Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***
posted at 5/10/2011 11:20 AM EDT
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!*** : Faucet, have to disagree on this. Several media outlets indicated the Giants had a huge desire for Solder. I dont think he would have lasted past them. Now I do agree on Watt, maybe we should have traded 28, 60 and a later pick with washington, Watt and Solder would have been better.
Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon
The Giants were smart, they saw Prince at 19 and never dreamed he'd fall into their laps. We could have taken Prince at 17 then Carimi at 28. Most people feel Carimi is a RT so if he is, we move Vollmer over to LT. We then could have traded 33 down to someone as I think Ingram would still have been there.
Obviously BB wanted a stud LT and feels he can develop Solder into that. The Pats do have a pretty impressive track record of making good OLs out of nobodies like Stephen Neal, Rush Hochstein, Koppen and even Mankins. Most people had Mankins as a 3rd rounder. None of these players have the athletic ability and size of Nate Solder so he could end up becoming just a beast, maybe as good if not better than Joe Thomas and Jake Long. Let's compare the three:
Nate Solder - 6-8, 319, 4.96, 21 reps, 32 vert, 2.87 twenty, 1.72 ten, 9-2 broad, 4.34 shuttle, 7.44 cone
Joe Thomas, 6-7, 311, 4.92, 28 reps, 33 vert, 2.87 twenty, 1.75 ten, 9-2 broad, 4.88 shuttle, 7.95 cone
Jake Long, 6-7, 313, 5.22, 37 reps, 27.5 vert, 2.97 twenty, 1.75 ten, 8-6 broad, 4.73 shuttle, 7.44 cone
Solder is taller and heavier coming out than the other two guys but he needs to spend some time in the weight room, which he will. Solder's vertical and broad jumps are on parr with Thomas and better than Jake Long. His 40 and 20 times are on parr with Thomas and better than Long's. But, the things that stand out to me are the agility drills. Solder's 4.34 shuttle is off the charts for a guy his size and his cone matches Jake Long. On paper, Nate Solder is every bit as impressive as the two elite AFC tackles and one could argue has a bigger upside if that is possible. Did the Pats at 17 land someone who in a year or two will be contending for Pro Bowl appearances with Long and Thomas? Long was taken #1 overall and Thomas was taken #3 overall in their respective drafts. If Solder develops to where his name is mentioned in the same sentence as those two guys and we got him at 17, that would be pretty special.
Dowling worries me medically. There is no denying his talent and value at 33 IF he stays healthy. But I still think I would have preferred the Prince/Carimi combo over the Solder/Dowling combo.
I am not sad that we passed on Ingram. His knees are worrisome. I think Vereen has every bit the chance that Ingram has to be special but without any current medical issues. Vereen is bigger, strong and faster with more of a home run potential. Vereen is about equal coming out of the backfield and at 56 instead of 28, the risk is way less. Plus we basically got Vereen and a 2012 first instead of Ingram.