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    what do you all know of Vinny Curry DE Marshall?  I've seen him listed at 6'4" but anywhere from 223 to 252lbs.  He's tied for 4th in the nation with 9 sacks, he's a junior so offcourse the question is will he declare but this kid could be an option as well.  Extremely fast, plays in a bad team and still manages to get his.

    Another kid I want to see if anyone has seen is Ricky Elmore DE Arizona, 6'5" 260.  He's projected as a late round guy to this point.  Had 11.5 sacks in 2009 so far in 2010 has 7.  Just another name to watch out for but if anyone sees Arizona play let me know if he looks like the real deal or not.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBM9hW7NnJA&NR=1

    If anything he can jump into a truck lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pw1uxc1Wyc&feature=related
     
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    Here are some general comments.  That Raider pick will not be top 10 anymore.  I think they turned the corner and could finish around 15 to 18.  Right now we would be picking at 12.  We can forget about an elite CB unless we made a big move up. 

    BUF doesn't need a QB.  Ryan Fitzpatrick has the 2nd highest QB rating at 102.  BUF as a new 34 team will go DL.  Fairley may be out of reach because BUF could take him.  SF and CAR will likely go QB at the top and DET will get Peterson.

    I am so tired of seeing us fail on short yardage plays.  The only time we pick them up is with a Brady QB sneak.  Light and Connolly both had poor games, Connolly was pulled for Wendell.  How sad is that?  Light got beat for 2 sacks and at least one penalty that I saw.  We've got to start spending some quality picks on the OL and I'd like to get a big bruising back.  John Clay anyone?  I know he has a great OL but the man often makes his own holes too.

    When you are bringing an undrafted rookie S off the bench in Sergio Brown, who actually did okay, you need depth in the defensive back field.  Was this another healthy scratch for Darius Butler?  Perhaps we should look for a big CB that can play safety and CB.

    If the season ended today we'd be picking at:

    12, 30, 36, 62, 73, 94, 126

    Great win for us yesterday but we took some hits in our draft order with both OAK and CAR winning. 

     
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    Faucet, Auburn has Fairley at 6'5" 298. The only place I have found him listed as 6'4" is at DraftScouts -- so I'm not sure how to read that. But the combine will make all this stuff official. I agree that you always try to get players as low as possible, but I don't think this kid makes it out of the top ten if he keeps playing this way... I think the reason he compares well to Sey, and poorly to Warren, is that he is much quicker than Warren ever was. Warren never had the elite first step that he has and that looks similar to Seymour ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYbT58VVmeI
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    If Fairley is 6'4" or 5" that's a light 298!  I watched him for the first time this weekend and he looked heavier.  Was it just me? 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : If Fairley is 6'4" or 5" that's a light 298!  I watched him for the first time this weekend and he looked heavier.  Was it just me? 
    Posted by garytx

    Yes. Rival.com is listing him as 6'5" 314, which is the playing weight they announced him as. It looks a lot closer, and perhaps a bit shy IMO.

    HE is a big dude for sure, but he has a really quick first step.

     
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    [QUOTE I am so tired of seeing us fail on short yardage plays.  The only time we pick them up is with a Brady QB sneak.  Light and Connolly both had poor games, Connolly was pulled for Wendell.  How sad is that?  Light got beat for 2 sacks and at least one penalty that I saw.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    I agree. It is hard to watch. Light used to be good, and would give up a sack to elite personnel. Now it seems he gives up a sack, and a hold to everyone that plays him, and needs help from a RB against anyone who is good or else Brady gets crushed.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Yes. Rival.com is listing him as 6'5" 314, which is the playing weight they announced him as. It looks a lot closer, and perhaps a bit shy IMO. HE is a big dude for sure, but he has a really quick first step.
    Posted by zbellino

    I agree, he actually looks much bigger on TV than what he is reported as being.  I think he could be a top 5 pick given his performance to date and measurables.  He would be out of range for us with that OAK pick.
     
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    Here are some general comments.  That Raider pick will not be top 10 anymore.  I think they turned the corner and could finish around 15 to 18.  Right now we would be picking at 12.  We can forget about an elite CB unless we made a big move up.  BUF doesn't need a QB.  Ryan Fitzpatrick has the 2nd highest QB rating at 102.  BUF as a new 34 team will go DL.  Fairley may be out of reach because BUF could take him.  SF and CAR will likely go QB at the top and DET will get Peterson. I am so tired of seeing us fail on short yardage plays.  The only time we pick them up is with a Brady QB sneak.  Light and Connolly both had poor games, Connolly was pulled for Wendell.  How sad is that?  Light got beat for 2 sacks and at least one penalty that I saw.  We've got to start spending some quality picks on the OL and I'd like to get a big bruising back.  John Clay anyone?  I know he has a great OL but the man often makes his own holes too. When you are bringing an undrafted rookie S off the bench in Sergio Brown, who actually did okay, you need depth in the defensive back field.  Was this another healthy scratch for Darius Butler?  Perhaps we should look for a big CB that can play safety and CB. If the season ended today we'd be picking at: 12, 30, 36, 62, 73, 94, 126 Great win for us yesterday but we took some hits in our draft order with both OAK and CAR winning. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    Hi Faucet,

    I think you are right on the Bills, they passed up plenty QBs last year for a RB and then D.  This draft they need D help with all other teams in the East having a ton of fire power on the O.  Doesn't look good for NE to be able to get a shut down CB as I had hopped but might not be all bad.  I agree, we need OL picked early but with lack of elite 1st round talent solid 2nd and 3rd rounders are probably a way to go here.  We've seen a number of late round guys come in and where are they now? 

    12 Nick Fairley DE/DT 6'4" 300 - Playing at a very high level against SEC tackles, he should be a nice addition to the DL although current roster is holding their own.
    30 Nate Solder OT 6'8" 300 - This line needs studs and physical players if they are moving to a power game.  Solder needs development but has all the tools to play L or R tackle.
    36 Aaron Williams CB 6'1" 192 - Good CB both in man or zone, he probably ends up in the 1st round.
    62 Orlando Franklin OG 6'6" 318 - Played LG in college above average pass blocker but better run blocking. 
    73 Bilal Powell RB 6'0" 215 - He could be a name to watch but probably will take a 2nd rounder when it's all said and done.
    94 Greg Romeus OLB 6'5" 265 - Needs work in coverage but stout against the run, setting the famous edge and above average rusher.  Not convinced an OLB will be needed, current roster of no names are developing very well but add Romeus and you have options on each side.
    126 Armon Binns WR 6'3" 210 - Big body receiver who is not afraid to go over the middle, good route runner with great hands.  Not a burner but good overall speed.
    5th Rnd Brandon Fusco OC 6'4" 300 - Slippery Rock?! lol yes a center that's catching the eye of some scouts.  Plays with an attitude, need some of that on this line.
    6th Rnd Jalil Brown CB 6'0" 203
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : [QUOTE I am so tired of seeing us fail on short yardage plays.  The only time we pick them up is with a Brady QB sneak.  Light and Connolly both had poor games, Connolly was pulled for Wendell.  How sad is that?  Light got beat for 2 sacks and at least one penalty that I saw. Posted by Faucetman
    I agree. It is hard to watch. Light used to be good, and would give up a sack to elite personnel. Now it seems he gives up a sack, and a hold to everyone that plays him, and needs help from a RB against anyone who is good or else Brady gets crushed.
    Posted by zbellino

    Our OL is getting old.  That's a fact.  They aren't opening many holes in the running game and Light is often beat in the passing game.  The youth movement we've seen on defense needs to carried over to the offense especially with the OL and RBs.  The reason BB hasn't drafted much OL lately is because he had a decent young line that was locked up for years.  Starting after this season contracts start to expire and most of these guys probably won't be worth the money they want given their ages.  Below is the contract status and ages heading into 2011 season of our older key OL.

    2010 Light (33) and Mankins (29)
    2011 Koppen (32), Neal (35), and Connolly (29)
    2012 Kaczur (32)

    Everyone knows Mankins will come back Week 10 and finish the year then be gone for good.  Given Light's cap number and his performance, I think he's allowed to walk.  We'll get a decent comp pick in 2012 for him, perhaps a 4th or 5th rounder.  Neal is on borrowed time, we know this.  Kaczur is signed for the longest and would be roughly a $2MM cap hit if cut before 2012 so it might be that he's in our future plans at RT with Vollmer moving to LT.  Koppen earns just under $3MM a year.  He's got a year or two left.  Personally I'd like to see him upgraded but it could be he's given a 1-2 year extension after 2011.

    In short, even if we plan on Vollmer at LT and Kaczur at RT with LeVoir backing up, we need to draft at least 2 interior linesmen.  BB won't want to turn over too much of the line at once.  It would be nice to draft a OG and a C and give them a year to learn the system before Koppen and Neal head out.
 
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : I agree. It is hard to watch. Light used to be good, and would give up a sack to elite personnel. Now it seems he gives up a sack, and a hold to everyone that plays him, and needs help from a RB against anyone who is good or else Brady gets crushed. Posted by zbellino
    Our OL is getting old.  That's a fact.  They aren't opening many holes in the running game and Light is often beat in the passing game.  The youth movement we've seen on defense needs to carried over to the offense especially with the OL and RBs.  The reason BB hasn't drafted much OL lately is because he had a decent young line that was locked up for years.  Starting after this season contracts start to expire and most of these guys probably won't be worth the money they want given their ages.  Below is the contract status and ages heading into 2011 season of our older key OL. 2010 Light (33) and Mankins (29) 2011 Koppen (32), Neal (35), and Connolly (29) 2012 Kaczur (32) Everyone knows Mankins will come back Week 10 and finish the year then be gone for good.  Given Light's cap number and his performance, I think he's allowed to walk.  We'll get a decent comp pick in 2012 for him, perhaps a 4th or 5th rounder.  Neal is on borrowed time, we know this.  Kaczur is signed for the longest and would be roughly a $2MM cap hit if cut before 2012 so it might be that he's in our future plans at RT with Vollmer moving to LT.  Koppen earns just under $3MM a year.  He's got a year or two left.  Personally I'd like to see him upgraded but it could be he's given a 1-2 year extension after 2011. In short, even if we plan on Vollmer at LT and Kaczur at RT with LeVoir backing up, we need to draft at least 2 interior linesmen.  BB won't want to turn over too much of the line at once.  It would be nice to draft a OG and a C and give them a year to learn the system before Koppen and Neal head out.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I agree, I don't know if I'll be able to change much from my mock other than names based on ranking but I do believe you see three OL in the first 4 rounds.  I mocked an OT, OG (LG) and Center.  now the center class is not that good IMO.  Found a possible gem in the late rounds, kind of a voll inside but we'll see.  Brandon Fusco, Slippery Rock State

    What ever happens, if the play calling doesn't improve to help the OL this could turn south quickly.
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Hi Faucet, I think you are right on the Bills, they passed up plenty QBs last year for a RB and then D.  This draft they need D help with all other teams in the East having a ton of fire power on the O.  Doesn't look good for NE to be able to get a shut down CB as I had hopped but might not be all bad.  I agree, we need OL picked early but with lack of elite 1st round talent solid 2nd and 3rd rounders are probably a way to go here.  We've seen a number of late round guys come in and where are they now?  12 Nick Fairley DE/DT 6'4" 300 - Playing at a very high level against SEC tackles, he should be a nice addition to the DL although current roster is holding their own. 30 Nate Solder OT 6'8" 300 - This line needs studs and physical players if they are moving to a power game.  Solder needs development but has all the tools to play L or R tackle. 36 Aaron Williams CB 6'1" 192 - Good CB both in man or zone, he probably ends up in the 1st round. 62 Orlando Franklin OG 6'6" 318 - Played LG in college above average pass blocker but better run blocking.  73 Bilal Powell RB 6'0" 215 - He could be a name to watch but probably will take a 2nd rounder when it's all said and done. 94 Greg Romeus OLB 6'5" 265 - Needs work in coverage but stout against the run, setting the famous edge and above average rusher.  Not convinced an OLB will be needed, current roster of no names are developing very well but add Romeus and you have options on each side. 126 Armon Binns WR 6'3" 210 - Big body receiver who is not afraid to go over the middle, good route runner with great hands.  Not a burner but good overall speed. 5th Rnd Brandon Fusco OC 6'4" 300 - Slippery Rock?! lol yes a center that's catching the eye of some scouts.  Plays with an attitude, need some of that on this line. 6th Rnd Jalil Brown CB 6'0" 203
    Posted by Pats7393


    Hey Pats.  I'm starting to worry that Fairley could be a top 5 pick now.  Anyway, Cunningham was impressive yesterday.  I think he is improving each week.  Ninkovich is also making the most of his opportunities.  It seems TBC is back to being a situational pass rusher. 

    If we can land Fairley at 12, I would be delighted.  I then think we should focus on the OL which you've done.  BB doesn't like to draft RBs because he knows most are out of the league within 5 years.  Where are you getting the 5th round pick from?  We traded ours to KC for Jarrad Page.  The 6th rounder I assume you are considering as a comp pick for Watson?
     
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    I agree it certainly isn't set in stone, but I am pretty sure Oakland will be above 15. And even between 8-10 getting Fairley won't be a safe bet, IMO. Although there is always the chance that other teams evaluate him beneath where I have him, in which case NE could take him whenever they get the most value. 

    I agree BUF won't be dead set on a QB. They could still take one. But I think they are top three, and if they don't take one, Patrick Peterson seems logical, followed by an end pass rusher. Buffaloe's CBs are terrible though, so Peterson seems like a smart move.  

    Here is a hazy board I am putting together ... still gathering info on some other players, so it could change a lot. I think there is still the chance that TB races toward the bottom too which could bounce it back one, but either way, I think OAK will be between 8-10. That is a good spot for selecting DTs in this draft IMO. The elite CBs will be gone, the elite OLBs and DEs will be gone, and the elite QBs will be gone, and A.J. Green will be gone. But Darreus and Fairley will be hanging around.

    1. Patrick Peterson CB LSU
    2. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
    3. Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
    4. Jake Locker QB Washington  
    5. A.J. Green WR Georgia
    6. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
    7. Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
    8. Nick Fairley DT Auburn
    9. Marcell Dareus DT Alabama
    10. Stephen Paea DE/T Oregon State
    11 Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
    12. Janoris Jenkins CB Florida
    13. Allen Bailey DE/T Miami
    14. Adrian Clayborne DE/T Iowa
    15. Mark Ingram RB Alabama 

    If the season ended today this would be the order....

    1.   Bills Peterson, Patrick
    2.   49ers Luck, Andrew
    3.   Lions Da'Quan Bowers
    4.   Panthers Jake Locker
    5.   Cowboys Robert Quinn
    6.   Broncos Prince Akamura
    7.   Chargers - OUT - easy stretch leads to a 7-9 or 8-8 record
    8.   Browns A.J. Green
    9.   Bengals Maybe Fairley? They have a tough schedule this season. 
    10. Vikings - OUT - if they are here I think they take Mallett
    11. NE via OAK -up-
    12. Jaguars -up-
    13. Rams -up-
    14. Dolphins
    15. Cardinals

    Honestly think the Vikes and Bolts will finish ahead of the Raiders. SO here is a potential revised order...

    1.   Bills Peterson, Patrick
    2.   49ers Luck, Andrew
    3.   Lions Da'Quan Bowers
    4.   Panthers Jake Locker
    5.   Cowboys Robert Quinn
    6.   Broncos Prince Akamura
    7.   Browns A.J. Green?
    8.   Bengals
    9.   NE vis OAK (This leaves Darreus OR Fairley on the board)
    10. Jaguars

     
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    As a backup option, what do you folks think of Anthony Castonzo? He has the smarts/length BB looks for? I also wouldn't rule out just snagging Mark Ingram if NE is forced into the 12-15 range and needs to make a choice. I would rather have the best RB than try and shoehorn an awkward player into the 34. 

    Janoris Jenkins could be hanging around too.  

    I just don't see Clayborne, Paea, or Bailey as fits for what NE does here. They would be like elaborate 3rd down specialists.

    Darreus or Bailey fit well enough though, although I think Bailey is a much better prospect.

    I am going to try and catch a Colorado game to take a look at Nate Solder. Has anyone watched him play yet? 


     
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    As a backup option, what do you folks think of Anthony Castonzo? He has the smarts/length BB looks for? I also wouldn't rule out just snagging Mark Ingram if NE is forced into the 12-15 range and needs to make a choice. I would rather have the best RB than try and shoehorn an awkward player into the 34.  Janoris Jenkins could be hanging around too.   I just don't see Clayborne, Paea, or Bailey as fits for what NE does here. They would be like elaborate 3rd down specialists. Darreus or Bailey fit well enough though, although I think Bailey is a much better prospect. I am going to try and catch a Colorado game to take a look at Nate Solder. Has anyone watched him play yet? 
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    ZB,
    I love Jenkins as an option, competitive, great speed and quicks, good instincts, ball skills, awareness, is physical but secure as a tackler and has been a starter since he walked on campus.  He does have character questions stemming from a bar fight in which he was picked up for "resisting arrest without violence" which will have to be checked out, but I think he's the #3 CB in this class, assuming he delcares.  Bringing in a another player with a championship level mentality/pedigree is also a plus.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : ZB, I love Jenkins as an option, competitive, great speed and quicks, good instincts, ball skills, awareness, is physical but secure as a tackler and has been a starter since he walked on campus.  He does have character questions stemming from a bar fight in which he was picked up for "resisting arrest without violence" which will have to be checked out, but I think he's the #3 CB in this class, assuming he delcares.  Bringing in a another player with a championship level mentality/pedigree is also a plus.
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    I'm looking at Aaron Williams as a possible pick, 6'1" 200lb CB.  Great speed and cover skills, tackles well but I'm not sure what to make from what I've seen.  That Texas team is just not playing well.
     
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    Assuming they pick between 10 and 15, I could see something like this:

    Rd 1 (Raiders)- Nick Fairley/Janoris Jenkins- Whichever is available.

    Rd 1 (Assigned)- Gabe Carimi/Nate Solder- Whichever is available.

    Rd 2 (Panthers)- Mark Herzlich OLB BC

    Rd 2 (Assigned)- Christian Ballard/Brandon Boykin CB Georgia- Boykin if they go Fairley in Rd 1.

    Rd 3 (Vikings)- Ricky Henry OG Nebraska

    Rd 3 (Assigned)- Robert Sands S WVU

    Rd 4 (Denver)- ***TRADED FOR BRANCH***

    Rd 4 (Assigned)- Bilal Powell RB Louisville

     
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    Herzlich should be more of an ILB in the NFL wouldn't you say? Great charcter guy tho. This Mock seems to think we could get Ingram AND Quinn... wouldn't that be something.. http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock-Drafts/2011-nfl-mock-draft.html I'd actually prefer Thomas if he's there in the mid 20's and a FA signing of either Jamaal Charles or DeAngelo Williams... What do you think of Leonard Hankerson @ 6'3"/205 with the 3rd rd pick we got for Moss? I'd think Welker-Branch-Tate-Hankerson-Price-Edelman for the next 4-5 years as our 6 WR's is a pretty solid unit.
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    rameakap,
    IMO, Herzlich has the versatility to probably play inside or out and be successful and I don't see anything that would prevent him from playing on the outside in a 3-4.  Real tough, hard working kid, a leader with size/length that BB likes (6-4 250 +-), good speed and quickness, excellent instincts and has excelled at creating turnovers (8 INT's, 6 forced fumbles and 4 fumble recoveries).  He just seems to possess everything they value in a player.  The big question would be his long term health, specifically his bout with cancer (he is currently cancer free).

    As for Hankerson, from everything I've read on him, he doesn't appear to possess the quickness/suddenness that they value in their receivers.
     
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    I think a lot of us are counting chickens with some of these juniors.  We don't know who will declare.  Guys like Fairley, Quinn, Bowers, Dareus, Crick, Peterson, etc might not come out especially if the labor situation isn't clear by the time juniors need to declare on Jan 15.  Until they declare I have to assume these juniors aren't available. 

    Deaderick seems to be emerging and with Warren coming back I'm not so sure we go DL at the top of our draft.  I'm thinking if a stud LT is available with the Raider pick, we could go there since Light is nearly certain to be leaving.  I like Castonzo, Sherrod or Solder perhaps in the 10-15 range.  If they are all gone we could go after Love, Pinkston or Carimi with our late first round pick or perhaps one will be there with CAR pick. 

    In the 2-3 round I would try to get one of these OGs; Schilling, Boling, Moffit, or Henry.  We have to start turning over the OL and keep Brady upright especially as he gets older.

    RB and WR we are famous for getting in Free Agency.  There isn't a single SENIOR WR or RB I'd spend a first round pick on.
     
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    Herzlich should be more of an ILB in the NFL wouldn't you say? Great charcter guy tho. This Mock seems to think we could get Ingram AND Quinn... wouldn't that be something.. http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock-Drafts/2011-nfl-mock-draft.html I'd actually prefer Thomas if he's there in the mid 20's and a FA signing of either Jamaal Charles or DeAngelo Williams... What do you think of Leonard Hankerson @ 6'3"/205 with the 3rd rd pick we got for Moss? I'd think Welker-Branch-Tate-Hankerson-Price-Edelman for the next 4-5 years as our 6 WR's is a pretty solid unit.
    Posted by rameakap

    Not sure he's the same player.  He hasn't been producing at the level he did in 2008.  Has anyone seen if his intensity has lessened?  This sounds pretty pedestrian, except for the picks, against poor competition.

    2010 Season
    Had three tackles, broke up one pass and made one interception return for five yards at N.C. State ... made two tackles against Notre Dame ... returned an interception for 12 yards, defended one pass and wrapped up seven Hokies, including one tackle for loss ... racked up four solo tackles, including one for a loss of three yards versus Kent State ... led the team onto the field, prior to racking up five tackles against Weber State.


     
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    I think a lot of us are counting chickens with some of these juniors.  We don't know who will declare.  Guys like Fairley, Quinn, Bowers, Dareus, Crick, Peterson, etc might not come out especially if the labor situation isn't clear by the time juniors need to declare on Jan 15.  Until they declare I have to assume these juniors aren't available.  Deaderick seems to be emerging and with Warren coming back I'm not so sure we go DL at the top of our draft.  I'm thinking if a stud LT is available with the Raider pick, we could go there since Light is nearly certain to be leaving.  I like Castonzo, Sherrod or Solder perhaps in the 10-15 range.  If they are all gone we could go after Love, Pinkston or Carimi with our late first round pick or perhaps one will be there with CAR pick.  In the 2-3 round I would try to get one of these OGs; Schilling, Boling, Moffit, or Henry.  We have to start turning over the OL and keep Brady upright especially as he gets older. RB and WR we are famous for getting in Free Agency.  There isn't a single SENIOR WR or RB I'd spend a first round pick on.
    Posted by Faucetman

    No way Quinn stays in school. He would be an absolute fool if he did not declare.

    I would love if the Pats picked up Steve Schilling. He is a powerful guard but has the mobility to pull since he is in Rich Rod's scheme. It seems as though he has been at Michigan forever, it is as though I have watched him every Saturday for 10 years now.

    Another Wolverine who could be drafted is junior NT Mike Martin. The kid is extremely strong, and is a former state champion wrestler. Explodes off the ball, and is really agile and quick for a man his size. He can get to the QB, and it seems he blows up at least 5 plays a game.  

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : He's overall ok, maybe with one of the two 3rd rd picks, I'd see him battling w/ Guyton, Nink, Fletcher for a roster spot. As for Hankerson, I am just looking for 6'2"+ WR's who would be 6th on our depth chart next yera considering we have multiple 5'9" and smaller guys in Welker, Woodhead, Edelman and Branch got any tall wideouts you like with one of our 3rd's or our 4th?
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    Tough question with the taller receivers and is has to due with what they look for.  BB has historically taken WR's with good speed an quickness.  Guys who can get in and out of their breaks quickly and run good routes to create seperation, this skill set generally translates to shorter WR's.

    There aren't any taller mid-round wide outs that have caught my eye this year (similar to Riley Cooper last year), but I'll continue to monitor.
     
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    quinn has to enter the draft. the ncaa isn't going to reinstate him
     
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    Assuming they pick between 10 and 15, I could see something like this: Rd 1 (Raiders)- Nick Fairley/Janoris Jenkins - Whichever is available.
    If the Pats go after a DT the Oakland pick is where they would do it.  Otherwise I wouldn't bother.  With Oakland doing better I suspect Mark Ingram would be the pick here.  I wouldn't be heartboken mind you but if the Pats decided to go DT but what if BB thought it wasn't a need?  Where would they go?
    Rd 1 (Assigned)- Gabe Carimi/Nate Solder - Whichever is available.
    I believe Solder to be the one left on the table.  Carimi is gone by this time.  I agree with this pick.
    Rd 2 (Panthers)- Mark Herzlich OLB BC Rd 2
    Herzlich would be a reach at this point I would think.  He has been falling out of the early rounds.  The thing is how much of the drop is over reaction.  Hernandez is a great example of what I'm talking about.  I think he could be a steal in a later round but certainly not this high.  I wonder if we should look at Kerrigan or Romeus for another OLB conversion.
    (Assigned)- Christian Ballard/Brandon Boykin CB Georgia - Boykin if they go Fairley in Rd 1.
    While Boykin is on the radar Ballard is no where to be seen.  The only reason I would question even going after a CB here is the history hasn't been to good.  There is no doubt the Pats need one but if we can't get one in the 1st round I say pass.  I am looking at a center or maybe a safety here but don't see much.  It may be a tad much but I'm liking John Clay to bring in a mix at RB.
    Rd 3 (Vikings)- Ricky Henry OG Nebraska Rd 3 (Assigned)- Robert Sands S WVU
    No arguement here.
    Rd 4 (Denver)- ***TRADED FOR BRANCH*** Rd 4 (Assigned)- Bilal Powell RB Louisville
    Well, I went over the hill for two RBs.  I'm wondering about Herzlich here because he has taken a tremendous hit on his value.  He's all but disappeared.
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    quinn has to enter the draft. the ncaa isn't going to reinstate him
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    Okay so Quinn will enter.  I think Peterson will enter too because he can't improve his draft status by staying in.  I'm just saying we shouldn't count on every good junior to come out especially given the labor situation.


    But, if we are going to talk about draft eligible players, nobody is talking about Donta Hightower the LB from Alabama.  He's a RS Sophomore so he's eligible.  He's 6-3-1/2, 255, 4.65 and could be a first round candidate. 

     
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    gary,

    You make some excellent points.  If we are going for a DE/DT type it needs to be with that Raider pick otherwise, why bother?  We passed on Odrick last year at #27 who many of us thought would have been a perfect fit.  Instead we drafted Deaderick in the 7th round and he's now a starter. 

    It would not hurt my feelings at all to take a stud OT with the Raider's pick, Carimi, Solder, Castonzo or Sherrod.  Good LTs tend to come off the board quickly.  I'd hate it if we missed out on one of these guys waiting for the bottom of the round.  With Light's future very much in doubt and Kaczur spending the year on the IR, a young stud LT is needed.  I'd like to keep Vollmer on the right side if possible.

    I don't think we'd make a play for Ingram.  He's been a bit beat up too much and the shelf life on RBs is too short.  I think BB learned his lesson with Maroney.  But, I'm with you on John Clay with that CAR pick.  I'm thinking BB is sick of going for it on 4th and short and not picking up a half yard.  Even taking a RB this high would be out of character.  He had multiple chances to take a RB in the 2nd round last year and kept passing them up but a year later our RBs are that much older and I think none of the 33+ guys will be back.  Ingram could be our featured back I'm with you on that, but I'd rather get Clay and pound the rock with a revamped OL. 

    I also agree with you on Herzlich.  He isn't the same player from what I'm hearing and will likely drop into the 3rd round or beyond.  I'm also with you on CB.  Unless it is a first round pick, either pick, the player isn't likely going to be any surer of a bet than Butler or Wheatley, both whom I'm almost ready to call 2nd round busts.
     
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    I might be inclined to roll the dice that one of the elite LTs will be there towards the end of the round and do something like this.

    1-12   OLB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma, 6-3, 260, 2.74
    1-30   LT Cabe Carimi, Wisconsin, 6-7, 322, 5.12
    2-36   RB John Clay, Wisconsin, 6-1, 248, 4.60
    2-62   C Kristofer O'Dowd, USC, 6-4, 300, 5.16
    3-74   OG Ricky Henry, Nebraska, 6-3, 305, 5.28
    3-94   RB Anthony Allen, Georgia Tech, 6-0, 230, 4.58
    4-126 WR Ryan Whalen, Stanford, 6-1, 207, 4.56


    Something like this would work.

     
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