Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***
posted at 2/8/2011 3:18 PM EST
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : sl, Welcome to the board/thread. Nice work, some debatable picks there, but nothing too crazy, outside of QB. I'm curious of your thought process for ranking Andy Dalton #1 overall at QB while Gabbert (head and shoulders the best QB prospect available) is all the way down at #4, behind the likes of Ponder and Locker. Interesting pick with Scott Lutrus as your #3 ILB. He seems a little out of place there as most publications have him as a 7th round/URFA, so I wanted to research him a bit and see if I could find any tape on him. He's a good sized kid (listed at 6-3 245) that looks to have some pretty good speed, quicks, is an active player with decent instincts that fills downhill quickly and seems to be around the football a lot, evident by his 213 total tackles (17 TFL) as a Freshman/107/9 and Sophmore/106/8. He's since seen his production decline with 69 as a Junior and 59 as a Senior and he's also had some neck/stinger problems which will need to be looked into (neck problems for a LB aren't a good thing). He is however, a player that I will keep an eye on.
Posted by mbeaulieu07
I figured someone would catch onto my QB rankings after a while, and after reading your stuff, I knew it would be you, and rightfully so on your part. Contrary to the popular opinion, I think the top 4 QB's really won't be the top 4 QB, looking back on this 10 years from now (Gabbert, Mallett, Newton, Locker). I think that Mallett is just a mess, I have gotten other draftniks and other buddies who follow closely also in agreement on Mallett. People fall in love with his big arm too much, and forget a multitude of things. The kid is a wreck off the field, and has many problems including a rumored drug problem recently. He is a clubhouse cancer waiting to happen and his attitude reminds me of Phillip Rivers who I hate for that also. Mallett has horribly decision making and poor accuracy on a good deal of throws, but people are wowed by his size and arm.
Now to your question about Dalton at #1, Ponder #2, Locker #3, Gabbert #4. I think Dalton just has what it takes to succeed in this league, I may be wrong, draft "experts" make wrong calls every year, and this is simply just my opinion. This isn't how I view them to go in the draft but who I personally think will be best. I think that Dalton has it all like I said. He may not have the strong arm or the great size, but he has 3 things I look for first in a quarterback. Accuracy, Leader, Winner. The kid flat out knows how to get it done, and watching the Wisconsin tape especially, in his biggest game as a collegiate athlete, he made every throw. He doesn't have the ideal size or big arm that scouts love, but the kid will get it done wherever he goes, again just my opinion. Ponder, I think will be a great West Coast QB, again he doesn't have the big arm, but he can make all the throws with accuracy and I have heard that he was a great guy and leader of a team, which is always a bonus. Ponder and same with Dalton will both be 2nd round guys but I think they are the 2 best in this class. Now on to Locker, who has exceptional talent, but when I look at QB, one of the things I look at is accuracy and that is clearly where he is lacking which leads me to drop him down from what his talent suggests. If Locker gets the right coach and a few years under a good QB, I think he can be special, but I don't like him as a guy that can start right away. While Dalton and maybe Ponder, I think can. Now onto your biggest question of why Gabbert all the way at #4. Personally, I think he has gotten overrated in the wake of Luck choosing to stay in school, and jumped onto the scene too fast. Don't get me wrong, Gabbert has a good arm, great size, and decent athleticism, but he wasn't a big producer at Missouri and still work to do before I'd be comfortable riding him out there on Sundays, not to say it can't be done with good coaching again, but it needs to be done. He comes out of a spreaad offense so his footwork will need to be worked on, and if he can prove at the Combine that he has solid footwork, I may move him up a bit, cause that is always a big thing coming out of the spread. I also think Gabbert is just too inconsisent, I have only watched a few games of him, but I think he needs to improve accuracy and the deep ball too. I think he would have been better off staying in school and improving his skills, and be a lock to be a top 10 pick along with Luck next year. Again just my opinion, but that's what I believe at this point.
Another point on me with QB's. I don't nessacarily want a big guy with a big arm. As far as arm strength goes, I see if he can make all the throws, he doesn't need to be overly impressive doing so but if he can have accuracy throwing the deep ball, the posts, the dig routes, etc, etc. Then I look at his accuracy, which is the biggest thing for me, I need to not only make sure you can make the throws but be accurate. If that checks out, then I look at how he is as a leader, if he was a winner, if he is a good guy from what coaches say. All things should be a factor in deciding the future of the QB position for your team.
As for Lutrus, I got the pleasure of watching him, Lawrence Wilson, and Greg Lloyd play at UConn over their careers, and all are very solid talents, that should make NFL rosters, especially Lutrus and Wilson. Lutrus, just has the "it" factor too me. He may not be overly athletic, but the guy makes plays and does it often. The reason his productivity went down his final 2 years was because of injuries, which will be big for him. The kid has high character and a great work ethic. He will never be a flashy guy who runs fast, or jumps high, but he will get it done. At worst he is a contributor in sub packages and on Special Teams. At best he is a 4 down player, who can start at ILB for you for 10 years. I tend to lean towards the latter, with him playing 10 years, and being a great mid-late round pick for a team. He won't be the 3 ILB off the board, but I think he has the potential to be that good, and maybe better when all is said and done. I like guys who are captains, hard workers, and good character, that is 3 big things for me. Give him a chance, and I doubt he disapoints.