2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    pats lifer and sports lover,
       
         1st patlifer,
               (re our selections above-you missed my desire for moffit) if we get none of these positons filled via fa other than resigns,
    i value the o-line stud above the receiver, so would err on losing baldwin/hankerson, but i do not care about the low round picks(how many more rookies are we goona add to this team) and if we can get 
    moffit ideally or watkins, then hankerson/baldwin, not necessarily in that order, but in priority order, that would be the ideal.  if there's any picks left or iin undrafteds, i want a tall good fs.

    so for me it's pass rusher -olb 1st, d line and o line 2nd (tie), big breakaway 3 down back, tall tough receiver who can get off blocks and catch, then free safety.

    sportsbozo,
        yes this may be ideal. but that's what we are talking about. the draft has far too many variables after every pick for us to go through all of the possible permutations. who knows if any of our picks will happen, but it's fun to root for something.

    a mock to me is what you'd like most to happen 
    or mock b, what every team is most likely to do (less fun to me- and who would really know anyway).

    do you have any suggested alternatives to any of the last few pages of mocks?
    i always want to learn/project/fantasize more.

    thanks guys
     
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    OH SPIT!

    Bill O'Brien promoted to offensive coordinator.





    one of my high "draft" hopes didnt come true...

    :(
     
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    cbdam,

    You can have your fantasy mock all you want, and I didn't call out that mock in any way, actually saying it would be a great mock for the Patriots, but in the same breath it is extremely unlikely to happen. There are a few types of mock, realistic mocks, and fan pipeline mocks, both are perfectly fine, and I am not categorizing that mock in either section but just realize that a lot of fans are rather uneducated on the topics and don't make the best mocks. I think this board has a bunch of educated solid fan base, but I have the right to speak my opinion, although you took it out of context.

    Also Bill O'Brien, is perfectly fine as O-Coordinator. We had best offense in league last year, stop the 1 game overraction, not just you but everybody. We will be fine on offense.
     
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    cbdam, You can have your fantasy mock all you want, and I didn't call out that mock in any way, actually saying it would be a great mock for the Patriots, but in the same breath it is extremely unlikely to happen. There are a few types of mock, realistic mocks, and fan pipeline mocks, both are perfectly fine, and I am not categorizing that mock in either section but just realize that a lot of fans are rather uneducated on the topics and don't make the best mocks. I think this board has a bunch of educated solid fan base, but I have the right to speak my opinion, although you took it out of context. Also Bill O'Brien, is perfectly fine as O-Coordinator. We had best offense in league last year, stop the 1 game overraction, not just you but everybody. We will be fine on offense.
    Posted by sportslover21



    hey sprtslover21,
     thanks and i understand. 
    i still dont know what a realistic mock would be since i'm not sure anuyone is privy to what bb may do in the draft.
    thanks for the comments. i'm open to more on the patriots and the nfl, and especially the draft.

    cheers man

    cbdam/bredbru
     
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    mayock's top 5 by position:


    Quarterback:

    *1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
    2. Jake Locker, Washington
    *3. Cam Newton, Auburn
    *4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
    5. Andy Dalton, TCU

    running back:

    *1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
    2. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
    *3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
    *4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
    *5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

    Wide receiver:

    *1. A.J. Green, Georgia
    *2. Julio Jones, Alabama
    3. Titus Young, Boise State
    *4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
    *5. Torrey Smith

    Tight end:

    *1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
    2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
    3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
    4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
    5. Virgil Green, Nevada

    Guard/center:

    1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
    2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
    3. Clint Boling, Georgia
    4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
    5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State

    Tackle:

    1. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College
    2. Nate Solder, Colorado
    *3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
    4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
    T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
    T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

     

    Defensive End:

    *1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
    *2. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
    3. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
    4. Cameron Jordan, California
    *5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina

    Defensive tackle:

    *1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
    *2. Nick Fairley, Auburn
    *3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
    4. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
    *5. Jurrell Casey, Southern California

    Outside Linebacker:

    1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
    *2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
    *3. Justin Houston, Georgia
    4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
    5. Chris Carter, Fresno State

    Inside Linebacker:

    *1. Martez Wilson, Illinois
    2. Colin McCarthy, Miami (Fla.)
    3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
    4. Casey Matthews, Oregon
    5. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU

    Cornerback:

    *1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
    2. Prince Amukamara
    *3. Aaron Williams, Texas
    4. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
    *5. Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.)

    Safety:

    *1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
    2. Ahmad Black, Florida
    3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson

    4. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma 


    5.Deunta Williams, North Carolina
     
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    a player rep and what's in his mind:

    More than 700 would-be free agents affected by labor strife


    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Jason Babin has won the gamble he took by signing a one-year deal with Tennessee.

    The defensive end racked up a career-high 12.5 sacks and earned his first Pro Bowl berth. But all his hard work may not pay off in a multimillion dollar deal.

    NFL labor strife will likely mean Babin won't be wined and dined on an owner's private jet during free agency.


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    With the collective bargaining agreement expiring March 3, Babin and other would-be free agents face the very real possibility that they get ordered back to their old teams at the bargain basement price of 120 percent of their last salary. Play another season, risk serious injury. And wait.

    "That's really scary to me," Babin said. "That definitely wouldn't be good timing. Hey, there's so many guys in a similar situation as myself with contracts expiring, it would be unfair practice and I think a lot would have a huge problem with it."

    Babin has lots of company in facing this nightmare scenario.

    More than 700 NFL players have contracts expiring with the labor deal, a group that includes players like Indianapolis running back Joseph Addai finishing up his fourth season in the league to Titans linebacker Stephen Tulloch who missed out on free agency in 2010 when rules for the final year of the CBA allowed Tennessee to keep him with a one-year deal.

    How many years a player needs to reach free agency is something that could change in a new labor deal.

    There are veterans like Titans quarterback Kerry Collins, who might decide to retire after 16 NFL seasons. Tennessee fullback Ahmard Hall signed his first league deal as a free agent in 2006, and the former Marine is ready to capitalize on blocking for a 1,000-yard rusher in each of his five pro seasons.

    Vikings linebacker Chad Greenway was a Pro Bowl alternate this season and with his five years' experience could find himself not eligible for free agency. He doesn't know what's happening this offseason with his family wanting to know where they'll live next.

    "For me, of course you're anxious because you want to know what's going to happen, but at the same time ... you can't do too much about it. Just going to stay patient," Greenway said recently.

    Then there's Babin.

    The Titans are his fifth NFL team in seven seasons. A first-round pick out of Western Michigan in 2004 by Houston, the 6-foot-3, 260-pound Babin didn't fit in as the outside rushing linebacker they wanted. He had just 13 sacks in his three seasons with the Texans before Houston traded him to Seattle in September 2007.

    He played four games before the Seahawks released him a year later. Kansas City signed him as a free agent in November 2008, and Babin landed in Philadelphia in August 2009 where he played in 12 games with 2.5 sacks. Babin signed an offer for $1 million with Tennessee on March 19, and the Eagles declined to match.

    For the kid who once dragged a tire down the streets of Paw Paw, Mich., trying to prepare himself for the NFL, Tennessee proved the perfect defense for Babin as he turned in the best year of his professional career. He had 58 tackles, those 12.5 sacks and forced two fumbles in a performance that earned him a trip to Hawaii as a starter.

    Babin is back home in Texas with his family and says he tries not to worry about what he has little control over.

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    "There's so many moving parts to this and so many people that will be affected by it, it would be atrocious on the owner's side of things to forego the season ... they would be looked on by the public as monsters. I don't think they want that," Babin said.

    The NFL and the NFL Players Association met for a few hours Wednesday, then canceled Thursday's session.

    Teammates elected Babin as an assistant player's representative during the season, so he stays in touch updating fellow players because they all want to know the latest information whenever they run into each other or talk on the phone.

    "It's in everybody's minds," he said.

    Babin said he has been planning a long time for whatever happens in 2011 in case the NFL suffers its first stoppage in play since 1987 and feels he's been pretty wise. He has a side business running a hunting ranch in Texas. He's much more worried about younger players.

    "Those guys in their second or third year that don't have much saved or don't have much direction if things do go south. That's who I think is really in the most jeopardy and most concern in my mind," Babin said.

    "Everyone's been talking about it. It's obvious the owners have been preparing for it for three years secretly so they think it's a real possibility to at least prepare for it. I'm glad now I'm kind of on the inside to see the truth of what's really going on. It's something that happens every ... 25 years it seems like. It's the NFL timetable."

    Tennessee is a team Babin wanted to return to with a new contract. But his defensive line coach Jim Washburn is now in Philadelphia, the Titans parted with coach Jeff Fisher at the end of January after 16 full seasons as head coach and replaced him by promoting offensive line coach Mike Munchak on Monday.

    So Babin isn't sure yet what defense will be run until Munchak hires a new coordinator and line coach. He just monitors the situation closely with friends texting him updates every time something new happens in Nashville. He's staying busy living life as a father and husband as he usually does each offseason.

    Though this offseason brings this new twist.

    "There's definitely a wait and see," Babin said.

     
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     Mr Kraft

    Just give us Tamba Hali, Cullen Jenkins, Malcolm Floyd and Pierre Thomas......

    Then the draft....................WOW

    Eat them apples..............
     
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    wow. Just watched that Wilkerson clip on You Tube. He can really move, eh? Me likey.
    Posted by BBReigns


    i have been flipflopping between watt and wilkerson. i saw three wisconsin games to watch the OL, but Watt was indeed noticeable. now though the youtube clips are the only things on which i can base my assessments and comparisons of the two.

    one big difference i noticed (and i don't know if the clips are truly representative):  the tackles on wilkerson's clip are really good tackles - arms wrapped around. it seems that he is pretty good at getting his body close enough to the ball to make reliable tackles. on the other hand a lot of the tackles on watt's clip were hand tackles that i think will not work in the nfl.  i can see the upside on watt, but right now, wilkerson seems to be the better tackler.
     
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    just read this on tim grahams chat, made me laugh and i thougth some here might enjoy it (especially if you've got a sense of humor and in th emood to be amused).

    "Yes, it's that time of year. But part of the reason the offseason can be so grueling is sorting through all the uneducated speculation that turns our to be wrong 98 percent of the time. With that in mind, I've never done a mock draft and never will. The Bills don't even know who they're going to draft right now. So, with all due respect to anybody's draft forecast questions, it would be disingenuous for me to pretend like I know something the Bills (or any other team) don't know themselves. I'll leave that up to the draftniks."


    yeah i admit it,
     i'm a draftnik and i enjoy it... and nobody gets klilled..

    peace
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : For me I just have not seen enough film on either player. JJ is much more athletic and active but i really only saw him in the bowl game and do not claim to know his responsibilities in that game or Wis. D system. At times he seemed undisciplined or moving without thought, simply reckless abandon. That strictly a knee jerk reaction/assessment from watching one game and not even entirely focusing on him as there were other players to try and watch also. Only a general feel. For what is worth. Mayock recently finished watching film on Watt and called him a beast and his top rated 3-4 DE. Wilkerson I really only saw one clip on him on YouTube and well its wasn't bad but nothing really jumped out at you either. Simply solid. Another guy who no one talks about much and I think could be viewed as a possibility is the kid from Baylor. People keep trying to stick him in a box like they do with so many players. I think everyone thinks he's only a NT. Not sure of that. The film I have watch shows he can move and is just a big man and not some fat slob with a huge belly. The weird thing about his film though is that he almost does better against double teams than he is one-on-one. I am assuming when he makes his rush moves he loses leverage or balance which is not good but when he anchors he's not going anywhere. Maybe that's why people have him pegged for nose tackle only?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ

    I have seen at least 6 games with JJ Watt, none with Wilkerson but I would rate Watt higher based on level of competition.  I know much more about Watt, he is a great character kid, smart, clean off the field, has huge hands and makes big plays.  He has a non stop motor.  In our system he will need to work more on keeping assignments and not always trying to penetrate.  He can be over aggressive at times.  But these are correctable problems.

    Wilkerson played against mostly soft competition with the exception of Penn State and UCONN.  Other teams he faced were: Villanova, Central Michigan, Army, Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Akron, Kent State, Ohio (not to be confused with Ohio State) and Miami OH (not to be confused with Miami).

    Other than Penn State's Wisniewski, the only other draftable OL he faced was Zach Hurd from UCONN and Ben Ijalana of Villanova.  How did Wilkerson do against Penn State and UCONN?  He had 2 tackles against UCONN, 1 solo.  The UCONN game was his worst statistical game of the season by far.  Against Penn State he had 9 tackles, 4 solo.  He did not register a sack in either game.  His sacks came against Central Michigan (2), Army, Buffalo (3), Kent State (3), and Miami (OH).  So, I think we need to discount his 68 tackles (45 solo) and 10 sacks somewhat if we're being fair.

    JJ Watt faced better teams with better OLs.  But he played some dogs too.  His schedule included UNLV, San Jose State, Arizona State, Austin Peay, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan and Northwestern.  Stephen Schilling from Michigan, Justin Boren and Bryant Browning from Ohio State, Julian Vandervelde from Iowa, James Brewer from Indiana, DJ Young and J'Michael Deane from Michigan State are clearly better OLs.  Michigan State and Ohio State have pretty solid OLs and Watt had a 10 tackle (5 solo) with a sack against Michigan State and 4 tackles, all solo and 2 sacks against Ohio State.  He also had a sack against Iowa, Purdue and Northwestern.  Watt's 62 tackles, 43 solo and 7 sacks to me are more impressive than Wilkerson's 68 tackles (45 solo) and 10 sacks.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : Taylor was 337 at the SB, here's what West Bunting of The National Football Post had to say: "Baylor DL Phil Taylor carried 337-pounds about as well as you can for a defensive linemen. At 6034 he didn’t seem to have much extra girth through the mid-section and also appeared to be in good shape. The kind of size/length to get looks both inside and as a potential five-technique at the next level." I do agree that his character etc., will need to be looked into and he didn't appear to be an overlly productive player, but he does have excellent strength and quickness for his size and I could see him playing snaps at NT or DE in NE's 3-4.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    I watched Taylor closely in the Texas Bowl.  Taylor flashed a couple of times and he single-handedly stopped one drive but most of the game he was a non factor.  He appeared to take plays off.  Add this to his character issues and I don't think he's a good fit for the Pats.
     
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    One thing we should always remember, 1st round picks need to be safe picks.  With the money we pay them and the extra year in contract length, we cannot afford a bust.  The one thing the Pats have done as well as any team is they've made good picks in the first round.  The only "bust" in the BB era was Maroney.  Some of us may not have been thrilled with Meriweather but he made the Pro Bowl a few times already. 

    My point is, just because rush OLB appears to be our biggest need, doesn't mean we should try to address it in the first round.  I have pointed out as have others that history is full of first round pass rushing busts.  History is also filled with later round gems at the position.  We would be better off drafting DL like Jordan/Watt or OT like Castonzo/Carimi/Solder than gambling on a DE conversion pass rusher early on.

    Taylor and Wilkerson are risky picks IMO and I wouldn't touch either with any of our first 3 picks. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : I have seen at least 6 games with JJ Watt, none with Wilkerson but I would rate Watt higher based on level of competition.  I know much more about Watt, he is a great character kid, smart, clean off the field, has huge hands and makes big plays.  He has a non stop motor.  In our system he will need to work more on keeping assignments and not always trying to penetrate.  He can be over aggressive at times.  But these are correctable problems. Wilkerson played against mostly soft competition with the exception of Penn State and UCONN.  Other teams he faced were: Villanova, Central Michigan, Army, Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Akron, Kent State, Ohio (not to be confused with Ohio State) and Miami OH (not to be confused with Miami). Other than Penn State's Wisniewski, the only other draftable OL he faced was Zach Hurd from UCONN and Ben Ijalana of Villanova.  How did Wilkerson do against Penn State and UCONN?  He had 2 tackles against UCONN, 1 solo.  The UCONN game was his worst statistical game of the season by far.  Against Penn State he had 9 tackles, 4 solo.  He did not register a sack in either game.  His sacks came against Central Michigan (2), Army, Buffalo (3), Kent State (3), and Miami (OH).  So, I think we need to discount his 68 tackles (45 solo) and 10 sacks somewhat if we're being fair. JJ Watt faced better teams with better OLs.  But he played some dogs too.  His schedule included UNLV, San Jose State, Arizona State, Austin Peay, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan and Northwestern.  Stephen Schilling from Michigan, Justin Boren and Bryant Browning from Ohio State, Julian Vandervelde from Iowa, James Brewer from Indiana, DJ Young and J'Michael Deane from Michigan State are clearly better OLs.  Michigan State and Ohio State have pretty solid OLs and Watt had a 10 tackle (5 solo) with a sack against Michigan State and 4 tackles, all solo and 2 sacks against Ohio State.  He also had a sack against Iowa, Purdue and Northwestern.  Watt's 62 tackles, 43 solo and 7 sacks to me are more impressive than Wilkerson's 68 tackles (45 solo) and 10 sacks.
    Posted by Faucetman


    LOL I've actually seen more Wilkerson so my opinion is that Wilkerson might end up being the better overall player in the end. It's true he didn't play the same competition as Watt but his instincts and moves could easily translate to better competition. The reason I think Watt is going to go higher is because Watt is more of a certainty because of the competition factor but I think Wilkerson has a bit more upside with slightly more risk.

    Now saying that I would love to have either on the team. The way I look at it is that I want a 2 pass rusher 1 in OLB and 1 at DE. Now I think the difference between the the two tiers in OLB's is that Kerrigan and Smith could also develop into 3 down players while Houston and Reed look more like specialty rushers. So I'd take Kerrigan and Smith at 17 before Watt knowing that Wilkerson will be there at 28. If Kerrigan or Smith aren't there I'd go with Watt knowing I could grab a top G or T at 28 and get Houston or Reed in the 2nd. I guess what I'm saying between Wilkerson and Watt it all boils down to who's there at #17
     
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    Here's a draft the provides some immediate help as well as stocking the cupboard for the future, not to mention adding a ton of blue collar toughness and positional versatility.

    17- DE- JJ Watt
    28- TE- Kyle Rudolph
    33- OG- Danny Watkins
    56- WR- Randall Cobb
    74- LB- Brooks Reed
    92- FB- Owen Marecic

    I'm sure a lot of people will look at pick 28 and say, what?  BB just drafted two TE's last year, but, Crumpler will be 34 at the end of next season and Aaron Hernandez is more of a flex type.  Kyle Rudolph is the complete package as a TE with the ability to play in-line, block in the run/pass game, stretch the seam and provide plays out of the slot.  BB places a lot of value in TE's, especially players that project to be solid in all facets, and this kid is a good one.
     
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    mb, I appreciate all the work you put into this thread. 

    But that's not the draft I would like, even with 5 of 6 players being white...


    Here's a draft the provides some immediate help as well as stocking the cupboard for the future, not to mention adding a ton of blue collar toughness and positional versatility. 17- DE- JJ Watt 28- TE- Kyle Rudolph 33- OG- Danny Watkins 56- WR- Randall Cobb 74- LB- Brooks Reed 92- FB- Owen Marecic I'm sure a lot of people will look at pick 28 and say, what?  BB just drafted two TE's last year, but, Crumpler will be 34 at the end of next season and Aaron Hernandez is more of a flex type.  Kyle Rudolph is the complete package as a TE with the ability to play in-line, block in the run/pass game, stretch the seam and provide plays out of the slot.  BB places a lot of value in TE's, especially players that project to be solid in all facets, and this kid is a good one.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


     
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    mb07,

    While you can state multiple ways while that may be worth it for the Pats to have a draft like that, I am not sure that fills needs or is what we should do. While I agree we can add another complete TE, I don't think it's worth it to add a Gronkowski clone at #28, especially since it would give us 4 TE, and would have to get rid of Crump who is such a big important part of mentoring our young TE, and will most definitely be around for another year.

    I also don't think Watkins warrants the #33 selection and we'd be better off taking a guy like Moffitt at #74 and Reed at #60. With a WR or a OT like Ben Ijalana at 33.

    While Cobb is a fit at WR, I am not sure he makes an impact year 1 and is worth a 2nd round selection, he is the same as the rest of our WR with maybe more quickness and agility but not as good hands. I like adding to the type of WR we have but if we do that, mine as well go with Sanzenbacher in the 6th Round from Ohio State, or Jeremy Kerley from TCU in the 4th/5th Round. Also not a fan of Marenic. I know you love him, but I don't think he really adds much to the team as a 3rd rounder, we have depth at LB already so he wouldn't get significant time there, he'd be a solid ST but we can find those guys later or in UDFA/UFA, and as a FB he doesn't offer much that we can't get on our own roster or later in the draft, but just my opinion.

    As for what I think the Patriots will do as of now:

    #17 -- OLB Aldon Smith, Missouri
    #28 -- DE Muhammed Wilkerson, Temple
    #33 -- OT Ben Ijalana, Villanova
    #60 -- OLB Brooks Reed, Arizona
    #74 -- OG John Moffitt, Wisconsin
    #92 -- S Ahmad Black, Florida
    4th -- RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
    5th -- CB Justin Rogers, Richmond
    6th -- WR Dane Sanzenbacher, Ohio State

    I think this would not only be an ideal draft but also a realistic one. Aldon Smith at 17, as everyone has discussed, gives us that prototypical, high upside BB personnel type player. Has ideal size, and great athleticism and with coaching and a year with not much pressure on him, can turn into a star. At 28, we grab the best fit for BB's system at the 5-tech in Muhammed Wilkerson. Wilkerson has ideal size, and great quickness, along with good hand placement and good strength to hold up against the run. Then we grab the OT of the future, in Ben Ijalana, who is from a 1-AA school that doesn't get much attention but will be a very good pro. I expect us to sign Matt Light for 1-2 years and Ben can sit for that time, but if we don't Ben can step in right away at RT if need be. Next we grab the steady OLB that can come in right away and contribute more then Aldon Smith probably will in his first year but when we get all our LB at their fullest potential, BB will have plenty of players to tool around with and create some scary matchups on defense. THen we grab the 2nd best OG in the draft that no one thinks is, with a steal at #74. Moffitt can come right in and play if need be,, he has a mean streak and good punch and solid athleticism to get out on screens, and screams a Patriot, blue collar player. At 92, we grab the best Safety in the class, but will slide down boards because of size,speed, that's alright you don't need that to play on the Patriots. Black will contribute in a big way year 1, covering the slot reciever and also playing some normal Safety, and will be a Patriot for a long time to come. Then we go with Daniel Thomas, who will fall for being slow just like Black, but who was once viewed as a 1st round talent. Thomas is the bruiser we need, that can run in between tackles, and will eventually be a steal, that can fit in and compliment BJGE and Woodhead. Then we go after a CB for depth in Justin Rogers, that may or may not make the team, but if he does can be a solid ST guy with nickel and dime potential. Then we grab a Patriot prototypical slot WR in Sanzenbacher, who is like a Wes Welker, in that he doesn't run well and may even go undrafted, but he catches everything thrown his way and is clutch, if there is one slot guy I'd like in this draft for good value, it's him.
     
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    A couple of opinions and a note to remember...

    I was not able to watch any of the senior bowl practices while they were going on but I did take time last night to watch WR drillsthat someone gratiously posted on youtube. I know WR is a very low priority.

    Two WR's that really jumped out at me during one on one drils with CB's.

    Titus Young
    Vincent Brown

    I know everyone is all over the kid from Miami Hankerson or whatever his name is and he had a nice senior bowl game. I still thought the 2 I mentioned looked consistently impressive.

    Especially Brown because he's still not considered to be going super high so he's a better "value" as he does not look out of place compared to either Hankerson or Young.

    The other player I have been watching is Carimi. Really do not see him playing left Tackle at all in the NFL. In fact if Nick Kaczur was a devastating run blocker that's who he would remind me of. He's not really that great at pass blocking so he's certainly a right tackle in my opinion. I think both Carimi and Watkins would make good right tackle/guards. You could draft either and have them play guard and move them out to tackle later.

    I could see him on the Patriots but where is the question?

    I think people freak out when the Patriots pass on guys in a certain round and forget they are comparing that player vs what they have on the roster and also where they got a player of previous quality in other years.

    Now I have absolutely no idea what the Patriots think of Carimi but lets say they liked him and thought he was somewhere between Vollmer and Kaczur. Does anyone really think they would draft him with any of the 1st three picks?

    We've discussed this before but i don't think the Patriots appraoch a draft year as its own entity. I think they place a value on a player not just aginst other players in the same draft but against player values regardless of draft year. ...and also vs what they have on the roster regardless of draft round.

    I find too often times that people on the boards say of we should draft x player in x round because he will definatly be an upgrade on play x on the roster because that guy was a UDFA or late round pick.

    It doesn't work that way.

    I am convinced that's why the Patriots draft some players so early that the so called experts call them reaches and why they pass on others. They might like a player but not at where they feel they would need to draft him to land him. They are very disciplined and I don't think they do that very often. I also think its why they trade down obviously.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : I have seen at least 6 games with JJ Watt, none with Wilkerson but I would rate Watt higher based on level of competition.  I know much more about Watt, he is a great character kid, smart, clean off the field, has huge hands and makes big plays.  He has a non stop motor.  In our system he will need to work more on keeping assignments and not always trying to penetrate.  He can be over aggressive at times.  But these are correctable problems. Wilkerson played against mostly soft competition with the exception of Penn State and UCONN.  Other teams he faced were: Villanova, Central Michigan, Army, Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Akron, Kent State, Ohio (not to be confused with Ohio State) and Miami OH (not to be confused with Miami). Other than Penn State's Wisniewski, the only other draftable OL he faced was Zach Hurd from UCONN and Ben Ijalana of Villanova.  How did Wilkerson do against Penn State and UCONN?  He had 2 tackles against UCONN, 1 solo.  The UCONN game was his worst statistical game of the season by far.  Against Penn State he had 9 tackles, 4 solo.  He did not register a sack in either game.  His sacks came against Central Michigan (2), Army, Buffalo (3), Kent State (3), and Miami (OH).  So, I think we need to discount his 68 tackles (45 solo) and 10 sacks somewhat if we're being fair. JJ Watt faced better teams with better OLs.  But he played some dogs too.  His schedule included UNLV, San Jose State, Arizona State, Austin Peay, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan and Northwestern.  Stephen Schilling from Michigan, Justin Boren and Bryant Browning from Ohio State, Julian Vandervelde from Iowa, James Brewer from Indiana, DJ Young and J'Michael Deane from Michigan State are clearly better OLs.  Michigan State and Ohio State have pretty solid OLs and Watt had a 10 tackle (5 solo) with a sack against Michigan State and 4 tackles, all solo and 2 sacks against Ohio State.  He also had a sack against Iowa, Purdue and Northwestern.  Watt's 62 tackles, 43 solo and 7 sacks to me are more impressive than Wilkerson's 68 tackles (45 solo) and 10 sacks.
    Posted by Faucetman



    Seems fair and logical.
     
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    OK starting to feel like espn talking abou tthe top of the draft over and over again.

    Anyone have any good links to film on the DE/OLB kid from Rice the Pats were talking to back at the east/west game?

    It was written that he was, (overused phrase) unblockable.
     
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    OK starting to feel like espn talking abou tthe top of the draft over and over again. Anyone have any good links to film on the DE/OLB kid from Rice the Pats were talking to back at the east/west game? It was written that he was, (overused phrase) unblockable.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I hear you Low....the kid you are talking about from Rice is Cheta Ozougwu. He played DE for Rice, but is probably going to be a DE to 3-4LB convert. He's 6'2", 255, so he has the right size for the position I believe, although an extra 2 inches woudl be optimal. he has decent stats for 2010 at teh DE position with 54 tackles, 3 FF, 3 sacks, 11 QB hurries.....but again, you have to question the competition that Rice plays against.

    I can't find any game tape on him..only an interview he did after a game...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyb76YkCa6U

    Where did you see anything saying the Pats spoke with him?....
     
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    Here's a draft the provides some immediate help as well as stocking the cupboard for the future, not to mention adding a ton of blue collar toughness and positional versatility. 17- DE- JJ Watt 28- TE- Kyle Rudolph 33- OG- Danny Watkins 56- WR- Randall Cobb 74- LB- Brooks Reed 92- FB- Owen Marecic I'm sure a lot of people will look at pick 28 and say, what?  BB just drafted two TE's last year, but, Crumpler will be 34 at the end of next season and Aaron Hernandez is more of a flex type.  Kyle Rudolph is the complete package as a TE with the ability to play in-line, block in the run/pass game, stretch the seam and provide plays out of the slot.  BB places a lot of value in TE's, especially players that project to be solid in all facets, and this kid is a good one.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    I thought about Rudolph alot myself but i can only envision that if the Patriots are deciding to part ways with Crumpler "this" offseason. I don't see them carrying four TE's.

    Unless there is a new CBA, 18 game season and expanded rosters.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : I hear you Low....the kid you are talking about from Rice is Cheta Ozougwu. He played DE for Rice, but is probably going to be a DE to 3-4LB convert. He's 6'2", 255, so he has the right size for the position I believe, although an extra 2 inches woudl be optimal. he has decent stats for 2010 at teh DE position with 54 tackles, 3 FF, 3 sacks, 11 QB hurries.....but again, you have to question the competition that Rice plays against. I can't find any game tape on him..only an interview he did after a game... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyb76YkCa6U Where did you see anything saying the Pats spoke with him?....
    Posted by PatsLifer



    Not sure but might have been nepatriotsdraft...
     
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    mb,
     do you have a backup if watt goes before 17, ie 9 to dallas.

    sportslover21,
       very reasonable and addresses most of my needs but, i prefer a wide out instead of a slot guy (someone with height for jump balls, tough and gets out of jams at the line and with good hands through fa or draft). are you thinking we already have that guy on our team?

    thanks everyone for the posts today
     
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    brd,

    I think Price may be able to be the deep threat next year, maybe not the physical guy but the deep threat. I just don't see many impact, bigger, physical WR in the draft that would be good value for picks. We could look at Hankerson/Baldwin at 33, but I'd rather get a OT that can start for 10 years than take a risk at WR. The only WR in this class I'd bank on would be Green and I like Jones a lot, but that would require a trade up and for us to use our first pick on them.
     
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    brd, I think Price may be able to be the deep threat next year, maybe not the physical guy but the deep threat. I just don't see many impact, bigger, physical WR in the draft that would be good value for picks. We could look at Hankerson/Baldwin at 33, but I'd rather get a OT that can start for 10 years than take a risk at WR. The only WR in this class I'd bank on would be Green and I like Jones a lot, but that would require a trade up and for us to use our first pick on them.
    Posted by sportslover21

    hey sports,
        i toatlly agree i value the o lineman much much more and would use the higher pick for it. that receiver i feel we need, but near the low end of my priority list. i would still be open to the wr thbrough undrafted fa, fa, or trade.
    thanks

    cbdam/brdbreu

     
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