2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Good post, here's my feeling if they have a chance to upgrade some of the backup roles then why not?  Don't think they will be happy with just getting need type picks IMO they are looking to upgrade the complete roster.  There are some players who can certainly do that even in the 7th.  I want to see a FS, Scott Quentin 6'4" 224lbs Nothern Iowa.  Had him in my bag of tricks, he is as big as Kam C. but a better cover guy and faster.  This could be the guy BB has been looking for.  He can be had in the 5th, 1st year special teams on every special teams play while develops.  McGowan good bye! Overview The size (6-4, 224) and speed (4.43 40) are not misprints. Scott's physical attributes intrigue scouts all over the league, and though it's not clear where his NFL position will be, he'll certainly be part of war room conversations throughout the second half of the draft. After a very successful two years at Iowa Central Community College, Scott bade his time as a safety/linebacker/special teamer in 2008 (20 tackles, two for loss, interception). Given a chance to start as a senior, he came through with flying colors: Team MVP, first-team All-Missouri Valley with 49 tackles, five interceptions (one score) and four pass break-ups. Scott held his own at the Texas vs. the Nation All-Star Challenge. The athleticism he showed at his pro day actually caused scouts to ask him to work out at receiver; although didn't catch every ball thrown his way, he looked good enough to potentially get a shot there at the next level. But he also shows good range and physicality as a centerfielder, so coaches who believe they can improve his tackling technique may push for him as a free safety prospect in the middle rounds. Analysis Read & React: Very quick reacting to plays in his area and able to get across the field in a hurry to help on those outside his immediate zone. Lacks great instincts and discipline, gets sucked in on play-action and fooled by misdirection when playing near the line. Takes too aggressive of an angle near the line, giving up the sideline instead of at least forcing plays inside. Man Coverage: Has a surprisingly quick backpedal, taking slot receivers on occasion. Good change-of-direction despite his height, will stay with outside receivers but needs to prove coverage skills against quick pro receivers. Good ball skills, has the hands and ability to high-point that teams may try him as a receiver. Inexperienced pressing on the line. Zone Coverage: True centerfielder, takes away deep balls with his height and athleticism. Goes from one sideline to the other to help corners or bring down receivers on his own. Can be an intimidating force on crossing routes, likes to make receivers feel his presence with a big hit. Better reacting to plays in front of him than anticipating routes. Will bite on play-action, leaving his man on an island outside. Closing/Recovery: Excellent closing speed. Transitions from pedal to plant-and-drive well. Uses speed and size to track down players, even if initially taking a poor angle. Rangy player who gets to the sideline to contest deep balls. Run Support: Willing in run support, closes on ballcarriers at the sideline or between the tackle and drags them down, though he usually played too far off the line of scrimmage to make a huge impact. Puts shoulder into pulling guards to hold his ground and maintain his gap near the goal line but won't overwhelm veteran pro linemen. Must learn to use his length to keep distance from blockers and disengage to make plays; gets pushed away too easily by linemen and fullbacks. Tackling: Likes the physical aspect of the game. If a receiver is in his path, he will wrap him up and plant him. Likes to lower the shoulder as well, whether dislodging the ball from a receiver or aiding a teammate in making a stop. However, ducks his head too often, trying to grab a leg even if in position to blow up a running back and receiver near the line; will whiff against elusive ballcarriers. Looks for the hit instead of wrapping up in space at times. Susceptible to cut blocks due to his height, needs to feel those blocks and use his hands to defeat. Intangibles: Plays with the confident, physical attitude that teams want. Good teammate, backs them when needed and congratulates them after plays. Junior college transfer. No major character concerns.
    Posted by Pats7393


    Wow, good call on Quentin Scott.  I hadn't heard of him before but you're right, 6-4, 225 and runs a 4.43?  Are you kidding me?  As Prime Time would say, "I can work with that."  The Pats are still looking for a big physical - call it box safety - that can support the run, cover the TE and come on a blitz.  Will be keeping an eye on this kid.  We still have Rashad Jones, Kam Chancellor, Myron Rolle (who I personally don't like for his elitist attitude) in play.  I do believe we will see a big safety taken today and say bye-bye to McGowan.
     
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    Wow, PHI has 4 picks in the 4th round; 105, 121, 122, 125.  They are gonna load up as much as us.

    13 Brandon Graham
    37 Nate Allen
    86 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
     
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    Wow, PHI has 4 picks in the 4th round; 105, 121, 122, 125.  They are gonna load up as much as us. 13 Brandon Graham 37 Nate Allen 86 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
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    Possible trading partner?  I still think the Pats move up somewhere and give up a few picks to move up.  They picked 5 already, have 4 comp picks and another 4 picks which I'm sure they'll move around with.  Can see 12 guys picked total.
     
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    For those critical of the Patriots being quite in F/A as compared to the moves made by the Jets and Dolphins, the below should be encouraging.  Those moves made by our opponents came at a price, especially for the Jets.  We are clearly the winners in the draft so far and I don't see any of our AFC EAST opponents having a better draft.  Keep in mind we also have a pair of 1sts and 2nds next year.

    BuffaloMiamiNew EnglandNew York Jets
    #9 RB CJ Spiller#28 DT J Odrick#27 CB D McCourty#29 CB K Wilson
    #41 DT Torell Troup#40 OLB Koa Misi#42 TE R Gronkowski#61 OT V Ducasse
    #72 DE A Carrington#73 OT John Jerry#53 OLB J Cunningham#124
    #107#126#62 ILB B Spikes#198
    #140#145#90 WR Taylor Price#236
    #178#174#113 
    #192#179#150 
    #209#212#205 
    #216#219#229 
     #252#231 
      #247 
      #248 
      #250 
     
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    Philly was getting ancient in the front seven. They need all those players. I still wouldn't mind NE spreading the wealth and going after someone like Sapp or Griffen. But McCluster is still out there, Dwyer is still out there. 

    Like all the picks. Great prospects. I think McCourty was a good player, if anyone remembers my rant on why you draft a corner every year from three to four years ago -- I can always see the logic in day one corners. The position  is so overpaid, that it is a poor place to make FA acquisitions and a great place to develop. It is also huge given the sheer amount of time spent in Nick package these days . . .like they say . ..  dime is the new nickel. 

    At the same time, if Hughes is setting QBs down gently, I will be tempted to assume he would work as well in NE's system and second guess McCourty. hahahaha-- I hate it when people do that. 

    Love the Spikes selection. Can't say enough. 

    I hope they can get a RB who isn't 45 years old, because I reckon Crumpler plus Gronk will be about as vicious dub TE package as there is from a blocking perspective. 
     
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    Watching Gronk yesterday it reminded me of the Bradyesk excitment we've seen but not so much last year.  This guy appears to have a personality that can be contaigeous.  What a smart move by BB!  I can see him inject Brady with that child like exciment we all loved seen from out QB.

    I can't say enough about how happy I am even though I didn't get Roberts or Te'O or Ben Tate.

    I might still be able to get Gettis WR, Alfonson Smith RB or Mike Johnson although with Spikes another MLB is highly unlikely.

     
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    Changing the Al Woods pick, just read he's unmotivated and a few other negatives.

    Round 4, Pick 15 (113) Lindsey Witten OLB/DE 6'5" 252 UConn
    Round 5, Pick 19 (150) Scott Quentin FS 6'4" 224 Northern Iowa 
    Round 6, Pick 36 (205) (Compensatory) Brandon Deaderick DE/DT 6'4" 314 Alabama
    Round 7, Pick 22 (229) Cole Pemberton OT 6'7" 315 Colorado State (gave up 1 sack in 2009)
    Round 7, Pick 24 (231) Alfonso Smith RB 6'1" 211 Kentuky
    Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory) Tim Knicky OLB 6'4" 252 Stephen F. Austin
    Round 7, Pick 41 (248) (Compensatory) Chris Scott OG 6'5" 319 Tennessee
    Round 7, Pick 43 (250) (Compensatory) Jon Vanderwielen P 6'3" 235 Idaho State

    UDFA
    Kyle Harrington DE 6'5" 291 UMass
    plays in a 34 in college, has played NT and DE.  Extremely strong kid, put up 43 reps.  Has all the tools to be a starter with NFL, will need to be coached up.
     
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    I second that, Gronk seems like a guy that makes it more fun to play with, has contagious excitement, and will be an outstanding team member.
     
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    Pats trade up for Griffen, 4th and 2 7ths

    Round 4, Pick 2 (100) Everson Griffen DE/OLB USC
    Round 5, Pick 19 (150) LeGarrette Blount HB Oregon
    Round 6, Pick 36 (205) (Compensatory) Brandon Deaderick DE/DT Alabama
    Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory) Cole Pemberton OT Colorado State
    Round 7, Pick 41 (248) (Compensatory) Chris Scott OG 6'5" 319 Tennessee
    Round 7, Pick 43 (250) (Compensatory) Jon Vanderwielen P 6'3" 235 Idaho
     
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    Wow, what night, a whole lot of action!

    Below are my feelings on each pick:

    Gronkowski- I'll eat crow on Hernandez, he's still on the board, so I was dead wrong.  I'm liking this Gronkowski pick a lot and give props to Low-FB as he's been calling for this guy for some time.  I hope he takes that enthusiasm and intensity to the football field because wow, the kid is a monster.  I will now call him.......DRAGO!

    Cunningham- I've been on this kid for a while and like this pick a lot, many state that he consistently outplayed Dunlap on the outside.  While I think they'll need some time to develop a bit, he has the size and athleticism to make a difference off the edge and if you watch the tape, he seems to be around the play/football often.

    Spikes- I was the Mayor of Spikesville for sometime and was disappointed with his40, didn't think he'd go in round 2.  Needless to say, I'm extremely happy with this pick as he represents the big thumper next to Mayo in the middle, I also think he can be a 3 down player as while his straightline speed is lacking, his short area quickness (3C was faster than Weatherspoon's) looks pretty good, he's also shown the ability to drop back into coverage effectively on tape.

    Price- I was disappointed that they were unable to move up for Sanders or Decker or Roberts, but I've read some good press on this kid, that he was completely underutilized in Ohio's offense, good seperation ability, size, durability, work ethic, maturity, upside and you can't deny that straightline speed.  He didn't appear as fast laterally though (4.34 SS) but he's quick in and out of his breaks (6.83 3C) and has the ability to stretch the field.

    Mock to follow.....
     
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    Philly was getting ancient in the front seven. They need all those players. I still wouldn't mind NE spreading the wealth and going after someone like Sapp or Griffen. But McCluster is still out there, Dwyer is still out there.  Like all the picks. Great prospects. I think McCourty was a good player, if anyone remembers my rant on why you draft a corner every year from three to four years ago -- I can always see the logic in day one corners. The position  is so overpaid, that it is a poor place to make FA acquisitions and a great place to develop. It is also huge given the sheer amount of time spent in Nick package these days . . .like they say . ..  dime is the new nickel.  At the same time, if Hughes is setting QBs down gently, I will be tempted to assume he would work as well in NE's system and second guess McCourty. hahahaha-- I hate it when people do that.  Love the Spikes selection. Can't say enough.  I hope they can get a RB who isn't 45 years old, because I reckon Crumpler plus Gronk will be about as vicious dub TE package as there is from a blocking perspective. 
    Posted by zbellino


    McCluster went to KC at 36.  But Dwyer, Dixon, Blount, McKnight are still there.  I would not be shocked if we took Charles Scott out of LSU at 205.  He's a big FB type and we missed Heath Evans last year.  With our other threats a FB coming out of the backfield is often uncovered.  Clay Harbor and John Connor are a couple others I would be excited to get.
     
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    Best Speed Rushers available. Here.
     
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    Pats trade up for Griffen, 4th and 2 7ths Round 4, Pick 2 (100) Everson Griffen DE/OLB USC Round 5, Pick 19 (150) LeGarrette Blount HB Oregon Round 6, Pick 36 (205) (Compensatory) Brandon Deaderick DE/DT Alabama Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory) Cole Pemberton OT Colorado State Round 7, Pick 41 (248) (Compensatory) Chris Scott OG 6'5" 319 Tennessee Round 7, Pick 43 (250) (Compensatory) Jon Vanderwielen P 6'3" 235 Idaho
    Posted by titletownfan

    I'm not sure we'd take both Scott and Blount but I like were you went with this.  Griffen is freakishly athletic and represents tremendous value at this point.  He is my top player left on my board.  This give us extra insurance that either he or Cunningham pan out. 
     
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    I'd take Sapp or Griffen at this point and be happy with it. Surprised they both are here at this point, I think the corner back depth had a lot to do with it.

    To me Griffen is one of the better tacklers I've seen for a guy that big, he can break down in space like a much smaller player. As for Sapp, he'd take a couple of years to get stronger and maybe they feel they already have a guy like him in Crable.
     
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    Well, no more Everson Griffen. 

    Now who? Maybe Wootton or Woods.
     
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    Todays’ projection:

     Round 4, Pick 15 (113) Aaron Hernandez J

    Round 5, Pick 19 (150) S Myron Rolle FSU 

    Round 6, Pick 36 (205) (Compensatory) Brandon Deaderick DE/DT Alabama or OT Kyle Calloway Iowa

    Round 7, Pick 22 (229) WR Kerry Meier Kansas

    Round 7, Pick 24 (231)  QB Sean Canfield Oregon State *EDIT*

    Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory) DL Vince Oghobaase DE/DE Duke

    Round 7, Pick 41 (248) (Compensatory) OT Chris Marinelli Stanford

    Round 7, Pick 43 (250) (Compensatory) S Chris Maragos Wisconsin

      

    Potential RB’s:

     

    Anthony Dixon Miss State

    Charles Scott LSU

    James Starks Buffalo

    Keiland Williams LSU

    Andre Dixon Uconn

    Joique Bell Wayne State

     
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    why does no one talk about Norwood. His production is off the charts. Very similar measureables except bit smaller to Te'O and Hughes and equal production in sacks, tackles, Int's while playing against SEC competition.
     
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    I'll tell yeah I was surprised Pete Carroll kept passing on his players from USC, when the league sees that happen I'm sure it raises eyebrowes. Alot of these kids dropped like rocks in the draft and one of them actualy expressed his dissapointment. Imagine playing for the guy for 3 or 4 years, giving him all you've got and he picks another safety or wideout over you and then you free fall 30 spots loosing millions. LOL
     
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    Here are a couple of other ideas heading into today.

    TE Doren Dickerson - would be a nice weapon.  TE/ H Back with WR speed in the mold of Dustin Keller or Keith Byars.  BB could have fun with this kid.

    RB Jonathan Dwyer - Once a first round grade, then a 2nd, then dropped like a stone for no apparent reason.  He was very productive at GT and runs well IMO for his size.

    TE Dennis Pitta - Showed the best hands at the Combine IMO.  Can't believe he's still on the board.  Sure he's older (25) but that isn't always bad.  Would love to add him to Gronkowsi.

    TE Aaron Hernandez - another fast TE with hands.  What the heck did this kid do to drop this far?

    OT Bruce Campbell - Had the best combine of any player.  Inconsistent tape but given the right coaching he could solve our problem at RT for years.  So athletic, can't believe he's still around, was a sure 1st rounder after the Combine.

    OG Marshall Newhouse - Now that we have that 150 pick would jump on him there.  Very athletic pulling Guard.

    FS Rashad Jones - Had him graded much higher than this.  Could be the Rodney Harrison type S we've been looking for.

    SS Kam Chancellor - ditto Jones.

    DE Clifton Geathers - at 20 just a freak in size and athletic ability.  Reminds of Ed Too Tall Jones.  Needs time to develop.  I'd consider him with every pick from here on out.  His ceiling is way up there. 
     
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    Here are a couple of other ideas heading into today. TE Doren Dickerson - would be a nice weapon.  TE/ H Back with WR speed in the mold of Dustin Keller or Keith Byars.  BB could have fun with this kid. RB Jonathan Dwyer - Once a first round grade, then a 2nd, then dropped like a stone for no apparent reason.  He was very productive at GT and runs well IMO for his size. TE Dennis Pitta - Showed the best hands at the Combine IMO.  Can't believe he's still on the board.  Sure he's older (25) but that isn't always bad.  Would love to add him to Gronkowsi. TE Aaron Hernandez - another fast TE with hands.  What the heck did this kid do to drop this far? OT Bruce Campbell - Had the best combine of any player.  Inconsistent tape but given the right coaching he could solve our problem at RT for years.  So athletic, can't believe he's still around, was a sure 1st rounder after the Combine. OG Marshall Newhouse - Now that we have that 150 pick would jump on him there.  Very athletic pulling Guard. FS Rashad Jones - Had him graded much higher than this.  Could be the Rodney Harrison type S we've been looking for. SS Kam Chancellor - ditto Jones. DE Clifton Geathers - at 20 just a freak in size and athletic ability.  Reminds of Ed Too Tall Jones.  Needs time to develop.  I'd consider him with every pick from here on out.  His ceiling is way up there. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    Wow, I forgot about Dwyer, ha. 

    I think his problem is he tested as slow in any direction 40 (4.64), 3C (7.56), SS (4.67).
     
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    Wouldn't be surprised if the guy they take next, nobody ever heard of. They haven't done it in this draft yet and they are due.
     
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    I agree. I think down here, Norwood makes some sense. Sapp makes a lot of sense. 
     
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    On queue Al Davis selects Bruce Campbell and Jacoby Ford.
     
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    I agree. I think down here, Norwood makes some sense. Sapp makes a lot of sense. 
    Posted by zbellino



    Thanks Z,

    I mean if Hughes went in the 1st and Norwood has a faster 10 yard split time 1 more sack and a lot more tackles than Hughes and 1 fewer INt. How is he not a value in the 4th?

    You are right though Sapp is probably who they would choose based on height.

    I'd rather have the player.

    We took Cunningham but still do not have any pure pass rushers, unless Bruce Davis fills that role.
     
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    Sapp and Norwood both have plus/minuses. I think part of me likes Norwood more too. He was also penciled into my BB type player list, based on his pedigree.
     
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