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2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : I could see this possibly happening, but we can't let it. we have to sign either one of the 2, or preferably both of them to contracts. Light to a short term one, and Mankins we need to wrap him up forever. Light may actually hold more leverage than Mankins given how important the LT position is in football. God knows there are plenty of teams that could use a starting caliber LT, and they might come calling. I would hate to use my 2 first rounders on the Oline. I think we need to significantly upgrade the Dline. I like you Faucet could see BB standing pat with his LB's. After all, they do have decent production, and give Spikes, Cunningham, Fletcher another year in the system, and they will be that much better. But, that said, we'll still lack an adequate pass rush. This needs to be corrected next year.
    Posted by PatsLifer

    I hadn't really considered it before now but we will have the franchise tag to use and there are only two possible choices, Light or Mankins to use it on.  The cost to tag an OL last year was $8.5MM.  Light isn't worth it, Mankins is.  So, we will not lose both of these guys.  Take that to the bank!!  Once Mankins is tagged, hopefully the sides can then hammer out a long term extension that makes sense.

    Matt Light will absolutely be a hot commodity in the off season.  He will only be 32.  He will want a final big contract and probably 3-4 years.  I don't see the Pats giving that too him.  Some team will.   But Light has been here forever and he might give us a hometown discount to stay.  Other than Brady, he is the only remaining player from all 3 Super Bowls.
     
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    About the draft pecking order how does it go?

    I remember when Tom was out the whole year Pats went 11-5 and did not make the playoffs. Clubs like SD and others made it with worse records, just because they won their weak divisions.  I seem to recall the NFL owners did something to adjust this inequity a year or two later. 

    My question is this as relates to us getting Oakland's #1 next year - which looks like a somewhat disappointing #15 or so overall (I see Raiders losing out to Indy and Chiefs at Arrowhead for 7W - 9L season).  Would Pats with Raider's pick - draft ahead of NFC West or other division-winner with a worse or equal record?
     
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    About the draft pecking order how does it go? I remember when Tom was out the whole year Pats went 11-5 and did not make the playoffs. Clubs like SD and others made it with worse records, just because they won their weak divisions.  I seem to recall the NFL owners did something to adjust this inequity a year or two later.  My question is this as relates to us getting Oakland's #1 next year - which looks like a somewhat disappointing #15 or so overall (I see Raiders losing out to Indy and Chiefs at Arrowhead for 7W - 9L season).  Would Pats with Raider's pick - draft ahead of NFC West or other division-winner with a worse or equal record?
    Posted by fyyankees

    The Raiders pick would be determined by record using the tie breaker system applied for Wild Card when comparing them to the NFC west.  This means teams that fail to make the play-offs pick in inverse order of their record followed by play-off teams.  Below are the rules, teams tied then reverse their draft order in subsequent rounds...

    First Round

    • If there is an expansion team, they select first. If there is more than one expansion team, a coin flip determines who picks first.

    • If there are no expansion teams, the team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft

    Non-Playoff Teams

    • All other teams that fail to make the playoffs are then placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest. (For teams with identical records, see tiebreakers below.)

    Playoff Teams

    • Next come the teams who were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest (based on regular-season record), followed by those eliminated in the second round, again placed in order from lowest winning percentage to highest.

    • After the above teams are placed, the losers of the conference championship games take the next two spots with the team with the lowest winning percentage during the regular season placed ahead of the other.

    • The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.

    • The Super Bowl winner drafts last.

     
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    Faucet I love our young OLBs, but I can count 3 of them, not the 4 we really need.  I think it is still a strong need.  Plus we are an injury away from backups that barely make a team playing or guys that are specialists.  I think we need 1 more high end pick at that position.  Plus this year seems to have several guys that fit the mold and talent we look for.  I am still very high on Kerrigan. 
    I look at the other 3-4 teams that have great Ds and see them adding OLBs and depth much more often than we do at that position.  They also seem to never be without their next great OLB in that line like in Pitt.  I would love to see that here. 
     
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    Our draft order remains largely unchanged even with CAR and OAK winning.

    16, 32, 33, 64, 76, 96

    My hope of landing a stud 34 DE are fading.  I just put this together based on who I think are the best 34 DE prospects for our system.

    #1 Nick Fairley 6-4, 306, 4.92 (Undeclared)
    #2 JJ Watt 6-6, 292, 4.87 (Undeclared)
    #3 Marcell Dareus 6-3, 309, 4.95 (Undeclared)
    #4 Adrian Clayborn 6-3, 286, 4.79
    #5 Cameron Heyward 6-5, 288, 4.92
    #6 Allen Bailey 6-3, 288, 4.79
    #7 Christain Ballard 6-4, 298, 4.86
    #8 Jared Crick 6-6, 285, 4.96 (Undeclared)
    #9 Marvin Austin 6-3, 310, 4.96
    #10 Jarvis Jenkins, 6-4, 315, 4.98

    Clayborn is a bit smallish but he's quick, same with Bailey.  Heyward and Crick have the frames to add some weight.  I'm not sure all of these guys would be considered by us.  What do you guys think of the order and did I leave anyone out?  I considered Siliga and Jordan.

    Assuming we miss out on the top 3 or 4 guys would we take Heyward at 32 for example?  Does he upgrade Deaderick?  Anyone less than 290 would be questionable.  I worry about Mike Wright.  He's been out a long time for a concussion.  He can't make it through a season and I have to wonder if his days in NE are over.  I don't think we spent a top 3 pick on a back-up so if we miss out on the top 3-4 guys perhaps we don't address DL until later.
     
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    Faucet I love our young OLBs, but I can count 3 of them, not the 4 we really need.  I think it is still a strong need.  Plus we are an injury away from backups that barely make a team playing or guys that are specialists.  I think we need 1 more high end pick at that position.  Plus this year seems to have several guys that fit the mold and talent we look for.  I am still very high on Kerrigan.  I look at the other 3-4 teams that have great Ds and see them adding OLBs and depth much more often than we do at that position.  They also seem to never be without their next great OLB in that line like in Pitt.  I would love to see that here. 
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon

    You mentioned MB's boy, Kerrigan.  I think a 43 team takes him before our Raider pick.  To use one of our top 3 picks on an OLB, we have to be pretty certain the player can beat out the guys we have.  Who else do you see that would upgrade Cunningham and/or Ninkovich?  Guys here love Justin Houston but he's pretty raw.  It takes time for 34 OLBs, especially those that haven't played in our system, to grasp the complexity of the system.  You need more than the physical stuff.  Besides the physical and mental side of the position, you need reps.  To be honest, I don't see any player that fits BB's criteria for the position that steps in here day 1 and takes over as a starter.  Even Kerrigan would need time to learn the position. 

    There are some guys I think have the physical attributes that could grow into the position worthy of consideration at 32/33; guys like Ayers, Houston, Wilson, and Hightower, but the later two are ILBs.   

    This is why I favor waiting until pick 64 or perhaps a slight trade up to take a guy who has at least played OLB - KJ Wright for example.  I don't think Wright starts right away but as you mentioned, we are short one player although BB has used Guyton at OLB at times.  Sam Acho could be a guy we look at for 96.  As I pointed out before, it often takes 34 OLBs 3-4 years before they finally produce to the level you want.  I think Fletcher is flashing and he could very well develop into the rush OLB we want.  He had a key sack last night and came close at least one other time.  

    I don't know that another young unproven draft pick that has never played OLB could come in here and improve our defense in the first 2 years, let alone first year.  I'd rather make those first 3 picks safe picks, picks that quickly start and contribute.  Meriweather just doesn't get it, so there is a need at FS that may trump OLB.  If we can't improve the DL, then we should go OL with at least one of our top 3 picks, FS or perhaps CB (as many suggest) with another.  Then trade down and perhaps get an OLB mid 50s. 
     
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    Another observation from last night was the success GB's big bruiser RB, Kuhn, had against us.  That's twice now we got run over by a big back.  I wish we had that element to our offense.  It doesn't have to be John Clay.  I'd be happy with a Keith Payne with our 6th comp pick or as an UDFA. 
     
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    its never too early for mock drafts, however I havent really put too much into it yet myself, with the season still going and all........

    but I agree with soem previous posts, your mocks are good stuff
     
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    Just a thought.  What if we grabbed a FA ORT like Tyson Clabo from Atlanta? 
    Here is his info:  He is bigger than we normally take, but solid, sturdy, did a great job on Clay M.  and is a FA after this year

    Tyson Clabo

    Offensive Tackle

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    TRANSACTIONS

    Originally signed by the Denver as an undrafted rookie free agent on April 26, 2004. Waived by the Broncos on September 5. Signed by the New York Giants practice squad on September 7. Released from the Giants practice squad on September 21. Signed to the San Diego practice squad on October 5. Released by the Chargers on October 11. Signed by the Broncos on December 21. Allocated to the Hamburg Sea Devils of NFL Europa. Waived by the Denver on September 3, 2005. Signed to the Falcons practice squad on September 21, 2005 and was re-signed by the Falcons on January 2, 2006.

    CAREER

    A versatile lineman that has seen extensive action in his first four years with the Falcons, starting 53 career games.

    2009 (FALCONS)

    Started at right tackle in all 16 contests and was part of an offensive line that guided a Falcons rushing attack to a 117.3 yards per game average. Part of an offensive line that did not allow a sack against Carolina (9/20) as quarterback Matt Ryan threw for a career-high three touchdown passes. Member of an offensive line that did not allow a sack on 41 pass attempts. Part of an offensive unit that produced a season-high 183 total rushing yards at Tampa Bay (1/3).

    COLLEGE

    Started the final 36 games of his college career and a total of 37 contests of 47 games played at Wake Forest. Earned first-team All-Atlantic Conference honors as a senior. Started all 13 games as a junior and moved to left guard after playing tackle in 2001, helping the Deacon ground game lead the ACC in rushing for the second-straight year. Started all 11 games at left tackle as a sophomore as he was the only underclassman to start every contest that year.

    PERSONAL

    Versatile athlete who lettered in football and basketball at Farragut (TN) High School. A three-year starter on the football team at offensive guard and tackle, he earned all-conference honors as a junior and senior.
     
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    Faucet, I agree with what u say about BBs OLBs.  The problem is if we never get one, we never see the improvement.  We have all seen the posts that BB never does this or that with examples being taking an OL in the 1st, then it was a LB.  He tends to shock us just when we think we have it figured out.  I think part of the reason we defensively declined was we never did take a guy to develop.  We dont have the continuity at the position that is sooooo very important to us, OLB.  Do I think any OLB we grab is going to unseat TBC or Ninkovich? not right away.  But if they do go down, we have a guy with a higher base level of skill to plug in. In Pitt, my favorite example of OLB drafting, they never play their rookie year as a starter, barring injury.    I do see Cunningham as a future solid OLB.  I would like to find and develop his bookend.  Keep Nink as our coverage guy, and TBC as a pass rush specialist. 
    I can see Kerrigan getting grabbed by a 3-4 team, I am just hoping he doesnt.  Just like my fingers are crossed on Watt at this point.  Add a solid OT and or C/OG and I am thrilled with our top 4 picks.  Rb in the 3rd to 4th, trade the Minn 3rd for a 2nd next year and I am good to go.
     
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    1st round mock, bunch of 5-9 teams.  I probably don't have them in the right order but here it goes, looks like right now Pats (oakland) pick is 16.

    Light signs a 1 or 2yr extension and ends his career a Patriot
    Mankins after franchised finds a way to get a long term deal, if not Connolly is the LG and will need a RG but hope is Mankins.  He means too much to the OL, they play tougher with him there.

    1. Carolina Panthers 2-12
    Andrew Luck QB, Clausen is not working out, they don't pass up a star quality prospect, plus it will be a new coaching staff.
    2. Cincinnati Bengals 3-11
    Da'Quan Bowers DE They are as bad as it comes getting to the QB, Bowers will make a big impact as rookie.  They could also go QB here.
    3. Denver Broncos 3-11
    Patrick Peterson CB Their secondary is bad and getting older, Peterson starts day one.
    4. Buffalo Bills 4-10
    A.J. Green WR They could elect to stick with Fitz, Green gives him a talented WR to go with what's already an underated group. 
    5. Arizona Cardinals 4-10
    Ryan Mallett QB As the Cardinals IMO they are a QB away from been a better team
    6. Detroit Lions 4-10
    Prince Amukamara CB They can use some OL help but no OL worth the 6th pick.  Their D keeps getting better.
    7. Washington Redskins 5-9
    Cam Newton QB with the benching of DM the skins are playing for a better draft spot to get their QB of the future
    8. Cleveland Browns 5-9
    Justin Blackmon WR They give Colt a big time WR to go along with their running game
    9. Minnesota Vikings 5-9
    Jake Locker QB they can't afford not to take a QB, they might make a play for DM but I believe they draft a young QB with a new coaching staff
    10. San Francisco 49ers 5-9
    Robert Quinn DE/OLB no brainer here, this guy will lead them in sacks
    11. Dallas Cowboys 5-9
    Nick Fairley DE I believe they go after Julio Jones, they could be without UFA Austin Miles but I think Fairley is too good to pass up.
    12. Houston Texans 5-9
    Rahim Moore S The Texans needs a many but a backend DB is a must, Moore could be a slight reach at 12 but he's the playmaker they need at safety.
    13. Seattle Seahawks 6-8
    Derek Sherrod OT They have 3 OL as Fas next season, they need the help all QBs off the board they wait for their QB
    14. Tennessee Titans 6-8
    Janoris Jenkins CB They need help in their secondary, they would love a QB but they are all gone by this point
    15. Miami Dolphins 7-7
    Mark Ingram RB either Brown or Williams will be gone next season, they replace either or even both with Ingram.
    16. New England Patriots (via Raiders 7-7)
    JJ Watt DE With a bunch of average players Watt gives them a rook who develops into an everydown DE
    17. San Diego Chargers 8-6
    Ryan Kerrigan OLB the chargers need another pass rusher, Kerrigan will help
    18. Jacksonville Jaguars 8-6
    Von Miller OLB They start to build that front 7
    19. Green Bay Packers 8-6
    Brandon Harris CB They get younger in their secondary
    20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8-6
    Akeem Ayers DE Will help TB come after the QB
    21. St. Louis Rams 6-8
    Julio Jones WR Jones gives them a big play big time WR.
    22. Indianapolis Colts 8-6
    Nate Solder OT Their OL is getting old and not playing well, they need to get younger before allow Manning to get killed
    23. Chicago Bears 9-6
    Marcel Dareus DT they can go either DL or OL, Dareus is a top 10 in some mocks
    24. New York Jets 10-4
    Jonathan Baldwin WR They need OL help and DL help but with both their star WRs as Fas they can't afford to get Sanskirt a playmaker 
    25. Pittsburgh Steelers 9-5
    Mike Pouncey OG why not they found a C in a Pouncey y not a OG in another Pouncey?
    26. New York Giants 9-5
    Cameron Jordan DT they have great Des to their interior DL
    27. New Orleans Saints 10-4
    Anthony Costanzo OT no secret here, they will pick any OT left at this point
    28. Baltimore Ravens 10-4
    Jimmy Smith CB Their complete D is looking slow and not as dominant as they once were part of that is sub play from their secondary. Reed can't be everywhere
    29. Kansas City Chiefs 9-5
    Jeremy Beal OLB MV's replacement he's not getting any younger
    30. Philadelphia Eagles 10-4
    Gabe Carimi OT Will help Vick stay clean and get even better as a passer
    31. Atlanta Falcons 12-2
    Rodney Hudson OG They are solid across the board, if Hudson can add some weight he will be a very good OG
    32. NE Patriots 12-2
    Aldon Smith OLB His name is not well known YET, big question is does he comeout as a red shirt softmore.  If he does he will be a 1st rounder.  Incredible first step and non stop motor.  Has a ton of upside, uses his speed to beat OT can add moves.
    33. NE Patriots 12-2
    Deunta Williams FS Williams (a converted WR) is a ballhawk who loves studying film and being coached.  He is a leader and selfless team mate.  (here's my shot) he's everything Merri is not and is not what Merri is!
    64. NE Patriots 12-2
    Johnny Patrick CB This guy can play man or zone, he is a sure tackler and has above average speed to go along with excellent instincts.
    3rd rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 (Min)
    Stephen Schilling OG Better at pass protection than run blocking, he has room to add some lbs.  Will need to improve run blocking but should be a solid starter.
    3rd rnd. ANE Patriots 12-2
    Marcus Gilbert OT BB goes into the Pats minor league team, the FL Gators.  Gilbert has been productive and is able to do what Pats like to do with their OL.  He can pass protect as well as pull.  He's been productive run blocking against very good DLs in the SEC.  
    4th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2
    Anthony Allen RB This guys is a freight train (6'0" 230lbs), but can run over people or take it outside and run away from people.  He plays at GT so I believe he won't get all the media because of the style of O he plays in. 
    5th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2
    Armand Robinson WR Good route runner with very quick feet and speed to go over the top of Ds.  He probably needs time to develop into an all around NFL WR but has the upside to be a very good #2 or even a Branch type #1a or b.
    6th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2
    Andrew Jackson OL He's beeing compared to Mankins not only because he's from Fresno State.  He plays with the same mean streak as Mankins and is the same type player.  Has played every position other than C.  Not saying he's as good, but could worth a shot to bring this guy in.

     
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    Another observation from last night was the success GB's big bruiser RB, Kuhn, had against us.  That's twice now we got run over by a big back.  I wish we had that element to our offense.  It doesn't have to be John Clay.  I'd be happy with a Keith Payne with our 6th comp pick or as an UDFA. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    Or Robert Hughes the 5-11 245 bruiser from ND in the same range.  Either way, I agree, there is no one on the NE roster that is cut out for that role.
     
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    Another observation from last night was the success GB's big bruiser RB, Kuhn, had against us.  That's twice now we got run over by a big back.  I wish we had that element to our offense.  It doesn't have to be John Clay.  I'd be happy with a Keith Payne with our 6th comp pick or as an UDFA. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    I don't think he ran over anyone. He jumped over everyone and the one time he didn't jump he got stuffed short of the goal line.

    If someone wanted to add a bruising back element to the team thats one thing but if you did then i want him bruising and punishing people not jumping over them.

    Jumping and leaping has a much higher likelihood of putting a back in position to have a fumble the Patriots did not do a very good job tackling him or in general last night.

    Heck Arrington ran thorugh more people and broke more tackles on his pick-6 than that GB back did all night I think.
     
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    1st round mock, bunch of 5-9 teams.  I probably don't have them in the right order but here it goes, looks like right now Pats (oakland) pick is 16. Light signs a 1 or 2yr extension and ends his career a Patriot Mankins after franchised finds a way to get a long term deal, if not Connolly is the LG and will need a RG but hope is Mankins.  He means too much to the OL, they play tougher with him there. 1. Carolina Panthers 2-12 Andrew Luck QB, Clausen is not working out, they don't pass up a star quality prospect, plus it will be a new coaching staff. 2. Cincinnati Bengals 3-11 Da'Quan Bowers DE They are as bad as it comes getting to the QB, Bowers will make a big impact as rookie.   They could also go QB here. 3. Denver Broncos 3-11 Patrick Peterson CB Their secondary is bad and getting older, Peterson starts day one. 4. Buffalo Bills 4-10 A.J. Green WR They could elect to stick with Fitz, Green gives him a talented WR to go with what's already an underated group.   5. Arizona Cardinals 4-10 Ryan Mallett QB As the Cardinals IMO they are a QB away from been a better team 6. Detroit Lions 4-10 Prince Amukamara CB They can use some OL help but no OL worth the 6th pick.   Their D keeps getting better. 7. Washington Redskins 5-9 Cam Newton QB with the benching of DM the skins are playing for a better draft spot to get their QB of the future 8. Cleveland Browns 5-9 Justin Blackmon WR They give Colt a big time WR to go along with their running game 9. Minnesota Vikings 5-9 Jake Locker QB they can't afford not to take a QB, they might make a play for DM but I believe they draft a young QB with a new coaching staff 10. San Francisco 49ers 5-9 Robert Quinn DE/OLB no brainer here, this guy will lead them in sacks 11. Dallas Cowboys 5-9 Nick Fairley DE I believe they go after Julio Jones, they could be without UFA Austin Miles but I think Fairley is too good to pass up. 12. Houston Texans 5-9 Rahim Moore S The Texans needs a many but a backend DB is a must, Moore could be a slight reach at 12 but he's the playmaker they need at safety. 13. Seattle Seahawks 6-8 Derek Sherrod OT They have 3 OL as Fas next season, they need the help all QBs off the board they wait for their QB 14. Tennessee Titans 6-8 Janoris Jenkins CB They need help in their secondary, they would love a QB but they are all gone by this point 15. Miami Dolphins 7-7 Mark Ingram RB either Brown or Williams will be gone next season, they replace either or even both with Ingram. 16. New England Patriots (via Raiders 7-7) JJ Watt DE With a bunch of average players Watt gives them a rook who develops into an everydown DE 17. San Diego Chargers 8-6 Ryan Kerrigan OLB the chargers need another pass rusher, Kerrigan will help 18. Jacksonville Jaguars 8-6 Von Miller OLB They start to build that front 7 19. Green Bay Packers 8-6 Brandon Harris CB They get younger in their secondary 20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8-6 Akeem Ayers DE Will help TB come after the QB 21. St. Louis Rams 6-8 Julio Jones WR Jones gives them a big play big time WR. 22. Indianapolis Colts 8-6 Derek Sherrod OT Their OL is getting old and not playing well, they need to get younger before allow Manning to get killed 23. Chicago Bears 9-6 Marcel Dareus DT they can go either DL or OL, Dareus is a top 10 in some mocks 24. New York Jets 10-4 Jonathan Baldwin WR They need OL help and DL help but with both their star WRs as Fas they can't afford to get Sanskirt a playmaker   25. Pittsburgh Steelers 9-5 Mike Pouncey OG why not they found a C in a Pouncey y not a OG in another Pouncey? 26. New York Giants 9-5 Cameron Jordan DT they have great Des to their interior DL 27. New Orleans Saints 10-4 Anthony Costanzo OT no secret here, they will pick any OT left at this point 28. Baltimore Ravens 10-4 Jimmy Smith CB Their complete D is looking slow and not as dominant as they once were part of that is sub play from their secondary. Reed can't be everywhere 29. Kansas City Chiefs 9-5 Jeremy Beal OLB MV's replacement he's not getting any younger 30. Philadelphia Eagles 10-4 Nate Solder OT Will help Vick stay clean and get even better as a passer 31. Atlanta Falcons 12-2 Rodney Hudson OG They are solid across the board, if Hudson can add some weight he will be a very good OG 32. NE Patriots 12-2 Aldon Smith OLB His name is not well known YET, big question is does he comeout as a red shirt softmore.   If he does he will be a 1st rounder.   Incredible first step and non stop motor.   Has a ton of upside, uses his speed to beat OT can add moves. 33. NE Patriots 12-2 Deunta Williams FS Williams (a converted WR) is a ballhawk who loves studying film and being coached.   He is a leader and selfless team mate.   (here's my shot) he's everything Merri is not and is not what Merri is! 64. NE Patriots 12-2 Johnny Patrick CB This guy can play man or zone, he is a sure tackler and has above average speed to go along with excellent instincts. 3rd rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 (Min) Stephen Schilling OG Better at pass protection than run blocking, he has room to add some lbs.   Will need to improve run blocking but should be a solid starter. 3rd rnd. ANE Patriots 12-2 Marcus Gilbert OT BB goes into the Pats minor league team, the FL Gators.   Gilbert has been productive and is able to do what Pats like to do with their OL.   He can pass protect as well as pull.   He's been productive run blocking against very good DLs in the SEC.    4th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 Anthony Allen RB This guys is a freight train (6'0" 230lbs), but can run over people or take it outside and run away from people.   He plays at GT so I believe he won't get all the media because of the style of O he plays in.   5th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 Armand Robinson WR Good route runner with very quick feet and speed to go over the top of Ds.   He probably needs time to develop into an all around NFL WR but has the upside to be a very good #2 or even a Branch type #1a or b. 6th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 Andrew Jackson OL He's beeing compared to Mankins not only because he's from Fresno State.   He plays with the same mean streak as Mankins and is the same type player.   Has played every position other than C.   Not saying he's as good, but could worth a shot to bring this guy in.
    Posted by Pats7393


    Pats, good job, but you have Sherrod going to both Seattle and Colts!
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Pats, good job, but you have Sherrod going to both Seattle and Colts!
    Posted by fyyankees


    Sure did, thanks moved the OTs around.
     
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    Faucet, I agree with what u say about BBs OLBs.  The problem is if we never get one, we never see the improvement.  We have all seen the posts that BB never does this or that with examples being taking an OL in the 1st, then it was a LB.  He tends to shock us just when we think we have it figured out.  I think part of the reason we defensively declined was we never did take a guy to develop.  We dont have the continuity at the position that is sooooo very important to us, OLB.  Do I think any OLB we grab is going to unseat TBC or Ninkovich? not right away.  But if they do go down, we have a guy with a higher base level of skill to plug in. In Pitt, my favorite example of OLB drafting, they never play their rookie year as a starter, barring injury.    I do see Cunningham as a future solid OLB.  I would like to find and develop his bookend.  Keep Nink as our coverage guy, and TBC as a pass rush specialist.  I can see Kerrigan getting grabbed by a 3-4 team, I am just hoping he doesnt.  Just like my fingers are crossed on Watt at this point.  Add a solid OT and or C/OG and I am thrilled with our top 4 picks.  Rb in the 3rd to 4th, trade the Minn 3rd for a 2nd next year and I am good to go.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon

    BB has used free agency much more than the draft to acquire OLBs.   He acquired free agents Roman Phiferand Mike Vrabel in 2001, Rosevelt Colvinin 2003, and Adalius Thomas in 2007.  In 2009, He traded for Derrick Burgess.  He also signed free agent Tully Banta-Cainin 2009 after SF released him and he signed Rob Ninkovichin 2009.  Other than Vrabel and Ninkovich, these were fairly major acquisitions of known veterans with several having been to the Pro Bowl.  Vrabel was a pleasant surprise while Thomas and Burgess were disappointments.  The point is BB more often looks for F/A veterans at the OLB position as opposed to developing a young draft pick.

    Last year as we know he drafted Cunningham in the 2nd.  He also signed Dane Fletcher as an UDFA.  After one season, it is impossible to think either player has reached their full potential.  Prior to the last draft he drafted Shawn Crable as an OLB in the 3rd round of the 2008 draft.  Crable was a bust.  I am not aware of any other OLBs taken in the 4th round or higher in the BB era.  It could be there hasn't been a need until recently for drafting OLBs.  You're right, just when we think we have BB figured out, he fools us. 

    Still, we don't know how BB feels about his current crop of OLBs and if he feels there is anyone in the draft he thinks would do better.  I think it more likely for him to go after another veteran OLB if he feels he needs an upgrade vs. spending a high draft pick.  That's why I favor KJ Wright in the mid 50s or so.  He's 6-3, 250 and runs a 4.60.  This puts him right there with our other OLBs but faster.

    We do know BB very much values his DL and has invested three first round picks there over the years.  Since the whole D is dependent upon the front three, I would think there would be a higher likelihood that he would want to fix the DL before drafting another OLB.  In watching any of the games when we only rush 3, we get ZERO pressure.

     
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    Faucet, I agree with DL first, hopefully Watt.  After that, I am just hoping to infuse one more young low wear guy into our D to grow over the next few seasons and carry Brady and BB to rings 4 5 and 6 :)
    I am happy if the OLB we grab is in the first 2 rds. 
    As far as BBs history of adding vet OLBs, you are correct on that of course.  However, I think he is molding/creating a whole new D from the ground up this time.  Last time he was adding to an existing foundation and filling in the cracks.   I suspect that he thinks that a young, hand picked D can carry him and Brady past the point where TB's skills start to diminish a little and get an extra ring or so from it.  Grabbing a rookie allows the pick to learn the BB system from day one and not learn bad habits elsewhere. 
     
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    Nobody seems to be concerned about RB? I am ...
    1. Sammy  = gone
    2. Faulk = retired
    3. Taylor = done and gone

    Pats should be able to get DeMarco Murray in the 2nd Round. This guy is dynamic and is an EXCELLENT pass catching back. His outside speed, decent size and excellent pass catching ability makes him a perfect fit with BJGE and Woody AND for Tom Brady.

    BJGE is the off tackle dirty work inside and pass blocking back
    Woody is the change of pace back
    Murray is the speedy outside running/pass catching dual threat back

    This would be an incredible YOUNG triple threat backfield for the rest of TB's career.
     
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    jj watt has patriots written all over him. in the 2012 mock draft i looked at he was in the top ten, so if we can get him with our 16th pick we basically are getting a top ten pick a year early(if he declares). he is freakishly athletic and has a motor that never stops. when ty warren returns it would be a blessing to rotate these two guys until watt takes over(nothing hurts learning from a pro bowl savvy veteran). its going to be hard to double team big vince all day long with ends the caliber of watt and warren lining up opposite each other and next to big vince, then if we could pick up a olb like akeem ayers or von miller to line up with mayo spikes and cunningham we would have a dominant defense for the future. go pats.
     
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    Faucet, I agree with DL first, hopefully Watt.  After that, I am just hoping to infuse one more young low wear guy into our D to grow over the next few seasons and carry Brady and BB to rings 4 5 and 6 :) I am happy if the OLB we grab is in the first 2 rds.  As far as BBs history of adding vet OLBs, you are correct on that of course.  However, I think he is molding/creating a whole new D from the ground up this time.  Last time he was adding to an existing foundation and filling in the cracks.   I suspect that he thinks that a young, hand picked D can carry him and Brady past the point where TB's skills start to diminish a little and get an extra ring or so from it.  Grabbing a rookie allows the pick to learn the BB system from day one and not learn bad habits elsewhere. 
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon

    I'm with you Mord.  I too want Watt, Dareus or Fairley or someone who can get some pressure from the DE position.  After that I would like to add some OL help;  it could be an OT or someone who can play C or OG.  Pouncey, Wisneiski are my top choices.  If we miss out on them, then I say trade down with both 32/33 picks and land a Moffitt or Schilling with one and an OLB or S with the other.  We could actually do all four things.  We trade back with 32 and 33 then back up with 64 and end up with picks like 42, 46, 54 plus another 3rd that we can flip for a 2012 2nd.

    If we did this, or even if we don't we would still end up with 12 picks in three drafts that were taken in either the 1st or 2nd rounds. 
     
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    Pats, you know I'm loving Watt with that Raider pick.  However, I think you are mistaken if you think BB is going to spend his first 4 picks on defense.  He has the youngest defense in the NFL already at 25.6 years.  Bringing in 4 more guys at 21 - 23 is too much inexperience and youth.  You would be replacing guys who are 25 with guys who are 22.  He should go DL (if he can) at 15-17 then he should start getting some youth at OL, RB and WR.  I would rather him sprinkle in a veteran defender or two in free agency and start a mini youth movement on offense where it's needed.  We aren't going to find many Devin McCourty's who play like Pro Bowlers in their first year.  Our young guys need time to develop.
     
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    Pat,

    Austin Miles already re-upped with Dallas.  If Fairley is sitting there at #11, shouldn't we package #64 and #16 and move up to get him? 
     
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    The Raider pick is actually looking like #15.  They are #16 in the league standings but an NFC West team is going to make the play-offs with a worse record, either SEA or STL appear likely with SF still alive.  There are 12 play-off teams and right now four 8-6 teams on the outside with one, IND, on the inside. 

    The Raiders and Dolphins are the only 7-7 teams and since MIA beat OAK, MIA holds the tie breaker.  The Raiders have IND and @ KC left with both teams fighting for their lives.  I think the Raiders lose them both.  Even if they slit, MIA hosts DET then plays NE who should be playing for nothing.  MIA should finish 8-8 and even if OAK upsets either KC or IND, they likely can't pass MIA.  I also looked at the five 8-6 teams.  They should all be favored to win at least one of their remaining games so for this reason, the OAK pick should be no worse than 15.

    I then went to see if any 6-8 teams could win out overtaking OAK.  I believe MIN loses to CHI tonight to go 5-9.  The 6-8 teams are SEA, STL and TEN.  As mentioned either SEA or STL will win the division.  SEA has @ TB, STL while STL has SF, @ SEA.  I think they both split to finish 7-9.  If OAK also finishes 7-9 it doesn't matter, OAK beat both SEA and STL and would hold the tie breaker.  TEN beat OAK but I can't see them beating IND or KC so they aren't going to finish 7-9. 

    I looked at the schedules of the 5 win teams.  None appear to be able to win out.  So in reality, the OAK pick is looking pretty strong at #15 with upsets needed to change this spot.
     
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    With #15 and #32 we could move up to #6 and get a 5th round pick, #134 (a little lower depending on comp picks).  Would we do it for Nick Fairley or Patrick Peterson?  We could move to #4 if we included our MIN pick.  With Bodden coming back, I don't think I'd do it for Peterson, as good as he is.  However, for Fairley, I'd move up to #6.  Fairley is the next Warren Sapp.  He is what our Defense is missing.  He makes the whole defense better.  We still have pick 33 to get a stud OT or to move down for a stud OG. I still love Watt and would give up 64 and 15 to get him but Fairley is just a bit more disruptive.  We have to get a stud DE this draft.  I'd do this, sign Light 1-2 years to put off replacing him and tag Mankins meaning we only need 1 interior linesmen to back up the middle 3.
     
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