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2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    Seems even rookies (Myron Pryor) saw the lack of effort given by some players, he makes it plural so there are a few guys who are probably getting cut.  If this 6th rounder saw that I'm sure the coaching staff will get rid of these guys. As you look ahead, what are your goals for the year? “My top goal is to make it on the team. Second is to be the healthiest, most-in-shape that I can be, because I want to make the best impression for the second year. My third one is focused on team chemistry. I want the team to feel like a team. I’m not saying any names, but I feel like guys didn’t always come together. Some guys, when we did come together, I thought we played helluva ball. That’s the third goal -- you saw half the guys ready, and the other half ... we need that team chemistry. It’s not just from a personal goal, but an overall team goal, because I care about my teammates.” http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4677071/myron-pryor-eyes-improvement-in-10
    Posted by Pats7393

    Holy crap, Pryor said this? This chemistry thing must be worse than I thought in that locker room. A new guy coming out and saying that is really surprising and telling to me.

    If I had to guess who the trouble guys he was talking about I'd have to say; merriweather, adalios thomas, guyton, burgess, mcgowan. Maybe more, maybe less. Something needs to be done. Hope we get some high character guys in the draft to build off of. 
     
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    And I believe Brady plays until he can't walk. I think he'll play as long as Brett Favre, without all the annoying stunts. I also think he'll take a cap friendly deal just like he did 6 years ago. 

    Guys like Brady are rare. More rare than a successful college QB from Florida college who is being hyped greater than his talent (Tebow, Wuerfull, Dorsey, Weinke). Please realize how special Brady is, before he gets PO'ed about how his fans are looking to find Brady 2.0 in a guy who has a goofy motion, isn't accurate, and will need at least two years to develop. 



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    I just got up, wow, what was I drinking last night, lol?  I still think, however, that the Pats may take Tebow at #22 if the other players they covet are gone and they can't trade down.  I understand all the love for Brady, he's worth the $18-20MM, not questioning that.  I think the Pats will try to lock him up for the rest of his career 3-4 years, but I'm not certain it will get done now because of the uncertain labor situation.  So, I think the back up plan is to tag Brady in 2011 and pay the $14-15MM, whatever it is.  Brady turns 33 before this season starts so he will be 34 before the 2011 season.  This brings us to 2012.  Do we still want to extend Brady at $18-20MM when he's 35?  I think not.  If Brady is still playing at a high level we go ahead and tag him again and he earns 20% more than his 2011 tag which would be about $18MM.  Heading into 2013 season Brady is now 36.  I truly think that will be it either as a starter or in New England.  As much as it pains me, I can see him playing a few more years in SF or OAK or somewhere close to home. So, given the above, it is not a bad idea to draft Tebow (EVEN AT 22) if BB believes Tebow will become an elite QB.  There is every reason to believe that Tebow will succeed and play at a high level.  He has all the intangibles, he's a proven winner on a pretty big stage already.  You give him 2-3 years to study under Tom Brady in our system how can anyone suggest Tebow will be a bust?  I'm not betting against him.  In the short term, we work him into the offense as an H back, or Wildcat or just let him close out games when we are up big.  There is no pressure, he'll have the best teachers in TB and BB and time to further develop.  Good things come to those that work hard and Tebow is that kind of kid. We all know we should carry 3 QBs and Hoyer isn't Brady's future replacement.  Again if BB believes in Tebow, I think he takes him.  I don't see Tebow getting out of the first round with teams like ARI and MIN at the bottom of the round who won't get another crack at him.  Especially MIN with a pretty darn good roster, they can afford to spend a late first on their future QB.  But if Tebow does get out of the first, he's quickly taken by low picking 2nd round teams like CLE or BUF assuming they pass on Clausen (who looked good yesterday). I stand by my prediction (AGAIN, THIS ISN'T WHAT I'D DO) so Critter and you others who are building summer homes in Maine (I lived there for 30 years, BTW), faucets are on me if I'm wrong.  I hope I am wrong. Okay, I've finished my sermon for the day - where did I put my Motrin?
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Is there anyway Wilson drops to 22?  I don't think there's any way specially with Houston sitting at 20 but anyone see a scenario he does?   Only one I can think off is if Haden falls to TN and Houston goes with McCorty over Wilson but that's a lot of ifs.
    Posted by Pats7393


    Houston also loves Mathews.  I think SF takes a CB with one of their two firsts, likely Haden if JAX doesn't take him.  Yes, I could see Wilson slipping to us if Houston takes Mathews.  If Houston takes Wilson instead that slips Mathews to us and he's a player I would strongly consider at #22.

    Don't we need to address RB in this draft?  Seriously, with 3 RBs over 33 (2 of which own timeshares at Mass General) and all 5 having contracts that expire after 2010.  If Mathews is there at #22 how can we pass on him?  He's got the size, speed, and hands to be a featured back.  I don't see Maroney getting a new contract based on his performance to date.  I'd rather take Mathews than Tebow!!  RBs are usually the most ready to come in and contribute right away so why not?

    However, SD is also rumored to be in love with Mathews.  They want to come out of 28 and 40 with a DT and future franchise back.  There are plenty of DTs available with 23 drafteable ones in this draft.  SD really needs a NT so they will probably take Cody at 40, so they need to move up for Mathews.  The cost to do so is their 3rd round pick, #92.  Since we don't have a 3rd, we gladly move down to 28.

    I would not be shocked if we took Devin McCourty at #28 if we moved down.  He would make an immediate impact on special teams and I could see him competing with Butler, Wheatley and Wilhite.  Springs is likely cut so there will be an opening there.  This would not be a bad scenario.

    #28 CB/KR Devin McCourty
    #44 TE Rob Gronkowski
    #48 OLB Koa Misi
    #53 RB Ben Tate
    #92 ILB Brandon Spikes
    #119 WR Andre Roberts

    We have 6 quality DTs, all assured of making the roster.  I think we add a couple in the late rounds but there is no replacement for Seymour in this draft and Odrick I don't believe is even as good as Warren.
     
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Holy crap, Pryor said this? This chemistry thing must be worse than I thought in that locker room. A new guy coming out and saying that is really surprising and telling to me. If I had to guess who the trouble guys he was talking about I'd have to say; merriweather, adalios thomas, guyton, burgess, mcgowan. Maybe more, maybe less. Something needs to be done. Hope we get some high character guys in the draft to build off of. 
    Posted by mthurl


    Wow.  I too am surprised by the comments but hey, great.  Pryor sounds like a leader and we were missing those last year.  Obviously "Adios" Thomas and McGowan seem to be cancers.  Didn't Butler exhibit some issues too?  I hadn't heard that Meriweather and Guyton were trouble.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Holy crap, Pryor said this? This chemistry thing must be worse than I thought in that locker room. A new guy coming out and saying that is really surprising and telling to me. If I had to guess who the trouble guys he was talking about I'd have to say; merriweather, adalios thomas, guyton, burgess, mcgowan. Maybe more, maybe less. Something needs to be done. Hope we get some high character guys in the draft to build off of. 
    Posted by mthurl


    Pryor is a good guy, I absolutely hope we get rid of those bums.  They all know who they are and Pryor did a good job calling them out.  
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Wow.  I too am surprised by the comments but hey, great.  Pryor sounds like a leader and we were missing those last year.  Obviously "Adios" Thomas and McGowan seem to be cancers.  Didn't Butler exhibit some issues too?  I hadn't heard that Meriweather and Guyton were trouble.
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    I think Meri was just a lack of concern after people scored on him and the team.  Although guys always say forget that play get the next I don't think they mean after you get burned just go off the field laughing and joking. 

    I am very happy to see a 6th round rookie call people out, I'm sure they know who he was referring to.  I think Corvin will fix some of the problems with the secondary attitude, IMO that's what he was brought in for.  Teach those guys how to play the game.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Houston also loves Mathews.  I think SF takes a CB with one of their two firsts, likely Haden if JAX doesn't take him.  Yes, I could see Wilson slipping to us if Houston takes Mathews.  If Houston takes Wilson instead that slips Mathews to us and he's a player I would strongly consider at #22. Don't we need to address RB in this draft?  Seriously, with 3 RBs over 33 (2 of which own timeshares at Mass General) and all 5 having contracts that expire after 2010.  If Mathews is there at #22 how can we pass on him?  He's got the size, speed, and hands to be a featured back.  I don't see Maroney getting a new contract based on his performance to date.  I'd rather take Mathews than Tebow!!  RBs are usually the most ready to come in and contribute right away so why not? However, SD is also rumored to be in love with Mathews.  They want to come out of 28 and 40 with a DT and future franchise back.  There are plenty of DTs available with 23 drafteable ones in this draft.  SD really needs a NT so they will probably take Cody at 40, so they need to move up for Mathews.  The cost to do so is their 3rd round pick, #92.  Since we don't have a 3rd, we gladly move down to 28. I would not be shocked if we took Devin McCourty at #28 if we moved down.  He would make an immediate impact on special teams and I could see him competing with Butler, Wheatley and Wilhite.  Springs is likely cut so there will be an opening there.  This would not be a bad scenario. #28 CB/KR Devin McCourty #44 TE Rob Gronkowski #48 OLB Koa Misi #53 RB Ben Tate #92 ILB Brandon Spikes #119 WR Andre Roberts We have 6 quality DTs, all assured of making the roster.  I think we add a couple in the late rounds but there is no replacement for Seymour in this draft and Odrick I don't believe is even as good as Warren.  
    Posted by Faucetman

    I strongly disagree with taking a corner.  We have Leigh Bodden locked up long term and I feel we should give Butler another year or two before we take a corner in the 1st two rounds again.  Last year was different since we really didn't have any corners locked up long term.

     
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    You could be right. If they pick him at 22 and you hear a loud thud noise....That's me landing on my patio, after I've thrown myself off my roof. HaHaHa!

    Oh god please don't let this happen, this is the type of move Belicheck loves to make. A value play for the future, but what about right now? We need players all over the place.

    I know this sounds crazy, but I go all in and move up for Suh. He's that good and would make this defense better right away. To me he's better than Seymore was coming out of Georgia and is a perfect fit for this team. You can't have one dominant lineman (Wilfork) and expect to win deep in the playoffs. This team used to have 4 to 5 outstanding guys up front; Seymore, wilfork, warren, McGinest.
     
    Warren is someone who I don't count on anymore to make plays, Seymore is gone, no one that has the skill set of McGinest or Vrabel for that matter. It's been alot of smoke and mirrors the past couple of years.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I strongly disagree with taking a corner.  We have Leigh Bodden locked up long term and I feel we should give Butler another year or two before we take a corner in the 1st two rounds again.  Last year was different since we really didn't have any corners locked up long term.
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    You need to have more than two corners, with WRs getting bigger stronger and faster you can have guys in a team who are 4th in the depth chart but really have #2 type ability.  You need to have CBs who can stay with those guys.  I don't have a warm fuzzy going into the season with Bodden Butler and then who? The Ws? Springs? yes with an improved pass rush our secondary is better but you need those two guys can't cover 4 or 5 guys at a time if teams spread them out.

    I think it should be a priority, adding a solid CB like Wilson or McCorty even some of the guys in the 2nd should be considered and one drafted.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I think Meri was just a lack of concern after people scored on him and the team.  Although guys always say forget that play get the next I don't think they mean after you get burned just go off the field laughing and joking.  I am very happy to see a 6th round rookie call people out, I'm sure they know who he was referring to.  I think Corvin will fix some of the problems with the secondary attitude, IMO that's what he was brought in for.  Teach those guys how to play the game.
    Posted by Pats7393


    I went to a couple of games this year and I was shocked at how both Merriweather and Guyton acted between plays during commercial breaks on the field. The two of them danced and bee bopped to the stadium music right up until the play started. You'd think two pretty inexperienced players would be trying to concentrate on how the defense should be lined up or how the offense was shifting, rather than looking like you're at a night club in the middle of a nfl game. My wife, who had never been to a game before thought it was funny and cool how these two were clowning around. Like, look at them, they're having such a good time. Then the ball was snapped...Pass goes right over Guytons head and Merriweather misses the tackle, first down!  
     
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    I really don't understand all the hype regarding Tebow. Why is he even close to worth the #22 pick? What quarterbacking skills does he have that makes you think he can take over for Brady at some point? Is it that article that says he's a better quarterback than Peyton Manning at this point in his career? If you just want to use numbers, Kliff Kingsbury would be the best NFL prospect a couple of years back. I just doubt Tebow has the upside to be a good NFL player. He was perfect fit for college, which makes it easier to be a leader. He's not going to be a leader as a back up QB. You earn leadership by playing. Maybe he has the potential to grow as a leader, but he won't enter as one on the Patriots. Please give me some tangible skills why Tebow should be a first round pick. For instance, Graham has the ability to get to the QB while D Thomas would be able to stretch the field. What would Tebow bring? I would argue physically he has no plus physical attributes as a QB, and I would stay away from him. I would be very disappointed if they took Tebow in any round. Less publicized guys like Cassel and Hoyer are out there in this draft, and they are certainly more talented QB prospects that Tebow.  In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 :
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    Everyone said Doug Flutie was too short to be an NFL quarterback too.  Physically, Tebow is a much better athlete than Brady.  Tebow runs a 4.7 40, has a 38-1/2 vertical.  What did Brady do at the Combine, anyone remember?

    At the 2000 N.F.L. scouting combine, Brady ran the 40 in 5.23 seconds, recorded a vertical jump of 24 ½ inches and saw a column of quarterbacks leap ahead of him on teams’ draft lists.


    Tebow needs to work on his throwing motion, his footwork when under center, 3, 5, 7 step drops, and his reads.  These are all correctable especially when you work your butt off and have time to learn.  I'm not advocating we take him, I'm saying we might if BB believes he can't extend Brady more than 3 years and if he believes Tebow will be successful.  Don't be shocked if we take him, I won't be.  Disappointed, yes, but not shocked.

    You are acting like Tebow is a bum because a few idiots knocked his throwing motion, which by all accounts improved dramatically at his pro day.  Let's look at his accomplishments.

    National Champion Tim Tebow was the first college football player to both rush and pass for twenty or more touchdowns in a single season and was the first college sophomore to win the Heisman.  As a college sophomore during the 2007 season, he became the Gators' starting quarterback and broke the SEC records for both rushing touchdowns and total touchdowns accounted for in a single season.  In addition to winning the Heisman Trophy, he also earned the Maxwell Award as the nation's top football player becoming the only player in history to win the award TWICE, the Davey O'Brien Award as the nation's best quarterback, and the James E. Sullivan Award as the nation's most outstanding amateur athlete in any sport.

    College awards and honors

    2006 season

    2007 season

    Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Player of the Week[71]

    2008 season

    2009 season

    You're right rockdog, Tebow's a bum and will be a bust in the NFL.

     
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    I'm not discounting his COLLEGE accomplishments. What were Matt Cassel's college accomplishments? Why did they draft Cassel? Because he has a big, strong armed quarterback who they thought they could develop. HE HAD THE NATURAL TOOLS SO THEY TOOK A SHOT. I content that Tebow doesn't have the natural tools. He's a freakin qb and he doesn't throw the ball well. Brady had a great motion coming out of Michigan, but he needed to improve his strength. He had incredible pocket presence, which is a tough thing to scout. Tebow has neither.

    Tebow is not from a NFL system. Alex Smith sure make a good transition from Meyer's offense to the NFL. Maybe Meyer's offense naturally make college QB's look good. On no, Tebow is different because he has heart. I mean, this guy is William Wallace. Single handedly wins all the big games while showing his teammates the way to a better life.

    You guys are exhibiting herd mentality. This is how stock market bubbles happen. People get overenthusiastic about something (be it an NFL prospect or a market) and people lose sight of the fundamental value of something. Tebow was anywhere from round 2-6, now he's looking round 1. What happened:

    1) Belichick dinner
    2) McShay gets a hard-on for Tebow because Tebow talked with him on his pro0day. McShay reported that he showed some improvement but still exhibited bad habits while running.
    3) Dmitroff spoke highly of Tebow.
    4) Tebow's dad thinks he'll go top 15.

    I don't think any of this hype changes the fact Tebow doesn't have the arm or accuracy of an NFL QB. And, all this talk about how Tebow will work his butt off to improve makes me wonder why he waited until after the Senior Bowl to fix his flawed motion. Hmmmm. 

    He may run a 4.7, but it looked like he was running in mud at the senior bowl. And don't think he'll be a good runner in the NFL. He doesn't seems too quick or shifty, and he's not going to outrun anyone with a 4.7. I'd rather have a QB who has a good pocket presence. I

    Faucet, I'm not trying to be an a $$ but I really don't see Tebow developing. I may be wrong, but I feel strongly about this. I'm willing to bet $$ that this guy turns into nothing (meaning he won't be an NFL starter in 3 years). How much does a faucet installation cost? I'll bet you that $$ that he won't be a starting NFL qb in three or 4 years. 





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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Everyone said Doug Flutie was too short to be an NFL quarterback too.  Physically, Tebow is a much better athlete than Brady.  Tebow runs a 4.7 40, has a 38-1/2 vertical.  What did Brady do at the Combine, anyone remember? At the 2000 N.F.L. scouting combine, Brady ran the 40 in 5.23 seconds, recorded a vertical jump of 24 ½ inches and saw a column of quarterbacks leap ahead of him on teams’ draft lists. Tebow needs to work on his throwing motion, his footwork when under center, 3, 5, 7 step drops, and his reads.  These are all correctable especially when you work your butt off and have time to learn.  I'm not advocating we take him, I'm saying we might if BB believes he can't extend Brady more than 3 years and if he believes Tebow will be successful.  Don't be shocked if we take him, I won't be.  Disappointed, yes, but not shocked. You are acting like Tebow is a bum because a few idiots knocked his throwing motion, which by all accounts improved dramatically at his pro day.  Let's look at his accomplishments. National Champion Tim Tebow was the first college football player to both rush and pass for twenty or more touchdowns in a single season and was the first college sophomore to win the Heisman.  As a college sophomore during the 2007 season, he became the Gators' starting quarterback and broke the SEC records for both rushing touchdowns and total touchdowns accounted for in a single season.  In addition to winning the Heisman Trophy, he also earned the Maxwell Award as the nation's top football player becoming the only player in history to win the award TWICE, the Davey O'Brien Award as the nation's best quarterback, and the James E. Sullivan Award as the nation's most outstanding amateur athlete in any sport. College awards and honors 2006 season SEC All-Freshman Team [ 69 ] SEC Freshman of the Week [ 70 ] 2007 season Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Player of the Week [ 71 ] Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week, three times [ 72 ] [ 73 ] [ 74 ] Davey O'Brien Award winner [ 75 ] Heisman Trophy winner Maxwell Award winner [ 75 ] Walter Camp Award finalist [ 76 ] Sporting News Player of the Year Harley Award winner NCAA QB of the Year [ 77 ] ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American football team [ 78 ] Manning Award finalist [ 78 ] Rivals.com National Offensive Player of the Year [ 79 ] Rivals.com SEC Offensive Player of the Year [ 80 ] First-team All-SEC ( Associated Press , [ 81 ] Coaches, [ 82 ] Rivals.com [ 80 ] ) Associated Press SEC Offensive Player of the Year [ 81 ] Associated Press Player of the Year [ 83 ] First-team All-American by: Associated Press , Football Writers Association of America , Walter Camp Football Foundation , Sporting News , Sports Illustrated , ESPN , CBS Sports , College Football News , Rivals.com , and Scout.com James E. Sullivan Award , awarded to the Nations top amateur athlete [ 84 ] Roy F. Kramer SEC Male Athlete of the Year. [ 85 ] Third Florida Gator to win this award, Danny Wuerffel (won twice) and Ryan Lochte . ESPY for Best Male College Athlete [ 86 ] 2008 season First-team All-America by College Football News . Disney Spirit Award [ 87 ] ESPY for Best Male College Athlete Heisman Trophy finalist Manning Award winner Maxwell Award winner Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week [ 88 ] 2008 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player First-team All-SEC (AP, [ 89 ] Coaches, [ 90 ] Rivals.com [ 91 ] ) Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Year Southeastern Conference Scholar-Athlete of the Year [ 92 ] Wuerffel Trophy winner 2009 season William V. Campbell Trophy (formerly the Vincent dePaul Draddy Trophy, "The Academic Heisman") winner Lowe's Senior CLASS Award Heisman Trophy finalist First-team All-SEC (AP, [ 93 ] Coaches, [ 94 ] Rivals.com [ 95 ] ) Second-team All-America ( Walter Camp Foundation ) Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Year You're right rockdog, Tebow's a bum and will be a bust in the NFL.
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I strongly disagree with taking a corner.  We have Leigh Bodden locked up long term and I feel we should give Butler another year or two before we take a corner in the 1st two rounds again.  Last year was different since we really didn't have any corners locked up long term.
    Posted by titletownfan


    It isn't Leigh Bodden I'm worried about.  It's the 3 clowns on the other side.  McCourty would make an immediate impact on Special Teams, an area that was weak last year and will be this year without Welker unless we do something.  If we don't get McCourty, I'd be happy with McCluster.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I do agree that there is plenty of risk, though I'd be more prone to take a chance/risk on a kid like Tebow than a kid like Dunlap.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Agreed. He's got much more upside than downside and you love to see a kid like this make it in the NFL; a hard worker, a smart kid, a Chistrian I believe and, by all accounts, just an all around good guy. 

    If any coach and system can mold him into an NFL QB, its BB and the Pats and I'd love to see him here. I'm just saying that we have crucial needs to be filled with  those top 4 picks and I'm not sure if we can afford to spend one of them on a guy who's not likely to produce for 2-3 years. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : You could be right. If they pick him at 22 and you hear a loud thud noise....That's me landing on my patio, after I've thrown myself off my roof. HaHaHa! Oh god please don't let this happen, this is the type of move Belicheck loves to make. A value play for the future, but what about right now? We need players all over the place. I know this sounds crazy, but I go all in and move up for Suh. He's that good and would make this defense better right away. To me he's better than Seymore was coming out of Georgia and is a perfect fit for this team. You can't have one dominant lineman (Wilfork) and expect to win deep in the playoffs. This team used to have 4 to 5 outstanding guys up front; Seymore, wilfork, warren, McGinest.   Warren is someone who I don't count on anymore to make plays, Seymore is gone, no one that has the skill set of McGinest or Vrabel for that matter. It's been alot of smoke and mirrors the past couple of years.
    Posted by mthurl


    I'd go all in for Suh too.  We'd have to move up to #2.  I'd offer #22, #44, our 6th and two 7s, 2011 Raiders pick and Adios Thomas if DET would do it.  But BB would never make a move this bold.  He'd draft Tebow though.

     
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    McCluster was one of the first guys I advocated bringing in. I was shocked when his combine 40 was so slow, but he improved that. Not that it mattered, because on film he is lights out quick.  The only thing that worries me is his size. He was hidden in college. They wanted to use him sparingly because he is very, very small. I mean, small on the order that just isn't seen in the NFL. 
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    Dexter McCluster - 5-9, 172
    DeSean Jackson - 5-10, 175

    Worked out pretty good for the Eagles.
     
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    I'm not discounting his COLLEGE accomplishments. What were Matt Cassel's college accomplishments? Why did they draft Cassel? Because he has a big, strong armed quarterback who they thought they could develop. HE HAD THE NATURAL TOOLS SO THEY TOOK A SHOT. I content that Tebow doesn't have the natural tools. He's a freakin qb and he doesn't throw the ball well. Brady had a great motion coming out of Michigan, but he needed to improve his strength. He had incredible pocket presence, which is a tough thing to scout. Tebow has neither. Tebow is not from a NFL system. Alex Smith sure make a good transition from Meyer's offense to the NFL. Maybe Meyer's offense naturally make college QB's look good. On no, Tebow is different because he has heart. I mean, this guy is William Wallace. Single handedly wins all the big games while showing his teammates the way to a better life. You guys are exhibiting herd mentality. This is how stock market bubbles happen. People get overenthusiastic about something (be it an NFL prospect or a market) and people lose sight of the fundamental value of something. Tebow was anywhere from round 2-6, now he's looking round 1. What happened: 1) Belichick dinner 2) McShay gets a hard-on for Tebow because Tebow talked with him on his pro0day. McShay reported that he showed some improvement but still exhibited bad habits while running. 3) Dmitroff spoke highly of Tebow. 4) Tebow's dad thinks he'll go top 15. I don't think any of this hype changes the fact Tebow doesn't have the arm or accuracy of an NFL QB. And, all this talk about how Tebow will work his butt off to improve makes me wonder why he waited until after the Senior Bowl to fix his flawed motion. Hmmmm.  He may run a 4.7, but it looked like he was running in mud at the senior bowl. And don't think he'll be a good runner in the NFL. He doesn't seems too quick or shifty, and he's not going to outrun anyone with a 4.7. I'd rather have a QB who has a good pocket presence. I Faucet, I'm not trying to be an a $$ but I really don't see Tebow developing. I may be wrong, but I feel strongly about this. I'm willing to bet $$ that this guy turns into nothing (meaning he won't be an NFL starter in 3 years). How much does a faucet installation cost? I'll bet you that $$ that he won't be a starting NFL qb in three or 4 years.  In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 :
    Posted by Rockdog1293000


    I shouldn't have brought the Tebow discussion up again, I'm frankly sick of it and I AGREE THAT WE SHOULDN'T DRAFT HIM.  I must have said that 1000 times and I've never included him in my mocks.  There are experts on both sides of the debate.  Personally I'd side with Gruden and Dungy over Kiper any day.  Kiper is an idiot and not worth listening to anymore.

    2010 NFL Draft

    After passing on the 2009 NFL Draft for his senior season at Florida, Tebow will automatically enter the 2010 NFL Draft. Despite his college success, Tebow's NFL potential is much debated. According to former Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden, he could "revolutionize" the pro game. Says Gruden: "Tim Tebow is 250 pounds, and he's the strongest human being that's ever played the position. He can throw well enough at any level."[97] Former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said he would pick Tebow with a top 10 pick, and would take him over any quarterback in the 2010 draft.[98] On the other hand, NFL analyst Mel Kiper, Jr. believes Tebow does not have the intangibles to play quarterback in the NFL. "I don't think he can be a fulltime quarterback. I don't think he can be the quarterback of the future for you, but I do think in the third round, maybe the second round, he'll be the same as Pat White," said Kiper.[99]

     
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    Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

    I contend you don't pick either risk. They need to look for sure things that can contribute, and I'm sure there are guys that'll be able to help immediately if this draft really is heavy in first round talent.


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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Agreed. He's got much more upside than downside and you love to see a kid like this make it in the NFL; a hard worker, a smart kid, a Chistrian I believe and, by all accounts, just an all around good guy.  If any coach and system can mold him into an NFL QB, its BB and the Pats and I'd love to see him here. I'm just saying that we have crucial needs to be filled with  those top 4 picks and I'm not sure if we can afford to spend one of them on a guy who's not likely to produce for 2-3 years. 
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    I still hope we dont get Tebow and pray we dont trade all that for Suh.  Suh is great for sure, but not as great as the players that we would get with all those picks.  Wait till next years draft when we have that sweet Oak pick and then tell me if Suh would have been worth it with all the holes we would have had. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I'd go all in for Suh too.  We'd have to move up to #2.  I'd offer #22, #44, our 6th and two 7s, 2011 Raiders pick and Adios Thomas if DET would do it.  But BB would never make a move this bold.  He'd draft Tebow though.
    Posted by Faucetman

    Honestly it would probably take more than that unfortunetly. Detriot needs a player like this as much as we do. Suh would certainly make any defensive players we draft look better, as well as the guys currently on the team. 
     
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    Back to reality.

    #22 DE/OLB Brandon Graham - move up to 19 if we have to.  We have a solid 43 DL today.  Adding Graham gives us the edge rusher we need.  Assuming we stay a base 34 team we are still in the nickel and 4 DL sets enough where Graham will make an impact.  If he can play a little 34 OLB, so much the better but the value is there even if he isn't stellar at OLB.  Replacing Seymour isn't in the cards this year and I would not spend another top pick on the DL this year.

    #44 OLB Daryl Washington - This move make our transition to 43 complete or at least gives our nickel and sub packages a big boost on the outside.  We now have perhaps the fastest and most athletic LB corps anywhere.

    #48 TE Rob Gronkowski - If he clears medical, he's the best TE in the draft.  With Welker on the shelf, gives Brady a big target to work the middle.

    #53 WR/RB Dexter McCluster - I just think he's a must have player.  Adds depth at WR (especially in the slot), RB and overnight he bolsters the return game.  Just a special player that is quicker than he is fast.  Makes people miss.  Give him 10-12 touches a game and he will be electric.  Love him.

    #119 FS Kam Chancellor - With McGowan a cancer in the locker room and now with questions about Meriweather's character there is a need at Safety.  At this point you draft for depth, not for starters.  I also like Andre Roberts here.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Yeah, did you ever watch McCluster play?  Comparing him to a wideout doesn't work -- he was not extremely effective as a slot guy. He is a 3rd down back. There is an ocean between the two as to what you can expect. If you are drafting DM as a WR, you draft him day two, because he was spotty (and that is generous) at WR in the SEC. If you are drafting him as a 3rd down back, you accept the risk. And having watched him burn the Tigers a few times, I can say it is worth the risk. Vice versa . . .  If you put Jackson in the backfield for the rest of his career he would get decimated. Just last season he touched the ball more than Jackson has in his two years in the NFL. And that was in heavy, large traffic that Jackson doesn't see.  That isn't a reason to NOT pick DM, but it is a factor to be thought about.  
    Posted by zbellino

    I watched a lot of DM last year.  I'd take him first and foremost to replace Welker as Punt Returner and perhaps Kick Returner if he shows that he's better than Brandon Tate.

    I wouldn't use him as a 3rd down back just yet.  I think that role still belongs to Faulk.  But I would put DM in the backfield or the slot, put him in motion, use him on screens and end arounds.  I think you find a way to put him in space and get him the ball.  I would NEVER run him between the tackles, you'd get him killed.  Give him 10 touches a game on offense and handle the bulk of your punt and kick returns.  I bet he'd give you 1,000 all purpose yards and that is very good value to spend #53 on IMO.

    My comparison to Jackson is he was a top 20 pick a few months before the draft.  Then all the "experts" starting knocking his size and even as a WR the concern was durability.  Jackson slipped all the way down to #49.  There are a lot of big S and CBs out there and a little guy like Jackson could get killed just as easily down the field as DM would running the ball.  But again, as a back I'd use him more on screens, reverses, as a decoy, etc.
     
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    Faulk talk
    If Tebow becomes a Patriot, running back Kevin Faulk won’t have a problem with it.

    “He’s a winner — that’s all I got to say,’’ Faulk said. “Who doesn’t want a winner on their team?’’

    Yesterday, Faulk took a break from his offseason workouts to meet with reporters. As he enters his 12th season with the Patriots, he can appreciate what it means to spend his entire career with one team.

     
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    Back to reality. #22 DE/OLB Brandon Graham - move up to 19 if we have to.  We have a solid 43 DL today.  Adding Graham gives us the edge rusher we need.  Assuming we stay a base 34 team we are still in the nickel and 4 DL sets enough where Graham will make an impact.  If he can play a little 34 OLB, so much the better but the value is there even if he isn't stellar at OLB.  Replacing Seymour isn't in the cards this year and I would not spend another top pick on the DL this year. #44 OLB Daryl Washington - This move make our transition to 43 complete or at least gives our nickel and sub packages a big boost on the outside.  We now have perhaps the fastest and most athletic LB corps anywhere. #48 TE Rob Gronkowski - If he clears medical, he's the best TE in the draft.  With Welker on the shelf, gives Brady a big target to work the middle. #53 WR/RB Dexter McCluster - I just think he's a must have player.  Adds depth at WR (especially in the slot), RB and overnight he bolsters the return game.  Just a special player that is quicker than he is fast.  Makes people miss.  Give him 10-12 touches a game and he will be electric.  Love him. #119 FS Kam Chancellor - With McGowan a cancer in the locker room and now with questions about Meriweather's character there is a need at Safety.  At this point you draft for depth, not for starters.  I also like Andre Roberts here.
    Posted by Faucetman


    If we do transition to a 4-3 I would propose this:

    #22 Sean Witherspoon-OLB
    A team leader, exactly what the Pats lacked last year.  Strong and talented he may vey well be the best LB after Rolando McClain in one of the deepest drafts in years.  If we make the transition, he is an absolute must have.
    #44 Carlos Dunlap-DE
    Yes, the character issues are there but remember, he's only 20.  How many of us were totally mature at age 20, not many.  Dunlap has tremendous talent and would be the pass rushing presense we need at DE to make the transition complete. He may not be there at this point, but people like him have slipped in the past.
    #47 Rob Gronkowski-TE 
    If he stays healthy, he's a steal.  The best all-around TE in the draft and a good target for Brady to throw to.
    #53 Toby Gerhart-HB
    The pound it out back we need.  The Pats could not run the ball to churn time last year and it cost them.  Gerhart is the solution to that and will play the role of a goal-line back, as Maroney fumbled too much.  This allows us to cut Sammy Morris.
    #119 Andre Roberts-WR
    Tough and fills a need at WR.  A great pick at this spot-tremendous value.
     
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    " Back to reality " huh , LOL. Seriously man trying to justify taking Tebow at 22 makes you look like an uneducated fan. Sorry Im not trying to be a di ck , but the guy couldnt play the position in college , hes miles away from being pro-ready. Watching him in college made me laugh thinking of him trying to pick up Lebeau's blitz packages. No way he gets away w/ running like that in the pros either. He reminds me of a bigger , stronger Matt Cassell. Anyway... Ive been saying we need to seriously address the S position all year, especially in todays game. The PATS have so many needs that they can almost go best available IMHO. Id wait on OLB until the second round , none of these guys blows me away enough. But I love all as second rounders , there really isnt much of a difference between Hughes and Graham or Bowman/Kindle. I think we need some real playmakers , Im all for trading up to grab one. Jacksonville is looking/dying to trade out of the 10 spot. Their selling lemonade on the side to make rent. Id love to grab a Haden , McClain , Berry or " my boy " Thomas. I can see a scenerio where Berry falls to ten. I have 2 QB's , maybe 3 DT's , 3-4 T's , going in the top ten. The PATS are one of the teams that love to use their S's interchangeably and the guys we have now dont cut it IMHO. Berry/Thomas are both hawks , can/will/like to hit/tackle , I actually think Thomas is a lil' better than Berry there , and both are versatile enough to play anywhere in the secondary. Most importantly they both have the smarts/FBI to diagnose and read play before they happen.
     
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