2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    MB, I would rather have the "Monster" DE or OLB; but I would not be unhappy if Pats go Petterson.  He is Revis-like and would give us something that we have not have since the Pioli-BB brainfreeze let Asante Samuel get away!
     
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    At this point, I'd take Peterson over Quinn as well. Belichick likes to minimize his risks in the first round. CB in college translates well to CB in the NFL. Peterson has a high floor and the highest ceiling. Quinn will have to make a position change if he comes to New England. In the top 10, that is a huge risk to take.
     
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    [QUOTE]Kyle, I agree Pouncey is not the Koppen type center.  But with more 3-4 Ds we need a center that can handle the NTs that attack the middle of the line.  Koppen gets blown back by some of the better NTs.  Pouncey can protect against that.  He also adds the versitility that BB loves since he can play both C/OG.  I also think he might be avail for our 1st rd pick. On Peterson, yes I think we have invested heavily in DBs lately, but a talent like this is just too good to pass up if he is there.  CB is not like QB where u only need one barring injury.  This is a passing league and u can never have too many Cbs.  Add one with size, and super potential, hard to say no.  I talked about him since before last years draft.  We all see what Revis does for the Jets, I would like to have our own, bigger version.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]

    I think Koppen has played extremely well this year. The natural successor to him would be someone like Stefan Wisniewski or Kristofer O'Dowd, guys who are strong, smart, and quick technical centers. I know what your saying about Pouncey, but he is a better fit for an OLine designed to overpower the opposition, not for the Pats system. In anycase, I think OLine should be further down in our draft needs than some of our other priorities. We may be able to come away with Wisniewski in the late 2nd round or O'Dowd in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
     
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    Kyle I think you are absolutely correct.  However I also see the expansion of the 3-4 D and huge monster NTs causing a need for a change. 
     
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    Like to see them draft these three guys at least:

    Leonard Hankerson - WR
    Allen Bailey - DE
    Damien Berry - RB
     
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    Just out of curiosity and because I'm not the biggest draftnik in the world, is there a definitive website that you guys prefer that has all the measurable of these guys that I don't have to pay for? 

    Size, weight, 40 and shuttle times...
     
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    I was hoping for Locker and Mallett to do better than what they are presently showing.  That would help push down some talent that we need to the Pats.  But alas, it doesn't look like any QB is going to worth that top pick.

    I am high on Mallett so maybe he can recover some to where Cleveland and Buffalo might sniff around. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I was hoping for Locker and Mallett to do better than what they are presently showing.  That would help push down some talent that we need to the Pats.  But alas, it doesn't look like any QB is going to worth that top pick. I am high on Mallett so maybe he can recover some to where Cleveland and Buffalo might sniff around. 
    Posted by garytx[/QUOTE]

    i don't think we'd draft a QB in the first roound, they would want playing time instead of being an understudy. guys like Locker, Mallett and even Luck are ready to come in next year and start, like Ryan did in Atlanta.

    But one of these days BB will have to draft someone to replace TB in 4 years.
     
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    1RD Mark Ingram RB or Patrick Peterson CB (best available with the Raiders pick)

    1RD Bailey or Heyward DE

    2RD Kerrigan or Romeus OLB

    2RD Stefen Wisniewski C/G

    3RD Curtis Brown CB or Daniel Thomas RB (depending on 1st pick)

     
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    [QUOTE]Just out of curiosity and because I'm not the biggest draftnik in the world, is there a definitive website that you guys prefer that has all the measurable of these guys that I don't have to pay for?  Size, weight, 40 and shuttle times...
    Posted by wozzy[/QUOTE]

    Wozzy,

    The site I use for this is CBS Sports.  Here's the link.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011
     
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    If the season ended this moment (late game and Mon results not yet known) our draft order would be something like this thru the first 4 rounds.

    1 (5) from Oak
    1 (22)
    2 (34) from CAR
    2 (54)
    3 (86)
    4 (111) from DEN
    4 (122)

    These aren't exact orders since tie breakers and comp picks to be awarded after the 3rd round are not yet known.  But we are sitting pretty, keep losing OAK and CAR!!

     
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    Wozzy,

    You can also look here. Both are great.


    I believe the draftscout guys do both CBS and their own site. I think those lists are incomplete, because neither site looks at juniors who are likely to come out. For instance, Ingram and Peterson. Those two guys enter the draft most likely, and when they do they will rewrite the top five-ten. 

    ESPN's McShay does a great job every year too on iNsider. 
     
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    Now down to business.  I didn't read every post on this thread but skimmed every one.  Our biggest needs IMO heading into 2011 are: 

    #1 OLB  We have nothing here.  Cunningham was a 4th round talent that we reached for.  Ninkovich is a back up.  TBC is a 3rd down pass rushing specialist and Crable can't find his way out of the infirmary.  Dane Fletcher has more upside than any of these guys, IMO.  But can anyone argue this isn't our top need?

    #2 RB  We don't have anyone signed past 2010.  Taylor and Faulk will likely retire.  Morris could re-sign but he can't stay healthy.  BJGE will be restricted so he's the only safe bet to return.  That said, don't bank on BB taking a RB in the first round.  The only time he did was Maroney and that didn't work out too great.  Still if Ingram declares and is sitting there with that Raider pick, it would sure be tempting.

    #3 OG  Mankins is gone, Neal is signed thru 2011 but is a threat to retire or get injured.  Connolly looks ready to fill one of the guard spots.  Ohrnberger can't be impressing because he was waived then resigned to the PS.  Ojinnaka was just waived so we have no depth here.  A C/OG like Pouncey, as many have suggested on this thread, is not a bad idea with our #1 or the CAR high 2nd.

    #4 OT  Matt Light is a free agent and will want a raise.  Can't see it, he's already the third highest paid player behind Brady and Moss.  Vollmer can move to LT once Kazcur returns but we have zero depth behind them.  I really like Vollmer on the right side so finding a stud LT could be a first round consideration in 2011.

    #5 DE  Ty Warren making a full recover is key.  Ron Brace is starting to flash a little at the position but if the next Richard Seymour can be found I wouldn't hesitate pulling the trigger early in the draft.  Everything starts up front.  G. Warren is a F/A, Pryor, Wright and Deaderick?  Don't see any Pro Bowls in their futures.

    #6 WR  If Moss leaves, our need at WR could move up but the Pats just don't draft WR often and seldom high.  In the end I think Moss stays.  The team loves him, he loves the team and Brady.  If he stays he could break some records some though impossible, like 197 TD (Rice).

    #7 S  McGowan's future is uncertain.  Meriweather lost his starting job (last week).  Sanders is far from great.  Chung is starting to look like the real deal.  A solid FS is needed.

    We have 7 picks in the top ~ 122, 4 in the top 54.  So, we can address each of the above needs before getting out of the 4th round.

    I'm not listing CB as a top need at this point.  I think Bodden/McCourty make a solid pair.  Spending a high pick on a CB I would only consider if Peterson is still on the board at #5.  Right now I have Patrick Peterson ranked #2 in the draft.  I am not suggesting, as others have, that Peterson is the next Darrelle Revis, he's 2 inches shorter but getting him would certainly give us a very deep and talented secondary.


    I'll be back soon with my way-too-early mock. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Wozzy, You can also look here. Both are great. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ I believe the draftscout guys do both CBS and their own site. I think those lists are incomplete, because neither site looks at juniors who are likely to come out. For instance, Ingram and Peterson. Those two guys enter the draft most likely, and when they do they will rewrite the top five-ten.  ESPN's McShay does a great job every year too on iNsider. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Another good site that doesn't have all the measureables but includes juniors is below.

    http://cdsdraft.com/rankings/top-100/
     
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    My way-too-soon 2011 mock.

    1 (5) from Oak WR Julio Jones, Alabama, 6-4, 210.  If Moss leaves, and he declares, he's the man, BB doesn't like WRs this high.  But I'd take him or try to trade down.  There just isn't anything else at 5 that fits our scheme.  Jones is a lock to be a stud WR.  Patrick Peterson would be a real consideration is he's still there.  I know I didn't even state CB as a high need but man, our secondary would be pretty darn solid if we took Peterson.

    1 (22)  C/OG Mike Pouncey, Florida, 6-4, 310, 5.28.  We passed on brother Pouncey last year.  The Florida connection continues. I expect Mike to improve at Center this year as the season wears on to become the versatile inside player that BB loves.  #22 is about the right spot for him.

    2 (34) from CAR OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA 6-3, 254, 4.70.  He can drop, cover, and rush.  Has good hands.  Keep your eyes on him.  Hes' not ranked this high yet, but he will be. 

    2 (54) RB Noel Devine, West Virginia, 5-8, 180, 4.35.  He might not last this long but if he does, he's our next Kevin Faulk.  We didn't get McCluster last draft, I'm hoping we can trade up or land Devine here.

    3 (86) CB Chris Rucker, Mich State, 6-2, 4.55.  A big corner who is playing well so far. 

    4 (111) from DEN  OT Chris Hairston, Clemson, 6-7, 325, 5.18.  I bet he moves up considerably from here since scouts love him but for now this is where he is ranked.  Love the long arms and height to book end with Vollmer.

    4 (122) FS Jermale Hines, Ohio State, 6-2, 215, 4.59. 
     
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    Faucet, u do realize that Peterson is 6'01" and listed at 222lbs?  He is taller than Revis right?
     
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    [QUOTE]Pats7393/PatLifer, In regards to the "who do you take if both Quinn and Peterson are available" debate.  My feeling is (and this is assuming that come draft time, both are still considered top 5-10 talents) you go with Peterson and here's why.  Sure this team is in need of pass rush talent, but I'd be more prone to take a kid with shut down potential, a player that could essentially take away half the field on defense (a la Darrelle Revis), which would also benefit the pass rush, that to me provides the most value to a team.  Not to mention his ability to potentially impact the game on special teams (particularly in the return game), which plays into the "4 down player" label that McCourty received. I also don't think having McCourty and Bodden moving forward should hold the team back from taking another CB, their goal should be to get the best player available.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    MB,
    Consider me the converted on Peterson. I watched the LSU game over the weekend and paid special attention to Peterson. Although not a stellar game for him, he does seem to be around the ball often and make plays. I like his size and the way he plays the game. 
    If there is a comparable DE/OLB (meaning game changer) fit for our scheme, I would be interested in knowing who you think that would be? Someone you would be equally as happy the Pats getting with Oaklands pick. 
    I initially thought Quinn, but not sure I would lump him in the game changer mold. I think Quinn is solid for sure and would be a fine addition to our D. 

    I guess it comes down to where you think the most improvement has to come. To me, given who may or may not be around next year on our roster, I'm more concerned with the front 7 than the back 4. I think we could use players in both areas, then there is free agency of course...any good DL / OLB's available next year in FA?

     
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    [QUOTE]Wozzy, You can also look here. Both are great. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ I believe the draftscout guys do both CBS and their own site. I think those lists are incomplete, because neither site looks at juniors who are likely to come out. For instance, Ingram and Peterson. Those two guys enter the draft most likely, and when they do they will rewrite the top five-ten.  ESPN's McShay does a great job every year too on iNsider. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]
    Once we get closer to the draft, CBS/nfldraftscout does a much better job organizing for the draft. They'll be a lot more useful then. iNsider is too expensive to look at what McShay does Wink
     
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    If AJ Green is on the board you cant select Julio no way in hell. 
     
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    [QUOTE]My way-too-soon 2011 mock. 1 (5) from Oak WR Julio Jones , Alabama, 6-4, 210.  If Moss leaves, and he declares, he's the man, BB doesn't like WRs this high.  But I'd take him or try to trade down.  There just isn't anything else at 5 that fits our scheme.  Jones is a lock to be a stud WR.  Patrick Peterson would be a real consideration is he's still there.  I know I didn't even state CB as a high need but man, our secondary would be pretty darn solid if we took Peterson. 1 (22)  C/OG Mike Pouncey , Florida, 6-4, 310, 5.28.  We passed on brother Pouncey last year.  The Florida connection continues. I expect Mike to improve at Center this year as the season wears on to become the versatile inside player that BB loves.  #22 is about the right spot for him. 2 (34) from CAR OLB Akeem Ayers , UCLA 6-3, 254, 4.70.  He can drop, cover, and rush.  Has good hands.  Keep your eyes on him.  Hes' not ranked this high yet, but he will be.  2 (54) RB Noel Devine , West Virginia, 5-8, 180, 4.35.  He might not last this long but if he does, he's our next Kevin Faulk.  We didn't get McCluster last draft, I'm hoping we can trade up or land Devine here. 3 (86) CB Chris Rucker , Mich State, 6-2, 4.55.  A big corner who is playing well so far.  4 (111) from DEN  OT Chris Hairston , Clemson, 6-7, 325, 5.18.  I bet he moves up considerably from here since scouts love him but for now this is where he is ranked.  Love the long arms and height to book end with Vollmer. 4 (122) FS Jermale Hines , Ohio State, 6-2, 215, 4.59. 
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    Hi Faucet,

    I like Jones but I think adding even a stud like him with the potential of getting a defensive playmaker is too much to pass up.  If there's no one worth taking with the pick I think specially with a salary wage schale (will be passed) teams will give some good compensation for a top 10 pick.

    Don't know if I'm not evaluating this draft right but looks much like value is pick 20 to 40.  Few studs but a ton of solid guys.

    Also, I would like to see one of the big free agent WRs signed if Moss is not extended. 

    I want to see how Jeremy Beal does the rest of the season, I think he will be an option with that 2nd 1st round or Car 2nd.  6-3 260 good against the run and pass rush.  I have not see any Perdue games but Ryan Kerrigan 6'4" 263 might also be available around late 1st early 2nd.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options : Another good site that doesn't have all the measureables but includes juniors is below. http://cdsdraft.com/rankings/top-100/
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the links guys (Z) I was watching the Raiders game with enthusiasm yesterday, at one point Gradkowski went out and McFadden pulled up lame with a hamstring... thoughts of 1st overall pick just kept floating around my head.
     
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    [QUOTE]Faucet, u do realize that Peterson is 6'01" and listed at 222lbs?  He is taller than Revis right?
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]

    For some reason I thought Revis was 6-2, but you're right, he's just 5-11.  He plays much taller.  I would love to get Peterson, just don't think he'd be there at 5 but it's a long season, the Raiders could tank worse or win a few more games.
     
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    I agree with a lot of the posts, But I would be kind of bummed if the Pats Pass on Ingram if he is still available with their first pick..

     
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    [QUOTE]If AJ Green is on the board you cant select Julio no way in hell. 
    Posted by Pancakespwn[/QUOTE]

    I have AJ Green coming off the board at 4, we're sitting at 5, that means we take Jones.  But, both are juniors and unless there is a new CBA, I bet most juniors stay in school.  Why declare for a draft, leave early just to be locked out and not get paid or play an abbreviated season.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options : Hi Faucet, I like Jones but I think adding even a stud like him with the potential of getting a defensive playmaker is too much to pass up.  If there's no one worth taking with the pick I think specially with a salary wage schale (will be passed) teams will give some good compensation for a top 10 pick. Don't know if I'm not evaluating this draft right but looks much like value is pick 20 to 40.  Few studs but a ton of solid guys. Also, I would like to see one of the big free agent WRs signed if Moss is not extended.  I want to see how Jeremy Beal does the rest of the season, I think he will be an option with that 2nd 1st round or Car 2nd.  6-3 260 good against the run and pass rush.  I have not see any Perdue games but Ryan Kerrigan 6'4" 263 might also be available around late 1st early 2nd.
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]
    Pats,

    I would love to take a stud DE/DT type if we're at 5 or in the top 10.  I considered Kerrigan with our pick ~22 but not sold on him as an OLB.  Keep your eyes on Akeem Ayers out of UCLA if he declares.  I think Kerrigan is a 43 DE.  I'm not sure he can drop into coverage.  Patrick Peterson is the only defender I'm sold on for sure in the top 10.  Cameron Heyward, maybe.  Most of the DL types worthy of top 10 consideration are 43 ends like Bailey, Bowers and Clayborn.  That is why I went to the offensive side of the ball.

    Again, Juniors might not come out given the labor status.  That would really hurt the draft.  We can forget about Ingram too if that happens.  I'd almost rather have DeMarco Murray if we are taking a RB that high anyway.  Murray is an every down back.  I don't think Ingram can hold up carrying the ball 20 times.  I would then go after Noel Devine a little later on as our 3rd down back.  He could be had with our CAR pick or hopefully our own 2nd.  There are a couple of OTs that will emerge that we should consider.  If we lose Light, we'd be pretty thin there.
     

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