2010 Mock Rounds 1-6

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    Faucet, that would be a heck of a draft. I also would not be shocked if Gresham dropped to #44. His lack of top end speed and quickness drops him out of the 1st Rd.


     
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    No excitement about Carlos Dunlap yet after the pro day?   He won't last to #22 anyway.

    " No matter the character issues or the questions about his intensity, it's hard for teams to pass on a 6-6, 280-pound end with 40 times of 4.57 and 4.59 on a wet field."  SportingNews.com
     
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    No excitement about Carlos Dunlap yet after the pro day?   He won't last to #22 anyway. " No matter the character issues or the questions about his intensity, it's hard for teams to pass on a 6-6, 280-pound end with 40 times of 4.57 and 4.59 on a wet field."  SportingNews.com
    Posted by TrustBill


    Holy crap, this slug ran a 4.57? Watching him he looks like a complete bust waiting to happen, but with numbers like that someone will take him early. Hope it's not us.
     
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    In the spirit of debate, I would like to throw in this following mock draft:

    #22: Brandon Graham - DE/OLB. I wasn't entirely sold on Graham a few weeks ago, but after spending some time analyzing tape and scouting reports, I think that Graham would be terriffic for the Pats. I know Belichick has traditionaly placed a premium on taller OLBs, but keep this in mind: the only OLB over 6' 3" that Belichick has drafted was Shawn Crable (6' 5"). Everyone else was inherited from the Pete Carroll era. Recently, it seems as though Belichick has "lowered his standards" in regards to a hieght requirement for OLBs (both Thomas and Banta-Cain are 6' 2"). Enter Brandon Graham. He has the speed to play coverage in a 3-4, but his overwhelming value is as a pass rusher. In a few years time, we may be hearing "Brandon Graham" and "top rushers in the league" in the same sentence. He's that good.

    #44: Jermaine Gresham - TE. I think people have forgotten just how good Gresham was the year before last. His stats from his last year are: 66 rec, 950 yrds, 14 TDs. For a tight end, that is awesome. I remember watching him in both the Red River Game and the game against Texas Tech. Gresham is a terror for anyone to play against, especially in the red zone. Imagine what Brady could do with a TE that can do something besides run really fast.

    #48: Damian Williams - WR. When I saw Damain Williams projected as a second-rounder, I was a bit surprised. I know his 40 time was nothing to gawk at, but Williams could provide the solid outside threat that the Pats lacked last year. When Moss and Welker were covered, who was going to make the catch, Sam Aiken? Williams has great hands, and should definitely provide Brady with another downfield, sure handed threat.

    #53: Lamarr Houston - DE/DT. Finally, the Patriots find a replacement for Big Sey. Personally, I think this guy had a lot to do with the success of Sergio Kindle. He may not be as tall as Richard Seymour (Houston is only 6'3", if I'm not mistaken), but he has the bulk (304 lbs) to take Jarvis Green's place on the line. Houston is known for his tremendous strength, but he also has a set of wheels on him, running a 4.88 at the combine (keep in mind that Seymour ran roughly a 5.00 at his combine). In addition to stoutness against the run, Houston excells as a pass rusher, something niether Ty Warren nor Vince Wilfork excell at.

    4th: Ben Tate - RB. Tate was a bit of a surprise at the combine, running a 4.45 in the 40 yard dash. Speed and ellusiveness aren't Tate's only weapons, however. At 5'11", 219 lbs, Tate has the size to plow over tacklers, something Maroney only seems to do to DBs only half his size.

    More to come. What do you guys think?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Very nice day for your boy today. One thing I will put out there for all though is that its pretty much known that pro day 3cone times are almost always faster than the combine times because the strength coaches always use the tiny(short) cones as opposed to the big(tall) ones.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Good info, though the net of things is he still appears to be quicker, faster and stronger than most at his position.
     
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    I've been wondering what's been keeping Hernandezs' draft stock down or rather stuck more in neutral. I mean his game film is good and his workouts are very good as well.

    After listening to Mayock's review of the Florida Pro Day Hernandez apparently has some off field issues.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Good info, though the net of things is he still appears to be quicker, faster and stronger than most at his position.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Oh yeah no question. 

    That bit about the 3cone was a generalization for ALL pro day times.
     
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    I've been wondering what's been keeping Hernandezs' draft stock down or rather stuck more in neutral. I mean his game film is good and his workouts are very good as well. After listening to Mayock's review of the Florida Pro Day Hernandez apparently has some off field issues.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    First I've heard about the off-field stuff, though I did find this, which only talks about him having a hard time with the passing of his father:

    http://www.zimbio.com/Football/articles/fGBseaetzim/Gator+Aaron+Hernandez+Wears+Heart+Arm

    I'll keep looking, but it looks like only Mike Mayock knows of said off the field issues, would've been nice for him to elaborate.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : First I've heard about the off-field stuff, though I did find this, which only talks about him having a hard time with the passing of his father: http://www.zimbio.com/Football/articles/fGBseaetzim/Gator+Aaron+Hernandez+Wears+Heart+Arm I'll keep looking, but it looks like only Mike Mayock knows of said off the field issues, would've been nice for him to elaborate.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    He threw it out there at the end of the "mixed signals" video on the NFL home page.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Holy crap, this slug ran a 4.57? Watching him he looks like a complete bust waiting to happen, but with numbers like that someone will take him early. Hope it's not us.
    Posted by mthurl

    9 sacks in 2009. 9.5 sacks in 2008. Not too shaby when you consider the level of talent in SEC.  He won't past the Dolphins at 12.  Parcels is not afraid of head-cases.  Neither is Belichick, who turned around the careers of Moss and Dillon.  Truly disruptive playmakers on DL are rare.  There are only a few like Mario Williams and Julius Peppers.  That's it.
     
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    faucet,

    I know SPikes had a terrible pro day, but he drops all the way to the 7th round?....Do you think his terrible 40 time affects his stock that much?

    Otherwise, I like your latest. I too think Gresham could slip to us at 44, and if he and Hernandez are both on the board at that spot, I'm taking Gresham. 

    I was with you on the Gerhart pick, but am reconsidering. I think I would wait until round 4, and draft Ben Tate. I like Tate's combination of size and speed...he can run with a physical style, catch the ball out of the backfield and a decent blocker. So, my latest mock would be a combo of faucet and theCommittees...with

    1-Graham
    2a-Gresham
    2b-Alualu
    2c-?
    4 - BTate

    The one I am trying to fill right now is the 2c spot. I like DWilliams or DThomas as a WR, or could wait until later rounds as suggested here. 

    With all the talk about Kam Chancellor, I think he could be had in the 2nd round. Just, as I look at him, 6'4", 230lbs, where do you put him with our plethora of safeties?....move merriweather to nickel, trade McGowan, we still have Sanders & Chung....seems awfully crowded back there. 

    Same when we I think about adding DHouston in round 2..seems like we have an over abundance of Dlinemen....sure, and upgrade is necessary, but how many can we have at that spot?....

    Perhaps take another LB...I think Misi would be nice to have with our 3rd, 2nd rounder....




     
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    I wanted to touch on a few more points from the Florida Pro-Day

    *I think Riley Cooper is firmly on their board as well after head measured in at about 6-4 219 and showed good quickness, lateral agility and explosion posting a 4.15 short shuttle and 6.73 in the 3 cone.  He's probably a 4th round option.

    *A late round option at WR could be David Nelson 6-5 217, 4.07 SS and 6.74 3C, with a 38 inch vert. 

    *Jermaine Cunningham was again unable to work out due to injury.

    *A fun fact: Hernandez did more reps at 225 than Pouncey (30 to 26)
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : http://www.nfl.com/ He threw it out there at the end of the "mixed signals" video on the NFL home page.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I watched this segment, but they only seemed to discuss Tebow?
     
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    NE one of 5 teams expected to have a private work out with Tebow:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/18/five-teams-will-take-a-closer-look-at-tebow/
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : What about the Ravens, Browns and Bengals?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    As I mentioned, I don't think a TE goes in the first round unless we take one at #22.  Teams needing a TE in the first round after our #22 are:

    26 ARI
    28 SD
    29 NYJ
    32 NO

    If you want to add BAL even though they have Todd Heap, they pick at 25.  All of these teams have higher needs with players rated higher than Gresham likely available.  Cleveland just signed Ben Watson and shelled out some decent coin to get him.  They have so many other needs that I don't see them taking a TE at 38.  There are no teams picking between 32 and us at 44 that are in dire need of a TE.  All I'm saying is that the path is potentially clear for Gresham to slip to us at 44.  Even if someone takes him as a BPA pick, we for sure will have our choice to pick the second best TE. 

    Therefore, I think our selection at 44 is Gresham.  If he's gone I think we wait until 53 or the 4th round to land one.
     
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    No excitement about Carlos Dunlap yet after the pro day?   He won't last to #22 anyway. " No matter the character issues or the questions about his intensity, it's hard for teams to pass on a 6-6, 280-pound end with 40 times of 4.57 and 4.59 on a wet field."  SportingNews.com
    Posted by TrustBill


    I think Dunlap will likely be there at #22.  Although he has tremendous physical tools he appears to take plays off and there's of course the off-the-field problems.  Granted he's only 20 and should mature and hopefully be more responsible but to take a chance on him this high and risk that he will be a problem is too great and not worth the reward IMO.  Personally, I'd pass on him even though he's at a position of need with tremendous upside.
     
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    IMHO i really believe the best place for Tebow is NE, Tebow just needs to learn to throw, and who would he have to teach him? arguely the best QB in the luege today, give him a year and watch and see, to many ppl are talking bad about him, and when he turns out to be a super bowl mvp people are going to be pinching themselves, Tebow has everything but the throw, why cant brady help him along with it? id have no problem if the Pats used there #53 pick to get him, im crossing my fingers, hope to see him in a pats uniform!
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I watched this segment, but they only seemed to discuss Tebow?
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Maybe you stopped watching it before the end?

    Mayock goes on to talk about the other Florida players and Hernandez was last and spoke highly of him and simply ended saying he has some off field issues.

    He did not elaborate.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : Maybe you stopped watching it before the end? Mayock goes on to talk about the other Florida players and Hernandez was last and spoke highly of him and simply ended saying he has some off field issues. He did not elaborate.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I watched the whole thing, was 4 min long, I haven't found anything on him outside of having trouble coping with the death of his father. 

    If you or anyone knows more, please let me know.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6 : I watched the whole thing, was 4 min long, I haven't found anything on him outside of having trouble coping with the death of his father.  If you or anyone knows more, please let me know.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    Sorry My friend.

    I gave you the wrong video to watch.



     
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    If any of you are interested I put together a new article comparing the Patriots Offensive Line to some of the other Playoff teams from this past season.

    You can check it out here.
     
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    faucet, I know SPikes had a terrible pro day, but he drops all the way to the 7th round?....Do you think his terrible 40 time affects his stock that much? Otherwise, I like your latest. I too think Gresham could slip to us at 44, and if he and Hernandez are both on the board at that spot, I'm taking Gresham.  I was with you on the Gerhart pick, but am reconsidering. I think I would wait until round 4, and draft Ben Tate. I like Tate's combination of size and speed...he can run with a physical style, catch the ball out of the backfield and a decent blocker. So, my latest mock would be a combo of faucet and theCommittees...with 1-Graham 2a-Gresham 2b-Alualu 2c-? 4 - BTate The one I am trying to fill right now is the 2c spot. I like DWilliams or DThomas as a WR, or could wait until later rounds as suggested here.  With all the talk about Kam Chancellor, I think he could be had in the 2nd round. Just, as I look at him, 6'4", 230lbs, where do you put him with our plethora of safeties?....move merriweather to nickel, trade McGowan, we still have Sanders & Chung....seems awfully crowded back there.  Same when we I think about adding DHouston in round 2..seems like we have an over abundance of Dlinemen....sure, and upgrade is necessary, but how many can we have at that spot?.... Perhaps take another LB...I think Misi would be nice to have with our 3rd, 2nd rounder....
    Posted by PatsLifer


    I probably shouldn't drop Spikes as far as I did.  Rumor is Spikes had a tight hammy and will likely run again before the draft.  If he breaks 4.9 he might stay in the 2nd to 4th range.  But, he appears to be a 2 down MLB now.  I'm reminded that Chris Spielman wasn't very fast either but he did ok.  The question remains, how high do you take a slow 2 down MLB?  Would we take him at 53, in the 4th?  I just don't know or think he's someone the Pats are looking at now.  That Pats have been all about getting faster on Defense.  They took Mayo and signed Guyton, two of the fastest three LBs in their draft class.  The DBs they've draft of late all have decent speed.


     
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    What I would do if these players were available at the places I need them to be. And it is at least plausable if not likely they will be.

    (All Picks Traded using the Draft Value Chart)

    1st Round: Trade #22 and #44 for Denvers pick at #11...selection: CJ Spiller RB, he is obviously the top RB available and then there is a sizeable drop off in impact in my opinion behind him because this kid is a 3 down back because of his running and pass catching abilities and could also be a part of the mix on returns... he is MONEY in a Patriots Uniform with Brady passing to him.

    2nd Round: #48...selection: Alex Carrington, DE, For those that don't know about him he played at Arkansas State. He has the ability to get to the quarterback while Shutting down the run. His ability to keep blockers off him with his excellent hands helps out his fast first step on pass rushing as well as run blocking.

    2nd Round: #53...trade the pick to Cleveland (they have 3 3rd round picks) for their pick at #71 in the 3rd round and their pick from Tampa Bay in the 5th round (they have 4 picks in the 5th).

    3rd Round: #71 from cleveland...selection: Roger Saffold, OT, Played for Indiana and was a standout on their line. Very smart can play anywhere along the line  has great technique and athleticism.

    Not all compensatories  awarded yet so actuall # of pick unknown. 

    4th Round: #?...selection: Tony Moeaki, TE from Iowa who is the best TE on the board but will likely slide due to injury (Concussion issue). He is a great blocking TE with receiving skills strong enough to be a factor as an outlet for Brady.

    5th Round: #? Tampa Bays pick from Cleveland trade so it is very early 5th...selection: Phillip Dillard, ILB from Nebraska who some will say benefited from Ndamukong Suh's play. He would be picked higher but he has slipped some due to he played in 9 games in 2009 missing the first two to injury and that was one more game then he played in the rest of his college career due to an ACL in 2006 and an Ankle in 2008. He did have the second most tackles on the team behind Suh (83) and despite his lack of playing time over his career he was a leader on the team.  He is also very smart which we all know the Patriots love and I think he would do nicely with Wilfork infront of him and Mayo by his side.

    6th Round: #?...selection: Brian Jackson CB, played for Oklahoma and at 6'1" 202 lbs and runs a 4.65. He has size to play the run and does so well and also has the size to help out on the TE's and large WR's in the NFL. He has also been talked about as a possible convert to Safety.

    7th Round: #?...selection: Zoltan Mesko P, who played for Michigan. He may be gone here as some have him a mid 6th round pick. Zoltan has the bigger leg but Boone has the better inside the 20 percentage due in part to his directional punting style. Either way they have to get a Punter out of this draft in my opinion.

    Patriots awarded 4 compensatories in 7th round)
    7th round Compensatory pick... why not bring in two punters? you are bound to end up with one capable of punting well in the NFL and it is a compensatory so even if you end up cutting a Punter that can play so what and a competition is good, and you might be able to trade one for a pick next year if they both work out.

    Use the other three to bring in whoever is at the top of your board at the time you pick.

    If this was anywhere close to the draft they have I would be very happy but there are so many varriables it is impossible to guess any pick let alone the whole draft as we know of it. 

     
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    I am not ruling out us taking a play maker at #22.  The obvious choices are:

    RB Jahvid Best - think they will pass due to concussion history
    RB Ryan Mathews - another Maroney type back with better hands but like Maroney didn't face elite competition.  Doubt he makes it past Houston at #20 anyway since they are rumored to be in love with him.
    WR Golden Tate - If ATL doesn't take him at #19, he's likely there
    WR Demaryius Thomas - If ATL doesn't take him at #19 he's likely there
    TE Jermaine Gresham - I think it's 50/50 he slides to us at #44 anyway so why take him this high?

    Benn ran a 4.38 - 4.44 at his Pro Day, this will likely move him back to the middle of the 2nd round.  Given BB's history of not drafting WRs in the first and the depth of good ones rated all around where we are picking in the 2nd and again the 4th, I think he passes on Tate and Thomas at #22.  If he studies other team needs and trends, I think he passes on Gresham at #22 too even though it's a huge need and he has a history of drafting TEs in the first.  But, if he feels one of those several teams needing a TE picking behind us will take Gresham and he's the one TE Belichick loves, I would not be shocked if he took him.

    The two big play backs I think we will pass on.  First because I don't think Mathews will be there and second I think Best while attractive is too risky with his injured past.

    So, I think the chances of drafting a big play maker at #22 are small.  He could have taken Percy Harvin last year.  It was rumored he liked him but we traded back then out.  I look for us to possibly trade back and out again trying to land a high 2nd and a 3rd.

    So, the choices appear to be Odrick, Graham, Kindle or Pouncey if we stay at #22.

     
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    faucet,

    If Spikes is being classified as a 2 down MLB, then I don't think he is of extreme value to the Pats in round 2...for some reason he slips all the way to round 4, I might take a look at him. 
    I think there are LB's with siginficantly more value to the Pats based on where they are...guys mbealieu and others have brought up from time to time like Misi, Weatherspoon, Cunningham, Edds, etc.



     
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