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2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : I would say that Meriweather is worth nothing more then a 2nd round pick to a really desperate team and even that might if you get them drunk enough. Now that's hard to argue considering it's very rare that a 1st pick is traded for anyone in the secondary. Usually 1st round picks are only traded for QB's or people who are top 3 HoF caliber players and Meriweather is neither. So I'll overestimate him and say he's worth the #33 pick. Now the lowest possible pick we could have with ours is 30 (hopefully it would be #32) so the value of #30 is 620 and the value of #33 is 580 combined they are valued at 1200. The #11 pick is valued at 1250. Now that's if Meriweather is valued that high which going into the final year of his contract and not being a top 3 S in the league that is a big stretch. Now if you were to say the 17th and Meriweather for the #11th or 9th then I'd believe it.

    And if you think you can get a 1st for Meriweather just remember KC traded a 2nd to get a starting QB who brought them to the playoffs and a starting LB at the time. Seymour was traded for a 1st 2 years after the trade and he's one of the best at his position. Boldin (which is closer to where I believe Meriweathers value truely is) didn't even earn a 2nd for his value. Then of course there was Brandon Marshall which Mia over paid for but only cost them a 2nd and a pick in 11'. Unless you think Meriweather is worth more to any team then any of those guys the value just doesn't add up.


    To me there is no question if I'm Dal or Hou and really wanted to get a S you trade back to the mid 20's while picking up a 1st next year and maybe another extra pick this year or trade up from the second round and you draft Moore or McDaniel.
    Posted by PatsEng



    I am not going to argue for Meri garnering a 1st as I am not even arguing for trading him.

    ...but to play devils advocate you have to keep in mind the situation not just the talent/value of the players.

    Cassel FranchiseTag too costly to keep, teams know you have to move him, also still people questioning if he was a one year wonder at the time.

    Result - Trading position of strength weakened.

    Boldin at am impasse with team and teams know he has to be moved. Disgruntled and wants shiny new costly contract.

    Result - Trading position of strength weakened.

    Marshall at am impasse with team and teams know he has to be moved. Disgruntled and wants shiny new costly contract.

    Result - Trading position of strength weakened.

    Meri trade I will make the favorable "assumption", for arguments sake, that the Pats are approached about him and not the other way around. Not sure what his contract situation is.

    Result - If approached cold your bargaining position is a lot stronger, and stronger still is his contract is palatable and you are not actively shopping him.

    In general I am opposed to trading a player(known commodity) for picks(potential) unless you've already determined you are having your hand some what forced  and going to move on from that player and better to get the value you can before your bargaining power lessens and get less.
     
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    In case it is not common knowledge. Justin Blackmon is staying in school also.
     
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    At this way too early stage of draft talk is there anyone i am forgettting as "possible" players to go before pick #17?

    QB (3-4) Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Mallet
    CB (2-3) Peterson, Amukamara
    WR (2) Green, Jones
    RB (1) Ingram
    OT (1-2) Solder, Sherrod, Costanzo, Carimi
    DE/DT (4) Fairley, Dareus, Paea, Clayborn, Jordan
    DE/OLB (3-4) Bowers, Quinn, Miller, Kerrigan, Ayers
     
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    I would agree on Meriweather and his value. The point I was trying to make is that you can't really assign a number of points to him the same way you can to a draft position... but I guess you can only do so in a non scientific manner...meaning, Meriweathers value is debatable based on the team/need/perception as compared to the 32 pick in the draft which has a very concrete number assigned to it. Honestly, I don't know what people outside of NE think of him, I doubt they see him the same way we see him as fans. I personally don't think he will be traded this offseason. Pats have him at a low salary going into the last year of his contract. They might just let him walk. I don't think they are going to resign him. I don't see the Pats trading up major league in this draft. The only few I would go into the top 5 for are Fairely, Dareus, and Peterson. I just don't think BB makes a move that high given what it will cost. But each I think would really help this defense become elite. We migth see marginal trades up, but probably more aggressive trades down/out...in typical BB fashion. Here's a question for MB and the group....Has anyone looked into the 2012 draft class to see who may be potential Patriots? Since we know BB's draft strategy is multi-dimensional/year, could we evaluate trades out/down this year while looking at who they may be targeting in the 2012 draft class?...just a thought...
    Posted by PatsLifer


    While I don't think BB trades into a future draft to target a specific player, below are 4 kids that stick out as players I was impressed with this year. 

    Trent Richardson (5-11 220) RB Alabama:  He's a think, powerful back that some would argue is a NFL prospect than Mark Ingram.  He's a violent runner that picks up a ton of yards after contact and can catch the football and is a player I really like. 

    TJ Moe (6-0 200) WR Missouri:  Looks like a great fit for NE's passing offense as he's uses quickness and solid routs to create seperation in coverage, can find soft spots in zone and gets in sync with his QB and has solid hands.  He also has great production with 92-1045-6 in 2010.

    Mani Te'O (6-2 245) ILB ND:  Great size, speed, motor and athleticism, he's also a very instinctive, identifies the play and closes quickly on the football, has good potential in coverage and could be a difference maker at the NFL level.

    Shayne Skov (6-3 243) LB Stanford:  Versatile kid with good size, great toughness, intensity and motor and is an active player that flies around field and makes plays (10.5 TFL and 7 sacks in 2010).
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : This is great news....to me as I'm also an Irish fan.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Well, MB, temper your joy with the knowledge that TE Rudolph is gone.  Personally, I wanted Floyd gone so we had an additional player buffer in the draft before the Pats pick, as I believe he would have been a top 16 pick. 

    Also, interesting dialogue/discussion above re Julio - your thoughts on him?  Also, I thought a while back zBall gave us a stirling evaluation re WR Jonathan Baldwin of Pitt and promised to deliver the goods on other blue chip WRs?  Pls call him out, MB.
     
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    At this way too early stage of draft talk is there anyone i am forgettting as "possible" players to go before pick #17? QB (3-4) Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Mallet CB (2-3) Peterson, Amukamara WR (2) Green, Jones RB (1) Ingram OT (1-2) Solder, Sherrod, Costanzo, Carimi DE/DT (4) Fairley, Dareus, Paea, Clayborn, Jordan DE/OLB (3-4) Bowers, Quinn, Miller, Kerrigan, Ayers
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    You could probably add Allen Bailey, Brandon Harris and JJ Watt to the list of "possible" players.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : While I don't think BB trades into a future draft to target a specific player, below are 4 kids that stick out as players I was impressed with this year.  Trent Richardson (5-11 220) RB Alabama :  He's a think, powerful back that some would argue is a NFL prospect than Mark Ingram.  He's a violent runner that picks up a ton of yards after contact and can catch the football and is a player I really like.  TJ Moe (6-0 200) WR Missouri :  Looks like a great fit for NE's passing offense as he's uses quickness and solid routs to create seperation in coverage, can find soft spots in zone and gets in sync with his QB and has solid hands.  He also has great production with 92-1045-6 in 2010. Mani Te'O (6-2 245) ILB ND:   Great size, speed, motor and athleticism, he's also a very instinctive, identifies the play and closes quickly on the football, has good potential in coverage and could be a difference maker at the NFL level. Shayne Skov (6-3 243) LB Stanford :  Versatile kid with good size, great toughness, intensity and motor and is an active player that flies around field and makes plays (10.5 TFL and 7 sacks in 2010).
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    With a straight face i can say it was my 1st time watching Auburn really play this year in the Championship and said to myself after seeing Dyer make a few runs early that I was yelling at the TV to stop throwing it and just run that kid.

    I know he's a pup and it was one game and I have absolutely no idea what sort of season he had but he caught my eye from the moment he touched the ball.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Well, MB, temper your joy with the knowledge that TE Rudolph is gone.  Personally, I wanted Floyd gone so we had an additional player buffer in the draft before the Pats pick, as I believe he would have been a top 16 pick.  Also, interesting dialogue/discussion above re Julio - your thoughts on him?  Also, I thought a while back zBall gave us a stirling evaluation re WR Jonathan Baldwin of Pitt and promised to deliver the goods on other blue chip WRs?  Pls call him out, MB.
    Posted by fyyankees


    Rudolph is a big loss, yes, but they won some big games w/o him and have a stud TE coming in this year.  I saw Floyd as more of a 2nd round kid in this class.

    I've written about Julio multiple times, great size speed combo, productive against top competition, great RAC and big play ability, tough as nails, will play injured, will work the middle of the field, willing and good blocker, gives a great effort.  He's someone I project as a potential option for NE assuming he gets to 17.

    I'm not in the business of calling cats out, there's still a ton of time before the draft and I'm sure ZB will provide some great info/insight before then. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : With a straight face i can say it was my 1st time watching Auburn really play this year in the Championship and said to myself after seeing Dyer make a few runs early that I was yelling at the TV to stop throwing it and just run that kid. I know he's a pup and it was one game and I have absolutely no idea what sort of season he had but he caught my eye from the moment he touched the ball.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Kid has a bright future after dominating the SEC (182-1095-5) as a true frosh.  He was a 5* prospect coming out of HS so the talent was there, but it's great to see it actually come to fruition. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : You could probably add Allen Bailey, Brandon Harris and JJ Watt to the list of "possible" players.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    You ultimately will probably be right as things will change so much by draft time but right now i have not seen any of those guys listed that high that's why I didn't add them.

    Harris, maybe out of need, as there are a bunch of teams above us with CB needs, just like QB needs.

    The QB's will be intersting because i think teams have themselves in a pickle. You have all those teams i listed earlier "possibly" in need of a QB. That's twice as many and people have projected as possible 1st rounders. Then you could add Seattle in that mix at 25 also. WIll some try and trade down to where they think the value is better suited for one of them? Will they take the one they like, early, out of fear he might not be there later or because they do not have the chips to play to get back into a round? I think it could be very interesting how that all plays out.

    With all the WR's staying in school I certainly see Green and Jones going early if you need one for fear of either of them not being there later and a big drop off between them and the others coming out.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Well, MB, temper your joy with the knowledge that TE Rudolph is gone.  Personally, I wanted Floyd gone so we had an additional player buffer in the draft before the Pats pick, as I believe he would have been a top 16 pick.  Also, interesting dialogue/discussion above re Julio - your thoughts on him?  Also, I thought a while back zBall gave us a stirling evaluation re WR Jonathan Baldwin of Pitt and promised to deliver the goods on other blue chip WRs?  Pls call him out, MB.
    Posted by fyyankees


    You might be correct but it was very interesting to see all the tweets that occompanied the news about him staying saying that it was to be expected because he was NOT considered a 1st round pick.

    Usual suspects represented. Wes Bunting, Draft Breakdown, Walter Fiootball, Draft Ace, that kid Zoebel or something, etc....
     
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    I've been watching some clips of Von Miller, and I'm starting to come around on this guy.  You won't find a pass rusher with a quicker first step.  He also looks like he could be effective in pass coverage.  I know that he is under-sized, but with Cunningham setting the edge on one side, I could see Miller being a nice compliment across from him. 
     
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    www.boston.com/community/persona.html?UID=ba061b02c6a0fa4e524f7162211782c0&plckUserId=ba061b02c6a0fa4e524f7162211782c0" target="_parent">rameakap,

    Kiper gets all his info from reading this thread.  Perhaps that's why he now has Watt at 15.  Actually, he left Wisniewski off his list but has Pouncey on it, so I guess he isn't reading everything.  Wisniewski is the better player and I'd say by at least 15 spots. 


    If there was any way to get Watt, Wisniewski and Jones, I'd pretty much call that a full draft.

     
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    "We aren't drafting for need, we're drafting for depth"

    Who is our starting right OLB ?

    Who is our Starting DL besides Vince W ?

    How many of our RB will be back next year ?

    How many OL will be back next year ?

    If the answers of those questions does not make you feel THE URGENT NEED TO IMPROVE THIS TEAM AT SOME KEY POSITIONS... i don´t know what will.

    Yes, the pats won 14 games in the regular season, and maybe they will win it all this year... but that does not hide the reality at some positions... We still haven´t found nobody that can generate some decent Pass Rush... BJGE & WOODY are great, but are they the 1-2 punch to build around ? The Dline lacks of playmakers (besides VW)

    In my opinion WE NEED to get this:

    #1.- DL (Draft pick)

    #2.- LB (FA or trade)

    #3.- RB (Draft pick & FA or trade)

    #4.- OL (Draft pick & FA or Trade)

    #5.- CB  (FA or trade)

    #6.- WR (FA or trade)

     

    I love all the great info you guys give us... thanks.

     

     

     
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    Kentucky's dynamic all-purpose threat Randall Cobb has declared and will be appearing in my upcoming mock. 

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/13/kentuckys-cobb-declares-for-draft
     
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    Watt, Carimi, Wiesnewski, Herzlich, Tyler Sash and Powell.
    those six fall to Pats slots and it will be Xmas morning for me.
    Plus sign FA Wr and Rb. Malcolm Floyd and Ronnie Brown.
     
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    Kentucky's dynamic all-purpose threat Randall Cobb has declared and will be appearing in my upcoming mock.  http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/13/kentuckys-cobb-declares-for-draft
    Posted by mbeaulieu07
    Randall Cobb is a stud. the guy can play anywheres on the field outside of the interior line and maybe TE. I'm pretty sure he could move across the line of scrimmage and handle either CB or SS with ease.
     
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    Watt, Carimi, Wiesnewski, Herzlich, Tyler Sash and Powell. those six fall to Pats slots and it will be Xmas morning for me. Plus sign FA Wr and Rb. Malcolm Floyd and Ronnie Brown.
    Posted by pumpsiefan


    We think alike when it comes to your mock.  I think it's Watt or Jordan at 17 and I've loved Herzlich, Sash and Powell as fits for this team for quite a while.  Carimi may be gone but looks like good value at 32 and Wisniewski is a tough, versatile and experienced kid with good bloodline's and the potential to start an all three interior line positions.  You're likely to see some of these names in my next mock.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Randall Cobb is a stud. the guy can play anywheres on the field outside of the interior line and maybe TE. I'm pretty sure he could move across the line of scrimmage and handle either CB or SS with ease.
    Posted by sportsbozo1


    Agreed and as for defense, he did record two tackles on the season, so he could represent an emergency fill in there.  Versatility is one of BB's favorite traits in a player and combined with his production (144-1661-13 as a receiver, 228-1313-22 on running plays, 2 return TD's and 5 passing TD's in his career), I think he's a great fit for their roster, ultimately becoming Branch's understudy and replacing either Edelman or Slater on the roster.
     
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    I found this latest mock to be very interesting. Covers rounds 1-4. Can't say I agree with all the picks and where they are selected, but for those of you who have been high on Aldon Smith and JJ Watt, you'll be sad to know they go to Jacksonville and Dallas respectively at #8 and #9.... Too high you say?....maybe, but don't forget it only takes 1 teach to "reach" like the Jags did last year with that Cal DE they selected early round 1...forget name...

    http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011_1.php

    They have us taking the following;
    #17 - Jordan (DE) with the Raiders pick (which is something I've been yapping about for about 50 pages now. I like this kid in our scheme and his ability to play 3-4 DE or anywhere along the line in a 4-3. Much written about him on this board...many supporters as well including our draft guru MB.
    #32 - Ingram -(RB) Can't say I love this pick. I don't think Ingram making it to 32 is slipping..I have him mocked early/mid second round. I think there are too many other players who stock is rising, and this will continue to push Ingram down the list.
    #33 - Wisniewski (C/G)- Like this pick. Can't argue with it or where he is taken. Fills need especially with the life expectancy of our OL.
    #64 - Curtis Brown (CB) - Don't know much about him. Haven't see him much in this thread either...Anyone have any analysis on him? I like his size however, seems similar in stature to Bodden.
    #74 - Friday (LB) - Kind of like this pick...like the kid, but not the spot. I'd take him 15 spots lower. Nice size, somewhat ideal for our 3-4 OLB at 6'4", 250lbs.
    #96 - Pinkston (OT) - Where does this guy sit in the OT rankings? On this site they are talking about him being the replacement for Light. Personally, I don't want a late 3rd round pick protecting Brady's blind side. We need a blue chipper here if Light is not signed, or, Vollmer to LT and possibly this kid at RT.





     
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    I found this latest mock to be very interesting. Covers rounds 1-4. Can't say I agree with all the picks and where they are selected, but for those of you who have been high on Aldon Smith and JJ Watt, you'll be sad to know they go to Jacksonville and Dallas respectively at #8 and #9.... Too high you say?....maybe, but don't forget it only takes 1 teach to "reach" like the Jags did last year with that Cal DE they selected early round 1...forget name... http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011_1.php They have us taking the following; #17 - Jordan (DE) with the Raiders pick (which is something I've been yapping about for about 50 pages now. I like this kid in our scheme and his ability to play 3-4 DE or anywhere along the line in a 4-3. Much written about him on this board...many supporters as well including our draft guru MB. #32 - Ingram -(RB) Can't say I love this pick. I don't think Ingram making it to 32 is slipping..I have him mocked early/mid second round. I think there are too many other players who stock is rising, and this will continue to push Ingram down the list. #33 - Wisniewski (C/G)- Like this pick. Can't argue with it or where he is taken. Fills need especially with the life expectancy of our OL. #64 - Curtis Brown (CB) - Don't know much about him. Haven't see him much in this thread either...Anyone have any analysis on him? I like his size however, seems similar in stature to Bodden. #74 - Friday (LB) - Kind of like this pick...like the kid, but not the spot. I'd take him 15 spots lower. Nice size, somewhat ideal for our 3-4 OLB at 6'4", 250lbs. #96 - Pinkston (OT) - Where does this guy sit in the OT rankings? On this site they are talking about him being the replacement for Light. Personally, I don't want a late 3rd round pick protecting Brady's blind side. We need a blue chipper here if Light is not signed, or, Vollmer to LT and possibly this kid at RT.
    Posted by PatsLifer

    Everyone is talking about Jordan on here.  I hate to admit but I've never seen him play.  Anyone have some clips on him?  I'm going to stay on the Watt train until he's picked by someone else.  I know, I need to expand the possibilities.  I like Julio Jones if he somehow slips to 17.  I also like a bit of a trade down for Wisniewski.  Of all the players mocked for us, I like the Wisniewski pick the best.  I really focused on him during his bowl game with Florida.  Wisniewski is a beast.  He could end up being our answer if Mankins leaves.  I think he is that good.  If Mankins stays, Wisniewski could take over for Koppen eventually.

    I've talked about Ingram at length, I just don't think we'd take any RB with our top 3 picks. 

    Pinkston is an interesting pick but I don't think he fits BB size requirements for OTs.  I realize he is basically the same size as Light but Light was drafted in 2001.  Since then BB has been going after OTs in the 6-6 to 6-8 range.  As for where Pinkston is ranked, I have him 7th among tackles.  I believe the plan is for Vollmer to move over to LT when Light leaves, which could be next year.  So, we are really looking for a RT.  Kaczur should be back but he was never the answer.  I could see Love (64), Gilbert (96) or Hairston (4th) to fill that need. 

    I still don't see the need at CB, so hate that pick.  We all agree McCourtyis a lock down corner and signed through 2014.  Last season we were all adamant that we can't afford to let Bodden get away.  We got our wish and he was signed to a lucrative deal through 2013.  Unless someone knows something about Bodden's injury being more severe and that he likely can't play next year, I don't see the need to spend yet another high pick on a CB.  Arrington did a solid job this year as a starter so as a back-up, he would be solid also.  Butler showed signs of life late in the season and was in there a lot in sub packages and Wilhite, when healthy is experienced enough fill out the 5th CB spot.


    Where we really need to add some depth is at Safety.  Hardly anyone but me is talking about this.  Meriweather and Sanders will both be free agents after 2011.  Meriweather is going to want a huge pay day, I don't see it coming from us.  Page will be a free agent after this season.  That leaves Chung as the only safety signed past next season.

     
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    I'd like to see BB bundle the 2 first round picks or what ever is needed to move up and take the best DL available. I know this is a very elementary suggestion but a stud on the DL could make the entire D more effective.
     
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    Faucet,

    Here are a few youtube link on Jordan. Not an extensive amount of film on him

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIVTNoQHHA
     
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    I assume this post was aimed at a comment I made?  My point was we are the best team in football.  We have a pretty stable roster already for 2011 with Mankins and Light the only big question marks.  Could we improve the team, absolutely but I'd bet we'd be pretty competitive next year even if we didn't have a draft.

    "We aren't drafting for need, we're drafting for depth"

    Who is our starting right OLB ? Cunningham backed up by TBC

    Who is our Starting DL besides Vince W ? Ty Warren and Deaderick. We may resign G. Warren too if we don't draft anyone.

    How many of our RB will be back next year ? Woodhead and BJGE are locks to be back.  Faulk thinks he's coming back but he likely be forced into retirement as will Taylor.  Morris might have a year left.  In a limited role he held up this season.  I look for us to add a F/A RB or draft one in round 3 or later.  In any event, Woody and BJGE will get the bulk of the carries.  I don't see any reason to change it.

    How many OL will be back next year ? This is the million dollar question.  I think Mankins will be tagged and hopefully a long term deal can be reached.  If not, he will be tagged and traded if possible, if not possible, tagged and played for one more year.  I don't see the Pats just letting him walk without some kind of fight or compensation.  If Mankins is tagged, Light would be the odd man out unless he is happy for a 1-2 year deal in the $4-5MM range. 

    If the answers of those questions does not make you feel THE URGENT NEED TO IMPROVE THIS TEAM AT SOME KEY POSITIONS... i don´t know what will.

    Yes, the pats won 14 games in the regular season, and maybe they will win it all this year... but that does not hide the reality at some positions... We still haven´t found nobody that can generate some decent Pass Rush... BJGE & WOODY are great, but are they the 1-2 punch to build around ? The Dline lacks of playmakers (besides VW)

    In my opinion WE NEED to get this:

    #1.- DL (Draft pick)

    #2.- LB (FA or trade)

    #3.- RB (Draft pick & FA or trade)

    #4.- OL (Draft pick & FA or Trade)

    #5.- CB  (FA or trade)

    #6.- WR (FA or trade)


    I really like the Wisniewski pick somewhere in the 17-33 range.  He solves all of our interior OL issues for years to come.  If Mankins leaves after this season, we plug and play him at LG.  If Mankins stays, he battles Connolly for the RG spot.  Both Connolly and Koppen are set to be free agents after the 2011 season so Wisniewski won't have to wait long to get a starting job as there are multiple doors that could open for him.  He'd also be the first off the bench of our interior line stays the same for 2011.  If we miss out on him, than I think we are looking at a pure OG somewhere at or after pick 64.

    Yes, I do like the idea of DL with one of those top 3 picks.  There are a ton of options that make sense, Watt, Jordan, Heyward, Ballard, Wilkerson, Clayborn, etc, but I also think there is a big possibility that BB doesn't take any with his top 3 picks.  I say that because we have a lot of young players at the position.  We are already carrying 1 more than normal.  With Ty coming back, we will either have to say goodbye to G. Warren, Mike Wright or one of the young players.  I was surprised we didn't address the position last year until the 7th round given the depth in the draft and the loss of Seymour so nothing would surprise me.


    I think Safety is a huge need area and I would put WR up there too but there is a lot of decent talent later on the board at WR.  There are no elite safeties.  Maybe one sneaks into the first round but I think round 2 is the place to look.



     
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     so if you havent noticed some jets fans made a vid on youtube called rex's gang green. it has taken off and has 70k views. well someone in pats nation had to step up and colly c has put out a response you should check out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilaNx1bjGk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilaNx1bjGk lets get pats nation to respond loudly to them
     
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