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    mcshay 1.0

    he has us passing on ayers, aldon smith, watt, clayborn, costonzo and carimi
    for kerrigan and he also has us taking a running back at 28? before a "d" or "o" lineman?
    that ain"t how baltimore and pittsburgh do it...

    your comments?
    Carolina Panthers

    Record: 2-14

    Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson

    The Panthers made no secret of the fact that they would draft Stanford QB Andrew Luck if he were available, but with Luck off the board they turn their attention to their need for a pass-rusher. Bowers is the best available with his explosiveness, and he also has the strength to hold the edge against the run.

     

     

    Denver Broncos

    Record: 4-12

    Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

    Denver needs to overhaul its defensive front, and while new coach John Fox has not yet named a defensive coordinator, Fairley has the versatility to play in a 3-4 or 4-3 front. Fairley is quick, disruptive and plays with an edge, and he could not be blocked by one man during the college season.

     

     

     

    Buffalo Bills

    Record: 4-12

    Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

    The Bills are in need of a franchise quarterback, and with Luck not on the board, Gabbert is the best available signal-caller. He has the physical tools and football smarts to become a very good NFL QB once he makes the full transition to a pro-style offense.

     

     

     

    Cincinnati Bengals

    Record: 4-12

    A.J. Green, WR, Georgia

    The Bengals need to find the heir apparent to Carson Palmer at some point but won't find him in this scenario. With Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco likely on their way out of town, Green would be an ideal replacement. He is very smooth for his size and plays the ball better than any receiver in the 2011 class.

     

     

     

    Another team with a quarterback need but no signal-caller worthy of its pick available, the Cardinals turn their attention to their next-biggest need. Peterson has a freakish combination of size and athleticism, plays the ball well and can also contribute in the return game.

     

     

     

    Cleveland Browns

    Record: 5-11

    Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina

    This is a tough call. The Browns need help at receiver and would take Green if he's available, but Quinn offers great potential as a pass-rusher despite sitting out the entire 2010 season because of off-the-field issues and would fill another big need in Cleveland.

    Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama

    New defensive coordinator Vic Fangio brings a 3-4 scheme with him, and Dareus proved his effectiveness in three-man fronts under Nick Saban at Alabama. Dareus is quick, strong and mobile and would further upgrade a defense that already ranks in the top 10 against the run.

    Tennessee Titans

    Record: 6-10

    Jake Locker, QB, Washington

    Gabbert is the only quarterback in this class worthy of a top-10 grade. This is a reach for the Titans, but with the departure of Vince Young they need to find a long-term answer under center. Locker has some accuracy issues but his intangibles and work ethic are assets.

    Dallas Cowboys

    Record: 6-10

    Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska

    Defenses field a lot of nickel packages in today's NFL and the Cowboys need help at corner.Mike Jenkins took a big step backward in 2010, Terence Newman isn't getting any younger and Orlando Scandrick is a No. 3 corner at best. Amukamara is fluid, has great instincts and anticipation and plays the ball well and is even versatile enough to help out at safety if needed.

    Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

    This is another reach for a quarterback, but the Redskins have parted ways with Donovan McNabb, and Rex Grossman is clearly not the answer. There's no doubt Newton has the physical tools, and coach Mike Shanahan and his staff believe in their ability to develop quarterbacks, but he's still a long-term project as a pro-style passer.

    Houston Texans

    Record: 6-10

    Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M

    There is a lot of talk about the Texans becoming more versatile in their fronts, and while Miller played end in college we believe he is a good fit as a SAM linebacker in a 4-3 or an inside linebacker in a 3-4. He is a freakish athlete who plays sideline-to-sideline against the run, has upside in coverage and can get after the quarterback as a blitzing linebacker.

    Tyron Smith, OT, USC

    This was one of the hardest projections to make. The Vikings need a quarterback and a safety but there are none on the board worthy of this pick, and GM Rick Spielman is not going to reach for a player who doesn't belong. Offensive line is not Minnesota's biggest need but Smith is emerging as the top offensive tackle in the class with his natural feet and athleticism, and you can never go wrong drafting good offensive linemen.

    Detroit Lions

    Record: 6-10

    Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

    Jeff Backus isn't getting any younger and Gosder Cherilus has been nicked up, and while offensive tackle isn't a top need, the Lions would get a big, naturally talented player who could be the long-term answer at tackle when Backus moves along.

    St. Louis Rams

    Record: 7-9

    Julio Jones, WR, Alabama

    Jones is a big, physical receiver who can run. He came into his own in 2010 and is ready to contribute right away, and he would give second-year QB Sam Bradford another weapon on a rapidly improving offense.

    Miami Dolphins

    Record: 7-9

    Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
    Mike is not quite as good as his brother Maurkice, who has solidified Pittsburgh's interior offensive line and is one of the top rookies in the league, but the Dolphins need help on the interior and Mike is ready to start right now. The Dolphins need a running back as well, but as much as we like Mark Ingram, this is too high for him.

     

    Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas

    We have a second-round grade on Mallett. Others might disagree with our evaluation, but the Jaguars have a quarterback need and Mallett is the only remaining quarterback on the board who appears to have starting potential. If Mallett should get past this pick there's a strong chance he won't come off the board until Day 2.

    New England Patriots (from Oakland)

    Record: 14-2

    Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue

    The Patriots have a lot of options here but Kerrigan fits their mold of a player with the height and bulk to play outside linebacker and get after the quarterback in their 3-4 scheme. He's not an exceptional athlete, but Kerrigan is instinctive and relentless.

    Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA

    The San Diego defense has not been the same since Shawne Merriman was injured and eventually released. Larry English has been a disappointment and Ayers would fill the Chargers' need for a 5-technique who can get after the passer.

    New York Giants

    Record: 10-6

    Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois

    After studying tape of Liuget we feel he's not far behind Fairley and Dareus among defensive tackles. The Giants have spent a lot of money on ends and pass-rushers in recent years, and Liuget would help provide a strong presence in the middle as an every-down defensive tackle.

    Tampa Bay has a lot of needs along the defensive front seven but there's not a traditional 4-3 linebacker worth taking here, so Clayborn makes sense with his strength. He would team with DTs Gerald McCoy and Brian Price to form one of the best young defensive lines in the league.

    Kansas City

    Record: 10-6

    Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri

    Kansas City needs a pass-rusher opposite Tamba Hali and Smith is one of the more underrated players in this draft. He's a little undersized for a 4-3 end but is a perfect fit at outside linebacker in the Chiefs' 3-4 defense.

    Indianapolis Colts

    Record: 10-6

    Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College

    Castonzo needs to develop his overall skill set a bit and get stronger in the lower body, but given how desperate the Colts are for linemen who can protect Peyton Manning, this pick makes sense.

    Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

    The Eagles have been up-and-down with their offensive line picks in recent years, but while Carimi has some limitations athletically there is little doubt in my mind he's NFL-ready and will be a quality starter at right tackle for the next 10 years. He's the most technically sound and consistent lineman in this year's class.

    New Orleans Saints

    Record: 11-5

    Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State

    New Orleans continues to look for upgrades along the front seven, and while Paea is not a pass-rusher he is tough to move and would make the Saints more stout against the run, offering a good complement to current DT Sedrick Ellis.

    Seattle Seahawks

    Record: 7-9

    J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin

    Seattle has a lot of positions to upgrade but no truly glaring need, and Watt offers good value here. Some feel his best fit is as a 5-technique in a 3-4, but given the way he is always on the move I think he's better off at left end in a 4-3 front like the one the Seahawks run.

    Baltimore Ravens

    Record: 12-4

    Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State

    Heyward proved in the Sugar Bowl win over Arkansas that he is a versatile playmaker when motivated. He would be a nice addition to an already-strong defensive line and a good complement to Terrell Suggs on the opposite end.

    Atlanta Falcons

    Record: 13-3

    Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia

    Houston played a hybrid role in college and could be a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he makes sense here as the heir apparent to DE John Abraham. Houston would help the aging Abraham stay fresh and have the chance to develop his skill set.

    Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama

    Running back is not necessarily a need and this is a bit of a luxury pick, but if the Patriots get a pass-rusher at No. 18 it would be hard for them to pass on the best running back in the draft.

    Green Bay Packers

    Record: 10-6

    Cameron Jordan, DE, California

    The Packers have a ridiculous amount of talent at linebacker and Jordan would help them become more stout along the defensive front. He is an underrated prospect with the strength to hold the edge and make plays.

    New York Jets

    Record: 11-5

    Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor

    Veteran NT Kris Jenkins has played only seven games during the past two seasons and the Jets cannot count rely on him to be a constant presence in the middle of their defense. Taylor has the size to anchor in the middle and good feet for a 350-pounder.

    Chicago Bears

    Record: 11-5

    Drake Nevis, DT, LSU

    Tommie Harris has not taken the next step to become an elite force, and the Bears are always looking for smaller, quicker defensive linemen who fit their scheme. Nevis could provide depth while preparing to step into a starting role. Chicago needs an offensive tackle but the talent dropoff is significant after the top four and no available tackle is worth this pick.

    Benjamin Ijalana, OT, Villanova

    Ijalana might be a bit of a surprise here but he has good physical tools and a lot of upside. A lack of depth along the offensive line has become an issue for the Steelers, and assuming Ijalana checks out medically after playing with some nagging injuries he would offer help in that area while preparing to step into a full-time role.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : i really want them to get moffit so he go opposite mankins and together make the running game a real threat.  getting moffitt while losing mankins will not improve their game. in fact it could be a one-year set back to tehir overall game.
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]
    No argument here, but we might not be able to keep Mankins.  We could get another year out of him if we tag him and pay him close to 11 mil.  We could have Moffitt at RG with Mankins at LG for a year.  That would be an upgrade regardless of Light.
     
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    Nice stuff but how many of the Patriots draft picks has he gotten right before? I'm sure Leshoure is a good running back but I really can't see BB drafting a RB in the first round. Watt is a real possibility at 17,but if I'm the Patriots and I still hold #28 it will be an o-lineman that I'm drafting and if not it better be another DE/OLB....Because we all must now realize defense wins in the post season.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : No argument here, but we might not be able to keep Mankins.  We could get another year out of him if we tag him and pay him close to 11 mil.  We could have Moffitt at RG with Mankins at LG for a year.  That would be an upgrade regardless of Light.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]


    yeah...i'm just whining.
     
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    guys...i did not see the game today (senior bowl). my question is if it's normal to see the "gurus" practically say that everyone but for 2-3 players s--k. that is what i am taking away from the recaps.

    was last year's draft overhyped? or is this year's draft class just way below in quantity of elite players compared to last year's? it really feels to me like the latter.
     
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    taped the game. surprised not too many posts about todays game.
    watch a little now, the rest next couple days.
    first throw to hankerson, used his body to catch it, bounced out and then he grabs it. not what i'd want to see (letting the ball get into his body, worse, appeared intentional). see what he does the rest of the game
     
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    Finding Patriot material in this Senior circuit

     
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    The Sr.B game itself isn't too revealing.  You aren't allowed to blitz, you have to stay in a 4-3 defensive set, no stunts allowed.  Players like Castonzo were played out-of-position.  There were no elite CBs or S in the game.  The practices were more revealing.  The game was boring, the QB play was mediocre at best.  I think this helps the Junior QBs a ton.  I wouldn't touch Locker before the 3rd round as a project, if at all.  Kaepernick should go to a team that can mold him for 2 years and then he could be something.

    But, it's not to say things weren't learned.


    Brooks Reed is starting to look a lot like Clay Matthews.  We saw him stand up a couple of times, but I didn't see him drop into coverage and make any plays in the passing game.  Still, I think he and Sam Acho helped themselves.  At this point I'd be more inclined to take a chance with either of these players in the 2nd or 3rd then to go with a Houston or Ayers in the 1st.

     
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    WEEI.com Blog Network
    Observations from the Senior Bowl 
    By Brandon Lawrence


    There’s no denying the importance of the Senior Bowl in the pre-draft process, and there is no denying that there’s always plenty to read into. After a week of practices, the game was finally played Saturday, with the South coming away with a 24-10 victory

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    What does Saturday’s game mean for the Patriots, who hold four picks in the first three rounds of April’s draft? If recent history suggests anything, it could mean plenty.

    In four of the last six years, the Patriots used their top pick on a player who participated in the Senior Bowl (Devin McCourty, Patrick Chung, Brandon Meriweather, Logan Mankins), so perhaps the next Patriots draftee was on display Saturday in Mobile, Ala.

    Here’s what we learned after a week of practices and Saturday’s game:

    Cameron Jordan might not be available when the Patriots pick at No. 17

    Throughout the week, the Cal defensive end really showed that he could be gone before the Patriots can nab him at No. 17. Jordan has great speed for a guy who figures to stay on the line in a 3-4, and could cause plenty of matchup problems at the next level. At 6-foot-4 1/8 and 287 pounds, the Patriots would probably prefer he put on a little weight by the combine, but when all is said and done, it might take a move up in the draft for him to even be in the picture.

    On Saturday, Jordan made his presence felt by deflecting passes and jamming his way into the backfield, forcing quarterbacks to leave the collapsed pocket. Something that should be a huge plus in the eyes of a team like the Patriots is that he has three years of experience as a 3-4 end, meaning he’s no stranger to playing the five-technique.

    As a whole, this draft features a fair number of guys capable of stepping in and contributing on the end for 3-4 teams, something that hasn’t been the case in recent years. The question is whether Jordan, who boosted his stock throughout the week, is now out of reach for one of the teams that could use him.

    Pass-rushers didn’t disappoint

    Even without the impressive crop of pass-rushing underclassmen, Saturday served as further proof that there are plenty of solid options for teams who need help getting after the quarterback. Texas A&M’s Von Miller furthered his case for top 10 consideration by harassing Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick and holding up against the North’s running game. Despite the Butkus Award winner’s solid performance, he’s still tough to see as a Patriot given his tendency to be one-dimensional and lack of size at 6-foot-2 5/8.

    Depending on what happens at the combine, it seems like Purdue’s Ryan Kerrigan could be an option for the Patriots at No. 17. Kerrigan created problems for the South’s offensive line on Saturday, using his speed to get to the outside to either rush the quarterback or draw holding penalties. He added a sack on TCU’s Andy Dalton in the second quarter that resulted in a loss of six yards. He’ll probably get looks from both 4-3 and 3-4 teams, and though he lacks the experience at outside linebacker, could make the adjustment much like Jermaine Cunningham.

    Texas defensive end Sam Acho made his presence felt on Saturday as well, bulldozing his way up the middle in the first quarter and recording a strip sack on Washington’s Jake Locker. Like the others, he would play standing up for the Pats. Unlike the others, he could be had with a second-round pick at this point.

    Mid-round backs options for Pats?

    If the Patriots want to add a running back in this draft, there is a case – based on the team’s recent draft history – to wait until the middle rounds to assess the position. On Saturday, one mid-round back stood out in Louisville’s Bilal Powell. Though he didn’t have a 400-yard season until his senior campaign, he has made it count. Powell rushed for 1,405 yards and 11 touchdowns in his final year at Lousville and continued his push for the NFL Saturday. He led all running backs with 50 yards on 10 carries and proved to be an asset for the South on first and third downs.

    In 2010, his first and only season as a starter, Powell played all but one game for the Cardinals, sitting out on Nov. 6 due to a knee injury. He could end up going anywhere from the third to fifth round of the draft.

    Another back who presented a fair amount of intrigue heading into the game was Nebrask’s Roy Helu Jr., though he was barely on display on Saturday. Helu Jr. received just two carries for three yards for the North. A well-rounded back, Helu Jr. could also fall in the third-to-fifth-round range after a senior year in which his workload was decreased.

    It’s a good thing the Patriots are set at quarterback

    Since Andrew Luck decided to return to Stanford, it has gone without saying that there isn’t really an “elite” quarterback in this draft. Saturday reinforced that line of thinking.

    Though some of the draft’s top signal-callers are underclassmen Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton and Ryan Mallett, plenty of people wanted to see what Washington’s Jake Locker could do in Mobile. As was the case throughout his college career, he was mediocre, completing six of 10 passes for 98 yards and fumbling twice.

    Kaepernick was another guy who could have proven something with a strong showing, but it seemed it wasn’t his day after his first pass, a ball over the middle to his tight end (and a catchable one at that) was tipped into the hands of Mississippi State linebacker K.J. Wright for the interception. Kaepernick finished the day four of nine for 53 yards.

    Florida State’s Christian Ponder had the best performance of the day, completing seven of 13 passes for 132 yards and a pair of touchdowns for the South and earning MVP honors. Still, it would be surprising to see Ponder drafted before the third round.

    DJ Bean contributed to this report.

     
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    Hey guys.  What do you all think of USC OT Tyron Smith?  I realize that at 6'5" and only 280-285 lbs he is quite a bit under-sized, but this guy is extremely agile and athletic.  Some scouts have him ranked as the #1 OT prospect in this draft, although I'm sure that this ranking is under the assumption that he can put on 20-25 lbs without losing his athleticism.  Might be a sleeper guy with a ton of upside that could be had late 1st or so...
     
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    What do you think about Patriots trading 17th and 28th pick to Cleveland for
    Marcell Dareus if he is still available? He would be quality upgrade. Cleveland needs to rebuild,plus hopely rookie cap is in place.
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey guys.  What do you all think of USC OT Tyron Smith?  I realize that at 6'5" and only 280-285 lbs he is quite a bit under-sized, but this guy is extremely agile and athletic.  Some scouts have him ranked as the #1 OT prospect in this draft, although I'm sure that this ranking is under the assumption that he can put on 20-25 lbs without losing his athleticism.  Might be a sleeper guy with a ton of upside that could be had late 1st or so...
    Posted by Wazzu-wheatfarmer[/QUOTE]


    i doubt with his size that he can run block effectively in the nfl. taking that OT is basically announcing to everyone in the league "We have no intention of running the ball!!!"
     
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    [QUOTE]The Sr.B game itself isn't too revealing.  You aren't allowed to blitz, you have to stay in a 4-3 defensive set, no stunts allowed.  Players like Castonzo were played out-of-position.  There were no elite CBs or S in the game.  The practices were more revealing.  The game was boring, the QB play was mediocre at best.  I think this helps the Junior QBs a ton.  I wouldn't touch Locker before the 3rd round as a project, if at all.  Kaepernick should go to a team that can mold him for 2 years and then he could be something. But, it's not to say things weren't learned. Brooks Reed is starting to look a lot like Clay Matthews.  We saw him stand up a couple of times, but I didn't see him drop into coverage and make any plays in the passing game.  Still, I think he and Sam Acho helped themselves.  At this point I'd be more inclined to take a chance with either of these players in the 2nd or 3rd then to go with a Houston or Ayers in the 1st.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    I watched the Senior Bowl and also felt that Reed and Acho were very impressive.  Reed constantly put the presure on the QB.  In a play, he faked out and then beat Solder to the inside.  Because of the risk of converting DE to OLB, I think taking Reed at the round 2 is better than taking Kerrigan at round 1.

    I was also very impressed with Phil Taylor.  The guy is big with very quick feet.  Maybe we take him at #28 to play nose and move wilfork to the DE?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** :...  I was also very impressed with Phil Taylor.  The guy is big with very quick feet.  Maybe we take him at #28 to play nose and move wilfork to the DE?...
    Posted by TrustBill[/QUOTE]

    i was wondering about that too. particularly on third and long when they always send no more than the three DLmen to rush the pass, wouldn't having someone like that at nt and vw and perhaps brace or gerard warren (those are three massive and strong guys) on the other side be an effective way of collapsing the pocket in that situation?


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : i doubt with his size that he can run block effectively in the nfl. taking that OT is basically announcing to everyone in the league "We have no intention of running the ball!!!"
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]

    He is a definitally too small right now, but he should be able to get up around 300 lbs pretty easily.  nepatriotsdraft has him rated as the #1 OT and #8 prospect overall, and walterfootball has him ranked as the #2 OT.  He may not be a starter as a rookie, but given a year might turn out to be the best OT out of this year's class.
     
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    If we look at the 40 times of the OL types BB has drafted in recent years we find that most of them are pretty fast, sub 5.30.  Welch was a 7th rounder and is no longer with the team.  These were the times I was able to find.

    Larson 5.15
    Welch 5.42
    Ohrnberger 5.22
    Bussey 5.23
    Wendell 5.28
    Hilliard 5.29
    Elgin 5.15
    Vollmer 5.12
    Kaczur 5.28
    Mankins 5.06

    It's a pretty constant theme.  BB likes his OL nimble and able to move, get out on screens, block downfield and even return kicks once in awhile, lol.  This is no secret.  We will have to wait to get times on some of these guys below from the Combine and Pro Days but this is the way it looks now.  I'm only including guys rated in the top 200.

    Acceptable

    OT Solder 4.89
    OT Smith 5.08
    OT Castonzo 5.06
    OT Sherrod 5.22
    OT Carimi 5.12
    OT Love 5.18
    OT Pinkston 5.12
    OT Gilbert 5.23
    OT Newton 5.06
    OT Hairston 5.18
    C/G Pouncey 5.29
    OG Watkins 5.17
    C/G Hudson 5.26
    OG Schilling 5.14
    OG Rackley 5.27
    C/G Moffitt 5.26
    OG Boling 5.16
    OG Ziemba 5.22
    OG Hurd 5.16
    OG Arkin 5.24
    C/G Wisniewski 5.16
    C O'Dowd 5.16
    C Barnes 5.14
    C Kirkpatrick 5.14
    C Fusco 5.24

    Unacceptable
    OT Cannon 5.34
    OT Barksdale 5.34
    OT Carpenter 5.36
    OT Brewer 5.36
    OG Franklin 5.30
    OG Ijalana 5.34
     
    Pouncey and Franklin on the borderline. 

    We have to see what Tyron Smith weighs at the Combine.  He's only 20 so he should be able to get up to 300 lbs by the start of next season because if he's over 300, he quickly becomes a very interesting prospect.  It's interesting that Smith has never played Left Tackle.  He was a RT at USC and everyone wants to anoint him the best or 2nd best LT prospect.  I currently have him 4th on my board and if he comes in at 285 I'll move Sherrod ahead of him.  Smith is a kid you want to sit a year, get him bulked up and matured a little.  He isn't someone I want on Brady's blind side on Day 1.

    If we decide to go RT and wait, although a bit short, I like Pinkston and Gilbert.  Gilbert could likely be had in the 4th or 5th but Pinkston will probably go late 2nd.  If we are going with a high pick I love Carimi at 28 as a RT.  He can play left but I just think he would be a beast on the right side and that Vollmer might be a bit better on the left side.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : He is a definitally too small right now, but he should be able to get up around 300 lbs pretty easily.  nepatriotsdraft has him rated as the #1 OT and #8 prospect overall, and walterfootball has him ranked as the #2 OT.  He may not be a starter as a rookie, but given a year might turn out to be the best OT out of this year's class.
    Posted by Wazzu-wheatfarmer[/QUOTE]

    you may be right. but he'll have to gain that weight pretty fast, as they need an OT who is really good at both protecting and run blocking NOW. light looks like he would be open to a discount. i just am not sure if he can hold up the entire year.


     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    For fun, I'm going to try a new mock without using the same players I usually take.

    17.  DE Ryan Kerrigan
    28.  DT Phil Taylor
    33.  OT Tyron Smith
    60.  RB Ryan Williams
    74.  OG Danny Watkins
    92.  OLB KJ Wright
    124. WR Jerrall Jernigan

    We put Kerrigan in Ninkovich's spot.  Now we have a pass rush.  If he can stand up and cover, so much the better but at first we use him situationally on passing downs.  Taylor has enough athleticism to play 34 DE and takes over in Seymour's old spot (of course we have to check into his past first).  Taylor was unblockable at the SrB game even with two OL blocking him.  On 43 set, he can stay on the field and we bring Kerrigan out on the edge.  Now we have a big push from the middle with a solid edge rusher with moves going against the RT.  I can only imagine Taylor next to Wilfork, the two of them will be collapsing pocket machines.  Tyron's weight causes him to slide out of the first round.  But the Pats will re-sign Light to a 1-2 year deal allowing Smith time to get up to size and learn our system.  He might beat Light out in his second year.  Ryan Williams should be more explosive than BJGE.  He slips this far because few teams need RBs and most know there will be good backs available into round 5.  At pick 60, the value is too great to not take him.

    Danny Watkins will be 27 but with a 4 year deal and 1 year as restricted, the Pats will get 5 solid years out of him before his contract comes up at 32.  He should be rated higher but his age causes him to drop.  He could end up being an All Pro within a couple of years.  KJ Wright is a guy I've mocked before.  I heard Mayock call him raw.  As a pass rusher, I agree, but as a player, he is far from raw.  He has correct size and speed you want and can chase ball carriers down.  I don't think he drops this far but if he does, it wouldn't hurt to take two OLBs to see if one or both stick.  Jerrel Jernigan is a short but solid and extremely fast WR.  He runs a 4.34 and could be the fastest player at the Combine.  He basically was the whole offense for Troy.  He projects in the slot and returns kicks but once he gets the ball in space, he is a threat to take it to the house. 

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    Hey Gents,

    Two players that make me think at 17 the Pats can look to other positions rather than DE or OLB.  I'm looking at  LT although Voll can move there getting the local kid to play LT would give the pats a couple of guys that are studs for years.

    I'm big on upgrading the Lines, I have a total of 5 line guys between D and O.  I believe them to be upgrades over guys in the roster. 

    17 - Anthony Costanzo OT
    28 - Muhammad Wilkerson DE
    33 - Stefen Wisniewski C/OG
    60 - Brooks Reed OLB
    74 - Kenrick Ellis DT/DE 
    92 - Kendall Hunter RB (if you didn't see this kid at Senior Bowl you missed a great performance)
    4th Rnd - John Moffitt OG
    5th Rnd - Darvin Adams WR 
    6th Rnd - Markus White OLB
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    Auchhhhh those links were great thank you. Your mock was nice but its starting to look like Jordan wont get to 17. I think there will be better ol than Pouncy at 28. I watched a lot of Gator games and just dont feel good about Pouncy.Love your pick of Powell his video is out of this world.
     
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    [QUOTE]Auchhhhh those links were great thank you. Your mock was nice but its starting to look like Jordan wont get to 17. I think there will be better ol than Pouncy at 28. I watched a lot of Gator games and just dont feel good about Pouncy.Love your pick of Powell his video is out of this world.
    Posted by maxnsl[/QUOTE]
    Max,

    I think there is an excellent chance that Jordan will be there at 17.  He is a perfect fit as a 3-4 DE but not such a good fit as a 4-3 DT.  Therefore I think he goes to a 3-4 team that needs a defensive end.  If we look at the teams picking ahead of us, the 3-4 teams who need DEs are DEN (2), BUF (3), CLE (6), DAL (9), and WAS (10).  Jordan is not going in the top 3 not with Fairley, Peterson and Bowers sitting there.  Cleveland would go with AJ Green or Von Miller before taking a DE.  Dallas has already stated they want an OT.  Miami is a 3-4 team at 15 but they have ZERO need for a DE so this leaves WAS.  WAS has much bigger needs at QB, WR, OG, and CB.  I would think if they don't take a QB like Mallett or Newton that they would go with Julio Jones or Prince Amukamara over Jordan.  But, I could be wrong here.

    Teams between 11-14 are HOU, MIN, DET and STL.  All are 4-3 teams and only MIN has a need at DE.  So if you make the case that Jordan can play 4-3 DE, there still isn't a need at MIN at 12.  MIN would likely be looking at QB or a more traditional edge rushing DE like Kerrigan, Quinn or Aldon Smith.  This takes us to JAX at 16.  JAX is a 4-3 team.  DE is a top need tied for JAX with QB, TE, OLB, FS, SS.  Again, if they target a DE, it would most likely be a prototypical speed edge rusher if one is left. 

    If WAS does not take a DE, I think there is a 80/20 chance that both Watt and Jordan are there at 17.  If we pigeonhole both players as 3-4 DEs after we pick at 17, SD needs a DE at 18 then no other 3-4 teams need a DE until we pick again at 28.  So, a strong case can be made that we could hold off on DE giving SD their choice of Watt or Jordan with the other one slipping to 28 unless the Jets move ahead of us.  They have shown the willingness to climb the board for a player they covet but they don't have a 2nd rounder this year and they'd have to swap their 3rd for a team's 4th meaning they get one pick in the top 100.

    So, I would target OT or OLB at 17 and DE at 28.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    Pats, I dont see Moffit lasting to anywhere near the 4th.  I am thinking late 2nd if we want him.
     
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    [QUOTE]Pats, I dont see Moffit lasting to anywhere near the 4th.  I am thinking late 2nd if we want him.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]

    I agree, he originally had a 4th rnd grade but as he's stock is on the rise.  I ignored that fact for this one but yes you are correct.  I was going to put there Clint Bowling from Georgia who's stock should be around the 4th or 5th.
     
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    [QUOTE]Pats, I dont see Moffit lasting to anywhere near the 4th.  I am thinking late 2nd if we want him.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]
    agreed.  Once we round the corner to the 2nd round, a run on OGs will start.  Teams needing OGs are DEN, CIN, ARI, CLE, TEN, DAL, WAS, DET, STL, OAK, TB, IND, PHI, SEA, ATL, NE, CHI, GB and PIT.  That's 19 teams!!  Even if 1/3 of these teams select a guard by round 2, the top 5-6 OGs will be gone by our pick 60. 

    I don't care where the draftnicks have these guys rated, demand will push them up the board.  Pouncey, Watkins, Wisniewski, Hudson, Moffitt, Franklin, and Schilling may all be gone certainly before our pick 74.


     
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    [QUOTE]Reiss wrote this: "Wilfork is the leader of the group and he’s signed through 2014. Warren (2013), Deaderick (2013), Wright (2012), Brace (2012) and Pryor (2012)" I remember i had a similar thought during the season... Maybe DE is not or priority #1...  We have 1 stud pro bowler in Big vince. A returning veteran (warren) and young players who can develop nicely... Brace, pryor, Deadrick. i know... there are a los of "IFs"   IF WARREN COMES BACK OK.  IF BRACE IMPROVES, IF DEADRICK BEHAVES AND IMPROVES... But if we analyze our personal at OLB... the situation if way worse !!! maybe that area needs more help. Then is Neal retires, Mankins is not signed, and light`s gone too... i think the Oline becomes priority #2 or even maybe #1 because they protect the greatest asset this team has... Tom  brady.   If i had to re-arrange team´s priorities this would be my list: #1.- OL ( If mankins is gone... OG... if he stays and light´s gone OT) #2.- OLB (if mankins and light stay with the team... OLB becomes #1) #3.- DL #4.- Runnig Back (Bjge and Woddy may be the only backs returning) #5.- CB #6.- WR #7.- Safety   In a perfect world: Mankins stays, light stays, we draft a strong-fast OLB that can rush the passer, we get a first round DE that can also rush, a nice OG and a Power Running back in the draft. We get 1 veteran Free Agent in each side of the ball... Running back and CB for depth. go pats !  
    Posted by auchhhhhhhhhhh[/QUOTE]

    Sorry man, but 3-4 DE is and should be very high on our radar. None of the guys you mention above are legit 3-4 DE's except TWarren. Brace, Wright, Pryor are 4-3 guys, with Brace possibly playing NT in our 3-4 to spell Vince, but he is much to slow (5.48 40yd) to play 3-4 DE the way it needs to be played. Could they fill in? Yes of course, but they are not what our 3-4 system demands at the DE position.
    If you are looking for the prototype 3-4 DE, think Seymour. Right size, strength, quickness, wingspan. They got to seal, collapse, eat up double teams, disrupt passing lanes, etc. That demands someone in the 6'4-6'6" range, and 300-315 pounds, that runs a 4.8/4.9 40yd. That is at least my ideal and probably pretty close to Bills. 
     
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