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2010 NFL Draft Thread #1

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    I think we need to trade down AGAIN and stock pile pick for that fictional team somewhere in the future...
     
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    I am saying to focus the draft on the offense more than the defense-- i would be thrilled if we got the players listed above-- However, I am also saying focus FA money on the defense (to keep players and get an olb). The defense is young and will get better, but there is no need to go after many more young players on defense. They need to keep the good ones they can build around (wilfork and bodden) and spend some money on a proven difference maker at olb and allow time for the group to grow.

    The offense needs the young talented guys to mix in with brady, moss, welker, faulk, etc-- the defense needs stability and a specific and proven difference maker (OLB).
     
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    Forgot to add-- pray that crable has been worth the wait-
     
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    Geez, I can't tell you what a nice distraction this is.  Thanks Z!

    Yep, things really don't get cranking until after the senior bowl.

    #1 priority.  Defensive pash rush.  We are not going anywhere in the playoffs until we get one.

    I agree with you on the offensive line.  All of a sudden the Pats are not atheletic, are slow and are getting over powered.  What happened?  Vollmer is a huge find but it's like you said we could use 3 more pretty easily. 

    With all of our needs I would like to think we could fix the WR with FA.  The draft choices are going to be needed elsewhere like RB, TE, OL, OLB/DE. 
     
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    can edelman play on the outside in the future or is he slot only?
     
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    Maybe Carlos Dunlap drops to 22
     
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    This team needs help EVERYWHERE! Yea, yea 3rd rec, well now we need a 2nd rec. not to metion a tight end, who can actually perform tight end duties. You like go over the middle and make a tough catch, not just run a couple of seem routs and see what happens. Also this team must commit to the run if were going to keep the o-line as is. Their just not made to pass-block at all, they love getting down field on screens, draws, and quick outs. I think Spiller and/or Dywer will be there at 22. This is also a decent rec group, even though rec's in the first round is very risky. Bryant, Tate, Benn, Shipley, Decker all will be 1's and 2's in the league, IMO of coarse. This is the year to actually stay put at 22, there will be alot of talent-ready guys ready to play from day one there. Shipley, Benn, Decker and Tate I think will all fall to the 2nd round and would be great value. Im really big on the ilb position, I know we need a olb, believe I know. But their very hard to project from college to pros, and this years class isnt jumping out at me. None I think are worth taking in the first, You wanna go Hughes at 43/45, ok Ill buy it. But McClain looks like he might be the one of best D players in this draft. Dont even try and tell me that were all set at that spot, ilb needs just as much help as olb. Backs have consistently got to the edge on this D and I dont think Mayo can do it with someone who has less talent and skills as he does. I dont see him as a Willis, Lewis, Ryans, Rudd, Ryans, type of guy. Speaking of which, we could try and get into the mix with Ryans or Rudd in f/a, both are top ilb, both are leaders and we could sure up a need for the next 7-8 years.

     
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    I'd rate the Pats 2010 needs are the following:

    1. OLB we need to bring in a 3 down pass rusher, then the other side could have a 2 down OLB with TBC coming in on 3rd and long. Others in the linebacker mix (Thomas, Woods, Crable).

    2. WR we need to bring in a respectable 3rd WR. Doesn't have to be a HOF just someone that other teams will respect and take some heat off of the rest of the offense. Rather go through a trade or FA here for this position. Moss and Edlemann as the other two starters beginning of the season. Don't expect Welker back until mid-season(hopefully I'm wrong). Aiken or Tate will stay on as a special teamer.

    3. RB we need to add a workhorse running back and finally get some consistency with the running game. This will also make are passing game more effective. I'd like to see them resign Faulk for one more year. Keep Maroney hopefully as a backup and maybe see how he can do as a Faulk replacement, and dump Taylor and Morris both just too injury prone and have seen better days. Getting a fulltime dedicated FB with a low round pick might not be a bad idea.

    4. DE, I'm hoping we bring back Wilfork, and I like Warren (although hopefully he can make it through a season with out missing games). I'd like to see a good replacment that brought a game like Seymour did. Green wasn't the guy and as a FA might not be back. Liked the development of Pryor but he might not be ready for starting next year. Wright is a good backup, and Brace I see more as Wilforks backup at nose.

    5. TE, lets move on from the Ben Watson mistake. Here I'd like to get a good blocking TE that can contribute more with the run game and pass protection. If he catches 20-25 passes a season it's a positive.

    6. ILB, this position we might have based on how McKenzie comes back from injury and if Guyton progresses. Just too many missed tackles this year by our linebackers and adding a tackling machine with Mayo up the middle whethers it's one of the forementioned, draft pick, or FA would be nice.

    7. R-OL, Nick Kaczur has been our weakest link on the oline for a while, and Neal seems to be having issues with staying on the field the last couple of years. Vollmer I expect should take over LT next year. Hope we bring back Mankins, and Koppen should still be at center. Wonder if the Pats try moving Light to RT for next year. Maybe Ohrnberger, or Bussey can step it up next year. 

    I think some of the moves can be from depth where young players can step up there game next year and fill a void, but the Pats need to make some moves in FA, trades, and draft. I expect us to continue the youth movement. Next year the Pats could be flying under the radar, see NFL.com already has the end of the dynasty, so maybe next year the Pats can take everyone by surprise.
     
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    I think Ed's is a slot rec only, not to say he cant line up outside sometimes, but I think hes a perfect slot rec. Hes faster than Welker which could mean getting into the end zone more, that is a huge problem with this team. No other team with serious goals has only  ONE scoring threat, only one. That blows my mind!
     
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    this guy would be a fantastic WR to pick up in the later rounds:
    Freddie Barnes
    he catches everything and is INCREDIBLY fast, id love to see him besides moss/welker/edelman
     
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    one answer for the patriot woes on defense:
    Ndamukong Suh


    "Bill, make it happen" ,

    "whether it be by hook or by crook,
    Bill Make it Happen!"
     
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    I think ilb is as much of a need as olb. Like Wiz said and anyone else who really watched them this year, wrapping up was a big problem. I agree we need a olb, but I dont see Hughes, Wooten etc as first rounders. Second ok Ill buy it, but we cant miss with our first. And on ilb how about Rudd or Ryans, both of their teams are crazy for not locking em' up, why not get into the mix. Both are machines, leaders and top 5 guys at their respected spots. Theres alot of talent in F/A this year. And another thing I think really hurt us is losing Sey, I would have taken the  first rounder as well, but not having him did hurt us. IMHO hes a top 5 34 end all time. As many of you know a 34 end is primirely suppose to stop the run, Sey did that as well as anyone and would get pressure on the QB. He was good for 4-5 sacks year.
     
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    Z
    Could you please give your thoughts or a draft ranking on RB Scott from LSU ?

    I'd like to see McCluster in this O. I think he could be what could have been in the Harvin pick. That some say was stolen by the Viks. I'm not sure where how high up the boards hes climbed. I think he would serve as a Faulk replacement.


    Two areas that need addressed are KR and PR. I know these are not first thoughts and Butler and Edelman did well there. However lets hope the plan going forword is not beating the he// out of our starters.

     
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    Have to disagree again ZBELL, having a very good 34end or in our case not having one is a huge deal. Lets forget about Suh for the moment, if this team has Sey I really  believe their 2-3 notches better. Great 34ends are extremely hard to find, especially one that can put pressure on the QB. Hey like I said earlier I would have taken the 1st rounder too, but not having him was huge for us IMHO. He automaticly makes our backers better, hey maybe its me, but he was the best 34 end in the game.  Not having him certainly hurt us.
     
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    And ZBELL you think a pass rush or lack of was the only problem on D this year, u kidding me. Sorry, but you obvi. havnt been paying atttention.  Im not trying to talk smack..or maybe I am, whatever, but wrapping up was a huge problem for us. Up the middle, around the edge, out on the flat, wherever, this team needs another ilb as much as a pass rush. And as we speak filling that need is much easier than finding a great pass rusher. You really want to gamble on taking one in  the first round, maybe trading for one, ok, but who? Their are more guys in the draft and F/A that fill the hole at ilb than outside. Hey Im not saying its not a need, but we cant keep talking about the problem w/out coming up w/ a solution.
     
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    I'm thinking a power back might make the most sense this year, and perhaps draft Faulk's replacement next year.

    I love Best, and think he could be a major force for us, but Best, Faulk and Maroney doesn't make a very well rounded stable of backs.


     
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    Z as I posted earlier in my blog (www.patriotsfootballplace.com). Make the O less predictable and the opposing D is not having that same success with the blitzes. The blitz success was also a byproduct of the situation of the game, being down and forced to pass. It just exacerbates the situation.

    I think the FO needs as much overhaul as anything else. They have been raided heavily this decade.

    You are absolutely right about the offense but i don't blame it all on blitz pickup or the OL. Predictable predictable predictable and it started in 2007 which is why the majority of the games generally got closer and closer against the good teams and eventually they lost in the superbowl. Unfortunately as long as things happen to working at the time or they continue to win then not many people see or question anything. Brady's stats this year are deceiving. He had a lot of critical mistakes this year that put his team and especially the D in tough situations.

    In the last 2 post season appearances the great Tom Brady and his vaunted offense have put up only 14 points each game. Nothing more really needs to be said.

    People can flap their jaws all they want about the defense but I don't see teams in today's NFL giving up fewer than 14 points per game on average. That's what the Patriots D would need to become if the Offense is only going to score you 14 in the post season.

    I wrote twice about the Offense's ineptitude prior to the playoffs here.

    http://patriotsfootballplace.blogspot.com/2010/01/playoff-push-just-how-far.html

    http://patriotsfootballplace.blogspot.com/2010/01/patriots-second-half-woes-continue.html

     
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    Thanks Z

    I saw a lot of Bowls. Not much in season games. I know when Ole Miss played TN. Eric Berry was nowhere to be found and McCluster had a field day. Tn has another TE coming out that blocks and catches well.

    There was a LB #40 from USC east (gamecocks) that came with high praise. Iowa had a TE that played big.Jerry Hughes played up to the hype and the LB #41 that played behind him. I'm all out hoping that LB McClain from bama is the pick. I think he could play inside or out and he knows how to get home when called on.
     
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    Arodrambone, Best, a power back? Have you seen him..at all?
     
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    LowIQ couldnt agree more about this O, I also have been saying since the 07 season. Moss has been my fav player ever, but I rout for my team more than anything and as much as I love him, we depend on him way to much. Have been saying that his entire time here, he's are only scoring threat, that is unbelievable, every "good" team in the league has multilple weapons, Colts, NO, Minne, Arizona, GB, Dallas, all of them. Play calling has been putrid, and when this team needs a big game our o-line is a rumor. But I think out D has a couple of problems that cant go untouched. ZBELL it seems like you think all we need is a pass rush and thats it. You couldnt be more wrong, I was wondering why you wont respond to someone who disagrees w/ you?
     
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    Make the O less predictable and the opposing D is not having that same success with the blitzes.

    Brady shotgun, Moss deep,Welker/Edelman in the vacuum with TE's blocking only has so many options. actually 2 a draw or screen to the back

    The blitz success was also a byproduct of the situation of the game, being down and forced to pass.
    e.g.
    Mike Vrabel 07. It made many think we had a pass rush back when 

    Forced to pass from being down was mostly today. The other blown leads were the deep balls just seem to not to be there most of the year. Mostly in the second half (3 an outs). 1st down a drop or missed deep ball to back of a team thats down. That puts you at 2nd and 10 which means you forecast run by bringing in Maroney to get to 3rd and manageable. But you cant cause you just forecasted run. Now it's 3rd and long. Then it's double cover or bring the BLITZ


    it started in 2007

    IT ALL STARTED IN 07  Brady quit finding the open guy. We all should remember seeing the ball sail over open guys to a double or triple covered Moss. Dallas game comes to mind. But it was before that.


     Sorry guys    
        back to the draft
     
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    Ok that answers that question, its great to have and come up with your own opinion, but when your wrong, your wrong. Saying that the Pats can fix their D by getting a pass rush and thats it was a dumb thing to say. I love how people on here say anything, with no evidence to back it up at all. And when someone call you on it, their nowhere  to be found. Hey to each his/her own, Im all for that. But one of the biggest reasons were on here is to debate, go back n forth, and share ideas, but we have way to many kitties on here that say stupid chit and wont even try to back it up. I dont care how dumb one sounds with a thought or an idea, believe me Im not the smartest or brightest by any stretch at all. But I try an come up with MY OWN opinions, ideas, and thoughts and will debate and argue with anyone and Im not afraid to lose. Just dont run and hide, and back it up how you see it.
     
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    Man would someone as simple as a Jabar Gaffney look good in New England right now.  

    I like a lot of the free agent receivers.  I don't think there's any way Jerry Jones lets Miles Austin get away, so I take him off the board.  Same for Vincent Jackson.  I do like Steve Breaston a lot, and I think Malcolm Floyd could do some damage in this offense.
     
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    Theres no way Marshell goes back to Denver after this year. That tension never went away, just was hidden well. Moss/Marshell/and/or Breaston or Walter would absolutely be a crazy rec-core. I hate to say it, but I dont think Welker will ever be the same and he wont be back until atleast Nov-Dec. I see no reason why we couldnt go after Marshell and Breaston, with 81 that might be the biggest group in the league and the best. And how about Sceffhller at tight end, hes a top 10 t.e. and would fit right in our system. I like some of the F/A's on D as well. Rudd and Ryans are machines and leaders. Both are top 5 backers, why not get in that mix. I think we need help at inside just as much as outside.
     
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    ZBellino. Was really pleased to see you now adding a lot of your thoughts lately. Have missed your detailed and informative insights. I think you and Lazarus have terrific points and I always look for and value your threads. Perhaps BB could add you both to the Pats staff. About time they took notice of the wise fans .....who probably know as much as OBrien and Pees do.
    Just a point on the difference in games today. Green Bay and Arizona was a cracker and could only wonder why we can't get that passing play particularly over the middle to receivers.
    If you notice most teams left have good TEs who do massive damage.eg Clark, Whitten, Shockey, Gates and even Dave Thomas ex Pats seems to be doing well
    with the Saints. Surely we must buy into that scheme as well as they are match winners.
    Look at Packers' Jermichael Finley and even Spencer Havner today!
    Keep up the work on the draft. BB may even read them one day!

     
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