Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6
posted at 3/21/2010 8:09 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010 Mock Rounds 1-6
low-fb-iq, If i am reading you correctly, are you saying the biggest position of need in this draft is DE as compared to OLB, WR, OL, TE, RB? If I look at depth at these positions in this draft, compared our need relative to depth at each position, I think DE and OLB are the 2 positions that seem to be less deep for 3-4 defenses. I think a quality TE can be had in rounds 3 or 4, same with running back, and I would then use my 2nd round picks on WR (studs available in round 2, and OL). We've been comparing notes on DE's to play in our style...I lot of us are in agreement, that at 22, there is possibly no DE worthy of taking at this spot. OLB not so much unless you consider a Sapp, Kindle, Hughes or Graham as potential OLBs. I too agree. I don't think Odrick is worthy at 22, but I think a good DE in the mold of Seymour might be had at 22, or possibly just a few spots up if we deem him worthy of moving up....Carlos Dunlap anyone?....I like his combination of size, speed and strength, and he has the physical tools to play 3-4 DE. I've seen him anywhere from #8-#32 in round 1 on various mocks. 2 questions.... 1. Do you think Dunlap would fit the Pats 3-4 DE mold and be productive in our defense? 2. Where is Dunlap slatted to go?...can he drop to 22, or do we need to make a move slightly up if you guys deem him worthy? Assuming Dunlap can be had at 22 and would not require a move up and getting rid of our #2's....I woudl then draft accordingly... 1 - Dunlap 2a - DThomas/DWilliams 2b - Saffold 2c - Misi
Posted by PatsLifer
The story on Dunlap is more well documented out there by others. I only know what I read.
He has 1st round talent.
He has maturity issues but how many 20 years olds don't. He's still a baby.
I do think he fits the Patriots system from a style of play and athletic ability stand point alone.
Yes I think its possible he's there at #22. He's all over the place as you already stated yourself.
Would I take him at #22? I would need to be privy to seeing him up close in workouts and knowing how that compares to the players , if I was a coach for the Patriots, I see every day in practice. That's one advantage among others that they have over us fans.
This is the nitpicking season for scouts so there are also some questions about his motor and playing only when he wants to kind of thing. When he wants to be he can be pretty dominant though. Was he bored cause it was easy? Bored cause Florida won all the time? Just immature because he's 20 I do not know.
If the Patriots took him at #22 I would feel confident they did all the thorough checking on all the above stated things and still felt it was worth it. They would know better than I and I would have faith in it at that point.
I'll go back to my one thing I keep saying. Currently we have two vacant spots for starting NFL caliber talent. Well You could probably add a 3rd as well because of an injury. We do not have a 2nd starting TE. We do not have a starting RDE. We do not have a 3rd starting WR currently.
Did Reed sign with anyone yet? If not that's still a real possibility to solve that 3rd WR spot as far as going into the draft. I guess you could again remove that 3rd vacancy if you count Patten but that situation just seems odd to me and I don't know what to expect from the guy as he was not even in the NFL last season. Tate might be it as well but as Faucet has pointed out he has not done it yet in the NFL so we don't know and can't count it.
If they do something with A. Thomas then that would open another vacancy. As of right now it's not vacant. The Position is not one of strength as we all know but at least its not vacant, yet.
Wilfork did not have his best year but still very good. I think teams were able to focus on dealing with him more because they did not have a stout DE where Seymour used to be. I think it was also why you saw Wilfork in the DE spot on a limited special basis at times.
The biggest thing I find odd is that all the scouts AND many of us have been repeatedly saying this is the best DL class of players in bla bla bla fill in the blanks. Yet when I suggest taking one as a priority somewhere with in our 1st 4 picks people have questioned if they would even start ahead of Mike Wright. OK, that's true I have absolutely no way of knowing that for certain. However, if this is the best DL class in a bla bla years then how can a DE player drafted in the top 53 NOT be better than a UDFA and 6th rounder from years when the DL class was NOT the best DL class in bla bla years. To me those would be contradictory statements if you tried to say that.
Its also NOT like there is a big learning curve for the DL in the 3-4. We've all read countless quotes from VW, Ty, Sey, when he was here, that their job is easy and the scheme is only complicated for the linebackers and DB's.
If you draft a DE in the top 53 and he is not your starting RDE on day one then you either completely whiffed, always possible, or the DL class is the most over rated DL class in the history of drafts.
Just my opinion though.