Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6
posted at 4/11/2010 3:02 PM EDT
Faucet my comments in blue. IQ, Here we go again, my retort in red.
Unless Dan Williams slips to us or we move up to get him within reason I don't see that happening, I don't think there is any way we take a DT in the first two rounds if we are staying in a base 34 defense You might be right but I doubt it would have anything to do with IF we are staying in a 34. Odrick would be the only that makes sense from a size prospective but he is not the player to replace Seymour; he's not even as good as Warren The idea is not to get a Seymour replica and I wish people would let that go, it is to get a starting caliber DE IF possible. My point is there are 2, maybe 3 starting caliber 5 technique DTs in the draft. Suh (I think we'd all agree), Williams, (I think he can play any of the DL positions although he'd be more valuable as a 3 technique), Alualu (same comments as Williams) and Odrick but I don't think Day 1 he beats out Wright or Lewis. Of the three who could be in range, Williams beats out everyone on our DL except Wilfork and Warren. There is only one player in this draft that replaces Seymour and that's Suh. Again, that's not the question I have. If we are to stay in a 34 and are short a 34 DE, then it is a priority. If we are switching to 43, that changes our approach at LB too, so it is very germaine to the discussion in what are we looking for.
Check this out, we have 6 quality DL and as a 34 team Yep quality but not starting quality, I disagree, Warren, Wilfork and Lewis are all starting quality. Wright can start in spurts. Pryor bring a ton of value because he makes nothing. 6 is the number you usually carry on your 53 man roster. Of the 6 who is expendable? They're all expendable except Wilfork and Warren IF you get someone better, and not Brace because it is to soon and he was a high pick. If we limit ourselves to 6 DL and we stay in a 34 and we draft a dop DE/DT prospect like Williams or Odrick, then I'd say 1 has to go. At NT you have Wilfork and Brace (high 2nd 2009 pick). At DT you have Warren, Wright, Pryor and Lewis. I've got to believe all 6 are safe. I disagree. Can you fill me in on if any of those guys were given any recent big guaranteed money. Wright and Lewis, details below. Being an uncapped year, both could go but I think Lewis could beat out Wright and start.
April 5, 2009 updateThe Boston Globe's Mike Reiss blogged that "Wright's four-year pact includes base salaries of $620,000 (2009), $1.2 million (2010), $1.24 million (2011) and $1.28 million (2012). He receives a signing bonus of $1.8 million, and a roster bonus of $600,000 that was paid in mid-March. The deal also includes workout bonuses from $80,000-$100,000, depending on the year."
On April 6th ESPNBoston.Com's Mike Reiss blogged that "the free-agent contract signed by veteran defensive lineman Damione Lewis with the Patriots is a one-year deal. Lewis will earn a base salary of $1.15 million. "
I agree Brace will be given another year and as I said, Pryor has great value earning just $395,000.
If you are looking at who's available earlier in the draft that could beat out our current starters, who would they be? Let's assume right now our starters are Wright, Wilfork and Warren. There are no NTs in reach that could be out Wilfork so that rules out Cody and Thomas. Forget Wilfork because even if there are comparable NT's in the draft they just paid big money to a proven guy and that's the bottom line. He just got paid.
Odrick and Alualu MAY beat out Wright in year 2. I'll grant that. I disagree. There is not a learning curve, scheme wise, for the defensive front in the 34. You're kidding, right? We run various stunts, line up over the place, even drop a guy back into coverage. Besides DL assignments, our players have to know what everyone else's roles are on a given play. That's why we look for smart players. So if a player has technique and talent he starts. Pryor started ahead of Wright at times as a rookie. I think Odrick and Alualu take the starting job day one over any of those guys. Possibly, I'd say not day 1. You have to learn our system, very few defensive players have come right in and started day 1 for us. Cam Thomas would probably push for it as well. My only issue in trying to talk about this is I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of what the new guy from Carolina brings and can not speak to him. He's solid, ten year starter as a 3 technique, can penetrate. Lewis, Wright and Pryor are in a 3 man competition to start right now in Seymour's old spot. If he's better than Jarvis Green (he's a different player. He's a 43 DT) then I agree and say we are all set and not taking anything till later. He's the wild card because I know nothing about him. But to suggest a 1st round pick or a high 2nd that might otherwise be a 1st in other years does not have a high probability of beating out a UDFA backup, or 6th round backup seems a little off base to me. It isn't about where you were drafted, it is was Kevin O'Connell would have beat out Brady. Common, you know better than that. It's about how good you are now. Brace was a high second and he wasn't beating out the water boy last year. My comments are based on the guys we have who know the system, have been given extensions (WRIGHT), have started and performed have an edge heading into camp over Odrick, Alualu, or Thomas. Williams I think is just so much better than those that I think if we got him, he will from Day 1 show he's the man!!
Price, Houston, Troup, Joseph, Woods, Atkins, Smith - No way. Now we are down to the fourth round. So for me, unless you are adding a likely starter, why draft a player in the first two rounds for depth when you are already have the required positions filled and adequate depth?