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    Pouncing visited Patriots http://bit.ly/dm2dak
     
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    Pats to work out a 6'8" 322lb OT

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Patriots-to-work-out-Richmond.html
     
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    Brandon Spikes is gonna be the steal of the draft, hes gonna be taken in the late second or early 3rd round and hes gonna be a monster at the next level
     
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    If Brandon Graham, Jared Odrick AND Dez Bryant are all on the board at #22 who are you taking? ...and Why?
     
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    Hmmm. Belichick didn't have dinner with him in the north end? Nobody knew about the meeting until know? He must not be interested....

    (Heavy sarcasm of course)

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    Graham without a doubt.


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    If Brandon Graham, Jared Odrick AND Dez Bryant are all on the board at #22 who are you taking? ...and Why?
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    If Brandon Graham, Jared Odrick AND Dez Bryant are all on the board at #22 who are you taking? ...and Why?
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    Dez Bryant. 
    Reasonable substitutes for Graham and Odrick can be found later in the draft.  Dez Bryant will play out of his mind to prove people wrong in the first three years at least.  Once Bryant makes to his first Pro Bowl, he will be all trouble.
     
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    Graham without a doubt. In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 :
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    I am only curious as to your reasoning. I think it would be a difficult decision.

    Do you compare Graham to LaMarr Woodley like many have suggested? Many have compared Bryant to Moss. Which one impacts the game more? Moss or Woodley? 

    Is Bryant too much of a psycho? 

    Where is the bigger drop off in talent between #22 and #44? DE? OLB? or WR? Of course if you are talking about Bryant it's more like saying drop off from top 5 to #44.

    Is Odrick not even a consideration even though he's in the trenches?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Dez Bryant.  Reasonable substitutes for Graham and Odrick can be found later in the draft.  Dez Bryant will play out of his mind to prove people wrong in the first three years at least.  Once Bryant makes to his first Pro Bowl, he will be all trouble.
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    Thanks for providing your reasons...
     
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    Bryant is too risky, and wouldn't fit in on the Patriots. They want guys at meetings on time, and Bryant is a ditz who get by on natural talent who forgot cleats to his pro-day. He doesn't deserve his talent. He should give some to Tebow.

    I'm scared of Odrick because he's from Penn St, and question whether he has the strength to play a 3-4 end.

    Graham plays to his potential but still has room to grow. He routinely beat OT's very easily during the season and during the senior bowl. He could be a dominant edge rusher and DE or OLB depending on the defense the Pats play. I'm also confident he can set the edge, as many of his highlights show it's extremely hard to move him. 


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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I am only curious as to your reasoning. I think it would be a difficult decision. Do you compare Graham to LaMarr Woodley like many have suggested? Many have compared Bryant to Moss. Which one impacts the game more? Moss or Woodley?  Is Bryant too much of a psycho?  Where is the bigger drop off in talent between #22 and #44? DE? OLB? or WR? Of course if you are talking about Bryant it's more like saying drop off from top 5 to #44. Is Odrick not even a consideration even though he's in the trenches?
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    I think all those position are deep for two rounds so there's no difference in that regard. If you want to through Pouncey in there, then that's a different story.

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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I am only curious as to your reasoning. I think it would be a difficult decision. Do you compare Graham to LaMarr Woodley like many have suggested? Many have compared Bryant to Moss. Which one impacts the game more? Moss or Woodley?  Is Bryant too much of a psycho?  Where is the bigger drop off in talent between #22 and #44? DE? OLB? or WR? Of course if you are talking about Bryant it's more like saying drop off from top 5 to #44. Is Odrick not even a consideration even though he's in the trenches?
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    I'd take Graham as well. He's compared to Lamar Woodley because of his play and size. Although I like Bryant as a player I would never compare him to Moss. At Marshall, Moss was totally uncoverable. It was unreal to be honest, no one could stay with him. Brayant is alot different of a player; he's slower, doesn't seperate as well and is shorter. 

    Alot of Bryants catches are contested because he's not pulling away with elite speed. To his credit he catchees the ball, because he has great body control and hands, but in the pros I don't know if he will get away with that. But I still think he is a nice talent, a guy that can catch 60 to 70 passes as a rookie.  
     
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    Alex Carrington helps cause at Arkansas State’s pro day « http://bit.ly/9npEtp
     
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    Low,
    If Graham, Odrick and Bryant are on the board and I HAVE to take one, I'm taking Graham...But, I would rather not take any of those 3 guys to be honest.

    Graham I would choose because he is great at getting after the QB, can set the edge, good against the run...but I would not choose him because he playing OLB in a 3-4 or even 4-3 is a projection...I'm not sure he has the length/speed/fluidity to drop into coverage, and if I'm taking someone to play that position, I woudl rather wait until round 2..same with DE...I like Alualu over Odrick because of versatility.
     
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    I would take Graham in a heartbeat over Bryant and Odrick.

    He is a high character guy, will work hard and has a non stop motor. I have watched every Michigan game for the past 8 years or so, and he stands out as one of the best players I have watched. I personally think he was better than Lamar Woodley. Last year he put up fantastic numbers despite constant double teaming. 

    Bryant is good, but I am concerned about his attitude, not to mention the 2011 WR class is amazing. 

    Odrick is not that much better than Alualu in my eyes, plus he has a previous arrest.
     
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    report - WR Arrelious Benn visited New England the same time WR Dez Bryant did. 

    I do not have a link confirming it...
     
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    graham..pure and simple he is a football player..he loves the game,goes snap to whistle(and beyond)every play,is a playmaking,differemce maker,will do whatever it takes to work on all aspects of his game,especially where he needs to improve the most(i.e.-pass coverage),is a team first guy and will be the type of man in the lockerroom and away from the game that you should want representing you.
     
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    Low:

    Interesting notes from the scouts.  Did you hear anything about Carlos Dunlap?  Would he make it to the second round?  His lack of maturity and inconsistent effort is well-documented.  But I am very intrigued about his physical talent.  Aside the impressive combine and pro-day numbers, the limited clips of his videos are quite amazing.  In one play, I saw him pushing a double team back into the QB and then spinning around and catching the escaping QB from the behind.  In another play, I saw him run to the side line and catch an option QB before the QB could turn up field.  These are amazing plays from a DE, displaying power, speed and long reach.  He compares to Willie McGinest physically: Dunlap 6'6" and 277lbs.  Willie 6'5" and 270.  After watching the replay of the wild card game between the pats and Jaguars in 05 when Willie had 4 sacks, I want a DE/OLB like him even more.

    So far , the Pats have interviewed almost every DE and OLB prospects except Dunlap.  He certainly does not fit the mold of a typical Patriot player with high intensity.  I tried to talk myself into Odrick, Kindle, Graham, Sapp or Hughes.  But nobody excites me more than Dunlap.  You want to build a team with solid players,  But you also need a few freakish players in order to win it all. 
     
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    If Brandon Graham, Jared Odrick AND Dez Bryant are all on the board at #22 who are you taking? ...and Why?
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    Bradon Graham, he brings intensity and a work ethic the team has been missing (see quote from Prior).  He will be an impact player immediately as a pass rusher and develop into a good OLB because I'm sure he'll work at it like no one else.  He's strong against the run and a motor that doesn't seem to stop.

    Why not Odrick,
    I like Odrick but I don't think there's a hugh different from Odrick to Alualu, Houston or Carrington.  I think Odrick will also be a player who buys in the Patriots way but for bang for buck Graham IMO is the pick.

    Bryant too unstable for my liking, he has holdout written all over him and could become a distraction. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : That's why people were shocked. They assumed he was fast. He's NOT. He's quick and that's much more important in the game of football.
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    PRO DAY RESULTS: All 32 teams had representatives in attendance at Mississippi's pro day on Tuesday to watch a total of 22 players work out indoors on FieldTurf. RB Dexter McCluster (5-8 1/2, 170) ran 4.44 and 4.45 in the 40 and had a 6.73 three-cone drill.  Cone measures balance, footfork, agility and change in direction. 

    McCluster didn't run the cone at the combine.  So, how does DM's time compare to other Combine performers in the cone?

    Dexter McCluster - 6.73

    Ryan Mathews - 7.00
    Eric Berry - 6.88
    Joe Haden - 6.94
    Jahvid Best - 6.75
    Jimmy Graham - 6.90
    Toby Gerhart - 6.94
    M. Hardesty 6.87
    Taylor Price 6.82

    He would have turned in the 13th fastest time.  The fastest times were mostly as expected WRs, and DBs.  Although three names will surprise.

    WR, Scott Long 6.45
    WR, Trindon Holiday 6.54
    SS, Cody Grimm 6.58
    WR, Emmanuel Sanders 6.64
    SS, Barry Church 6.65
    CB, Marshay Green 6.66
    QB, Tim Tebow 6.66
    OLB, Kyle Bosworth 6.67
    WR, Blair White 6.69
    CB, Alteerraun Verner 6.70
    CB, Devin McCourty 6.70
    CB, AJ Jefferson 6.72
    TE, Dennis Pitta 6.72



     
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    Perhaps the smarter play for those of us who love McCluster is to use a late round pick on a burner that can return kicks.  We've talked a lot about Trindon Holliday but what about this guy?  He's bigger (weight) and faster than DM and is a pretty darn good returner, especially kicks.  Could use one of those late 7s on him.

    Scotty McGee CB/KR, James Madison. 5-8, 190, 4.37 

    2009 ALL-CAA FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): KR Scotty McGee, James Madison, Senior, has been selected Second Team All-Colonial Athletic Association for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the CAA head coaches. As a return specialist he averaged a CAA-best and No. 2 nationally 30.5 yards per kickoff return and 5.4 yards per punt return. McGee holds JMU career records of six kick returns for touchdowns, 2,166 kickoff return yards and a 30.5-yard kickoff return average. He was the 2008 CAA special teams player of the year. - James Madison football
     
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    Unless Dan Williams slips to us or we move up to get him within reason, I don't think there is any way we take a DT in the first two rounds if we are staying in a base 34 defense.  Odrick would be the only that makes sense from a size prospective but he is not the player to replace Seymour; he's not even as good as Warren.  There is only one player in this draft that replaces Seymour and that's Suh.

    Check this out, we have 6 quality DL and as a 34 team, 6 is the number you usually carry on your 53 man roster.  Of the 6 who is expendable?  At NT you have Wilfork and Brace (high 2nd 2009 pick).  At DT you have Warren, Wright, Pryor and Lewis.  I've got to believe all 6 are safe.

    The depth in this draft is DT.  There are at least 23 drafteable DTs this year and the number is more like 28 if you throw in some DEs that will likely convert to DT.  There are at least 7-8 DTs available at our pick 190 meaning we will likely draft a couple of them to see who pans out and we'd likely do that if we were switching to a 43.

    If you are looking at who's available earlier in the draft that could beat out our current starters, who would they be?  Let's assume right now our starters are Wright, Wilfork and Warren.  There are no NTs in reach that could be out Wilfork so that rules out Cody and Thomas.

    Odrick and Alualu MAY beat out Wright in year 2.  I'll grant that.
    Price, Houston, Troup, Joseph, Woods, Atkins, Smith - No way.  Now we are down to the fourth round.  So for me, unless you are adding a likely starter, why draft a player in the first two rounds for depth when you are already have the required positions filled and adequate depth?

    Now, if we are switching to a 43, that's a different story.  Now I think some of these guys could come in and start, like Price, Alualu, and even Mt. Cody ahead of Wright.  If we moved up for Dan Williams, now we'd have a very formibable 43 DL.  Imagine Williams and Wilfork in the middle?  Nobody is going to move them.  So, if we draft a DT in the first two rounds that tells me we are switching to 43.  If we are switching to 43, then S. Weatherspoon could be our choice at 22.

    For now, I'm assuming a base 34 defense and I'm not taking any DL help, unless it's a pass rushing DE like Graham in my mocks.
     
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    Would we spend our #53 on Spikes?  Before he ran his 40, all of us would have been thrilled to see him on the board at 44.  He doesn't make it to #119 IMO.  Based on the teams interested below if he makes it to 44, he makes it to 53.  Ideally it would be nice to have an early 3rd but we don't.

    Have to worry about his production declining each year.  Makes you wonder if he was using early on.  But as the story suggests, teams could have been scheming more to stay away from him plus he was injured his senior year.  It could be the groin is still bothering him.  He looked like he was still hurt slipping on at least one of his pro day 40s.  I'm tempted to think 53 for him, that he's still bothered by the groin and by the start of the season, he could be ready to take Guyton's spot.

    04/07/2010 - Former Florida middle linebacker Brandon Spikes, who went silent early in two-a-days last August, still isn't talking. Ever the good teammate, Spikes showed up on the practice field Wednesday morning to offer support for the four former Gators going through Pro Day II before about a dozen NFL scouts. Also present was Spikes' agent, Terry Watson, who also represents running back/receiver/kick returner Brandon James, who worked out Wednesday. Given the relaxed setting Wednesday morning, I asked Watson if Spikes would agree to a brief interview about the upcoming draft, thinking this might be a good time. After consulting with Spikes, Watson said his client still would rather not talk. Spikes may not be talking to the media, but Watson said he's been talking to a lot of NFL teams. Watson said Spikes has received a great deal of interest from the Eagles, Redskins, Patriots, Steelers, Dolphins, Browns, Buccaneers and Bills. Spikes' draft stock appeared to slip somewhat when he ran a 4.9 40-yard dash at the first Pro Day on March 17. But Watson said its back up now that teams have been interviewing Spikes and looking at lots of tape of the middle linebacker who made so many plays in his four years at UF. "They say he is an A-plus in terms of linebacker instincts," Watson said. "They're putting a lot into what they're seeing on tape. They're seeing that Brandon is a player, and that's a big thing." - Robbie Andreu, Gator Sports
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Low: Interesting notes from the scouts.  Did you hear anything about Carlos Dunlap?  Would he make it to the second round?  His lack of maturity and inconsistent effort is well-documented.  But I am very intrigued about his physical talent.  Aside the impressive combine and pro-day numbers, the limited clips of his videos are quite amazing.  In one play, I saw him pushing a double team back into the QB and then spinning around and catching the escaping QB from the behind.  In another play, I saw him run to the side line and catch an option QB before the QB could turn up field.  These are amazing plays from a DE, displaying power, speed and long reach.  He compares to Willie McGinest physically: Dunlap 6'6" and 277lbs.  Willie 6'5" and 270.  After watching the replay of the wild card game between the pats and Jaguars in 05 when Willie had 4 sacks, I want a DE/OLB like him even more. So far , the Pats have interviewed almost every DE and OLB prospects except Dunlap.  He certainly does not fit the mold of a typical Patriot player with high intensity.  I tried to talk myself into Odrick, Kindle, Graham, Sapp or Hughes.  But nobody excites me more than Dunlap.  You want to build a team with solid players,  But you also need a few freakish players in order to win it all. 
    Posted by TrustBill


    I have not seen anything specific to him but most of the reporting talking heads seem to think he'll slip to the 2nd round. Seems some of the corner backs may push some guys into day 2.

    This just goes right along with the notion of day 2 trade heavy action at the opening to get a chance at a handful of guys that slipped out of the 1st.
     
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