Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6
posted at 3/13/2010 10:23 PM EST
In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6
In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : True. Other teams have had biggest first round busts. Graham, Watson and Maroney aren't busts, they just haven't lived up to expectations as first round picks. Nobody takes a blocking TE in the first, but that is what Graham ended up being. Nobody takes a pass catching TE like Watson if they know he would average 35 catches and 400 yards or whatever it was. Nobody takes a back like Maroney at 21 expecting that he won't challege 1,000 yards in any year and not be a threat coming out of the backfield. The scouts are crazy about Pouncey. You just don't see interior OL types taken in the first round - at least not high. This year Iupati will go in the top 20 and Pouncey will go to the Colts at 31 if we don't take him. I can already hear his name called out like Saturday every Sunday. He will be a 15 year starter with 12 Pro Bowls. I don't care if you are a kicker, that kind of production is worthy of #22 overall.
Posted by Faucetman
I am not sure that says as much about them as it does about the lack of "elite" talent in this draft.
I will say this again and again till I am blue in the face. This draft is deeper in the late first to possibly entire 2nd round but there may not even be as many elite players in this draft compared to some other years.
I still think lupatis rating is crazy to me. I haven't heard a single person , not one scout say they think he can play tackle. In the scout podcast the other day they questioned if he could come in and play from day one. They said it depended on how quickly he absorbs coaching cause he is so raw and lunges and reaches and is often off balance. Geno Atkins completely abused him during senior bowl week anytime luptai had to pass block.
So many of the top guys have more chinks in the armor than I am used to reading about.
They say Rolando shows up on film dogging it too much of the time.
They say that the south florida folks have been telling teams that the hype on pierre paul is a bit much. He had 1 "great" year I guess and even in that "great" year still only managed 6.5 sacks. He played at community college before that. So for his career at a top level school he has 6.5 sacks. Sorry it would make me uneasy to invest big guaranteed money on a guy like that.
I can go on but the general point is that I think some guys rating out higher in the first round says less about them then it does a about the lack of elite talent at the top.
Thats one think I really like about my perception of the Patriots and their draft philosophy. I do not know if I am right but they seem to grade a player based on a criteria that goes against a historical grading chart for their organization.
My perception is that they grade a player irrelevant to the current draft prospects, as much as possible. They grade them against all players historically. I think thats why it seems, to us fans, that they pass over so many guys. If a player is projected to go in the 1st in this years draft by default of there not being enough better players to go ahead of him then the pats won't reach and take him. If they do not have a grade on a player equal to the value of the slot they will trade down and select a player with the appropriate grade for the slot.
I have long argued that to me it does not seem possible that every year there is a number one or top 3-5 QB in the draft? It just doesn't seem statistically possible but almost every year there seems to be one rated there. It's like there is some unwritten rule that there has to be one in every draft.
Let's look at LB for a moment. We drafted Mayo at 10 I think. (I know what I am about to say flies in the face of my argument regarding the Pats) Patrick Willis went at 11 the year before. Is anyone going to argue Mayo is better than Willis? OK maybe the Pats thought Mayo was close enough. OK now go back 2 years prior to Mayo. AJ Hawk went 5 and Ernie Sims went 9 yet I remember exec's being quoted as saying if Mayo had come out in that draft he would have gone ahead of all of them.
Bottom line is that when I am scratching my head when the Patriots skip on a player I always assume they have completely different grades then all the consensus on players and thats its not that they don't like or want a player but that they don't want them at the same draft slot as everyone else thinks he's worth.