read ONLY I will add that fact in my post.

    When I made the statement about Graham what I said in response to the gentleman who said Graham and Hughes was the same was "IF that is true". Meaning IF that post IS accurate and they ARE the same then I would not be as high on Graham based on my evaluation of Hughes.

    I was only responding to his post and not giving an opinion on Graham as I do not have one since I have not watched him. I have not watched many guys that are expected to be off the board before us. Instead focusing on the ones most likely to be available and later round guys as well.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : IQ, you should watch some tape of Graham.  I agree he should be gone before 22 but if we moved up to 17, he'd be there.  I confess that other than the Senior Bowl I didn't watch him play because I didn't see any Michigan games last year but I watched the SB and he was an absolute beast - clearly the best player on the field and well deserving of the MVP honors for that game. I think the first landing spot for him is PIT at 18.  I think PIT will either pick Graham, Iupati or Pouncey.  PIT really needs OL help including C/OG and OT and since their defense is pretty good I have to feel they are leaning towards one of these guys are a slipping OT (Davis perhaps).  This could drop Graham to ATL at 19 but they have bigger needs at WR, DT, CB and OG.  I could see them going with Wilson there.  I think HOU is all over Ryan Mathews and they don't need a DE so this gets Graham to 21 and CIN.  CIN has a big need at DE.  So, we may only have to jump up 2 spots or roll the dice that CIN takes Gresham, another big need for them. In any event, you should look at Graham because I think there is a chance he makes it to us or we move up to get him if BB likes him and he's still there at 17 or 20.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I don't think Pit can pass up Pouncey, that is probably their biggest need right now (maybe QB ???) don't look pass Atl.  They will take LB the only question is whether it is Graham or Weatherspoon, IMO Graham will provide better value and upside although We... is a special player. I think if you have to jump for Graham you have to ask Pit or seattle, i don't know what it will take but I'm sure they'll ask for a 2nd which I wouldn't give. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Yes I want him as a vertical threat.  What, you don't think replacing Moss is important?  Are you really telling me Williams with his 4.52 speed is going to stretch the field?  He's a possession receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he is not vertical threat.  I'd rather get a possession WR at #119 like a Roberts or Shipley.  Don't under estimate the importance of what Moss does commanding double teams, pulling over safety help opening up the middle and gets you that home run almost once a game.  If Thomas is there at #44 you bet I'd take him.  Coaching doesn't stop once you enter the pros; that's where it begins.  You can't coach being 6-3, 224, with 4.38 speed.  You CAN coach route running. Williams won't out run anyone with 4.52 speed.  Heck Guyton is faster than him.  Edelman is faster than him and every CB and S on our roster is faster than Williams.  In fact if we drafted Williams, he'd be our slowest WR.  I'm not knocking the player but he isn't better than Thomas and his ceiling is far lower.
    Posted by Faucetman

    u cant coach it but you can have him train on a track team, have him do what myron rolle from FSU is doing, and he is alot faster in game.. okay ya 4.38 speed is great but its hard to learn route running after not doing it for soo many years
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Thomas vs Williams, hmm well I think you are right but only as an immediate impact guy as far as long term upside Thomas hands down is the better prospect.  Williams is a kid who can come in (or at least I think he can) and be a solid WR his rookie year where Thomas will need a year or two get to a #1 or #2 starting WR.  Williams I don't think will be a #1 but Thomas once learns how to run routes has it all to be a #1.  Although I had mocked Thomas at 22 I think if the team picks Roberts in the 2nd and Easley in the 6th those two will provide depth at WR and one will become a #2 option for the Pats.  Both Roberts and Easley also can help out in return duties.
    Posted by Pats7393

    and to be a contender this year we need imediate impact players and not some1 we have to develop, so far this Thomas kid is a high prospect project, im not saying hes bad, im just saying theres alot to improve on
     
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