2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : Faucet, I tried to stick with backs that were atleast 210 and above.  As for the TE's, I'm not high on the class overall, but think Rudolph is going to be an excellent dual-threat TE down the road.  I've seen the kid play a lot and regardless of his time, he doesn't look like a 4.83 kid on the field, I'd have to guess he's closer to the 4.6+ range when completely healthy. I do agree that a TE in the later rounds is a possibility as he taken one in 8 out of 11 drafts, so it would probably make sense for me to add another mid round and/or late round kid. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Thanks for the explanation.  We need a pair of RBs, a bulldozer that can catch and a take-it-to-the-house speed guy.  Todman was given a private workout and at 4.40, he seems to be a threat to take it all the way on any given play.

    There is no question that Rudolph is the best dual threat TE in his class.  But if I look at the improvement in production from the TE position as a whole from 2009 to 2010, it is amazing.  For skill positions I still favor a stud RB or WR to another elite TE.  But there is no denying BB loves drafting the position, early and often.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    Below is my final mock until draft day, as well as a list of potential URFA’s/7th round options:

    The Mock:
     

    1A- Ryan Kerrigan or Anthony Castonzo

    1B- Danny Watkins or Muhammad Wilkerson

    2A- Randall Cobb or Kyle Rudolph

    2B- Brooks Reed or James Carpenter

    3A- Jarvis Jenkins or Clint Boling

    3B- Shane Vereen or Mason Foster

    4th- Buster Skrine or Rock Carmicheal

    5th- Mark Herzlich or Greg McElroy

    6th- Tim Barnes or Darren Evans
       

    URFA’s / 7th Rounders:

    Mike Person- OT/OG
    - Montana State- The next late round/URFA OL for Scar to develop.


    Mana Silva- S- Hawaii
    - Good size/speedcombo, 14 INT’s, 169 in career.


    Ricky Lumpkin- DL- Kentucky
    - Good size for the 5 (6-4 313).


    Jeff Tarpinian- LB- Iowa
    - Could be a stud special teamer.


    Noel Devine- LB- WVU
    - Tough kid, ultra productive, excellent speed and quicks, tiny frame (5-7 179)

    Shane Bannon- FB- Yale
    - BB loves big, tough and smart, kids.


    Karl Klug- DE/OLB- Iowa
    - Tweener with a huge motor and good program pedigree.


    Julian Vandervelde- OG- Iowa
    - Notice a theme.


    Justin Trattou- DE/OLB- Florida
    - BB loves Florida kids.


    Alex Wujciak- ILB- Maryland
    - A big thumper in the middle for their 34.


    Darrin Walls- CB- Notre Dame
    - Good combo of size, speed and COD.


    Preston Dial- TE/FB- Alabama
    - Tough kid, could provide value as FB or H-back.

    Lee Smith- TE- Marshall- Very good size, solid in-line blocker.


    Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon
    - Very good short area quicks, high character, productive against top competition.


    Kealoha Pilares- WR- Hawaii
    - Tough slot player with good speed and quicks.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    The one I just did from my new 7 round mock:

    17: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
    28: Cameron Heyward, DL, Ohio St
    33: Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
    60: Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh
    74: Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida
    92: Brandon Burton, CB, Utah
    125: Greg Romeus, OLB, Pittsburgh
    159: Brandon Fusco, C/G, Slippery Rock
    193: Stanley Havili, FB, USC

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    My latest list of players by role I could envision them playing here in NE.

    The list has not changed drastically since the early ones I posted.

    The legend for the character marker meanings is at the bottom of the list.

    The round designations following the players name is more where I personally think that players value might be at this point in time and not where they will get drafted.

    I think the Patriots will have 3 maybe 4 players on their list that if they fall to 10 or later will be willing try to go up and get. No I personally do not think Robert Quinn would be one of them.

     

    DE

    1. * Cameron Jordan (1)
    2. JJ Watt (1)
    3. Cameron Heyward + (2)
    4. Phil Taylor ^ (2)
    5. Muhammad Wilkerson (1-2)
    6. * Jarvis Jenkins (3)
    7. Lawrence Guy ^ (4)
    8. Kenrick Ellis ^ (3-4)
    9. Ricky Lumpkin (7-UDFA)
    10. Corbin Bryant (7-UDFA)

     

     

    OT

    1. * Anthony Castonzo $ (1)
    2. * Gabe Carimi + (1)
    3. Derrick Sherrod (1-2)
    4. * Orlando Franklin ^ (2-3)
    5. Marcus Gilbert (3-4)
    6. James Brewer (3-4)
    7. Jah Reid (5-6)
    8. Will Yeatman (7-UDFA)

     

    POTENTIAL ELEPHANTS

    1. Adrian Clayborn (1-2)
    2. * Allen Baily (2-3)
    3. * Cameron Jordan (1)

     

    SUB INSIDE PASS RUSHER

    1. Marvin Austin (2)
    2. * Allen Baily (2-3)
    3. * Terrell McClain (4-5)

     

     

    OG

    1. * Ben Ijalana (2)
    2. * Danny Watkins $ (1-2)
    3. * James Carpenter (3)
    4. Clint Boling (2-3)
    5. John Moffit (4)
    6. Will Rackley (4)
    7. Andrew Jackson (5-6)

     

     

    WR

    1. Torrey Smith (2)
    2. * Randall Cobb (2-3)
    3. Greg Little ^ (2-3)
    4. * Greg Salas (3-4)
    5. * Austin Pettis (3-4)
    6. Tandon Doss + (3)
    7. Dane Sanzenbacher (5-6)
    8. * Jeremy Kerley (5)
    9. * Cecil Shorts (5-6)
    10. * Lester Jean (6-7)
    11. Jeff Maehl (6)
    12. Chris Matthews (6-7)
    13. Fred Rouse (UDFA)

     

     

    OG/C

    1. * Mike Pouncey $ (1-2)
    2. Rodney Hudson (2-3)
    3. Stefen Wisniewski (2-3)
    4. Tim Barnes (4)
    5. * Brandon Fusco (5)

     

     

    RB

    1. Ryan Williams ^ (2)
    2. * Kendall Hunter + (2-3)
    3. * Daniel Thomas (3)
    4. Jordan Todman (3)
    5. Shane Vereen (3)
    6. * Roy Helu (4) 
    7. Taiwan Jones (3-4)
    8. Johnny White (5)
    9. * Alex Green (5-6)
    10. DaRel Scott (5-6)

     

     

    TE

    1. Virgil Green (4-5)
    2. Rob Housler (4)
    3. Julius Thomas (5)
    4. Andre Smith (5-6)
    5. Chris Blohm (UDFA)

     

     

    OLB

    1. * Justin Houston ^ (2)
    2. Akeem Ayers (2)
    3. Jabaal Sheard ^ (2)
    4. Brooks Reed (2-3)
    5. Sam Acho (3)
    6. * Greg Romeus + (4)
    7. Ugo Chinasa (4-5)
    8. Jeremy Beal (4-5)
    9. Ricky Elmore (4-5)
    10. Thomas Keiser (6-7)
    11. D'Andre Reed (7-UDFA)

     

     

    ILB

    1. Colin McCarthy + (4)
    2. Mason Foster (4)
    3. * Mark Herzlich + (4-5)
    4. Mike Mohamed (6)
    5. JT Thomas (6-7)
    6. Jeff Tarpinian (7-UDFA)
    7. Marc Schiechl (7-UDFA)
    8. Michael Lockley (7-UDFA)

     

     

    SUB OUTSIDE PASS RUSHER

    1. Martez Wilson (2-3)
    2. * Chris Carter (3)
    3. * Dontay Moch (3-4)
    4. * Adrian Moten (5-6)
    5. JT Thomas (6-7)

     

     

    CB

    1. Brandon Harris (2)
    2. * Johnny Patrick (2-3)
    3. Curtis Brown (2-3)
    4. Brandon Hogan ^ (4)
    5. * Buster Skrine (5)
    6. Chykie Brown (4)
    7. * Cortez Allen ^ (5)

     

     

    S

    1. Aaron Williams (2) 
    2. * Rahim Moore (2)
    3. Marcus Gilchrist (3)
    4. * Jaiqwuan Jarrett (3)
    5. Quinton Carter (4)
    6. * Joe Lefeged (4-5)
    7. Shilo Keo (6)
    8. * Mark LeGree (6-7)

     

     

    QB

    1. * Greg McElroy (5)
    2. Ricky Stanzi (4)
    3. Mike Coughlin (7-UDFA)

     

     

    IT'S GONNA COST YOU DRAFT PICKS

    1. Marcel Dareus (1)
    2. * AJ Green $ (1)
    3. Prince Amukamara (1)
    4. Julio Jones + (1)

     

     

    LEGEND

    * = personal likes

    + = medical question (injury prone or questionable longevity of repairs)

    $ = safe pick (Very high floor)

    ^ = question (as simple as cockiness, effort, instincts, or more serious like past legal troubles)

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***

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    New additions/removals in blue. Top 75:   LB: (15) Ryan Kerrigan- OLB/DE- Purdue Brooks Reed- OLB/DE- Arizona Adrian Clayborn- OLB/DE- Iowa Jabaal Sheard- OLB/DE- PIttT Thomas Keiser- OLB/DE- Stanford Ricky Elmore- OLB/DE- Arizona Greg Romeus- OLB/DE- Pitt Ryan Winterswyk- OLB/DE- Boise State Cliff Matthews- OLB/DE- South Carolina Ugo Chinasa- OLB/DE- Oklahoma State Mark Herzlich- LB- BC Mason Foster- LB- Washington Jeremy Beal- LB- Oklahoma KJ Wright- LB- Miss State Aldon Smith- OLB/DE *NEW*   DL: (12) JJ Watt- DL- Wisconsin Cameron Jordan- DL- Cal Cameron Heyward- DL- Ohio State Jarvis Jenkins- DL- Clemson Muhammad Wilkerson- DL- Temple Sione Fua- DL- Stanford Lawrence Guy- DL- Arizona State Phil Taylor- DL- Baylor Chris Neild- DL- WVU Ian Williams- DL- ND David Carter- DL- UCLA Kenrick Ellis- DL- Hampton DB: (11) Tyler Sash- S- Iowa Robert Sands- S- WVU Prince Amukamara- CB- Nebraska Buster Skrine- CB- Chattanooga Curtis Marsh- CB- Utah State Brandon Harris- CB- Miami   Ras-I Dowling- CB- Virginia Rashard Carmichael- CB- VT Marcus Gilchrist- CB/S- Clemson *NEW* Jeron Johnson- S- Boise State *NEW* Aaron Williams- CB/S- Texas *NEW*   QB: (3) Andy Dalton- QB- TCU Greg McElroy- QB- Alabama Rick Stanzi- QB- Iowa WR: (8) Randall Cobb- WR/RB/QB/KR/PR/CB- Kentucky Torrey Smith- WR- Maryland Jeremy Kerley- WR- TCU Dane Sanzenbacher- WR- Ohio State Greg Salas- WR- Hawaii Edmond Gates- WR- Abilene Christian *NEW* Dwayne Harris- WR- East Carolina *NEW* Austin Pettis- WR- Boise State *NEW* RB: (9) Shane Vereen- RB- Cal Ryan Williams- RB- VT Delone Carter- RB- Syracuse Alex Green- RB- Hawaii Mario Fannin- RB- Auburn Stevan Ridley- RB- LSU  Mark Ingram- RB- Alabama Mikel Leshoure- RB- Illinois Darren Evans- RB- VT FB: (1) Owen Marecic- FB/LB- Stanford OL: (14) Anthony Castonzo- OT- BC Gabe Carimi- OT- Wisconsin James Carpenter- OT/OG- Alabama Mike Pouncey- C/OG- Florida Stefen Wisniewski- C/OG- Penn State Tim Barnes- C- Missouri Danny Watkins- OG/OT- Baylor Stephen Schilling- OG- Michigan Julian Vandervelde- OG- Iowa Clint Boling- OG- Georgia Mike Person- OG/OT- Montana Andrew Jackson- OG- Fresno State John Moffitt- OG- Wisconsin Nate Solder- OT- Colorado *NEW* Rodney Hudson- C/OG- Florida State *NEW* TE: (1) Kyle Rudolph- TE- ND Removed: Eric Hagg- S- Nebraska *REMOVED 3/22* Ricky Henry- OG- Nebraska *REMOVED 4/4* Leonard Hankerson- WR- Miami *REMOVED 4/4* Bilal Powell- RB- Louisville *REMOVED 4/4* Ross Homan- ILB- Ohio State   *REMOVED 4/4* Kendall Hunter- RB- Oklahoma State *REMOVED 4/7* Jordan Todman- RB- Uconn *REMOVED 4/7* Chris Conte- S- Cal *Removed 4/7* Marcus Gilbert- OT- Florida *REMOVED 4/10* Will Rackley- OG- Lehigh *REMOVED 4/10* Henry Hynoski- FB/TE- Pitt *REMOVED 4/10* Sam Acho- OLB/DE- Texas *REMOVED 4/10* Dontay Moch- OLB- Nevada *REMOVED 4/10* Jeff Tarpinian- LB- Iowa *REMOVED 4/10* Quinton Carter- S- Oklahoma *REMOVED 4/10* Scott Lutrus- ILB- UConn *REMOVED 4/10* Cecil Shorts- WR- Mount Union *REMOVED 4/14* Mana Silva- S- Hawaii- *REMOVED 4/23* Shiloh Keo- S- Idaho- *REMOVED 4/23* Johnny Patrick- CB- Louisville- *REMOVED 4/23* Kelvin Sheppard- ILB- LSU- *REMOVED 4/23* Alex Wujciak- ILB- Maryland- *REMOVED 4/23* Derek Sherrod- OT- Miss State- *REMOVED 4/23* Chimdi Chekwa- CB- Ohio State- *REMOVED 4/23* Aldrick Robinson- WR- SMU *REMOVED 4/23* Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon *REMOVED 4/23*
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    hey mb,
    how goes it?
    it'd be great if with your additions and deletions you had something of why you were deleting or adding them.
    thanks.

    the curious
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***

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    Okay, I took some heat for not doing more for a pass rush.  For the record I don't think it matters who we take at OLB, I doubt they will have much success their first year.  It usually takes time for conversion players to not only work their way into the line up as a stand up 34, but it usually takes even longer to start having success.  There have only been a handful, like 5 guys, who've been drafted since 2006 to put up 10 sacks their first year as 34 conversion type OLBs.  We need a little luck for Watt and Reed to be there where I took them, that's why I didn't mock them last time.  The only trade I made was 28 to SD for 50/61.  SD wants Heyward.  I assume Light gets an extension for 1-2 years.  I made no trades into future drafts because of the uncertainty of having drafts in the future.  So, we load up now with 10 picks making the team.  To make room, I cut Slater, Butler and Stroud.  We are still over budget by 1 on offense and 1 on defense.  If Wisniewski or someone else can long snap, we could save a spot.  Otherwise 2 players will have to start out on PUP which always happens. I've added a boat load of speed at RB.  I have a man crush on Mario Fanin.  The man is a full back with elite WR speed and comes out of the SEC with low wear.  He has excellent hands and would be great on 3rd down as a blocker/pass catcher and on short yardage.  Hunter is a more physical version of Woodhead but not as fast.  Both backs compliment.  Tyrod Taylor I'm looking to convert to WR or RB.  At 6-1, 217, 4.47 he has great size and as a QB, great knowledge of offenses.  He provides depth at QB.  The cool thing is we can now dress Hoyer as our emergency QB without him counting against the 45.  This way Tyrod can take the field and if Brady gets hurt, Tyrod hands the ball off once and limps off the field and on comes Hoyer - just a little advantage. I took 3 OL types, late 2nd to 3rd round in keeping with BB's normal philosophy.  All three will see action and be ready to start in 2012.  Lastly, Brooks Reed is used situationally as a pass rusher this year and takes over for Ninkovich in 2012. Current 2011 Patriots - Projection OFFENSE 26 Players Slot 30 Welker '11 25 Edelman '12   WR 32 Branch '11 50 Randall Cobb   LOT 33 Matt Light ? 29 LeVoir '11   LG 29 Mankins '11 25 Wendell '10   C 31 Koppen '11 92 John Moffitt   ROG 29 Connolly '11 60 S Wisniewski   ROT 27 Vollmer '12 61 O Franklin   TE 22 Gronkowski '13 21 Hernandez '13 33 Crumpler '11 QB 34 Tom Brady '14 25 Hoyer '11 193 T Taylor RB 26 Green-Ellis '10 159 Mario Fanin   26 Woodhead '12 74 Kendall Hunter   WR 23 B Tate '12 23 Price '13           DEFENSE 26 Players DE   30 T Warren '13 25 Pryor '12   NT 29 Wilfork '14 24 Brace '12 25 Love '12 DE 17 JJ Watt 29 Wright '12 24 Deaderick '13 OLB 23 Cunningham '13 31 Banta-Cain '12 30 Moore '11 ILB 25 Mayo '12 25 Fletcher '12   ILB 24 B Spikes '13 25 Guyton '11   OLB 27 Ninkovich '11 33 Brooks Reed   LCB 24 McCourty '14 27 Wilhite '11   RCB 30 Bodden '13 25 Arrington '10 125 B Skrine SS 24 Chung '12 26 Page '12   FS 27 Meriweather '11 27 Sanders '11     SPECIAL TEAMS 2 PK 27 Gostkowski '14     P 25 Z. Mesko '13     LS TBD    
    Posted by Faucetman


    happy easter back at ya!

    like it for the most part.

    want one of watt, jordan, heyward

    but reed, dont know that i trust he could be what quinn kerrrigan or smith can and i would prefer one of them.

    you dont like taking a shot at romeus?
     
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    Okay, I took some heat for not doing more for a pass rush.  For the record I don't think it matters who we take at OLB, I doubt they will have much success their first year.  It usually takes time for conversion players to not only work their way into the line up as a stand up 34, but it usually takes even longer to start having success.  There have only been a handful, like 5 guys, who've been drafted since 2006 to put up 10 sacks their first year as 34 conversion type OLBs.  We need a little luck for Watt and Reed to be there where I took them, that's why I didn't mock them last time.  The only trade I made was 28 to SD for 50/61.  SD wants Heyward.  I assume Light gets an extension for 1-2 years.  I made no trades into future drafts because of the uncertainty of having drafts in the future.  So, we load up now with 10 picks making the team.  To make room, I cut Slater, Butler and Stroud.  We are still over budget by 1 on offense and 1 on defense.  If Wisniewski or someone else can long snap, we could save a spot.  Otherwise 2 players will have to start out on PUP which always happens. I've added a boat load of speed at RB.  I have a man crush on Mario Fanin.  The man is a full back with elite WR speed and comes out of the SEC with low wear.  He has excellent hands and would be great on 3rd down as a blocker/pass catcher and on short yardage.  Hunter is a more physical version of Woodhead but not as fast.  Both backs compliment.  Tyrod Taylor I'm looking to convert to WR or RB.  At 6-1, 217, 4.47 he has great size and as a QB, great knowledge of offenses.  He provides depth at QB.  The cool thing is we can now dress Hoyer as our emergency QB without him counting against the 45.  This way Tyrod can take the field and if Brady gets hurt, Tyrod hands the ball off once and limps off the field and on comes Hoyer - just a little advantage. I took 3 OL types, late 2nd to 3rd round in keeping with BB's normal philosophy.  All three will see action and be ready to start in 2012.  Lastly, Brooks Reed is used situationally as a pass rusher this year and takes over for Ninkovich in 2012. Current 2011 Patriots - Projection OFFENSE 26 Players Slot 30 Welker '11 25 Edelman '12   WR 32 Branch '11 50 Randall Cobb   LOT 33 Matt Light ? 29 LeVoir '11   LG 29 Mankins '11 25 Wendell '10   C 31 Koppen '11 92 John Moffitt   ROG 29 Connolly '11 60 S Wisniewski   ROT 27 Vollmer '12 61 O Franklin   TE 22 Gronkowski '13 21 Hernandez '13 33 Crumpler '11 QB 34 Tom Brady '14 25 Hoyer '11 193 T Taylor RB 26 Green-Ellis '10 159 Mario Fanin   26 Woodhead '12 74 Kendall Hunter   WR 23 B Tate '12 23 Price '13           DEFENSE 26 Players DE   30 T Warren '13 25 Pryor '12   NT 29 Wilfork '14 24 Brace '12 25 Love '12 DE 17 JJ Watt 29 Wright '12 24 Deaderick '13 OLB 23 Cunningham '13 31 Banta-Cain '12 30 Moore '11 ILB 25 Mayo '12 25 Fletcher '12   ILB 24 B Spikes '13 25 Guyton '11   OLB 27 Ninkovich '11 33 Brooks Reed   LCB 24 McCourty '14 27 Wilhite '11   RCB 30 Bodden '13 25 Arrington '10 125 B Skrine SS 24 Chung '12 26 Page '12   FS 27 Meriweather '11 27 Sanders '11     SPECIAL TEAMS 2 PK 27 Gostkowski '14     P 25 Z. Mesko '13     LS TBD    
    Posted by Faucetman


    hey faucet,

    re: "Okay, I took some heat for not doing more for a pass rush. "

    sorry for being the one to bring the heat.


    "For the record I don't think it matters who we take at OLB, I doubt they will have much success their first year.  It usually takes time for conversion players to not only work their way into the line up as a stand up 34, but it usually takes even longer to start having success."

    even more reason to get him(olb stud) this year! (along with having the picks, and high enough to reach up and do something). the sooner the better. brady wont begreat forever!
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : Army, I feel like with Bodden and Warren coming back and the young players having another year under their belt that the D will already be improved.  If we have a chance to draft Watt or Jordan at 17, I think I would as either I believe could step in and start over Deaderick/Wright.  Both guys have elite speed and physical skill set and character to make an immediate impact. But when it comes to a pass rusher from the second level I don't think any of the ones in range will start right away.  With a shortened preseason there just isn't time for a Kerrigan, Smith or Reed to digest the playbook and learn the responsibilities for dropping back, covering the TE or RB, setting the edge on running plays from a stand up, off the line position with different guys coming at them to block them from what they are used to as a hand-in-the-dirt 43 DE.  They won't just have an OT or occasional TE to deal with, they will have pulling guards and RBs coming at them from different angles.  Can these DE conversion types rush and learn to do the other things needed to beat out an improving Ninkovich or Cunningham?  In time yes, but not right away, certainly not in the first half of the season. Off to the Sox/Angels game, looking for the 4 game sweep, Go SOX!! Could be my last post until just hours before the draft.  Not ignoring anyone, going to Vegas for a trade show and getting back just before the Panthers go on the clock and make complete fools of themselves by drafting the next DeMarcus Russell/Vince Young.  I predicted it after the BCS Champ game, Newton will go #1 overall.
    Posted by Faucetman



    "But when it comes to a pass rusher from the second level I don't think any of the ones in range will start right away.  With a shortened preseason there just isn't time for a Kerrigan, Smith or Reed to digest the playbook and learn the responsibilities for dropping back, covering the TE or RB, setting the edge on running plays from a stand up, off the line position with different guys coming at them to block them from what they are used to as a hand-in-the-dirt 43 DE.  They won't just have an OT or occasional TE to deal with, they will have pulling guards and RBs coming at them from different angles.  Can these DE conversion types rush and learn to do the other things needed to beat out an improving Ninkovich or Cunningham?  In time yes, but not right away, certainly not in the first half of the season."

    exactly why we need to get them now. they can help come playoffs and the next 3 years. when do you think we'll next be in position to land an aldon smith and a kerrigan? the time is now!
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : Army, I feel like with Bodden and Warren coming back and the young players having another year under their belt that the D will already be improved.  If we have a chance to draft Watt or Jordan at 17, I think I would as either I believe could step in and start over Deaderick/Wright.  Both guys have elite speed and physical skill set and character to make an immediate impact. But when it comes to a pass rusher from the second level I don't think any of the ones in range will start right away.  With a shortened preseason there just isn't time for a Kerrigan, Smith or Reed to digest the playbook and learn the responsibilities for dropping back, covering the TE or RB, setting the edge on running plays from a stand up, off the line position with different guys coming at them to block them from what they are used to as a hand-in-the-dirt 43 DE.  They won't just have an OT or occasional TE to deal with, they will have pulling guards and RBs coming at them from different angles.  Can these DE conversion types rush and learn to do the other things needed to beat out an improving Ninkovich or Cunningham?  In time yes, but not right away, certainly not in the first half of the season. Off to the Sox/Angels game, looking for the 4 game sweep, Go SOX!! Could be my last post until just hours before the draft.  Not ignoring anyone, going to Vegas for a trade show and getting back just before the Panthers go on the clock and make complete fools of themselves by drafting the next DeMarcus Russell/Vince Young.  I predicted it after the BCS Champ game, Newton will go #1 overall.
    Posted by Faucetman



    "Off to the Sox/Angels game, looking for the 4 game sweep, Go SOX!!

    Could be my last post until just hours before the draft.  Not ignoring anyone, going to Vegas for a trade show and getting back just before the Panthers go on the clock and make complete fools of themselves by drafting the next DeMarcus Russell/Vince Young.  I predicted it after the BCS Champ game, Newton will go #1 overall."

    have a good show!

    who would have thought our pitching is coming around, omg.

    yeah! lets hope theres a first round rush and 5 qb's taken in the first!
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    Below is my final mock until draft day, as well as a list of potential URFA’s/7th round options: The Mock:   1A- Ryan Kerrigan or Anthony Castonzo 1B- Danny Watkins or Muhammad Wilkerson 2A- Randall Cobb or Kyle Rudolph 2B- Brooks Reed or James Carpenter 3A- Jarvis Jenkins or Clint Boling 3B- Shane Vereen or Mason Foster 4th- Buster Skrine or Rock Carmicheal 5th- Mark Herzlich or Greg McElroy 6 th - Tim Barnes or Darren Evans       URFA’s / 7th Rounders: Mike Person- OT/OG - Montana State - The next late round/URFA OL for Scar to develop. Mana Silva- S- Hawaii - Good size/speedcombo, 14 INT’s, 169 in career. Ricky Lumpkin- DL- Kentucky - Good size for the 5 (6-4 313). Jeff Tarpinian- LB- Iowa - Could be a stud special teamer. Noel Devine- LB- WVU - Tough kid, ultra productive, excellent speed and quicks, tiny frame (5-7 179) Shane Bannon- FB- Yale - BB loves big, tough and smart, kids. Karl Klug- DE/OLB- Iowa - Tweener with a huge motor and good program pedigree. Julian Vandervelde- OG- Iowa - Notice a theme. Justin Trattou- DE/OLB- Florida - BB loves Florida kids. Alex Wujciak- ILB- Maryland - A big thumper in the middle for their 34. Darrin Walls- CB- Notre Dame - Good combo of size, speed and COD. Preston Dial- TE/FB- Alabama - Tough kid, could provide value as FB or H-back. Lee Smith- TE- Marshall - Very good size, solid in-line blocker. Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon - Very good short area quicks, high character, productive against top competition. Kealoha Pilares- WR- Hawaii - Tough slot player with good speed and quicks.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    This is a great thread you have going here mbeaulieu07, I've been following it's progress for a while. It's cool seeing how interested all of Patriot's nation is in our team and the annual NFL draft, like myself. I guess I'm not the only draft nerd afterall. I like your draft scenario of 1A www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/ryan-kerrigan-scouting-report.html">Ryan Kerrigan and 1B www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/muhammad-wilkerson-scouting-report.html">Muhammad Wilkerson, If this happens I will definitely be celebrating Thursday night! But as I go over countless mock drafts I don't see www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/muhammad-wilkerson-scouting-report.html">Muhammad Wilkerson slipping to us that late in the 1st round. I actually think he might go before pick 17 as well. I do see www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/ryan-kerrigan-scouting-report.html">Ryan Kerrigan being there and I think he's a can't miss player at 17, I think his size is fine for OLB and he has great speed off of the edge. Some draft experts are saying BB will take www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/prince-amukamara-scouting-report.html">Prince Amukamarahere at 17, this would not shock me as BB will take the best talent at 17 he feels is there. I think it depends on who falls to 17, there are certain stud DL that could be there that are NFL ready and the Pat's are in need of a passrushing DE that can play either the 4-3 or 3-4 as BB is known to switch it up at times even though I think the 3-4 is our base D. I think BB will try to get one of the following DL's if they drop to our pick: 1.www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/marcel-dareus-scouting-report.html">Marcell Dareus 2.k Fairley 3.www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/daquan-bowers-scouting-report.html">Da’Quan Bowers 4.www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/04/robert-quinn-scouting-report.html">Robert Quinn 5.www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/jj-watt-scouting-report.html">JJ Watt 6.www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/muhammad-wilkerson-scouting-report.html">Muhammad Wilkerson I think only Watt could be available here and I think BB will take Watt if he's there, if none of them are there he will take Prince Amukamara, If Prince is gone I think he'll take Ryan Kerrigan--I would be happy with any of these pick's as I feel merriweather has a short shelf life as a Patriot and will need to be replaced at some point. If we do end up with Kerrigan at the 1st pick, I feel like your right about pick 1B being an OL, there's some nice value at pick 28 with either 1.Anthony Castonzo 2.Gabe Carimi and even 3.Pouncey 4. Nat solder  and 5.Tyron Smith any one of these fine prospects would be nice. So my ideal 1A Kerrigan and 1B Castonzo would be a sweet day 1 of the draft which potentially might happen. There are several other players that could drop to pick 17 which I could see BB taking that I didn't mention:1.Aldon Smith2.Adrian Clayborn at pick 28 there should still be some good DL prospects available 1.Cam Heyward 2.Cameron Jordan and even 3.www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/07/phil-taylor-scouting-report.html">Phil Taylor whose a beast nose guard from Baylor. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a corner like www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/brandon-harris-scouting-report.html">Brandon Harris from Miami or the very talented www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/10/jimmy-smith-scouting-report.html">Jimmy Smith from Colorado get snatched up here if there available and I would be happy to have one of them--you can never have enough secondary help. Again, great thread--your insight is appreciated.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : hey mb, how goes it? it'd be great if with your additions and deletions you had something of why you were deleting or adding them. thanks. the curious
    Posted by brdbreu


    Things are good man, almost draft day!

    Sure, below is my thinking around the most recent changes.

    For players that were added:

    Smith has the obvious upside and couple provide an immediate jolt to the pass rush.

    Gilchrist and Williams represent a lot of positional versatility while Johnson looks like a physical mid-late round kid that could bring leadership and toughness.

    Gates is a bigger than Robinson and also offers the deep speed, Harris is a good sized, high character kid with some good versatlity and RAC ability and Pettis is a big kid with great hands that could provide immediate value as a possession receiver and in the red-zone.

    Solder is the big, long and athletic kid that Scar could turn into an All-Pro player while Hudson is a kid that I'm really on the fence with.  He looks like a smart, high character kid with good technique and versatilty, but I've seen it reported that his playing weight was around 275, at the direction of Rick Trickett (info courtesy of Pro Football Weekly), so there are questions about his ability to maintain and play with the 299 weight and be strong enough at the POA at the NFL level.

    Aldon Smith- OLB/DE *NEW*
    Marcus Gilchrist- CB/S- Clemson *NEW*
    Jeron Johnson- S- Boise State *NEW*
    Aaron Williams- CB/S- Texas *NEW* 
    Edmond Gates- WR- Abilene Christian *NEW*
    Dwayne Harris- WR- East Carolina *NEW*
    Austin Pettis- WR- Boise State *NEW*

    Nate Solder- OT- Colorado *NEW*
    Rodney Hudson- C/OG- Florida State *NEW*


    For the players that were removed:

    Silva and Keo are kids that interest me, I just think there are better options on the board. 

    Patrick projects as a solid zone CB, but there are character questions and the 4.59 isn't ideal.

    Sheppard doesn't appear to be as physical as his size (6-2 250) would indicate and Wujciak is probably a URFA and projects as a 2 down player at the NFL level.

    I just prefer Castonzo, Carimi or Solder in the first couple rounds, but Sherrod is a kid that could be added back to the mix.  The draft is top heavy in OT, IMO.

    Chekwa is an experienced kid that probably projects better as a man CB.

    Robinson is a kid that I like from a speed perspective, but has also had his character questioned.

    Maehl is another kid that I like a lot, but though there were kids with a higher upside that should be on the list.  I like him as a Rd 7 - URFA type.


    Mana Silva- S- Hawaii- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Shiloh Keo- S- Idaho- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Johnny Patrick- CB- Louisville- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Kelvin Sheppard- ILB- LSU- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Alex Wujciak- ILB- Maryland- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Derek Sherrod- OT- Miss State- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Chimdi Chekwa- CB- Ohio State- *REMOVED 4/23*
    Aldrick Robinson- WR- SMU *REMOVED 4/23*
    Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon *REMOVED 4/23*




     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    Hope you are all up for one last live draft.

    I'm going A.J. Green for Carolina.  Panthers have to know they will probably pick 1st next season.  Who do you rather have, Newton/Gabbert or Andrew "freakin'" Luck?  I roll the dice on landing #1 next season, worst case they take a QB next season who's similar skills to Gabbert.  Let Green learn the O for a year and help Luck have a smooth transition as day one starter.

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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : This is a great thread you have going here mbeaulieu07, I've been following it's progress for a while. It's cool seeing how interested all of Patriot's nation is in our team and the annual NFL draft, like myself. I guess I'm not the only draft nerd afterall. I like your draft scenario of 1A www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/ryan-kerrigan-scouting-report.html " /> Ryan Kerrigan and 1B www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/muhammad-wilkerson-scouting-report.html "> Muhammad Wilkerson , If this happens I will definitely be celebrating Thursday night! But as I go over countless mock drafts I don't see www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/muhammad-wilkerson-scouting-report.html "> Muhammad Wilkerson  slipping to us that late in the 1st round. I actually think he might go before pick 17 as well. I do see www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/ryan-kerrigan-scouting-report.html "> Ryan Kerrigan being there and I think he's a can't miss player at 17, I think his size is fine for OLB and he has great speed off of the edge. Some draft experts are saying BB will take www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/prince-amukamara-scouting-report.html "> Prince Amukamara here at 17, this would not shock me as BB will take the best talent at 17 he feels is there. I think it depends on who falls to 17, there are certain stud DL that could be there that are NFL ready and the Pat's are in need of a passrushing DE that can play either the 4-3 or 3-4 as BB is known to switch it up at times even though I think the 3-4 is our base D. I think BB will try to get one of the following DL's if they drop to our pick: 1. www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/marcel-dareus-scouting-report.html "> Marcell Dareus  2. k Fairley 3. www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/daquan-bowers-scouting-report.html "> Da’Quan Bowers  4. www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/04/robert-quinn-scouting-report.html "> Robert Quinn  5. www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/jj-watt-scouting-report.html "> JJ Watt  6. www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/muhammad-wilkerson-scouting-report.html "> Muhammad Wilkerson  I think only Watt could be available here and I think BB will take Watt if he's there, if none of them are there he will take Prince Amukamara, If Prince is gone I think he'll take Ryan Kerrigan--I would be happy with any of these pick's as I feel merriweather has a short shelf life as a Patriot and will need to be replaced at some point. If we do end up with Kerrigan at the 1st pick, I feel like your right about pick 1B being an OL, there's some nice value at pick 28 with either 1.Anthony Castonzo 2.Gabe Carimi and even 3.Pouncey 4. Nat solder  and 5.Tyron Smith any one of these fine prospects would be nice. So my ideal 1A Kerrigan and 1B Castonzo would be a sweet day 1 of the draft which potentially might happen. There are several other players that could drop to pick 17 which I could see BB taking that I didn't mention:1.Aldon Smith2.Adrian Clayborn at pick 28 there should still be some good DL prospects available 1.Cam Heyward 2.Cameron Jordan and even 3. www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/07/phil-taylor-scouting-report.html "> Phil Taylor  whose a beast nose guard from Baylor. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a corner like www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/brandon-harris-scouting-report.html "> Brandon Harris  from Miami or the very talented www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/10/jimmy-smith-scouting-report.html "> Jimmy Smith  from Colorado get snatched up here if there available and I would be happy to have one of them--you can never have enough secondary help. Again, great thread--your insight is appreciated.
    Posted by TeddyBruski54


    TB,
    Thanks, it's been a lot of fun!

    I went with an A/B option in each of the first 3 rounds because I don't really know where they'll be picking come draft weekend.  I did this in order to project players that I think would be the best fits in those ranges. 

    It's good to look at other mocks, but at the end of the day, I have to go off of my own gut feel on where I think a player will be selected and I can guarantee you, I will be wrong on more than a few, ha.

    IMO, if Amukamara is available at 17, he's the easy choice.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    Hope you are all up for one last live draft. I'm going A.J. Green for Carolina.  Panthers have to know they will probably pick 1st next season.  Who do you rather have, Newton/Gabbert or Andrew "freakin'" Luck?  I roll the dice on landing #1 next season, worst case they take a QB next season who's similar skills to Gabbert.  Let Green learn the O for a year and help Luck have a smooth transition as day one starter. 1st Round Assnd Pick Assnd Team Traded Picks Team Selecting Player Position Posted By 1 Car  None  Car  A.J. Green  WR  pats7393 2 Den           3 Buf           4 Cin           5 Ari           6 Cle           7 SF           8 Ten           9 Dal           10 Was           11 Hou           12 Min           13 Det           14 StL           15 Mia           16 Jac           17 NE           18 SD           19 NYG           20 TB           21 KC           22 Ind           23 Phi           24 NO           25 Sea           26 Bal           27 Atl           28 NE           29 Chi           30 NYJ           31 Pit           32 GB          
    Posted by Pats7393



    I think it's a good idea to have one more, though I think we should keep it to 1-33.

    Personally, I think Carolina would be taking a huge risk with Green over a QB or defender.  Green looks to have all the talent in the world, but if you identify Newton or Gabbert as a potential franchise guy, you don't pass on him in hopes that Andew Luck lands in your lap, there's just too much risk involved.

    With that being said, I'm giving Denver potentially the best player in the draft at #2 as they need help everywhere:

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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    mb I added your pick and took it to 33.

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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    mb I added your pick and took it to 33. 1st Round Assnd Pick Assnd Team Traded Picks Team Selecting Player Position Posted By 1 Car none Car A.J. Green WR pats7393 2 Den none Den Patrick Peterson CB mbeaulieu07 3 Buf           4 Cin           5 Ari           6 Cle           7 SF           8 Ten           9 Dal           10 Was           11 Hou           12 Min           13 Det           14 StL           15 Mia           16 Jac           17 NE           18 SD           19 NYG           20 TB           21 KC           22 Ind           23 Phi           24 NO           25 Sea           26 Bal           27 Atl           28 NE           29 Chi           30 NYJ           31 Pit           32 GB           33 GB          
    Posted by Pats7393


    Nice!  I revised to add NE at 33.

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : I think it's a good idea to have one more, though I think we should keep it to 1-33. Personally, I think Carolina would be taking a huge risk with Green over a QB or defender.  Green looks to have all the talent in the world, but if you identify Newton or Gabbert as a potential franchise guy, you don't pass on him in hopes that Andew Luck lands in your lap, there's just too much risk involved. With that being said, I'm giving Denver potentially the best player in the draft at #2 as they need help everywhere: 1st Round Assnd Pick Assnd Team Traded Picks Team Selecting Player Position Posted By 1 Car  None  Car  A.J. Green  WR  pats7393 2 Den None  Den Patrick Peterson CB mbeaulieu07 3 Buf           4 Cin           5 Ari           6 Cle           7 SF           8 Ten           9 Dal           10 Was           11 Hou           12 Min           13 Det           14 StL           15 Mia           16 Jac           17 NE           18 SD           19 NYG           20 TB           21 KC           22 Ind           23 Phi           24 NO           25 Sea           26 Bal           27 Atl           28 NE           29 Chi           30 NYJ           31 Pit           32 GB          
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    I might be higher on Green than most, seem him play and I can tell you this guy will be a very good player.  Could make Clausen look like an actual NFL QB.

    I hear what you are saying about Luck, but I put it like this if you could get right now today Matt Hasselback or wait a year have a 1 in 2 chance to get Tom Brady which do you take? If i throw in you can get a Matt Hasselback still next year if your 50/50 shot doesn't work out?

    Not saying Gabbert or Newton will not turn out to be Joe Montana or Tom Brady but as QBs coming out Luck is not even close.  If he came out this season, there wouldn't be question one who the 1st pick would be.  Maybe teams like Arz giving all their picks to move to #1.

    Big gamble but with Luck who's described as a player who comes around once every 10 years I take that gamble every time but that's just me.

    Carolina's schedule is brutal, I think they could actually go 0-16.

    At Cards
    vs GB
    vs Jax
    at Bears
    vs NO
    at Atl
    vs Skins
    vs Min
    bye
    vs Ten
    at Lions (not the same 0-16 lions)
    at Colts
    at Bucs
    vs Atl
    at Texans
    vs Bucs
    at NO

    Maybe 2-14 but don't give them better than that.
     
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    From my understanding it's either Newton or Miller. If Car doesn't take Newton Buf certainly will

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    Most know this but a look (Insider) of the AFC East needs going into the draft.


    Buffalo Bills



    Top needs:
    1. Defensive line: This was the worst run defense in the league in 2010, and help is needed all along this line. Nose tackle Kyle Williams is the only really productive player, and Bills' other guys are aging. They also really need to develop a young defensive end.


    2. Outside linebacker: Aaron Maybin looks like a possible bust as a 3-4 edge rusher. Young Arthur Moats and veteran Shawne Merriman can't be counted on, and it is hard to imagine where the pass rush is coming from with the exception of the motor of Chris Kelsay.


    3. Quarterback: Ryan Fitzpatrick shows flashes of excellent play, but on a good team, he probably should be a quality backup. With so many other holes to fill on this roster, the coaches might live with Fitzpatrick another year. He isn't a franchise QB, but he's good enough to win games if other players are doing their own jobs effectively.


    4. Left offensive tackle: Demetrius Bell was adequate in 2010, but the Bills have passed on a lot of premier offensive tackles in recent years and it has hurt them in pass protection and run blocking. Could he move to right tackle if Buffalo finds a player for the left side? The Bills must do a better job of protecting the edges.


    5. Tight end: In an era of tight ends who are productive in the passing game, the Bills have virtually no production in this area. They do not have a TE who can stretch the defense and move the chains on third down. They can't continue to ignore this position.


    6. Strong safety: Donte Whitner is a terrific player, and he is coming off a 140-tackle year in 2010. However, he wants big money and could easily leave in free agency. They might need to find a solid player in the deep middle of the field with good cover skills.




    Miami Dolphins



    Top needs:
    1. Running back: Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown are aging; both are free agents; and the drop-off at this position was dramatic in 2010 -- this offense had only five rushing plays of 20 or more yards. With an unstable QB position, the Dolphins need more out of their run game, and a young No. 1 back is the answer.


    2. Quarterback: Chad Henne has been given a lot of chances, but he doesn't show any consistency and the Dolphins might have to start over at QB. The coaches seem to like Tyler Thigpen, but he is not the long-term answer. This is a veteran team that thinks it can win now, so it could look in free agency instead of the draft for a QB.


    3. Guard/center: Richie Incognito is a solid guard, but although he could move to center and replace Joe Berger, he is a free agent who might not come back. John Jerry was bothered by injuries in 2010 and is still developing. All three interior positions could look different in 2011.


    4. Safety: This is a decent defense, but offenses absolutely destroy them in the deep middle of the field, especially free safety Chris Clemons, in coverage. There is a big need for a player who can help the back end of this defense in both run support and pass coverage.


    5. Wide receiver: Brian Hartline is improving and Davone Bess is productive, but Brandon Marshall is their one big-time player. A speed receiver who could take some coverage away from Marshall is needed.

    6. Tight end: Anthony Fasano is a steady possession guy, but he doesn't really stretch defenses. They have three young guys who rotate, but none of them is a real receiving threat. Finding a guy who can attack the seams and flex to get good speed matchups would really help.





    New England Patriots



    Top needs:
    1. Outside linebacker: This defense puts virtually no pressure on opposing QBs, and the Patriots get nothing off the edge from their 3-4 pass-rush OLBs. Tully Banta-Cain and Rob Ninkovich are sound but aren't big playmakers, and the only developmental guy New England has is Jermaine Cunningham. The Pats need an impact guy who can generate pressure.


    2. Guard: Logan Mankins was a holdout for a good portion of the season and now has the franchise tag, but he might not be around for long and Stephen Neal has retired. This team has gotten by for years with an adequate O-line and a great QB behind it. It is time to revamp the left side of this unit and protect Tom Brady's backside.


    3. Offensive tackle: Left tackle Matt Light is an aging 11th-year veteran and a free agent. Although he is steady and smart, Brady gets hit too much from his blind side, even if the Pats' quick-throw passing game masks some of his weaknesses. Sebastian Vollmer is adequate on the right side, but it is time for a premier athletic guy to get ready to replace Light, or perhaps Volmer could move to the left side.


    4. Defensive end: Ty Warren has health issues; Gerard Warren is a free agent; and Ron Brace has not progressed as quickly as expected. The Pats did recently sign aging Marcus Stroud, but how much does he have left? This group is decent at stopping the run, but New England doesn't generate much of a pass rush.

    5. Wide receiver: Even though this is a prolific and productive pass offense, sometimes it's doing it with smoke and mirrors. The Pats use their tight ends well and have solid slot receivers, but without Randy Moss, they don't have that big-play speed receiver who can stretch the defense. It could turn out to be Brandon Tate or Taylor Price, but with so many spread sets, they can always use another WR.


    6. Running back: Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris and Fred Taylor are near the end of their careers, but the Pats did get unexpected production in 2010 from Danny Woodhead and BenJarvus Green-Ellis. Woodhead can give them Faulk's receiving production, but as the Pats try to run the ball more, they will need a workhorse back to carry the load.




    New York Jets



    Top needs:
    1. Outside linebacker: This defense depends on a strong edge pass rush out of the 3-4 scheme, and it didn't get that in 2010. Veterans Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas are adequate but not explosive, and Jason Taylor is gone. They get by because Rex Ryan disguises this weakness with tons of blitzes. The Jets could use two young, athletic players at the position.


    2. Defensive end: Shaun Ellis has been a good player, but he is 33 years old and likely will not return. Mike DeVito plays hard but doesn't offer much of a pass rush; former first-round pick Vernon Gholston was a huge bust; and Trevor Pryce is a short-term stopgap veteran. The Jets need a 3-4 run stopper who can hold up at the point of attack.


    3. Offensive tackle: RT Damien Woody started to struggle physically in 2010 and was released, and there is no guarantee that Vladimir Ducasse is the long-term answer, although it is possible. Wayne Hunter is a nice reserve to have, but not the answer.


    4. Nose tackle: Kris Jenkins is no longer on this team, and although his replacement often got hurt, Sione Pouha played surprisingly well. However, he might not be the long-term answer and there is marginal depth behind him. The Jets need an inside penetrator who can collapse the pocket.


    5. Wide receiver: On paper, this position "looks" solid, but Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes and Brad Smith are free agents and New York can't afford to pay them all. This offense loves multi-receiver sets, and Mark Sanchez could use a young guy to grow with. This position likely will have a much different look in 2011, although the Jets do like their young guy, 6-foot-5 Patrick Turner.


    6. Safety: Injuries really affected this position in 2010, with Brodney Pool going down early and Jim Leonhard and Eric Smith going down late. Pool is a free agent, and Leonhard needs to recover from his broken leg. This is a depth need to help in all of the Jets' sub packages.

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    Here’s my personal Top 32, ranked in order of where I think they’ll come off the board.

     Rd 1:

    1.       Julio Jones- WR- Alabama

    2.       Prince Amukamara- CB- Nebraska

    3.       JJ Watt- DL- Wisconsin

    4.       Cameron Jordan- DL- Cal

    5.       Anthony Castonzo- OT- BC

    6.       Ryan Kerrigan- OLB/DE- Purdue

    7.       Mike Pouncey- OG/C- Florida

    8.       Gabe Carimi- OT/OG- Wisconsin

    9.       Phil Taylor- DT/DE- Baylor

    10.   Adrian Clayborn- DE/OLB- Iowa

    11.   Mark Ingram- RB- Alabama

    12.   Muhammad Wilkerson- DT/DE- Temple

    13.   Danny Watkins- OT/OG- Baylor

    14.   Cameron Heyward- DT/DE- Ohio State

    Rd 2:

    15.   Kyle Rudolph- TE- ND

    16.   Mike Leshoure- RB- Illinois

    17.   Randall Cobb- WR/RB/QB/KR/PR/CB- Kentucky

    18.   Aaron Williams- CB/S- Texas

    19.   Jabaal Sheard- OLB/DE- Pitt

    20.   Brooks Reed- OLB- Arizona

    21.   Andy Dalton- QB- TCU

    22.   James Carpenter- OT/OG- Alabama

    Rd 3:

    23.   Jarvis Jenkins- DT/DE- Clemson

    24.   Shane Vereen- RB- Cal

    25.   Mason Foster- LB- Washington

    Rd 4-7:

    26.   Buster Skrine- CB- UT Chattanooga

    27.   Rock Carmicheal- CB- VT

    28.   Greg Romeus- OLB/DE- Pitt

    29.   Ricky Elmore- OLB/DE- Arizona

    30.   Mark Herzlich- LB- BC

    31.   Jeremy Beal- LB- BC

    32.   Owen Marecic- FB/LB- Stanford

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    1st Round
    Assnd PickAssnd TeamTraded PicksTeam SelectingPlayerPositionPosted By
    1CarnoneCarA.J. GreenWRpats7393
    2DennoneDenPatrick PetersonCBmbeaulieu07
    3Buf none Buf Cam NewtonQB PatsEng 
    4Cin none Cin Julio Jones
     WR KyleCleric
    5Ari     
    6Cle     
    7SF     
    8Ten     
    9Dal     
    10Was     
    11Hou     
    12Min     
    13Det     
    14StL     
    15Mia     
    16Jac     
    17NE     
    18SD     
    19NYG     
    20TB     
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    22Ind     
    23Phi     
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    25Sea     
    26Bal     
    27Atl     
    28NE     
    29Chi     
    30NYJ     
    31Pit     
    32GB     
    33GB     
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    why do you like an Owen Marecic for the Pats as opposed to Stanley Havili, Charles Clay, and Henry Hynoski?
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    THE BLEACHER REPORT has the following: 17 trade to Baltimore for 26 and 58. With 26 and 28 Pats select Cam Heyward DE and Dan Watkins OG. 33 is traded for 2012 1st. At 58, 60 and 74, Pats select Jabaal Sheard OLB, James Carpenter OT and DeMarco Murray RB. 92 is traded for 2012 2nd. At 125, 159 and 193 Pats select Jaiquawn Jarrett FS, Chris Matthews WR and Craig Marshall DE/OLB. One reader didn't think Sheard would last until 58. And I was suprised that 'only' a 2012 1st was received for 33. What do you guys think?

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

    Peter King says today the Pats have a deal on the table to move #28 to a team for a 2011 2nd rounder and a 2012 1st rounder, provided the mystery teams player is still on the board.

    1. There's a team in the draft that has a deal on the table -- I'm guessing New England (surprise!) -- with a team trying to come back into the first round. The deal will net the team dealing the first-rounder the following: a second-round pick in 2011 and a first-round pick in 2012. The deal, I hear, is contingent on the player the trade-up team wants still being there. Could it be Tennessee trading into the bottom of the first round, at 28, to get Jake Locker or Andy Dalton? Stay tuned.



    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/24/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1KYY0axJu
     
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