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2010 NFL Draft Thread #1

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    Low good point, the Pats have been able to play at a high level because of depth we had which is no longer the case.  We had guys that could have started in other teams and we had them coming off the bench. 
    As long as we have the same guys to depend on it will remain a bad D, don't care how good VW is if he's getting doubled and tripled team he's going to get tired if no one else can step in a few plays VW will just be an average player because fatigue sets in.
    Then you only put one guy on him and put blockers on the LBs which then makes a 2 yard run into an 80 yard run.  We need quality players, I hope Brace in his second year becomes a factor.
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    anyone be upset with this draft? Only pick i can argue is 1st round Hughes going to the Jets, would want the Jerks getting a top notch OLB for years to come.  But good draft for the Pats, I've been vocal about a TE in the first round yes but also know BB drafts best player available if he can't trade out of the spot.  I would rather see a DL/OLB at the 22nd.
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    your post is admirable and with great effort.............more so then the effort the team put out on the field Sunday. With that said.......every year I get excited for the draft only for it to come and BB trade it doesn't work..........we have passed on some dozen linebackers .........THAT HAVE ALL PLAYED LIGHTS OUT..............only cause we don't want to pay people.............BB will trade away the pick again as he always your time and effort in typing up such a good topic...............
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    What's this always krap?  Two years ago he slid down to pick up Mayo.  It was the right thing to do!  Last year there were some questions because of the players that were left on the table.  Everyone was crying about passing up on Maualuga and later in hindsight complained about not getting Matthews.  How chickensh*t is that?  

    The other thing to consider is what did we pick up?  Did that pick fill a need.  I can be on board with you on one thing.  The Pats did seem very disinterested in LBs early.  We talked about it on this board when the LBs all got over 30.  There was no youth in the LB department.  Perhaps not addressing it much earlier is what is biting them in the shorts now. 
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    How is this for an idea - we trade ALL of our draft picks for whatever NFL players we can get with them.  Let's face it, our draftees have looked awful - Merriweather and Mayo couldn't tackle Laura Maroney if she danced into their j*ck strap.  Wilhite, Brace, Wheatley ... enough said. Vollmer and Pryor and Jules have been good, but that's about it.

    Seems like we've got a bunch of cocky kids who don't care about football (e.g. Merriweather laughing as we were losing).  Suggs said Seau is our best defender.  Maybe we should stick with the veterans. 
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    The committee:

    You have the quote wrong at the end of each of your posts. Brady made that statement to Robert Kraft while he was bringing in a pizza for a rookie meeting (or something like that). He didn't say that to Belichick.
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    Whoops. My Bad. Thanks for the heads up.
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    OLB seems to be the most talked about topic regards the Pats in draft and free agency.

    I am not learned enough to understand all the workings of 3/4 and vice versa and DEs vs OLBs etc.......and I don't know the players in the draft either.

    However looking at the pattern of past drafts coaches are very hesitant to take OLBs in round one. For example in 2008 V.Gholston went to the Jets from round one.

    In 2009 San Diego took Larry English(16), Broncos Robert Ayers (18), Packers Clay Matthews (28). Houston took Brian Cushing but is he classed as an OLB or ILB?

    Thus we must be careful that we don't all get what we wish too much for as we may get it. Must be extremely hard to predict about OLBs.

    Thus is it better to load up on bigger DEs who could be able to fit our system and thus drop back to LB if tangibles don't exactly work out eg speed, size etc.

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    I look at how they got pushed around on Sunday (with Wilfork and Warren), and can see them picking a big 3-4 DE in the first round. Belichick clearly likes picking these guys based on his past strategies. 
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    Like I said earlier, the only two positions that I can see Belichick addressing in round one are OL and DE, with the latter (in my opinion) as the more likely. I doubt that Belichick will bite on an OLB in the first round because, quite simply, there is nobody at that position that fits Belichick's scheme that would warrant a first round selection. I personally see Belichick taking either a large DE like Corey Wooton or perhaps even a DT like Jared Odrick from Penn State to fill in the right DE spot vacated by Seymour.

    How the Pats attack the O-Line situation will depend greatly upon that status of Matt Light on draft day. If he signs with the Pats again, Belichick will likely look at OG first before addressing OT. If Light's status is in limbo, that opens up a whole new can of worms.
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    Let the Youtube Highlight clips begin. 

    TE from Iowa Tony Moeaki  The Tongan Superman had a big Orangebowl, 2nd Team All American.  Looks like he can catch and get open as opposed to Ben Watson.  Pats haven't had a good Pacific Islander since Mosi Taputu.

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    why waist the pick on a TE in round on or two when we can trade up and get two WR in the first round and have Vollmer Light and Kazur in the game with Vollmer declaring as a pass option

    For example if Dez Bryant falls and we can get him at 22 and trade back into the first for Damian Williams...

    the DE/OLB's are sliding in this draft due to past bust like Gholston

    We could still get a quality RB like toby Geirhart in the 2 nd and a TE in the 4th

    we have depth at both lines we need weapons

    by dumping Taylor, Springs and Thomas we pick up some cash

    Trade Maroney and sign a free agent CB while retaining Bodden

    Seau came in for Guyton so clearly Guyton was the issue not Mayo

    all i am saying is the answer to success in 2010 is offensive weapons and OC scheme... we need to utilize Edleman in the slot with rank flank out wide as usual but my feeling is a threat like Bryant/William and Brandon Tate will help Moss shine again

    i would really like to seal how McKenzie and Crabel do before we invest another pick on a line backer

    the pass rush needs to come from another source... posibly Aron Kampman of Greenbay?
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    ZBellino and others, after watching the 2-3 games that Brace got pushed around in, what do you think his problem is?  Do you think its a matter of getting stronger or its a technique thing?

    Reason why I'm asking is if its strengh, then that can be fixed with an offseason strength program or technique he can learn. Assuming his problem is fixable, then that makes for an interesting potential front 3: 

    That would leave the Pats looking for these priorities:
    Defense: OLB / ILB (FA Corner -need experience back there while Butler develops)
    Offense: WR / RT /  RB  (Kaczur looks like he can move to RG)

    Just trying to be realistic about the number of Draft picks. They cant exactly going to draft a whole new team :-)

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    Can someone please tell me why they are on ZBELLS tip? Im sorry but this guy is talking out of both sides, on one hand saying having Sey wouldnt have helped or changed much last game or this year. And then pointing out as we all saw that Rice was consistently running to what  would have been his side. And teams did that all year. On another post he said that if we had a pass rush our D would be fine and then on another saying if we had one it wouldnt had made a differnce last game. Garbage, 100% pur garbage, only reason Im harping is because he runs when challenged, I tried to ask him and was nice about it, but he left or was hiding when I did. Pass rush isnt our only need at all and if you think so your either not watching or your an idiot. Our ilb play was putrid this year, Mayo was beat on the edge and maybe most concerning up the middle as well. A 34 end is a huge need on this team and safety as well. We could improve at FS and SS, as Merriweather had problems tackling, and was taking terrible angles all year long to run and get after guys. McGowen did a decent job, but if a guy like Thomas is there on draft day for us, that would be a huge upgrade. Hey I tried to be nice and have a lil' friendly debate, thats one of the reasons were on here you know, but your either scared or afraid the dumbest of the stupid will stop slurping you!
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    Geoff I dont like Vince at the 5 technique, I think hes just a natural nt or dt, I love the 34 D, but I really think the Pats should at least ponder going back to the 43. We, at least right now dont have the atheletes for the two gap scheme. I think we should seriously consider it.
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    Who knows the truth about Brace?  I suspect it has to do with the pro game so Brace has to get stronger and get pro scemes down.  Wilfork went through the same thing but I don't believe it was this bad. 

    I believe the priority will be pass rush and two LBs will be there that can do the job.  Kindle and Hughes.  It is important to re-sign Bodden and Wilfork.  I think that that is all that can be done defensively.

    Offensively WRs can be gotten by FA.  RT&RG are needed.  Gone are Light and Neal.  Kaczur turned into a guard?  I don't know.  Must re-sign Mankins.  The right side will be pretty young.  The Pats have never gone after a big OL FA so I don't think they start doing it now.  They may surprise.  RB in the first 4 picks is needed in my opinion.  You have Maroney, Faulk and Taylor. 

    If we hit on these things the Pats should do quite well. 
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    If we are worried now, have a look at our draw for next season.

    Pats line up against most of the best quarterbacks in the NFL who throw a better percentage of plays.

    Thus it is more imperative to improve our pass rush and overall defence through draft or free agency or suffer the consequences.

    Get some skilled players who can tackle and hav heart.

    Embarrassing when Baltimore's Trevor Pryce says Junior Seau was our best defensive player.

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    I mentioned Marcus in my Upgrading DL through FA.  He would be a stud pairing him with VW.  He's a veteran that would bring a burst of energy to that line, I would say pay that man bring him in!
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    With all this talk about veteran leadership missing on the D, thinking the D might see more FA action with the O getting more upgrades through the draft. Just as long as there are FA leaders on D out there.
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    Problem is ....according to Albert that there isn't much on the FA front defensively, due to the uncapped year situation.  Time will tell.
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    Great Thread....ZBellino said this earlier in this thread....that the Pat's need to change the philosophy a bit.  Much of that was a result of the core being in place then drafting around that core.  They would identify some needs, but more importantly 12-15 they were interested in and then draft at their perceived value, which for the most part resulted in the Pat's trading down until it was time for them to pick them.   

    Now that the core has been weakened due to age, retirement and lack of develpment, the Pat's do indeed need to bit the bullet a bit and draft someone who they feel can step in right away as opposed to whom they feel will develop into someone who can step in down the road.  ZBellino said they have a collection guys who are good but not great.  I agree.  Parcells years ago alluded to this by infering that a team made up of 4th rounders will be just that. 

    That said, I agree on the OL, Vollmer was nice addition to an aging front.  But another one would have been nice.  They've got their projects (i.e. Ornberger, Connelly, etc.) but how many have truly developed other than Neal?  Now he's at or certainly very near the end. 

    I like Guyton.....but... not as a starter.  They also need to fix the edge.  I think Wilfork is a must.  But's let's get into that further.  Surrounding him with better talent will make him and the defense as awhole all the more improved.  Losing him, would set it back huge.  What's easier to fix??? Finding guys like him are tough.  So I'd say he is a must.  One has to wonder the reluctance to paying him.  Maybe it's perceived only.  What I mean is that once AD is gone et al they will have the $$$ to pay Vince.  I'm saying maybe it is/was a simply cash flow situation. 

    Corner back.  One can only surmise they improve if the pass rush improves.  Bodden was ok.  Butler so far looks good. The experiment with the Wihite and Wheatley may be over and personally ....good .....because for wahtever reason I always had trouble identifying them.  Was Wheatlley form Colorado??? Or was he the one from Auburn?  Was he the 2nd rounder or the 4th?  Vice Versa.  Another  CB can certainly help.  To me this will be interesting as to how they approach this need. 

    Safety is set for now.  I might add that even were they feel they are set they will still bring in guys to compete.

    Moving to offense...again...I mentioned the OL earlier.  WR, to me must be filled by a Number 2 WR (particulary a veteran in view of the fact that Welker won't be back until 2011.  Sure there is a chance mathematically (9-10 months) that he could be back by November.  Even if they exercise the PUP, I doubt they use a roster spot for a hope and a prayer.  After that they have Edleman for the slot and Tate as a #4, Aiken as a #5/Special teamer.

    RB.  Not the most pressing need. 

    TE.  Would like to see something done here.  I think they obviously tried this past offseason with Smith, but Watson survived.  He's too inconsistent catching the ball.

    In closing, I think they can still patch and match on offense.  But defense needs the infusion of two new core players, be it an OLB and/or CB.

    It will be interesting. 

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    schwank I agree with most everything you have said but I would disagree with you in your final analysis of what needs to be done.  IMO the defense has talent.  It experienced some growing pains last year but we will be better off for it.  If Crable and McKenzie (two third round draft picks) can stay healthy, they could provide a huge boost to our pass rush as they were great pass rushers in college.  The Patriots need impact players and, sadly, Belichick's defensive schemes don't allow rookies (unless they are major talents like Mayo/Wilfork) to step in immediately. 

    The Patriots MUST draft a star-caliber RB.  There are a lot of them in this draft and not too many teams in search of a frachise back so the Pats may be able to find good value.  Star RB CAN make an immediate impact.  Especially given the 34 year olds and Maroney are the guys he would have to replace.  TE is also an issue but above all, the Patriots must fix their running game.  A better running game with better/bigger offensive linemen will help the Pats regain their edge and help the defense stay fresh (a major problem this year) and possibly inadvertently improve the pass rush. 
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    italianpastamasta1.....that's a mouthful.  I don't disagree with your post.  I'd like to see what Crable and McKenzie bring when healthy.  I may be wrong, but McKenzie may be a little undersized, but he's got alot of heart from what I've read.  Crable, just don't know.  He played along with Woods, Prescott Burgess, Woodley, and Harris, but like alot of the Michigan, guys they are recruited out of high school as safeties that develope into LB's.  Can't recall on Crable, but he is very brittle.

    You're right on RB,  the core is old and I don't like Maroney's style nor his inability to catch the ball.  Faulk and Sammy Morris are great out of the backfield in passing situations.  Morris is becoming brittle. 

    I just think it's easier to find a RB than say and edge rusher, DL, etc. 

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    Agree on drafting the impact Seymour replacement in 2011, ZB, but without  sustained pressure from the line (yeah that includes pass rush) this defense could have Dick Lane, Deion Sanders, and Revis (in the nickle) and still get shredded. I'd like a physical corner in 2nd round, however, lack of draft depth at the position is a concern (can we get Myron Rolle after he's done his Quantum Mechanics Relativity Thesis). Seriously, BB understands positional value we could see OL and DL in 1st or 2nd. Still want Dwyer though.
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    DL and OLB have to be 1 and 2 priority.  OL WR or RB for the offense is also important.