2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    I don't remember last year's discussion taking up such a huge thread. I believe we had several threads, and it kept things shorter and more manageable. Every day I intend to post something, but I have to read the last few pages and find where I am, and then it expands again. So daunting, trying to keep up! Faucet, I remember we had some good discussions last year; I wish Z were posting more frequently these days--he enriched our conversation considerably. The rest of you I don't really know all that well, but I've enjoyed reading your thoughts. Carry on. :) I've kept careful notes this year. I am determined not to be surprised by BB's draft. Last year I hit with Chung, Butler, and Edelman, which wasn't bad (25% is pretty darn good with the Patriots draft :p ), and I correctly guessed which positions we would draft at a few other spots, but I was still blindsided by half the picks. ("Vollmer? Who the heck is that?!") I'm only going to make a few comments for now, but I hope I'll be able to keep up with the thread from here on out. First I'd like to offer a list of sleepers I'm particularly interested in--I originally posted this at PatsFans.com and then at Footballs Future Draft Forum; apologies if you've seen it before and don't find it interesting. After a few days, once I'm in the flow of the conversation, I'll work toward the early rounds, but at least half of our draft is in the 6th-7th rounds. AdamJT13, who's well known for his yearly projections of the comp. picks, belives that the Patriots will receive 4 7th-rounders: http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/ In addition to these comp. picks, we have two 7ths from the Greg Lewis and Russ Hochstein trades. Posted by reamer


    Nice post, if the pats get 4 7nders or 1 6th and 3 7th it would put a heck of a spin on this year's draft.  I normally would not get excited about those picks but this year is like getting a bunch of late 4th rnders and 5th round picks.  Because they would not be able to trade these 4 away I see them trading putting something together with their 6th and 2 7ths maybe they put them together and try to get back in the 5th?
     
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    I don't remember last year's discussion taking up such a huge thread. I believe we had several threads, and it kept things shorter and more manageable. Every day I intend to post something, but I have to read the last few pages and find where I am, and then it expands again. So daunting, trying to keep up! Faucet, I remember we had some good discussions last year; I wish Z were posting more frequently these days--he enriched our conversation considerably. The rest of you I don't really know all that well, but I've enjoyed reading your thoughts. Carry on. :) I've kept careful notes this year. I am determined not to be surprised by BB's draft. Last year I hit with Chung, Butler, and Edelman, which wasn't bad (25% is pretty darn good with the Patriots draft :p ), and I correctly guessed which positions we would draft at a few other spots, but I was still blindsided by half the picks. ("Vollmer? Who the heck is that?!") I'm only going to make a few comments for now, but I hope I'll be able to keep up with the thread from here on out. First I'd like to offer a list of sleepers I'm particularly interested in--I originally posted this at PatsFans.com and then at Footballs Future Draft Forum; apologies if you've seen it before and don't find it interesting. After a few days, once I'm in the flow of the conversation, I'll work toward the early rounds, but at least half of our draft is in the 6th-7th rounds. AdamJT13, who's well known for his yearly projections of the comp. picks, belives that the Patriots will receive 4 7th-rounders: http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/ In addition to these comp. picks, we have two 7ths from the Greg Lewis and Russ Hochstein trades. That's 6 picks in one round! - -=- - Patrick Stoudamire - good looking corner prospect. Very underrated, with good fluidity, instincts, and physicality. Average height, but good bulk, strength, and speed. Played against lower competition, but is technically sound. Danny Batten - originally a DE, but played ILB at Texas vs Nation, and could offer great versatility. High effort guy; a really impressive player with underrated athleticism. Jim Dray - fantastic blocker. A few injury concerns. May not be the best athlete in the world and wouldn't catch a lot of passes--could be a tip-off on running formations. Nonetheless, blocks like a third tackle. Brandon Deaderick - played next to Cody on the Alabama line, and always caught my eye when I scouted the big guy. Extremely stout against the run, and that was before he added 20 pounds for the combine. Good developmental 34 end who actually played the position in college. Deji Karim - Ray Rice clone. My favorite prospect on this list, by far, Karim reminds me of Rice and MJD. He's short (5'8 or 5'9, depending on who you believe) but at #210 is very thickly built and has impressive power. Reportedly running in the 4.3s and jumping over 40 inches in the vertical while testing for his pro day. Great vision, instant acceleration, good hands, etc. He gives effort as a blocker, but needs to refine his technique. J'Marcus Webb - huge small-school OT with quick feet and shocking athleticism for a big guy. Not generating a lot of hype, which coupled with his transfer from a major program makes me a bit wary, but all the physical tools are there for him to be a franchise left tackle. Armanti Edwards - reminds me a lot of Julian Edelman, but with better throwing skills. Amazingly productive. For the record, I called Edelman to the Patriots in the seventh last year. I thought he would make a great WR. Probably the only time I've hit on a wild prediction. www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="Very Happy" /> Kevin Matthews - Clay Matthews' brother, Kevin is a solid center/guard developmental prospect. Might lack a little athleticism, but is very sound and has great football bloodlines. Travis Ivey - 34 defenses can never have too many big men in the middle. He's a massive nose-tackle and might, might have the athleticism to play end, as well. Mike Brandtner - really underrated directional punter. Never had a punt blocked. Drops an inordinate amount of kicks inside the 10, and often times kicks so his coverage arrives exactly when the ball does. Otherworldly performance in Texas vs. Nation game. Keiland Williams - what's up with LSU running backs? Poor guys can't stay healthy. Regardless, Williams is a versatile runner/blocker/receiver who runs hard and has fantastic agility for a big back, though he lacks top-end speed. Not really a sleeper, but he's definitely started to fly under the radar and is worth keeping an eye on. George Johnson - despite the recent success of Rutgers players in the NFL, he's a totally overlooked DE/OLB prospect. Didn't have overwhelming stats this year, (6.5 sacks, 13 TFL), but was often asked to play in coverage instead of rush the passer, which could accelerate the transition to OLB if a team chooses to play him there. Hard worker, vocal player who pumps up his teammates. Has great size (6'4.5 #270) and strength (29 reps), and timed at 6.99 in the three-cone drill, which is excellent for his size. Only ran a 4.75, but is reportedly very quick in short areas. Projected as a free agent at this point, but could be an ideal 7th round gamble on a developmental OLB. Quentin Scott - Taylor Mays size, but with better fluidity and ball skills (5 INT this year). Superb athlete, just learning the position, but extremely hard working and intelligent. Take a look at this excellent interview with JB Scouting: http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/498-interview-scott I like this guy a lot. Michael Johnson - 6'4, #250 LB who's a noted playmaker at the D-II level. Good insticts, very fast for his size (4.6 40), and has been scouted by the Patriots, who sent a scout to his pro day. The only real concern is level of competition--which he dominated, for the record. Could be a poor man's McClain. Jameson Konz - prior to his pro day, only hardcore draftniks knew who he was, unless they followed the Patriots and knew that Julian Edelman had an incredibly athletic teammate in college. At 6'3 #235, he ran a 4.38 and jumped 46 inches--that's better than Taylor Mays! Konz has played LB, TE, WR, and H-back, so he comes with great positional flexibility. I think he'd be a terror on special teams while he develops into a role player at other spots. - -=- - As you can see, the 6th and 7th rounds are an absolute gold mine of small school or underrated players. I'd like to see us pick half a dozen of these young men; they can only strengthen our team.  
    Posted by reamer


    Reamer,
    Thanks for the post and info.

    We've discussed a few of these guys a bit (G. Johnson, Konz, Webb, Deadrick and Edwards etc.), but I'll have to research the others, I actually have G. Johnson to NE in rd 7 of my current mock, we'll see if he moves up.

    I'm with you on Keiland Williams later in the draft, he never got the lead role, but was fairly productive as a rotational player with 299 for 1,699 (5.68 YPC) and 17 TD in his career and has good size at around 6-0 220. 
     
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    Gilyard to work out for the Pat's today:


    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Gilyard-to-meet-with-Patriots-today.html

     
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    If I was presented with a draft day option to trade out of the 22 spot for a 2nd and 3rd rounder, I probably would not make the trade..not this year. Although this draft is deep, I think the blue chippers reside from 1-50, with a log jam from 25-45. I think the Pats current position at 22 is a keeper. I have been a proponent and opponent of trading down/out in previous posts, but from this post forward, I am a proponent of keeping this pick. 

    My rationale...Pats draft Gresham with 22nd as I think they will...if they traded out of this spot for a 2nd and 3rd, Gresham I think would come off the board prior, leaving them with Gronkowski or Hernandez. Both I like, but I think Gresham is a rare talent at TE given the combo of his skills. So, although I like Gronkowsi and Hernandez, I think there is a signfiicant talent gap between the 2 of them and Gresham. my personal opinion only. Gresham will provide the short/medium range receiving threat we need right away, plus has good blocking ability which is also what we need out of the position. Good height/weight, probably the biggest TE we ever drafted with potentially the softest hands. 

    Falling in line with mbealiue's and faucet's picks in the 2nd round...I like Alualu with our 2a, and Gerhart with our 2c. At least I think you 2 support these guys?






     
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    mbealiue

    With Moss possibly gone after this year, could we have our number 1 & 2 starting WR's both at 6ft?....assuming BTate & Gilyard?....I like the pick in the 2nd only if we take Gresham in the first. Gresham would give us that 6'6" end zone threat we woudl need with smaller WR's....thoughts?
     
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    Hold one...I just learned something interesting about Gresham that is going to impact my number 22 selection....apparently, this is the 2nd time he tore his ACL..once back in 2005, and then again last year. Not sure if it is the same knee, but 2 ACL injuries can't be good....did you guys know about this?
     
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    If I was presented with a draft day option to trade out of the 22 spot for a 2nd and 3rd rounder, I probably would not make the trade..not this year. Although this draft is deep, I think the blue chippers reside from 1-50, with a log jam from 25-45. I think the Pats current position at 22 is a keeper. I have been a proponent and opponent of trading down/out in previous posts, but from this post forward, I am a proponent of keeping this pick.  My rationale...Pats draft Gresham with 22nd as I think they will...if they traded out of this spot for a 2nd and 3rd, Gresham I think would come off the board prior, leaving them with Gronkowski or Hernandez. Both I like, but I think Gresham is a rare talent at TE given the combo of his skills. So, although I like Gronkowsi and Hernandez, I think there is a signfiicant talent gap between the 2 of them and Gresham. my personal opinion only. Gresham will provide the short/medium range receiving threat we need right away, plus has good blocking ability which is also what we need out of the position. Good height/weight, probably the biggest TE we ever drafted with potentially the softest hands.  Falling in line with mbealiue's and faucet's picks in the 2nd round...I like Alualu with our 2a, and Gerhart with our 2c. At least I think you 2 support these guys?
    Posted by PatsLifer


    Pats,
    Gresham is a realistic option in Rd 1 given his size/skill combo, production, BB's draft history and need at the position.  I think they get a good TE with atleast one of their first 4 picks.

    Yes, I like both Alualu and Gerhart as potential Rd 2 options.
     
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    mbealiue With Moss possibly gone after this year, could we have our number 1 & 2 starting WR's both at 6ft?....assuming BTate & Gilyard?....I like the pick in the 2nd only if we take Gresham in the first. Gresham would give us that 6'6" end zone threat we woudl need with smaller WR's....thoughts?
    Posted by PatsLifer


    Pats,
    I'm ok with smaller, quicker receivers if they go that route as they won 3 SB's with that type of personnel.  Moss is nice to have now, but I don't necessarily think they need to replace his height and there aren't too many WR's out there (tall or short) with his overall skill set. 

    As for this draft class, Golden Tate in particular has shown the uncanny ability to high point the ball and come down with it against multiple defenders in the end zone. 

    I also don't disagree with your point about Gresham's value in the red-zone; kid caught 26 TD passes in college and would surely provide some matchup problems for DC's.
     
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    Tony Pike and Northwestern CB Sherrick McManis to work out for Pat's:

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Pats-checking-out-McManis.html

     
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    Thanks for the updates mbeaulieu, wish we still got them from the globe like we did with Reiss...
     
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    Thanks for the updates mbeaulieu, wish we still got them from the globe like we did with Reiss...
    Posted by titletownfan


    Title,

    You're welcome.

     
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    How did AD not know workout started yesterday?  Writting is on the wall

    http://www.patspulpit.com/2010/3/16/1375406/new-england-patriots-links-3-16-10?ref=CBS
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Someone will pick mays based on his 40 time, coaches in the NFL sometimes think they can coach a kid up to match their natural abilities in this case if a pro style coach couldn't then red flags should start flying. I would not be surpriced if the raiders get in the run for him.  They drafted a 2nd round talent last year as a top 10!
    Posted by Pats7393


    My bet is on the Seahawks. Pete knows the kid and loves these potential type picks ala Tebucky Jones. I think they will trade down one of there first's and Mays might then be a target.
     
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    Belichick loves intelligence and some frequently discussed WR's did well on the Wonderlic:


    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Minnesotas-Decker-scores-a-43-on-the-Wonderlic.html

     
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    Will Dwyer crack the first round?

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    A borderline first-round prospect -- given the lowered emphasis NFL teams are placing on backs given the running-back-by-committee revolution -- Georgia Tech standout Jonathan Dwyer did not do himself any favors by running the 4.6s in the 40-yard dash at the combine.

    ESPN's Bruce Feldman discussed why Dwyer is a polarizing figure following the combine, noting that "the frenetic nature of the triple option scheme he played in at Tech" might be the cause of all the hype. Dwyer was at the Yellow Jackets' pro day on Tuesday, and did drop his 40 time a bit. Is it enough to get back into the first round? For a quick take on that, here's Steve Muench of Scouts, Inc.:


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    Still behind the first tier

    "Jonathan Dwyer appeared to be in excellent shape and ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.52-second range, which is a considerable improvement over the 4.6s he ran at the combine. Dwyer's new time should help stabilize his stock but don't expect him to get back into the best-back-in-the-class discussion. Clemson's C.J. Spiller, Fresno State's Ryan Mathews and California's Jahvid Best ran so well at the tombine that Dwyer can't catch up at this point, and Dwyer is a second-round pick at this point."
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Yeah, Low-FB has brought up Roberts mutiple times and I have discussed Jones in the past as an option DE, but not much has been said about the other two. I do know that Wes Bunting at the NFP has Carlton Mitchell as his #6 overall receiver, he also has Marcus Easley as his #5 receiver. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    I've seen Easley's name mentioned with the Patriots in a few places.
     
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    I typically laugh about even the potential picks that most mockers, outside Patriot nation, do for the Patriots as they never seem to understand the history or perceived measurable requirements of the various positions in the Patriot systems.

    That being said, Walter football actually recently mocked the first 4 picks in a way that I believe good very much be possible.

    They were as follows.

    #22 - Gresham (TE in 1st round history, size, etc)

    #45 - Damian Williams (best route runner in draft supposedly, solid #2 option)

    #49 - Koa Misi (Size, length, speed requirement to play OLB or even ILB)

    #53 - Alex Carrington (size, height, length, stout against the run)

    The Patriots might not like any of these players for all I know but at least they all fit one or more things that we perceive the Patriots to like and look for at their respective positions.
     
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    just watched on patriots.com a short report on the start of offseason workouts, they show Mckenzie running and looks as if the knee was not bothering him.  Tate is also attending but they did not show him running or working out.
     
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    what about Rennie Curran
    hes an absolute beast, yet he is a bit undersized, but so is Elvis Dumervil
    i really would love for the pats to use a 4th on Rennie, hes a great player
     
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    Mayo was Asked if Adalius Thomas’s situation has become a distraction to the players working out, he said: “Not at all. We’re here. The players that are here are the players that the coaches are going to focus on. Whatever he has going on, that’s between him and the organization. Whoever is here, that’s who we’re going to work with.”
     
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    would the Pats be ready to come out this draft and get some weapons on offense?  Chances of the following happening are slim to none but how happy would TB be?

    Demaryius Thomas WR
    Rob Gronkowski TE
    Rodger Saffold OT
    Toby Gerhart RB
    Jordan Shipley WR (smart, one of the best route runners in the nation played in one of the best programs in college football)

    Get the DE and OLB in the 6th and 7th
     
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    Will Dwyer crack the first round? Posted by Pats7393

    I really like Dwyer from watchinh his videos.  He compiled unbelievalbe stats from a Full-back position in a triple option offense.  Some experts said he would be even more potent in a pro-style offense.  Others said he might struggle in the pros.  It is very confusing.
     
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    There have lots of interesting debates about the meirts and flaws about many players in this super-long thread.  But there should no bebate about our greatest need being pass-rush.  This need has not been addressed through free-agency.  It was so frustrating to see that Chad Henne passed 50 times against us. The pass rush can come from OLB and DL of course.  Whichever conversion OLB guy we take, it is going to take a year or two from him to develop.  How can we improve our pass-rush from the draft for the coming season?  Obviously we can't get Suh or McCoy.  This only solution reasonable that I can find is to gamble on Carlos Dunlap.  Any other idea to draft pass-rushers with immediate impact for the upcoming season?  If we can't greatly improve our pass-rush, another year of Brady's prime will be wasted without a SuperBowl. We have won Super Bowls with the likes of Antoin Smith, Pattern, Wiggings and Troy Brown.  Once the defense aged, we could not get back even as Brady and Co have been more leathal.
    Posted by TrustBill

    Nice theory. DL has more value and you don't have to project them as far, however I'm not a fan of Carlos Dunlap. It's almost because this guy is 6'7" he is being projected high. He is sluggish, stands straight up, gets blown off the ball, lazy, not real powerful, has off field issues, not real explosive, and doesn't look like he has picked up a weight his entire life. I think you would be taking a risk and long term project (headache) with him.
     
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    what about Rennie Curran hes an absolute beast, yet he is a bit undersized, but so is Elvis Dumervil i really would love for the pats to use a 4th on Rennie, hes a great player
    Posted by Gulo


    Gulo,
    He was a good player at Georgia but I don't see that he fits what NE likes in their LB's.  They won't draft a 5-11 235 3-4 edge guy and he has marginal size at best as a 3-4 ILB and it's really unknown how he'd perform or hold up at the POA vs. C/OG/FB's etc. 

    I think he projects as a prototypical 4-3 OLB where he can use his speed and athleticism to work his zone in man coverage and chase down plays all over the field.

    Dumervil came out of Louiville as a 6-0 257 DE that was accustomed to rushing the passer and had 32 sacks (17 as a Senior) and 42 TFL in his career so I don't see him as a similar comparison.
     
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    BYU FB Manase Tonga to work out for the Pat's:

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Patriots-work-out-Manase-Tonga.html

     
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