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    [QUOTE]The so called "experts" that think BB drafts for need misunderstand his definition of "need."  There is "need" in terms of talent upgrade then there is "need" in terms of vacant, or soon to be vacant roster spots.  The latter "need" is the "need" BB usually fills first.  Vacant, or soon to be vacant, roster spots occur several ways: 1) contract expiring, prospect of re-signing are dim 2) player is getting old with declining skills, retired or may retire 3) time remains on contract but player not worth salary 4) player is a problem in locker room/organization 5) player is injured and prospect to return to form are bleak 6) player is not developing/learning, can't help team 7) roster spot vacant. When looking at the DL and OLB position, none of the above apply.  ...
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    Excellent analysis of how BB sets his priorities. Watch out... you may find this written in somebody's column pretty soon...or maybe leading to next year's draft.

    Now may I give you your next analysis assignment? How does he choose his players he drafts?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!*** : You recall correctly. Don't bring that to the open forum though. I mentioned it a few times and was hogtied. People refuse to think that NE's lack of WR talent had anything to do with losing, and the answer is inevitably ... if NE had drafted Clay Matthews. I am, and was, of the opinion that Lawrence Taylor wouldn't have changed the outcome of that game, but a young Deion Branch may have forced the Jets to change their coverage scheme and opened things up for the other guys.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    IMO, the primary reason that we lost to the Jets is that our OL had a bad day.  They couldn't block Shaun Ellis.  There were missed blocking assignments at the most critical moments. The coaching should bear some blames too when the Jets were able to generate pressure without blitzing.
     
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    We got to get this thread to 7500 before we shut it down...

    thanks Captn, Lifer, Zb, etc.  Lifer, thanks for sharing that story on Solder.  I confess to have liked him a lot before Senior Bowl week where he struggled in one-on-one drills.  Prior to the SrB a lot of us, myself included, thought it would be a steal for the Pats to get Solder at 17.  His 6-8, 319 frame and incredible athleticism would be appealing to BB.  Solder may actually be a better pick than Tyron Smith.  The Pats could be laughing twice at old Jerry over this one and Dez.

    Solder has incredible upside as pointed out in the story.  I could easily see him bulking up to 330 without losing a step and becoming one of the most dominant LTs in the history of the NFL.  With great coaching, he has that potential.  Imagine a LT who is 6-8, 330 and runs like a TE?  I would not be surprised to see the Pats declare him Tackle Eligible on a few plays a game whether they throw to him or not.

    I was impressed with Solder on tape and during interviews.  He does seem like a great kid.  I like Solder's attitude and competitive nature. 

    I actually think Solder upgrades the position regardless of the number of Pro Bowls Matt Light made.  Light always struggled with the speed rush and although he would make an occasional noteworthy play, I could see Solder really upgrading the run blocker aspect of the position. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!*** : Excellent analysis of how BB sets his priorities. Watch out... you may find this written in somebody's column pretty soon...or maybe leading to next year's draft. Now may I give you your next analysis assignment? How does he choose his players he drafts?
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]
    Someone pointed out, sorry I forgot who, that our first 5 picks were all team captains.  I didn't verify that but it rings true.  So I would say, leadership ranks up there.  The love of football, desire to work hard, to put team first, and to be a good citizen would seem to be other qualities BB seeks in a draft pick.

    As for someone knocking me off, let them.  I've been saying this for awhile, to the scorn of many, that managing the cap trumps upgrading positions for BB, IMO.  All anyone has to do is look at Miguel's Pats Cap site and look at who would generate the most savings if released or traded then measure whether or not that player is worth the money to know who's on their way out.  Once we see who is on their way out, it makes guessing the positions BB will target in the draft or free agency a little easier.

    If Mord, Laz or whoever it was is right, that the new cap will be in the $140MM range, I could see BB doing something big in free agency.  He is also armed with some premium picks next year so might he be in the market for a Larry Fitzgerald?  He turns 28 in August and ARI should be worried about losing him next year.  ARI didn't take a QB which can't make Fitz happy.  Maybe Mallett could be part of a deal with ARI? 

    I wouldn't rule out going after an edge rusher either but I don't see one out there we could get.
     
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    [QUOTE]for those of yo who didnt see it; from walter football; one of the more repected evaluators: they pull no punches here and tell it like it is: 2011 NFL Draft Grades: I'm very confused by what Bill Belichick just did. Going into the 2011 NFL Draft, Belichick absolutely had to find upgrades in the front seven, yet he didn't draft a defensive lineman or rush linebacker until No. 194. Instead, Belichick spent his selections on two dime-a-dozen running backs and a blocking tight end. Based on the players alone, the Patriots deserve a D or possibly an F. However, I really liked two things that'll really bump up this overall grade. First, Belichick acquired first- and a second-round picks in a superior 2012 NFL Draft. Belichick smirked when discussing the latter future selection on ESPN. It's almost as if he were thinking, "I can't believe I outsmarted that idiot Al Davis again." Second, the Ryan Mallett pick was a good one. Belichick is going to stash Mallett on his bench for two years. In 2013, everyone fill forget about the drug use. Instead, some quarterback-hungry team will think, "Mallett's been clean and Belichick likes him. Let's go for it!" Lo and behold, Belichick will land yet another first-round pick. The man is a genius. Overall 2011 NFL Draft Grade given on 5/1/11: B- 2011 NFL Draft Individual Grades: 17. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado I know you have to protect Tom Brady, so I'm not going to give the Patriots a bad grade. But I don't like this pick. I'm just not a fan of Nate Solder. He was constantly abused at the Senior Bowl. (Pick Grade: C) 33. Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia Another corner? This is not New England's greatest need, but it's something I thought they'd address at some point in Day 2. Ras-I Dowling may have been a first-round pick had he not been injured so much throughout his collegiate career, so the Patriots might be getting some value atop the second round. (Pick Grade: B) 56. Shane Vereen, RB, California I'm not a fan of this pick at all. Shane Vereen could be a good player for the Patriots, but this is definitely a reach, especially with the unbelievable amount of running backs still available. Vereen fills a need, which saves this selection from being an F or a dreaded Millen. (Pick Grade: D) 73. Stevan Ridley, RB, LSU What? Another running back? Bill Belichick has been the master of Rounds 2-3, but I'm not getting these picks at all. Not only is Stevan Ridley a major reach (no one had him in the top 150); he doesn't even fill a need. (Pick Grade: F) 74. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas When I first heard that Ryan Mallett was going here, I planned on giving the Patriots a D. Why build for the future and continue to ignore the front seven? But then I thought about it, and I realized that Bill Belichick is a genius. I have no doubt in my mind that Belichick doesn't plan on playing Mallett at all (in the event that Tom Brady retires). He's going to trade him in a year or two to a quarterback-hungry team for a much higher pick. (Pick Grade: B) 138. Marcus Cannon, G, TCU A classic Patriots pick. Marcus Cannon has a mass he needs to get rid of, so it's highly doubtful that he'll be able to play in 2011. If he can recover, however, Cannon will be a big upgrade on the offensive line in 2012. (Pick Grade: A) 159. Lee Smith, TE, Marshall Umm... don't the Patriots have enough tight ends? Where is Lee Smith going to play? Why aren't the Patriots upgrading their front seven? (Pick Grade: F) 194. Markell Carter, DE/OLB, Central Arkansas Finally, a front-seven player! Markell Carter is a project pass-rusher. I didn't think he would be drafted, but others had him in the 250 range. (Pick Grade: C) 219. Malcolm Williams, CB, TCU Another defensive back I had to look up. Malcolm Williams is No. 730 on NFL Draft Scout and not listed on Scouts Inc. That's not good. (Pick Grade: D)
    Posted by brdbreu[/QUOTE]

    brdbreu,  My take on the running backs is as follows: yes, it does seem that there was some reaching; however, since BB may have been planning to trade a 3rd and a 4th for a 2nd in 2012 then I can live with that. We say goodbye and thanks to Faulk, Morris and Taylor. The average age of the running backs is way lower and we may be able to get by with 4 instead of 5, making room for Mallett.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!*** : brdbreu,  My take on the running backs is as follows: yes, it does seem that there was some reaching; however, since BB may have been planning to trade a 3rd and a 4th for a 2nd in 2012 then I can live with that. We say goodbye and thanks to Faulk, Morris and Taylor. The average age of the running backs is way lower and we may be able to get by with 4 instead of 5, making room for Mallett.
    Posted by teegee[/QUOTE]
    Good point.  We got by essentially with 3 RBs last year since Faulk and Taylor barely played.  4 RBs is the normal roster allotment anyway.  We are also carrying 6 WRs when a lot of teams carry 5. 

    A lot of "draft experts" criticize BB for reaching for Vereen and Ridley.  They all said that the value at RB was in later rounds and that the Pats should have taken a pass rusher.  While it is easy to agree, let's not forget the Pats were 14-2 last year with the best record in the NFL.  BB seems to know what he's doing even though a lot of people disagree.  This time next year these same critics will probably be praising what a good draft we had like they did last year.  Remember when everyone was clambering about McCourty and saying we wasted a first round pick on a kick returner?  Where are those guys now?  For BB to take these RBs where he did, he must have seen something in them.

    Vereen is the strongest and fastest of the 5 RBs (Ingram, Williams, LeShoure and Thomas) taken in the first 2 rounds.  Vereen's career 74 catches for 674 yards and 6 TDs are also all tops among these 5 backs.
     
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    Agree with you guys except maybe they carry 4 TE's...4 Rb's and 6 WR's...As some may be able to handle special teams....Cant wait to see if the rookies will perform like we hope...GREAT Forum....Was fun following..Maybe again next year....
     
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    YEah after peeking at Miguel's page (assuming there will be a cap) I woudn't be surprised to see NE grab a FA. I think that would be 10-20 million under. 

    I might add, it si one of the benefits of getting younger. Young players don't cost as much.

    I hesitate to make calls on FA's though. From what I see in the pass-rushing field, the best looking prospects are 43 ends, and enticing them to come on board a 34 team at OLB might be tricky. 

    I've already said, that half of NE's WR woes could be answered with a cost effective addition like Mike Sims-Walker. 

    Cullen Jenkins would be a splash, but I don't know if he is the stout run stuffer that BB looks for and would come expensively. 

    Tamba Hali is tagged. Ray Edwards is not. 

    Ray Edwards looks like a fit on paper, but one has to think about him making a smooth transition and given the dearth of FA pass rushers whether he would pass up a bigger offer elsewhere. 

    I can't think of any other spots NE would want to shore up given al they added to RB, DB, and OL these past few seasons.

    But yes, adding an 8 sack guy and a simple 1000 yard WR would greatly improve this team., and NE has the cap room to do it. 
     
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    Miguel transcribed the salary cap number wrong. It's $141M, not $114M. I think the Pats could look at these 4-3 DEs for a 1 or 2 year, $2M-$4M pass rushing specialist. Someone who perhaps won't be 1st or 2nd down player but can just get after the QB. Dave Ball for example.
     
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    Guys, I was initially disappointed in this draft, caught up in some players discussed frequently here, Watt, etc..  But from reading this board and watching draft results the last three years, I've learned this:  BB has a picture of who he wants in his system and who will be successful in his system, and players that we drool over just may not work in his system though they find success somewhere else.  Plus intangibles he looks for--Faucet said he may have chosen all team captains, for example.  The two young backs, how can they not produce more than the three old backs who didn't play?  The two young lineman, we all seem to think we may need them this year and in two or three years, don't they look better than some we have now?  Mallett I actually didn't like--I still don't think he'll make it because of off field issues--but when someone suggested BB may make him into a tradable commodity, then I got it.
    Dowling seems like a great gamble.  Excepting Mallett, isn't every one of these guys an improvement on someone presently on the team?  I think so, and Bill thinks they'll work in this system.  Plus extra picks next year in a good crop.  Of course some of these guys may not pan out, but Bill has been doing well the last couple of years.  Thanks again.
     
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    OK, can someone spell it out for me.  Are you suggesting we drafted Mallett for OAK and we'll consume a trade with them when it becomes legal again?

     
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    [QUOTE]We got to get this thread to 7500 before we shut it down... thanks Captn, Lifer, Zb, etc.  Lifer, thanks for sharing that story on Solder.  I confess to have liked him a lot before Senior Bowl week where he struggled in one-on-one drills.  Prior to the SrB a lot of us, myself included, thought it would be a steal for the Pats to get Solder at 17.  His 6-8, 319 frame and incredible athleticism would be appealing to BB.  Solder may actually be a better pick than Tyron Smith.  The Pats could be laughing twice at old Jerry over this one and Dez. Solder has incredible upside as pointed out in the story.  I could easily see him bulking up to 330 without losing a step and becoming one of the most dominant LTs in the history of the NFL.  With great coaching, he has that potential.  Imagine a LT who is 6-8, 330 and runs like a TE?  I would not be surprised to see the Pats declare him Tackle Eligible on a few plays a game whether they throw to him or not. I was impressed with Solder on tape and during interviews.  He does seem like a great kid.  I like Solder's attitude and competitive nature.  I actually think Solder upgrades the position regardless of the number of Pro Bowls Matt Light made.  Light always struggled with the speed rush and although he would make an occasional noteworthy play, I could see Solder really upgrading the run blocker aspect of the position. 
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    You are welcome Faucet.
    The more I read about Solder, the more I like him. I initially cringed at the pick, but that is before I really understood it and Solder.

    ZB had an interesting thought on Sims-Walker. He might be a right priced FA to bring in. I think he would be my Branch replacement. he can stretch it, and if you add Price to that we now have a nice vertical threat. We got plenty of underneath guys, so we have that covered. I like him overall in a Pats uniform.

    FA pass rushers, I have no idea. I can't find any worth it. Someone recently brought up a point about us possibly drafting Mallett for some predefined deal with Oalkland since they missed out on Kaepernick. Question is, even if this was possible, what do we want in return? Another 1st? A player?..who?...At this point, my feeling is we hold onto Mallett. I want to see that investment mature, and see if we can make him a solid citizen. he's got all the talent in the world...I think Brady can help get his head on straight..if he does, watch out.
     
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    If we look at career production of the SB era OLBs versus today's we see the following:

    YearTeamMcGinestTeamVrabelTeamTBCTeamNinkovich
    1994NE4.5      
    1995NE11.0      
    1996NE9.5      
    1997NE2.0PIT1.5    
    1998NE3.5PIT2.5    
    1999NE9.0PIT2.0    
    2000NE6.0PIT1.0    
    2001NE6.0NE3.0    
    2002NE5.5NE4.5    
    2003NE5.5NE9.5NE1  
    2004NE9.5NE5.5NE1.5  
    2005NE6.0NE4.5NE0.5  
    2006CLE4.0NE4.5NE5.5NO0.0
    2007CLE3.0NE12.5SF3.5MIA0.0
    2008CLE2.0NE4.0SF0.5 
    2009  KC2.0NE9.5NE1.0
    2010  KC0NE5NE4.0
    Total87.057.0275.0
    Ave/Season5.84.13.41.3
    WM/MV9.9TBC/RN4.6season
    ave/game0.62ave/game0.29
    difference5.2season
    diff/game0.33      


    McGinest made an immediate impact his first three seasons with the Pats with 25 sacks.  Then due to injury and inconsistency he only put up 5.5 sacks over the next two seasons.  McGinest then returned to form and put up 9 sacks in 1999.  Over the course of the next 4 years including 2 SB wining years, Willie averaged just 5.8 sacks a season.  Those 5.8 sacks were also his career average.  Over the course of his 15 year career Willy only once had double digit sacks and only 4 times had more than 6 sacks in a season.

    Vrabel took 7 years before making a major impact in terms of sacks.  After averaging just 2.4 sacks his first 6 seasons he finally broke through with 9.5 sacks in 2003.  Over the next 3 seasons Vrabel managed just 4.8 sacks a year.  Vrabel then rebounded in 2007 with a monster 12.5 sacks.  Since then he's had just 6 sacks over the past 3 years.

    TBC had 9.5 sacks in 2009 followed by 5.0 in 2010.  This fall if in production was also seen with McGinest 3 times, 9.5 in 1996 to 2 in 1997, 9.0 in 1999 to 6.0 in 2000 and 9.5 in 2004 to 6.0 in 2005.  Vrabel had 2 production drops between seasons 9.5 in 2003 to 5.5 in 2004 and 12.5 in 2007 to 4.0 in 2008.  So we shouldn't be alarmed to see TBC go from 9.5 in 2009 to 5.0 in 2010.  In fact TBC's 9.5 sack production in 2009 was better than McGinest and Vrabel combined in our 2001 championship season.

    I'm not trying to draw any conclusions here, just making observations.  Only twice did the above players but up double digit sacks in 17 years!!  Perhaps Ninkovich's 4 sacks is a sign of good things to come and perhaps TBC will rebound next year.  Perhaps another player steps up.  Perhaps the Patriots don't emphasize getting sacks as much as we all think?  Perhaps our DL was the reason of some of the past success our OLBs enjoyed.  But we know BB has always been a bend, don't break kind of guy so perhaps getting sacks isn't as important to him as it seems to be to fans and media.  Maybe getting pressure is more important than sacks and that is more the job of the DL.

    The bottom line is we won 14 games last years, 2nd most in club history.  BB know what he's doing and the critics should trust him more.
     
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    Here's a great sortable Patriots' draft resource that tracks all measurables and player data etc., for every player drafted during the BB era.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/graphics/04_28_11_draft_database/
     
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    Post # 7475. Only 25 more folks......
     
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    Agreed with Faucet, this is a 14-2 team who just added another element to the offense-a strong running game.  We also improved our defensive backfield, the Pats are a better team coming out of the draft than they were going in to it.  I'd love to see a few FA signings like Cullen Jenkins, Mike Sims-Walker and maybe Manny Lawson/Matt Roth type guys to compete for OLB spots.  That would fill all our needs entering the season.
     
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    even if it was against poor competition, the Pats last 6 games were dominant on defense. part of it were the offense we played, but part of it was a number of young players playing better, especially Nink, Fletcher, Moore, Guyton, and the secondary. At the same time, we were having problems with the defensive line's health so it really was the linebacker corps and secondary that stepped up.
     
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    The Solder, Cannon, Mallett and Downing picks were solid.  I think Randall Cobb would have been a better choice in late second than Verreen - and we could have picked him at 3rd round; if he was gone, we still would have had Ridley.  I did not like back to back RB choices.  Woody & Law Firm can catch the 3rd down short stuff, when needed. Mark H of BC, to me, would have been a better selection than either of the guys we picked at 6 or 7.  Not much available in pro free agency for OLB, so it looks like wait till next years again and hope BB does somethiing positive in this area with at least 1 of 4 picks in the first two rounds of the 2012 draft.

    I agree with TexasPat that a B is the grade for the 2011 Pats draft.
     
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    [QUOTE]If we look at career production of the SB era OLBs versus today's we see the following: Year Team McGinest Team Vrabel Team TBC Team Ninkovich 1994 NE 4.5             1995 NE 11.0             1996 NE 9.5             1997 NE 2.0 PIT 1.5         1998 NE 3.5 PIT 2.5         1999 NE 9.0 PIT 2.0         2000 NE 6.0 PIT 1.0         2001 NE 6.0 NE 3.0         2002 NE 5.5 NE 4.5         2003 NE 5.5 NE 9.5 NE 1     2004 NE 9.5 NE 5.5 NE 1.5     2005 NE 6.0 NE 4.5 NE 0.5     2006 CLE 4.0 NE 4.5 NE 5.5 NO 0.0 2007 CLE 3.0 NE 12.5 SF 3.5 MIA 0.0 2008 CLE 2.0 NE 4.0 SF 0.5   2009     KC 2.0 NE 9.5 NE 1.0 2010     KC 0 NE 5 NE 4.0 Total 87.0 57.0 27 5.0 Ave/Season 5.8 4.1 3.4 1.3 WM/MV 9.9 TBC/RN 4.6 season ave/game 0.62 ave/game 0.29 difference 5.2 season diff/game 0.33             McGinest made an immediate impact his first three seasons with the Pats with 25 sacks.  Then due to injury and inconsistency he only put up 5.5 sacks over the next two seasons.  McGinest then returned to form and put up 9 sacks in 1999.  Over the course of the next 4 years including 2 SB wining years, Willie averaged just 5.8 sacks a season.  Those 5.8 sacks were also his career average.  Over the course of his 15 year career Willy only once had double digit sacks and only 4 times had more than 6 sacks in a season. Vrabel took 7 years before making a major impact in terms of sacks.  After averaging just 2.4 sacks his first 6 seasons he finally broke through with 9.5 sacks in 2003.  Over the next 3 seasons Vrabel managed just 4.8 sacks a year.  Vrabel then rebounded in 2007 with a monster 12.5 sacks.  Since then he's had just 6 sacks over the past 3 years. TBC had 9.5 sacks in 2009 followed by 5.0 in 2010.  This fall if in production was also seen with McGinest 3 times, 9.5 in 1996 to 2 in 1997, 9.0 in 1999 to 6.0 in 2000 and 9.5 in 2004 to 6.0 in 2005.  Vrabel had 2 production drops between seasons 9.5 in 2003 to 5.5 in 2004 and 12.5 in 2007 to 4.0 in 2008.  So we shouldn't be alarmed to see TBC go from 9.5 in 2009 to 5.0 in 2010.  In fact TBC's 9.5 sack production in 2009 was better than McGinest and Vrabel combined in our 2001 championship season. I'm not trying to draw any conclusions here, just making observations.  Only twice did the above players but up double digit sacks in 17 years!!  Perhaps Ninkovich's 4 sacks is a sign of good things to come and perhaps TBC will rebound next year.  Perhaps another player steps up.  Perhaps the Patriots don't emphasize getting sacks as much as we all think?  Perhaps our DL was the reason of some of the past success our OLBs enjoyed.  But we know BB has always been a bend, don't break kind of guy so perhaps getting sacks isn't as important to him as it seems to be to fans and media.  Maybe getting pressure is more important than sacks and that is more the job of the DL. The bottom line is we won 14 games last years, 2nd most in club history.  BB know what he's doing and the critics should trust him more.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    That's a big post! I stated the same case a few years back about the pass rush. I came up with a figure of about 18 sacks total production from OLBs. They would usually get another ten on the line, and another 10-is in the ILB/CB/S area. 

    But pressure is more important than sacks. A step forward by Cunningham, and a good rookie season/comeback season by Dowling/Bodden, and a fresh Mike Wright/Warren, and this defense improves. Period.

     
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    Talking about the running game above, I posted this on another thread:

    Grogan77, since everyone else covered the "no defense" comment I'll cover the "weak running game" comment. Do you realize in 2010 your New England Patriots ran the ball 454 times for 1973 yards! Thats a 4.3 YPC avg and an avg of 123.3 yards per game! (keep in mind both those averages are brought down By Tom Bradys 31 carries for 30 yards, and Brian Hoyers 10 kneeldowns for -8 yards) Delete the two QB's and your avg goes up to 4.72 YPC. Not too shabby! But because all the yardage wasn't gained by one feature back, clueless "fans" like yourself think the running game was weak. And just for good measure....out of those 454 carries, there were only TWO fumbles, of which only 1 was lost!
    But if thats not good enough for you, we drafted a feature back in round 2, a thumper in round 3, and two mammoth OL's to open holes for them. The running game was effective last year, and will be more so this year.

    Looking forward to the runing game being even better in 2011!


    P.S. Post # 7480! haha

     
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    RE : Shutting this thread down at 7500 posts...

    My question is WHY ?

    ( MB is eventually just going to start a new thread entitled 2012 Patriots Draft Options )

     I say MB just changes THIS thread topic to 2012 and keep this MF'er rollin into the 5 digit territory and beyond .


    PS ~
     
    I think I'm starting to understand BB 's 2011 draft  a lil' better , especially after watchin' the Patriots All Access Draft Special . I get the feelin' that BB just didnt have the hots for the talent post Top 20 and decided to look for "value " via future prospects ( Saints ) and unorthodox means ( Mallete as a commodity , 3 & 4th to Oak ) .

    Note : It's kinda funny that during some of the video you can almost taste the discust in the Pats draft room as they wait for the phone to ring with acceptable trade offers for #17, that never came ( cue crickets chirpin' ).
      My gut tells me that their guy didnt last to pick #17 and then Plan B didnt work out  (where they move back slightly to land someone ) You can actually hear a voice tell BB ...Lets just take him ( Solder )
      At pick #33 , I think they were convinced they'd be gettin' amazing offers  ( were'nt we all ? ) and when that didnt materialize , they reluctantly went with Ras-I 
    ( BB is seen on the phone telling the SF GM that the least he'd take is a 2 this year and a 2 in 2012 ).
       
     
     
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    [QUOTE]RE : Shutting this thread down at 7500 posts... My question is WHY ? ( MB is eventually just going to start a new thread entitled 2012 Patriots Draft Options )  I say MB just changes THIS thread topic to 2012 and keep this MF'er rollin into the 5 digit territory and beyond . PS ~   I think I'm starting to understand BB 's 2011 draft  a lil' better , especially after watchin' the Patriots All Access Draft Special . I get the feelin' that BB just didnt have the hots for the talent post Top 20 and decided to look for "value " via future prospects ( Saints ) and unorthodox means ( Mallete as a commodity , 3 & 4th to Oak ) . Note : It's kinda funny that during some of the video you can almost taste the discust in the Pats draft room as they wait for the phone to ring with acceptable trade offers for #17, that never came ( cue crickets chirpin' ).   My gut tells me that their guy didnt last to pick #17 and then Plan B didnt work out  (where they move back slightly to land someone ) You can actually hear a voice tell BB ...Lets just take him ( Solder )   At pick #33 , I think they were convinced they'd be gettin' amazing offers  ( were'nt we all ? ) and when that didnt materialize , they reluctantly went with Ras-I  ( BB is seen on the phone telling the SF GM that the least he'd take is a 2 this year and a 2 in 2012 ).       LINK : www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=videonewsdetail&pid=48406&pcid=160 " />Patriots All A c cess - 5/6/2011
    Posted by CaptnFoxboro[/QUOTE]
    I sensed the same thing, BB wanted to move down and wheel and deal more but just didn't get the offers.  Most teams probably try to avoid dealing with the Pats on draft day but our old partners OAK and NO.  Solder could have been had in the mid 20s and Dowling perhaps at 50.  BB should have moved up with WAS and taken JJ Watt.  That's my view but we still had a good draft.
     
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    [QUOTE]Talking about the running game above, I posted this on another thread: Grogan77, since everyone else covered the "no defense" comment I'll cover the "weak running game" comment. Do you realize in 2010 your New England Patriots ran the ball 454 times for 1973 yards ! Thats a 4.3 YPC avg and an avg of 123.3 yards per game! (keep in mind both those averages are brought down By Tom Bradys 31 carries for 30 yards, and Brian Hoyers 10 kneeldowns for -8 yards) Delete the two QB's and your avg goes up to 4.72 YPC . Not too shabby! But because all the yardage wasn't gained by one feature back, clueless "fans" like yourself think the running game was weak. And just for good measure....out of those 454 carries, there were only TWO fumbles, of which only 1 was lost ! But if thats not good enough for you, we drafted a feature back in round 2, a thumper in round 3, and two mammoth OL's to open holes for them. The running game was effective last year, and will be more so this year. Looking forward to the runing game being even better in 2011! P.S. Post # 7480! haha
    Posted by Quagmire3[/QUOTE]
    Yes, like I was excited to see how productive the two new TEs would be heading into last year, I am equally excited to see how the running game develops.  Instead of having a two headed monster, we'll likely feature a 4 headed monster.  I doubt anyone will have more than 750 yards because all 4 backs will see time.
     
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    This was an easy draft too call in reality the biggest need for the Patriots was to upgrade LT and running game. I personally was hoping for Pouncey to be available at 17 but hey when he was taken by Miami it left the door open for BB to snag arguably the best LT in this draft. By adding fresh young legs to the backfield the defenses will not be able too key on the receivers. Morris,Taylor and possibly even Faulk will all be on the outside looking in come football season whenever that is.. I don't think that BB will forget the D and free agency has quite a few interesting options,again whenever that process comes to fruition..I wouldn't close this thread either as it has many more components still left too converse about,including UDFA's and free agency and the effect of each aspect of the off season towards the eventual selections made in this draft..
     
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    We all got our hopes up for BB to draft a big playmaker on the defense and we know what happend. Now I see more and more people saying he will do it through free agency and I feel as though we are just getting our hopes up for another dissappointment. I think BB will stick to his guns and develop his team with what he has. I dont see the patriots going after a big name free agent.

     

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