Re: 2011 Draft best draft in longtime
posted at 11/25/2011 10:50 AM EST
In Response to Re: 2011 Draft best draft in longtime
[QUOTE]As much as I bash their recent drafts, Gronk is an all world steal, Hernandez helps the offense and Solder is an amazing talent. Mankins turned out well and Mayo too. It's just that when you had 16 picks in the first two rounds over the last 4 years I expected more. When you trade down into the second round because you think there's value there, those players need to perform like first rounders. When you say you have many guys rated the same in selections 33-45 as guys rated 22-32, then the guys you select need to perform that way. Brace, Butler, Spikes, Cunningham, Wheatly, Volmer, Dawling, Vareen, Chung (only guy performing like he should, and he's far from perfect) haven't performed like second rounders, never mind first's. And if you want to include third rounders it's even worse. Of course this is all moot if Vareen turns into Brian Westbrook or Curtis Martin and Ridley turns into Corey Dillon...
Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]
Vollmer and Spikes were picked number 58 and number 62.... NOT 33-45 range. In my opinion they were hits in that rd and good value.
Spikes fell b/c he wasn't considered fast enough to be a 3 down LB but in a 3-4 D bringing toughness/passion and big hits for 2 downs he was great value at 62.
Vollmer was a bit of a reach at the time b/c he was from Germany and hadn't played the game too long. He was considered a bit of a raw talent w/ great size. But we have an amazing O-line coach to help development and he's become a very solid RT. Perfect value at number 58.
If you re-did that draft I'd argue that both those players get picked 15-20 spots higher.
Cunningham, Vareen and Dowling all get to have the 2012 season to show if they were worthy of those selections, so you can't give them a report card yet.
So basically in the past 3 drafts that we've had multiple 2nd rd picks BB blew the Wheatly, Brace and Butler picks. We should have stood pat in rd 1 and gotten Matthews or used those picks in 09 on Jairus Byrd and LeSean McCoy. Wheatley is going back almost 4 years and was the 2nd to last pick in the '08 draft, but yes I'd have argued that with Maroney having more than work out his welcome after 3 full seasons that pick should have been Jamaal Charles.
Three of his 2nd rd picks (Wheatley, Butler and Dowling) were direct results of not signing Asante Samuel and Brace was insurance in case we didn't extend Wilfork... showing that is is always dumb to not lock up a pro-bowl top 5 player on your team 2-3 years in advance so you don't have to try and replace them through the draft.