2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    In Response to Re: Hoax exposed! : Yes.  And most mass murderers are heterosexual.  Does that make them all crazy?  What are you trying to say?  Pollution is our friend?  You are trying to defend the fossil fuel industry.  Why?  Do you have a vested interest in their stocks?  Or maybe because you want to argue with anything a "liberal" says? Look at the F'in picture.  Is this what you want for your kids?  Where are your family values?
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    Heterosexual what????

    What planet are you from? Why don't you work ambidextrous monkeys into the conversation.
     
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    I'm looking at Marques Murrell and Bruce Davis and assuming special teamers next year. I would not count on serious production on defense leading up to the draft. if you look at our roster, we looked stacked at LB. the problem is, lots of quantity, little quality..or should I say, unproven quantity. 

    I don't know how that shapes our draft philosophy at the OLB. Any takers?




     
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    IQ, Good stuff on the player ratings.  Here are some of my observations:

    1.  Maybe we should draft Patrick Robinson or Kareem Jackson if one of them are still there at #44 or 48.
    2.  Maybe we should draft Nate Allen or Rashad Jones.  I really like Jones better because he represents better value and can be for sure had at #53.  Both players are bigger than Chung and more reminiscent of Rodney Harrison.  If they both are that much better than Chung who we got at 34, taking one of them at 53 would seem a big upgrade.

    3.  Confirms if we don't draft Tate or Thomas to wait until the 4th round for a WR

    4.  We need to add Graham, Kindle, Weatherspoon or Hughes.  All of them are ranked higher than Mayo and he cost us a #10 overall.  I'd only consider Weatherspoon if we were going to play more 43.  BUt Graham, Kindle or Hughes, getting one, needs to be a priority if we were basing our decisions on this.

    5.  Outside of Williams or Odrick, adding a DT early won't really upgrade us over our current DL roster. 

     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : The Katzur example, then why draft any player if they they have a higher point value?  You keep making a reference to a point value but not to actual evaluation.  Why draft a guy because they are evaluated and the team based on that evaluation project growth and if they will become a star or a bust.  Why draft Veldheer, he has the what most look for in a OT, height strength and moves well.  The projection comes with NFL coaching will he grow into a starter or a backup.  Guess we look at projections a different way.  I don't go based on a point system not knowing why they might not grade that player, is it because he has been suspended because of academics or has 3 DUIs or hips are tight can't bend catches with his body instead of extending his arms for the catch. Some of the things that can be coached whether it is eggo or not coaches are willing to take a player a bit higher because they believe they can coach the guy into a higher level, Mays will be a perfect example.  Gifted athlete but not good in coverage I'm sure there will be a coach that says I can coach that player into a pro bowler.
    Posted by Pats7393



    The point I was trying to make with kaczur was the time to impact. It was not a knock on Veldheer, Calloway, etc. It was to say if those players have grades on your board that are the same grade as you have on your starters AND those starters are not old OR in last year of contract then it's a potential luxury/wasted  pick if you have other needs.

    Those players are mid to upper 70's based on this example. If your starter has the same grade there's a good chance the player you draft could be a good starter as well but less likely he will come in and win a job over the incumbent veteran with the same talent level.

    In contrast using the grades I posted you I would think you would be better served using the pick on someone like Damian Williams where is grade is of equal value to the tackles (upper 70's) but his time to impact is probably shorter as the current roster players have lower grades. The WR would have a greater potential for immediately impacting and possibly starting over the incumbents with minimal experience and lower grades.

    That's the whole idea of putting your board together. Being able to compare values of players across all positions and needs and then against what you already have on your roster.

    I am absolutely convinced that in years past when the Patriots have passed on players and we scratched our heads it was because they either did not have the high grade everyone else seemed to think the player was worth OR the player did have that grade but the player those selected instead had the same grade as the player passed on AND that selected player fit into a position where he had a shorter time to potentially impact.


     
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    Not sure if someone already posted it here or not but WR Dez Bryant visited the patriots today.
     
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    IQ, Good stuff on the player ratings.  Here are some of my observations: 1.  Maybe we should draft Patrick Robinson or Kareem Jackson if one of them are still there at #44 or 48. 2.  Maybe we should draft Nate Allen or Rashad Jones.  I really like Jones better because he represents better value and can be for sure had at #53.  Both players are bigger than Chung and more reminiscent of Rodney Harrison.  If they both are that much better than Chung who we got at 34, taking one of them at 53 would seem a big upgrade. 3.  Confirms if we don't draft Tate or Thomas to wait until the 4th round for a WR 4.  We need to add Graham, Kindle, Weatherspoon or Hughes.  All of them are ranked higher than Mayo and he cost us a #10 overall.  I'd only consider Weatherspoon if we were going to play more 43.  BUt Graham, Kindle or Hughes, getting one, needs to be a priority if we were basing our decisions on this. 5.  Outside of Williams or Odrick, adding a DT early won't really upgrade us over our current DL roster. 
    Posted by Faucetman



    Faucet thanks,

    It's just to further along the discussions.

    1) The Patriots grades on past and present players are probably completely different.

    2) The Patriots regrade every single position as a group and player at the end of every season. Players grades most likely vary from year to year.

    3) The Patriots players grades most likely take into account, intelligence, talent, how important football is to them, character, locker room presence/teammate, etc.

    4) What ever source anyone wanted to use for tangible grades does not matter as long as the grading is done consistently. The accuracy of how the player turned out in the NFL is less relevant than the consistency of the grading process. (Ex. I think Draft Ace gave Revis like and 83 or something so probably a a bit off we would say after the fact but I really only care that what ever he was using as critera to give that grade is the consistent same as what he used this year to give some of this crop 90)

    5) I have no idea how much difference in talent he actually thinks there is between say and 86 and a 91, for example.

    OK with that said... to your points/questions

    CB -> yes I think you might need to seriously consider that IF the Patriots values are similar to Draft Aces value when it comes to rostered guys like Wheatley and Wilhite. That's seems to be a big upgrade IF accurate.

    S -> I think it depends on what kind of grade they currently have on Sanders and McGowen in relation to those players you mentioned. I have no idea but I think they are happy with Meriweather and Chung and also think Sanders is solid.

    WR -> Well those are Draft Ace grades and we do not know what the Patriots think about various players. Even using Draft Ace though, waiting to the 4th and not maneuvering for a 3rd leaves us passing on a handful of those guys I posted. 70's are 3rd's and D. Williams with 79 buts him end of 2 top of 3 in that scenario.

    LB -> Sure IF we were but I would suggest at least a 5 or 6 point margin of error minimum for scouting in general. If not more. Again I have no idea how the players grade specific to the Patriots and their criteria and systems. You can look up players since 2007 at Draft Ace and see there were plenty of LB's with higher grades or same as Mayo and the Patriots passed.

    DT/DE -> No I would not say that is true Faucet. Brace had a similar grade or higher than some but really is projected as a NT only in a 34. I do not know what grade they have for a player like Pryor or D. Lewis or M. Wright but there are a bunch of 80's in that list that can play DE in a 34, unlike Brace.
     
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    Interesting new Mock

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    I just had an idea that I got from Path to the Draft but with a different example.  They were talking about BUF taking Williams at 9 then moving up back into the late first for Tebow.

    If there is no body we are in love with at #22 what about trading down with KC?  They hold 36, 50 and 69 (3rd round) and THEY FREAKIN OWE US.  If there is someone at #22 that KC loves we give them 22 and in exchange for 36 and 69.  Heck we could even throw in Adalius Thomas just to make sure he goes to a bad team.  KC needs OLB help and it would be like they didn't give up anything from a player/pick prospective. 

    The thinking is a bad team would love to come out of the first day with two solid picks knowing heading into the 2nd round that they've addressed their biggest needs.  KC will likely land Gerald McCoy at #5.  They need OT, WR and CB.  Knowing Pioli he will likely want to fill OT but Saffold might not last to 36 but at 22 he still has Davis, Campbell and Saffold to chose from.  Or, he has Devin McCourty who could be as good as any CB in the draft but McCourty won't make it to 36.  He very well may have Golden Tate and Demaryius Thomas at #22 but neither at 36.  Moving to 22 gives KC many more elite options than staying at 36 and 69.

    Of course we would do it.  We did almost the exact same thing last year.  The value in this draft is the 2nd round.  Multiple experts have said it.  After the first 12-18 picks, picks 19-50 are not all that much apart.  This would give us COUNT THEM, 8 SECOND ROUND PICKS in two years and a pair of firsts next year.  The dynasty is reborn.  With these new slots we could do this.

    #36 RB Jahvid Best - if not for the head and neck injury, he's the first back taken.  He could be this year's Chris Johnson.  If the medical team clears him, what a bargain for us.
    #44 TE Rob Gronkowski - Bigger, faster and a better blocker than Gresham.  If not for his back injury, he would have been the first TE taken.  I know, another medical concern but if he's cleared, another huge steal.
    #48 DE Carlos Dunlap - The value is too great to pass up.  He gets a character clause in his contract.  BB feels the concerns are more about immaturity than him being a bad apple.  Based on production and potential, another first round value.
    #53 OLB Koa Misi - DE but with 34 OLB measureables.  At the right place to take a shot on a conversion type.  He actually played LB in junior college and looked fluid in LB drills at the combine.  Misi appears eager to make the change and is clean off the field. 
    #69 OT Jared Veldheer - A monster OT with speed.  A bit raw but he can learn behind Kazcur for 1-2 years and hopefully he beats him out by 2-3 year.
    #119 WR Jordan Shipley - Not blessed with great speed but is tough, runs great routes, catches everything thrown his way.
    #190 P Zoltan Mesko - With all these late round picks, let's take the best punter in the draft.
    #205 CB Dave Pender - 6-0, 180. 4.37 clean off the field.  Put him on the PS and coach him up.
    #229 OLB Adrian Tracy
    #231 TE Colin Peek
    #247 DT Travis Ivy
    #248 FB Janeson Konz

    #250 WR Kyle Williams - 5-10, 188, 4.40 Became a regular starter as a senior, leading Arizona State with 57 catches for 815 yards and eight touchdowns in 2009 in addition to garnering second-team All-Pac-10 as a punt returner (10.0 yard average). His receiving skills were also on display at the Texas vs. the Nation practices, looking every part of the slot receiver/return specialist teams look for late in the draft.
     
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    faucet,

    I got to think Pioli knows this is a deep draft as well. He like us is trying to fill multiple spots. Although I agree he "owes" us, I doubt that will enter his decision making process as he needs to do what is best for his team. I don't think KC will trade based on your above, but I'll play along for a the sake of this board. 

    So, if this does go down with KC, I like your picks with a few adjustments...

    #36 - Best ...Theoretically, if we did draft Best, we could cut Morris & Taylor and save some case, plus open a roster spot that we could use on Defense. So, I like the idea, but not sure on the guy given his injuries. Like you say, if he checks out, this would be a nice pickup. 
    #44 - Gronkowski...Agree
    #48 - If given the choice of Dunlap or Alualu, I'm taking Alualu. I think he has more versatility as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT. Plus, if we are drafting Misi behind him, I like Alualu in this pick better. 
    #53 Misi...Agree. Like the way this kid plays. 
    #69 Veldheer...Hard to argue quality depth on OL,especially with Mankins situation....
    #119 Shipley...Personally, I would rather see someone like Gettis, Easley or possibly another WR drafted here instead of Shipley. 

    I'm not going to touch the rest of the picks as I think all our 6's and 7's are tradeable less our compensatory picks. 
    Question...Although we have to make compensatory pick, does anyone know if we have to make pick at the slotted spot?...meaning, can we move up or back in same round or if it says, "pick 250" for example, we have to take at 250?

     
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    faucet, I got to think Pioli knows this is a deep draft as well. He like us is trying to fill multiple spots. Although I agree he "owes" us, I doubt that will enter his decision making process as he needs to do what is best for his team. I don't think KC will trade based on your above, but I'll play along for a the sake of this board.  So, if this does go down with KC, I like your picks with a few adjustments... #36 - Best ...Theoretically, if we did draft Best, we could cut Morris & Taylor and save some case, plus open a roster spot that we could use on Defense. So, I like the idea, but not sure on the guy given his injuries. Like you say, if he checks out, this would be a nice pickup.  #44 - Gronkowski...Agree #48 - If given the choice of Dunlap or Alualu, I'm taking Alualu. I think he has more versatility as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT. Plus, if we are drafting Misi behind him, I like Alualu in this pick better.  #53 Misi...Agree. Like the way this kid plays.  #69 Veldheer...Hard to argue quality depth on OL,especially with Mankins situation.... #119 Shipley...Personally, I would rather see someone like Gettis, Easley or possibly another WR drafted here instead of Shipley.  I'm not going to touch the rest of the picks as I think all our 6's and 7's are tradeable less our compensatory picks.  Question...Although we have to make compensatory pick, does anyone know if we have to make pick at the slotted spot?...meaning, can we move up or back in same round or if it says, "pick 250" for example, we have to take at 250?
    Posted by PatsLifer

    Yep we can not do anything with that pick. No trade period. Not in same draft same round etc.

     
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    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Daniel-TeoNesheim-has-visited-Patriots-Eagles.html

    OLB prospect to be worked out, Teo is a strong possibility for the Pats.  He improved his 40 to a 4.63 at 6'3" 263 he certainly has the size to play OLB.  He was a DE so another conversion guy.  As I'm sure everyone else would, I would love to know what they think about him after the work out.  If they think he could be a guy who they can start (IF) do they wait until the 3rd to take this guy.  He's an interesting prospect, played for Washington so I don't know what to make about competition.  Would need to look at what he did against the top programs but in 2009 he had 37 tackles, 14 for losses and 11 sacks ended his career with 30 sacks.

    I know mb and I have been adding him to our mocks now for a while first in the 6th but has been moving up and now I had him in the 4th but could be now the 3rd?  Would love to be a fly on the wall at that workout.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Jermaine Gresham.  Are you saying you'd take one of these guys at #22?  Graham and Gresham may be gone but Sapp and Hughes will be there.  At #44 I'd wager only Sapp has a chance of being there. Who else would you take in the 2nd round?  You mentioned Damian Williams.  So, lets assume we get rid of A. Thomas and add one of these OLBs and a WR.  That gets us to 53 players.  Who else would you take in the 2nd round, and who do you cut to make room?
    Posted by Faucetman

    id cut Sammy Morris, hes great and all, but if we have him and Fred Taylor they r almost identicaly, but Fred is faster, so id cut Sammy, for lets say Damian, or Decker whoever is there, and have you seen this stuff about Dez possibly being there at 22??? thats crazy and id much rather have him!!!
     
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    faucet, I got to think Pioli knows this is a deep draft as well. He like us is trying to fill multiple spots. Although I agree he "owes" us, I doubt that will enter his decision making process as he needs to do what is best for his team. I don't think KC will trade based on your above, but I'll play along for a the sake of this board.  So, if this does go down with KC, I like your picks with a few adjustments... #36 - Best ...Theoretically, if we did draft Best, we could cut Morris & Taylor and save some case, plus open a roster spot that we could use on Defense. So, I like the idea, but not sure on the guy given his injuries. Like you say, if he checks out, this would be a nice pickup.  #44 - Gronkowski...Agree #48 - If given the choice of Dunlap or Alualu, I'm taking Alualu. I think he has more versatility as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT. Plus, if we are drafting Misi behind him, I like Alualu in this pick better.  #53 Misi...Agree. Like the way this kid plays.  #69 Veldheer...Hard to argue quality depth on OL,especially with Mankins situation.... #119 Shipley...Personally, I would rather see someone like Gettis, Easley or possibly another WR drafted here instead of Shipley.  I'm not going to touch the rest of the picks as I think all our 6's and 7's are tradeable less our compensatory picks.  Question...Although we have to make compensatory pick, does anyone know if we have to make pick at the slotted spot?...meaning, can we move up or back in same round or if it says, "pick 250" for example, we have to take at 250?
    Posted by PatsLifer


    Can't argue with your adjustments.  We are already gambling on Best and Gronkowski so go with the safer Alualu instead of Dunlap although hard to pass on a guy who was a top 15 talent a month or so ago.  I like Shipley because he seems like he's just a solid football player who will bust his butt every day, but the idea there was to take best WR available at 119.
     
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    oh and id take Dez or Golden, id rather speed now and not speed later
     
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    Why does everything think Kindle will be a bust?  Do we know how he scored on the Wonderlick?  He seems like he's got the size/speed and pass rushing ability you want from a 34 OLB.  I think we'll likely stay away from anyone at #22 with off the field issues.  TEN reportedly is taking a long look at him.  Maybe they take him at 16.
     
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    IMHO Kindle has all the tools but has a hard time showing it on the field.  He had something like 5 or 6 sacks and 20 QB hurries.  How does one judge a hurry and why didn't he get to the QB?  The hurry stat is the thing that bugs me.  How do you know a hurry and was the hurry credited to the right person.  The ratio between the sack and the hurry are kinda crazy too.  It just looks odd.
     
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    At #22 if any of the below players are there, I think we should use the pick on them.  I'm not including those I think have no chance of slipping this far.  This would be my order of priority.

    Graham
    Iupati
    Mathews
    Gresham
    Pouncey

    If none of these guys are there (and at least one should be) I think we should attempt to trade down.  If we can't trade down I would reluctantly take one of these guys in this order.

    Odrick
    McCourty
    Tate

    I'm just not sold on Odrick as high as #22.  I don't think he's as good as Ty Warren and we already have 6 DL types sure to make the 53 so who do you cut or do you carry 7?  Besides the draft is so loaded at DT that we can pick up better value later on and have almost the same chance that an Alualu, Thomas, Houston, etc can be as good as Odrick.

    McCourty I really like.  He could ultimately end up being the best CB in the draft.  He and Wilson are dynamic in the return game.  Springs and McGowan are likely gone and Wheatley to this point is a bust so we could use some secondary depth.  McCourty could end up beating out the other young CBs and start opposite Bodden.

    I like Tate but let's face it BB has never taken a WR in the first.  If Dez slips to us it would be interesting but again, I doubt we take a player with issues that high.
     
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    My last mock looks like this.

    17SFOG   SS   CB   DT   DE   QB  Mike Iupati
    18PITOT   OG   CB   C   DT   DE   ILB  Maurkice Pouncey
    19ATLOG   DT   OLB   WR   DE   KBrandon Graham
    20HOUOG   RB   DT   CB   OLB   FS   WR  Ryan Mathews
    21CINDE   OLB   OG   DT   FB   TE  Jermaine Gresham


    All 5 of the guys I like near our #22 come off the board right in front of us.  I think we need to make a play to get down to #19 to ensure we can get Graham, Mathews or Gresham.  I would be delighted with any of those 3. 

    Since Atlanta doesn't have a 2nd round pick we swap 22 for 19 and swap our 53 for their 83.  The point value is perfect at 1050 each.  We come out of the first day knowing we found our new passing rushing freak, our future franchise back or a very gifted and dangerous TE for Brady.


    We regroup and on the second day we are sitting at 44, 48 and 83.

     
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    Happy Friday Boys,

     

    Of course it’s only my opinion, but I feel pretty good about this mock and players in it.

     

    It provides and instant upgrade along the DL, some potential offensive weapons at TE/RB/WR, talented depth and size at CB, a good sized OLB with some upside and some intelligent, high motor, high character “football players” in the late rounds. 

     

    You’ll notice some of my “usual suspects” but also a couple of new names to keep things fresh.

     

    Of course there are alternative picks that I think will be on the radar, but I couldn’t fit everyone in.  Players that I like and think are good fits in NE are:

     

    *Added after original post*  WR Golden Tate ND- My thoughts on him are well documented.

     

    LB- AJ Edds Iowa- Extremely versatile, good size speed and quickness, great in coverage.

     

    S- Myron Rolle FSU- Extremely intelligent player which will appeal to BB, also has great athleticism and upside.

     

    WR- Riley Cooper FLA- Great size and quickness, good athleticism, projects as a potential possession WR and red zone target at the NFL level.

     

    * Added after original post* WR- Eric Decker Minnesota- Big, tough, smart WR prospect that has been extremely productive In the Big 10, projects as atleast a #2 WR.

     

    OLB- Koa Misi Utah- Good size, speed and athleticism, projects as a potential 3-4 OLB or maybe ILB, a true “football player”.

     

    DT- Tyson Alualu Cal- High motor, high character DL prospect with good size and versatility.  Could be effective in both a 34 and 43 scheme another “football player”.

     
    Let me know your thoughts. 


    22        DL Jared Odrick- (6-5 300) Penn State-  Possesses ideal size and length for a BB 3-4 DE and has the versatility and skill set to be effective in both a 34 and 43 scheme.  Should be the starter opposite Warren from day 1.

     

    44        TE Aaron Hernandez- (6-2 245) Florida-  Fast, quick, athletic, productive and versatile offensive weapon that BB can move all over the field.

     

    47        RB Toby Gerhart- (6-0 231) Stanford-  The future lead back and fan favorite.  Good quickness and power and is effective as both a pass blocker and receiver out of the backfield.

     

    53        CB Jerome Murphy- (6-0 196) USF-  Big, physical CB prospect with good speed and quickness, good tackler and nose for the ball (8 career INT's, 4 in 2009), experience in both zone and man schemes,  will also provide value on special teams.  You can't have enough quality CB's in todays NFL.

     119      WR Emmanuel Sanders- (5-11 186) SMU- Great speed, quickness and big play ability, was ultra productive in college. 

    190      OLB Daniel Te'o-Nesheim- (6-3 263) Washington-  Great size for a hybrid 3-4 OLB, great motor, high character, good production in college getting after the QB and making plays behind the LOS (30 sacks, 47 TFL).

     

    205      DL Al Woods- (6-4 309) LSU-  Big, thick, strong DL prospect that plays with great leverage and strength at the POA, appears to be good fit as a 34 DE and an ideal 2 down run stuff at the NFL level.

     

    229      OT Chris Marinelli- (6-7 301) Stanford-  Tough, smart, durable OT prospect that plays with a nasty demeanor and will provide some OL depth.

     

    231      WR Kerry Meier- (6-2 224) Kansas-   Extremely smart, high charcter kid with good size and quickness, run's good routes, good production at the college level. 

     

    247      TE Jim Dray- (6-5 246) Stanford-  Good size and projects as a potential two way TE at the NFL level.

     

    248      S Kyle McCarthy- (6-0 205) ND-  Smart kid, good nose for the ball, gym rat, film rat, will do what it takes to get better.

     

    250      LB Matt Mayberry- (6-1 235) Indiana- Plays with a great motor and speed (4.5 40) for a LB, also shows good instincts and a nose for the ball (108 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 3 INT's in 2009).  He should earn a spot on special teams.

     
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    Middle Tennessee State hybrid Chris McCoy will visit the #Patriots next week:  http://bit.ly/cHRr3o
     
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    Decker to visit Patriots -http://b.globe.com/bkLHMo
     
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    Decker to visit Patriots - http://b.globe.com/bkLHMo
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    I like it!  You also reminded me that I needed to add him to the "alternatives" section of my most recent mock.
     
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    Why does everything think Kindle will be a bust?  Do we know how he scored on the Wonderlick?  He seems like he's got the size/speed and pass rushing ability you want from a 34 OLB.  I think we'll likely stay away from anyone at #22 with off the field issues.  TEN reportedly is taking a long look at him.  Maybe they take him at 16.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I don't think he's a bust waiting to happen.

    He is not a "pure" pass rusher like some of the smaller guys but he's a better 3 down(all around player than those guys in my opinion)
     
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    Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I don't think he's a bust waiting to happen. He is not a "pure" pass rusher like some of the smaller guys but he's a better 3 down(all around player than those guys in my opinion)
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I think that's a safe assessment in regards to his pass rush ability. 

    I just watched some tape on Kindle, while his speed and quickness are evident, he doesn't show the ability to consistently disengage from his blocker.  Granted that was Trent Williams the bulk of the time, but that's a good measuring stick.  At this point I don't see him as an impact pass rusher at the NFL level which is what you'd ideally like to get in round 1. It looks like he's trying to bull rush his man all the time with no usage of secondary moves, whether by lack of technique or schematic design, he's not able to disengage and beat his man. I don't think he'll be able to out speed and out athletic guys at the NFL level as he's able to do against a lot of guys in college, that is what I think his problem will be.  Is the speed, quickness and athleticism there?  No doubt.  Can harness all of that natural speed and talent to develop into a quality 3 down backer?  That's TBD.
     
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