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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : I'm not a big Murray guy (relative to his assumed draft position) and not sure he projects as a lead back in the NFL, he could be a dangerous change of pace type though.  He's probably a 2nd round prospect at this point, but I'd rather take a back capable of consistently carrying the rock 20 or so times between the tackles if I'm taking one that high. Young's a potential big play type WR (18.3 YPC and 9 TD's on 61 catches this year) with good speed and quickness, however he does have some character issues that need to be looked into (multiple supsenstions while at BSU).  He's also not much of a blocker based on the reports I've read.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    I agree with you Mb.  Murray is a 3rd down back.  He excels coming out of the backfield.  He is a really good pass catcher capable of putting up big YAC.  He just doesn't impressing me running between the tackles.  We have Danny Woodhead now signed through 2012 so our need for a 3rd down back would seemed to be filled.  Murray's stock should be dropping.  If Murray and Powell are on the board when we get ready to take a RB, I'd take Powell all day long ahead of Murray.

    I wasn't aware of the off-the-field issues with Titus, that being the case, might have to pass on him. 
     
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    FA RB/FB Possibility Brian Leonard of Bungles?

    Remember this ex-Rutgers star?  He will be available after this season and is still young, won't cost much, and could provide depth ar RB position and be useful in short yeardage and blocking situations.

    I can't say much about why he has not been notable as a pro, but a lot of people tend to disappear on the Bungles and he could be a good Pats addition to backfield.

    What say y'all?
     
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    I apologize in advance for the multiple long posts on the topic of OLBs.  Pretty much everyone here thinks a top need is OLB and that need should be addressed with one of our two first round picks.  I like some of these guys we've been discussing too like Kerrigan.  However, lately I've been trying to stay away from DE converson types and I now prefer KJ Wright of Miss State in the 3rd.  Here's why.  It usually takes a few years for players to develop as they learn new systems, especially coming from a 43 DE to a BB 34 OLB.  I'm a stats guy, that's no secret.  So, I decided to see how Cunningham stacks up against the DE/OLB types that were drafted ahead of him.  All of these guys were players we talked about a lot last year.  Some remained 43 DEs and some became 34 OLB.  Some remained 43 OLBs.  In any event, I think you'll find the results shocking or at least very interesting. 

    B. Graham (1-13)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Eagles1312320
    on paceEagles1716430

    Pierre-Paul (1-15)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Giants119220
    on paceGiants1613330

    D. Morgan (1-16)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Titans00000
    Placed on IR, missed the whole season

    Weatherspoon (1-19)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Falcons3227100
    on paceFalcons5950200

    J. Hughes (1-31)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Colts33000
    on paceColts55000
    Missed 3 games due to injury

    K. Misi (2-40)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Dolphins2416400
    on paceDolphins3523500

    S. Kindle (2-43)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Ravens00000
    on paceRavens00000
    Placed on IR, fractured skull in training camp from falling down 2 flights of stairs.  Also drove his car into a dorm while in college.  Perhaps this guy has some "issues" and it's good we don't typically draft players when we see red flags.

    Washington (2-57)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Cardinals4940100
    on paceCardinals7158100

    J. Worlids (2-52)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Steelers22200
    on paceSteelers33300

    Cunningham (2-53)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Patriots2721120
    on pacePatriots3932130

    Other than Weatherspoon and Washington I would say Cunningham has statisically outperformed the players taken ahead of him in the 2010 draft.  The Falcons play the 43 so you would expect Weatherspoon as a 43 OLB to have a lot of opportunities to make tackles.  The Cardinals have Washington playing ILB in their 34 alignment.  ILB should always make more tackles than OLBs. 

    Pierre-Paul and Graham are strickly DEs.  Both were drafted primarily to rush the passer.  Graham has 3 sacks, Pierre-Paul has 2 sacks.  2 of the 9 players missed the whole season due to injury.  Jerry Hughes was many people's pick here as a DE/OLB type.  He's done nothing for the Colts yet although he's missed 3 games.

    There are 2 DE/OLB conversion types playing 34 OLB, Misi and Worlids.  Both have more sacks than Cunningham but neither has forced a fumble.  FFs to me are a more important stat because they lead to turnovers.  Cunningham has more tackles than either player.  Worilds to his credit doesn't see the field much since he plays behind Harrison and Woodley.
     
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    Now let's look at some of the best OLBs in the NFL and how they started their careers.  I will include Vrabel because he played for us.  Vrabel was a 3rd round pick of the Steelers as we all know.

    Vrabel (3-91)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    1997Steelers1714220
    1998Steelers96300
    1999Steelers54210
    2000Steelers53100
    2001Patriots6037302
    2002Patriots7551501
    2003Patriots52381042
    2004Patriots6752600
    2005Patriots10469512
    2006Patriots8954533
    2007Patriots77561350
    2008Patriots6240411
    2009Chiefs5243220
    2010Chiefs3621010

    J. Harrison (UDFA)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2002Steelers00000
    2004Steelers2220100
    2005Steelers3125301
    2006Steelers85000
    2007Steelers8666961
    2008Steelers92591671
    2009Steelers79601050
    2010Steelers75561062

    Dumervil (4-126)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2006Broncos14118.510
    2007Broncos39341341
    2008Broncos2417510
    2009Broncos49421740

    Ware (1-11)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2005Cowboys5847830
    2006Cowboys73591251
    2007Cowboys84601440
    2008Cowboys84692060
    2009Cowboys57451150
    2010Cowboys44401010

    Here are the stats for Cunningham and Ninkovich.

    Cunningham (2-53)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Patriots2721120
    on pacePatriots3932130
           
           
    NinkovichTeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2006Saints22000
    2007Dolphins00000
    2008Dolphins00000
    2009Patriots114100
    2010Patriots3824102
    on pacePatriots5535103

    It took Vrabel and Harrison 4 years before they really started to make their mark in the 5th year.  Obviously a lot of that has to do with not starting or being given an opportunity to play.  Ninkovich is just now getting his chance.  Ninkovich is pretty much were Vrabel was his first year with us. 

    Harrison and Dumervil show you don't have to be a high draft pick to be a top sack performer while DeMarcus Ware shows you can be as he is the bench mark all OLBs should be measured against.

    My point is we don't know what we have yet.  Cunningham could develop into the OLB we are looking for.  Dane Fletcher hasn't been given much of a chance yet but he was a rush DE in college.  These things sometimes take time.
     
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    Let's recap.  Fletcher didn't dress for the first 3 games.  We clearly don't have  a pass rusher.  Banta-Cain had a career year last year.  Okay, I talked myself into us needing a pass rusher.  Where we take on is still the question IMO.  There are just as many later round gems as first round busts.


    Flecter (UDFA)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
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    on pacePatriots107020
           
    Banta-Cain (7-239)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2003Patriots21101
    2004Patriots106200
    2005Patriots52000
    2006Patriots3424610
    200749ers4130400
    200849ers52100
    2009Patriots55351000
    2010Patriots3225300
    on pacePatriots4736400
           
    Cunningham (2-53)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2010Patriots2721120
    on pacePatriots3932130
           
    Ninkovich (5-135)TeamTCKLSoloSckFFINT
    2006Saints22000
    2007Dolphins00000
    2008Dolphins00000
    2009Patriots114100
    2010Patriots3824102
    on pacePatriots5535103
     
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    Thanks, Faucet, for the great posts!  What this makes me think is we better hope BB keeps all his picks this year, instead of giving them away for futures.  If it takes some years for these guys to produce well, the Brady years are shortening, we better load up right now with the 2011 draft!
     
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    Thanks Faucet. Keep it coming!
     
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    it looks like the lockout rhetoric from both sides is steadily increasing. it worries me that few underclassmen come out if clarity on this issue is not reached before the draft. that could mean a thin draft when bb is holding  a lot of early picks.
     
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    Hey guys.  New to site, great draft info. here!  Just wanted to chip in on Titus Young.  I live in the NW, and see quite a few BSU games.  This kid is worth taking a shot on, preferably 3rd round or later.  Top end speed, seems to run soild routes, and has shown great hands.  Plays bigger than his small frame.
     
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    boy that nick fairley is a dirty playing mofo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xljcMJxJZg
     
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    Thanks Faucet for all of your info!

     
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    Thanks guys.  I appreciate all the kind words.  A few observations...

    I've watched a ton of Auburn football this year as I'm sure most draftnicks have.  It is hard not to be blown away by Cam Newton.  Pay for play aside, why wouldn't he be considered the #1 pick?  I hope he goes to CAR number 1 because I don't want to face him twice a year.  BUF could take him, they signed TO afterall.  Newton is instant offense and just scary good.

    Lee Ziemba is a better LT than people give him credit.  Maybe he'd be a nice option in the 3rd, move him to RT and Vollmer to LT. 

    I have only seen part of one Baylor game.  Anyone have an opinion if LT Danny Watkins, 6-4, 310, 5.17 would be a nice candidate for LG, assuming Mankins leaves?  BB loves versatile linesmen.  Watkins has the perfect size for a BB guard and he is fast!!  I'm still high on Moffitt and Schilling for LG, just looking for other options.  Watkins might be around in the 3-4 round.
     
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    Hey guys.  New to site, great draft info. here!  Just wanted to chip in on Titus Young.  I live in the NW, and see quite a few BSU games.  This kid is worth taking a shot on, preferably 3rd round or later.  Top end speed, seems to run soild routes, and has shown great hands.  Plays bigger than his small frame.
    Posted by Wazzu-wheatfarmer

    Titus Young has been getting a lot of play here.  He is a talent, but Mb pointed out he has some off-the-field issues, unsure how serious they are.  Seems to me this draft could be loaded with WR talent.  If Broyles comes out as rumored he would have to be considered a first round talent.  If Blackmon, Green, Jones, Floyd and Baldwin all declare this would be a sick draft for WRs.
     
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    Hey guys.  New to site, great draft info. here!  Just wanted to chip in on Titus Young.  I live in the NW, and see quite a few BSU games.  This kid is worth taking a shot on, preferably 3rd round or later.  Top end speed, seems to run soild routes, and has shown great hands.  Plays bigger than his small frame.
    Posted by Wazzu-wheatfarmer


    Welcome to the thread.
     
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    Faucet .. your info continues to amaze me....thanks   Mex you are absolutely right about Fairly as dirty as they come... a ton of late hits too. Newton is a beast. The good news to me is that he has to have moved up in the draft and pushed Watt down one place maybe we have a shot at him , it is goin to be close. How did Watt play Sat?
     
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    I am really hoping every good QB comes out that can this year.  There are a ton of QB needy teams, as usual, and that can push several great players in our direction. 

    The more I see of Kerrigan OLB, the more and more I like him.  The more I also think we will need to use the Oak pick on him. Obviously it depends on how they finish out the season, but I dont think our pick will land him anymore. 
     
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    Agree with Faucet on assessment of Newton with one caveat you can't run draws and option plays all day against a good NFL defense. Also agree with the potential for this to be a good year for WRs if some players declare. I could see the Pats take Floyd with the high 2nd. We had plenty of love for Golden Tate last year, Why no love for Floyd this year ? (pro-style offense etc......)

    Appreciate all Faucet and MB and others have done. Still hoping for an SD blowout versus Raiders and subsequent collapse (6-10, 7-9). Really like the 2nd round Panther pick (OT or OG or WR).
     
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    Agree with Faucet on assessment of Newton with one caveat you can't run draws and option plays all day against a good NFL defense. Also agree with the potential for this to be a good year for WRs if some players declare. I could see the Pats take Floyd with the high 2nd. We had plenty of love for Golden Tate last year, Why no love for Floyd this year ? (pro-style offense etc......) Appreciate all Faucet and MB and others have done. Still hoping for an SD blowout versus Raiders and subsequent collapse (6-10, 7-9). Really like the 2nd round Panther pick (OT or OG or WR).
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz


    JHr,
    I, for one, like Floyd a lot as a player, he's big, good hands, has some decent quicks (though BB generally prefers elite speed, quickness and agility in his WR's) and speed, will go over the middle, good ball skills and will provide a red zone presence, has some big play ability, will get dirty as a blocker and will take a team on his shoulders.  I think he's an option for them in Rds 2 or 3 assuming he declares.  He's at the very least a good possession guy at the NFL level, IMO.

    I just think there's more love for Julio at this point, for good reason.
     
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    Agree with Faucet on assessment of Newton with one caveat you can't run draws and option plays all day against a good NFL defense. Also agree with the potential for this to be a good year for WRs if some players declare. I could see the Pats take Floyd with the high 2nd. We had plenty of love for Golden Tate last year, Why no love for Floyd this year ? (pro-style offense etc......) Appreciate all Faucet and MB and others have done. Still hoping for an SD blowout versus Raiders and subsequent collapse (6-10, 7-9). Really like the 2nd round Panther pick (OT or OG or WR).
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz

    Hog,

    I think Newton in Buffalo with CJ Spiller could be scary.  I agree he won't be running as many draws or options in the NFL but when you're the 25th ranked offense a 6-5, 250 lb QB that can throw and run the way Newton does can make an immediate impact.  Newton is pretty much the whole Auburn offense.

    Buffalo is also last in stopping the run which would make a case for Fairley.  Fairley is a dirty player, no doubt about it, but I don't think it affects his draft status.  Rodney Harrison was considered a dirty player too but we still love him. 
    Talking about WR, I was a bit surprised Julio Jones wasn't a finalist for the Belinikoff Award.  The three finalists are:  Ryan Broyles - Oklahoma,  Alshon Jeffery - South Carolina, and Justin Blackmon - Oklahoma State.  I can understand Green not being a finalist since he missed 4 games. 
     
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    Faucet .. your info continues to amaze me....thanks   Mex you are absolutely right about Fairly as dirty as they come... a ton of late hits too. Newton is a beast. The good news to me is that he has to have moved up in the draft and pushed Watt down one place maybe we have a shot at him , it is goin to be close. How did Watt play Sat?
    Posted by max5344

    Thanks Max.  Wisconsin didn't play, they don't have a title game.  They won their conference based on their BCS standing winning the three-way tie with Ohio State and Michigan State.  They are off until the Rose Bowl where they will face TCU.

    I watched the Nebraska/Oklahoma game yesterday and here are my observations.

    OKLAHOMA
    Jeremey Beal - I didn't see much of anything out of him.  He was often doubled when lined up as DE.  I wasn't keying on him, just didn't hear his name called or see him in on many plays.

    Ryan Broyles- 3 catches for 61 yards including a nice crossing route that he nearly took to the house getting past Hagg.  He was quiet in the punt return game due in large part to Henery's booming punts.

    DeMarco Murray- 17/68 a 4.0 average with a long of 12.  Murray was best when running the ball to the outside.  It seemed like every time he tried to take it inside he was immediately stuffed.  As a receiver he was 5/60 with a long of 19.  Again, I think Murray translates as a 3rd down back in the NFL.  He isn't going to give you much pounding the rock.  He is dangerous out of the backfield and can be successful on sweeps and draws as a runner.  To me, this makes him a 2nd round pick, at best.

    NEBRASKA
    Roy Helu, Jr.- He started strong with a 66 yard TD scamper in the first.  After that he was 10/25 and was a non factor.

    Ricky Henry- He missed several blocks today, either missing his man completely or getting to the block late in the run game.  In the pass game, Martinez was under duress the whole second half and Henry was often pushed back into the QB.  I was not impressed with him or the Nebraska OL today.  In fairness though, Martinez held the ball too long, too often as he really struggled finding people open.  He cleared missed Niles Paul.

    Jared Crick- He had a really nice game.  He got a sack and several hurries that I saw.  He was often doubled and when he wasn't he usually beat the LG and came through and was disruptive. There was a stretch late in the game when Nebraska was trying to get the ball back down 3 where Crick on three straight plays came up big forcing a punt.

    Prince Amukamara- I was a bit disappointed with his play today.  Nebraska had Oklahoma with a 3rd and 24 and Amukamara gave up a 23 yard reception to Cameron Kenney - who doesn't have a future in the NFL.  This enabled OKLA to go for it on 4th down and Kenney again caught a pass against Amukamara.  I think Kenney caught three balls in a row against Prince.  Prince did have a couple of nice hits.  Prince is a solid tackler and is 5th on his team but he doesn't have an interception this year so I'm not so sure why all the hype for this kid.  Yes he is tall, and tough but not particularly fast from what I saw and his coverage skills were lacking in this game.

    Alex Henery- I know we don't need a kicker, assuming Gostkowski fully recovers from his injury but this kid is impressive.  Virtually every kick off was a touch back.  He was 2/2 on FG with a long of 53.  His long of the season is 57 and he is 18/19 which is among the best percentages in college football.  Henery is also the punter.  He ranks 24th in the country with a 43.86 average.  I don't have anything that suggests his hang time but he booms his punts.  Broyles had 5 punt returns for just 22 yards with a long of 17 meaning 4 punts were returned an average of 1 yard.  I have no doubt this kid could be the K and P for some team saving them a roster spot.





     
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    I'd trade the Oakland pick for Drew Bledsoe.
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    I was very impressed with Jeffery from S Carolina but havent seen too much about him as far as where he would go.
     
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