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2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    Well, NE wants their customary six picks in the first three rounds ... so they can trade them again.  What is the fun of the draft if you aren't wheeling and dealing for wheeling and dealing's sake?   ;-)
    Posted by zbellino

    said this 2 months or so ago and that i hope he knows how to change the music(his habit) at the appropriate time. guess not. he's just letting the needle go over on the the scratchy part of the record now.

     
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    Mr. Belichick, please pass the crack pipe.  What are you doing now?
    Posted by Faucetman



    well mr faucet,
       if it isnt someone beside me saying "you know what, the emperor may not have on any clothes."
     
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    A lot of activity today.  What I didn't like: * I was pretty bummed to see them pass on Brooks Reed and Randall Cobb.  Heck, I think Houston would've been worth a shot 60. * Ridley looks like the potential big power back that they've been looking for, but I question taking him in Rd 3.  What I liked: * Ras-I gives them an element of size not currently seen in their CB crop.  He has a good combo of size, speed, quicks, athleticism and physicality and looks like smart, high character kid. * Vereen is a kid that I've been particularly high on; strong, smart, good character, decent size, good speed, toughness and ability to catch the football, also looks to be adept in pass-pro.  Picking up a 2012 2nd rounder. On the fence: Mallett is a kid that makes a ton of sense physically.  Great size and arm strength, but he comes with his fair share of red flags.  A 1st Rd talent in the 3rd, is a great value pick, hopefully he can capitalize on the opportunity he's been given (the chance to learn under an all-time great for one of the best organizations in the NFL). What I hope to see tomorrow: The player I most want to see land in Foxboro is Mark Herzlich, that would make my Saturday. As for the overall board, assuming RB and QB are no longer targets, below are players that I'd love to see BB select on Day 3: Herzlich Romeus Elmore Skrine Carmicheal Beal Acho Sands Sanzenbacher Kerley Maehl Jeron Johnson Tim Barnes Andrew Jackson Clint Boling Chris Carter Mike Person Jordan Cameron Ahmad Black
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    hey mb, i agreed with you on this:
    "Ras-I gives them an element of size not currently seen in their CB crop.  He has a good combo of size, speed, quicks, athleticism and physicality and looks like smart, high character kid."
       was a need just after higher needs should have been met.
    was a guy i looked at and liked. wanted tthem to check out injury frequency history.

    power back, didnt you like thomas?
     
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    I understand the arm strength and all with Mallett.  But, am I the only one that just looks at this guys face and thinks "punk"? I dunno, he looks like a dunce. 
    Posted by mrbungle

    dunce no, punk yes. not just his face, the energy that he transmits from his face.
    ie some people exude resiliency. brady he aint. maybe he'll get enough hazing to transform and combined with someone believing in him.

     
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    Trying to digest this draft.  I can see the logic in things until Ridley.  That pick makes absolutely no sense.  I can understand Mallett from a value stand point and considering we didn't have a #3 QB.  I can even see Vereen to a degree in that he is a complete back, faster than BJGE with better hands but I can't see him getting more carries than BJGE.  He is really a cross between Woody and BJGE so okay, he gives us depth so I can understand it. 

    But Ridley makes no sense especially in the 3rd round, after the 5th maybe.  John Moffitt was taken 2 spots later.  Swap Moffitt for Ridley and I'd feel a lot better about this draft.  Right now I'd give it a C- even with the extra picks next year.  With all the ammo we had, we mis-fired IMO.  We still have 4 more picks tomorrow and there is still talent on the board so hopefully we land a couple of gems tomorrow. 

     
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    This is one boneheaded draft for the Pats.  I guess we are stuck with another bad defense that can't get off the field on 3rd down and who makes every QB look like a Hall of Famer.  At what point will BB decide his defense stinks and add some high grade talent to address it? Yeah, we started the process last year with Spikes, Cunningham, McCourty. We needed to continue the process this year but it doesn't look like we will be adding any significant to help.  Ras-I Dowling seems like he may as well sign up for the PUP list to beat the crowd (of NE DBs to get injured).  WE NEED A PASS RUSH.  Why can't BB see this?  He has had 7 years to address this need and he still hasn't done it.  It cost a SB trip against the Bears, it cost us the SB vs. the Giants. The team has been good enought to compete but without the pass rush it just does not have enough to finish. 
    Posted by Plluto29

    thank you! i'm no the only one saying this!

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : hey mb, i agreed with you on this: " Ras-I gives them an element of size not currently seen in their CB crop.  He has a good combo of size, speed, quicks, athleticism and physicality and looks like smart, high character kid."    was a need just after higher needs should have been met. was a guy i looked at and liked. wanted tthem to check out injury frequency history. power back, didnt you like thomas?
    Posted by brdbreu


    brd,
    This is where we come back to BPA vs. drafting for need, IMO.  BB clearly felt that the value wasn't there for any of the 34 edge talent on the board at 33.

    Wasn't completely against Daniel Thomas, but wasn't a fan of taking him in Rd 2, where he was being projected.  
     
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    I got it figured out. Here's the logic Mallett is going to take opposing players out for the night before the game and get them all drunk and drugged up. Then when they actually play they will be confused to all hell when NE rushes Wilfork and has Bodden, Ras, McCourty, Meri, Chung, Sanders, Butler, Arrington, Mayo, and Guyton on the field. They will be so confused and high that they will run backwards and commit a ton of safeties.  Yeah Vereen improves the running game but by how much compared to any number of FA's out there. Ras not sure how he improves the team. Solder will be the same as Light starting out which isn't a bad thing but doesn't improve the team from last year. It seems this team is staying the same while losing Neal and potentially Mankins too? Forget the 09 draft this might turn out to be the 08 draft
    Posted by PatsEng


    "I got it figured out. Here's the logic Mallett is going to take opposing players out for the night before the game and get them all drunk and drugged up. Then when they actually play they will be confused to all hell when NE rushes Wilfork and has Bodden, Ras, McCourty, Meri, Chung, Sanders, Butler, Arrington, Mayo, and Guyton on the field. They will be so confused and high that they will run backwards and commit a ton of safeties. "


    (laughing!)
    i love it!

    you do realize what this means. bb always has been the crazy (insane magician); now he's gone just plain crazy.

    the only possibility for us is he is crazy in the way to say to the league, "look i dont have to draft good players, i'll draft projects only and 3rd and 4th rd players and udfa's and i'm so good i'll coach them to a super bowl; even with my low iq "offensive coordinator"".

    thing is, it didnt work last year.
    but, bb is stubborn
    hes gonna try again.

    "i'm gonna win a sb with the worst defense in the league if it kills me!"
     
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    Everyone is saying Ras-I Dowling is crazy injury prone and wont stay on the field so I decided to look at his college career expecting to see that he missed a lot of games, but he appeared in 35 of a possible 37 games prior to his senior year where he only played in 5 games. So really just this last year he had some issues.

    Its just I see people on here saying things like he missed more games then he played in his career and stuff, he really just had one bad year. Plenty of guys have missed a season and then never had big issues after, so lets hope thats the case here.
     
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    Apparently BB had a blindfold on & was swinging wildly at a pinata in the draft room.  Has to be one of the worst drafts by an NFL team in history.  I think the Raiders & Al Davis had a better draft.  Kraft needs to find a GM who can judge college talent & leave BB far away from Gillette on draft day.  We can only hope SOMEONE is available in free agency who can rush the passer who we can now sign for twice the $$$$ a draft choice would've cost.  GRADE:::  F- 
     
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    THAT'S IT WE ARE DONE.  Traded 92 and 4th to Oakland. The Miser stashes some more for 2012, then 2013, then 2014 The only d-man drafted was a Corner. I guess Ras and Devin are going to be so good that we will not have to pressure the opposing QBs. TBC and Ronny B must be the happiest men in the world tonight ....
    Posted by CanadianPat



    . "I guess Ras and Devin are going to be so good that we will not have to pressure the opposing QBs. "

    priceless
    (:)

    "TBC and Ronny B must be the happiest men in the world tonight ...."

    thanks for the help in finding the humor in all ofthis. it helps!
     
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    73 and 74, we could have had Moffit and Hankerson, two good players at two need positions. I'll take Ridley but I don't get us picking Mallett, at all.
    Posted by GadisRKO



    its bb's "bizarro" world (if you know the seinfeld or comic book reference. everything has to be opposite. you cannot actually pick what you need, you can only pick what you dont need.

    so no joradan, no kerrigan, no watt, no heyward, no costanzo or carimi, no cobb or little, no thomas or leshoure, no moffit, wisniewski or hudson or watkins.
    now do you understand. everyone? ive figured out the belichick code for this years draft. besides if we dint do this and did pick these players to fit our highest needs, we would be too much like the "other"teams.were the pats, i'm bb, we do it differently.

    ok tongue in cheek
    i'm a little punchy.
    its lamost 4 am and havent gone to bed yet.
    only an hour or so from my normal schedule, but still.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Corner blitz, baby.
    Posted by teegee


    its all about the corners baby!
    corners rule the world!
     
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    Well, NE wants their customary six picks in the first three rounds ... so they can trade them again.  What is the fun of the draft if you aren't wheeling and dealing for wheeling and dealing's sake?   ;-)
    Posted by zbellino



    who cares about super bowls, its more fun to see how i can get 6 picks in the first 3 rounds every year! dont you see!
     
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    I think the lockout is a Hugh factor in this draft. When and if the season starts, rookies will be behind the 8ball with a steep learning curve, (not so steep for RBs). Returning veterans will have a hugh leg up, and, all other things being equal, will be more valuable than untested, learn-cramming rookies. BB is saving chips for 2012.
    Posted by teegee

    ,
    nice spin,  you have unrealized talent and should be working in washington dc.
    :)

    (levity understand,  just  a little levity)

    peace

     
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    Pats draft sucked  who is going to rush the qb?????No one so far in this draft  Has BB lost his marbles???2 rb's in the draft...NO DLINE OR OLB??????wHAT IS GOING ON.  last years version of pats defence couldn't hold a pop warner team from getting any 3rd down oe go up and down the field.  AT times I could get up and grab a beer and the opposition QB would be still looking for his 4th or 5th option to throw.  Pats draft as far as I an conderned is a C at best.  Often injured corner top 2nd round????Can't undestand pick will couch BB please report for drug testing now...
     
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    BB has accomplished his desired goal 2 firsts and 2 seconds in 2012....Thanks to Uncle Al...When FA's can finally be signed there are several good DE's on the list,and maybe BB has a plan to sign one.
    Posted by sportsbozo1


    if not, hope we're not veering into al davis territory.
    (hope hes not at the beginning of some slide).
     
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    Bill still has no one who can get near the quatarterback. We're an early out again. It's time to worry about his draft picks.
    Posted by quincyfish


    its been there, ive been saying it. last year was not bad but i had been noticing some apparent tendencies now sort of confirmed.

    see zbellino posts today and mine of 2.5 - 3 months ago.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Mallett is to much a partier. I see him drinking and smoking his way out of the league before he see's a regular season snap
    Posted by PatsEng


    yeah i think it was on csnne maybe or weei i forget curren and guys saying they need to now hire 24 hour security for mallet to make ssure he stays out of trouble.
    and i agree, seriously.
     
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    I understand that Belichick and the personnel guys know much more about they guys they're drafting than we do.  But to me, it was really obvious that the defense is missing a guy who can consistently pressure the QB, whether at OLB, DE, or a McGinest hybrid type.  It's such a clear need.  Either BB thinks a guy like Cunningham will improve a lot or he was just not impressed with the options in the draft.  A typical Pats draft, they do just the opposite of what everyone expects.   
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn


    "will improve a lot or he was just not impressed with the options in the draft."

    or he is afraid of making a mistake for some reason
    the options we dont see, many other teams seem to see and execute.


    A typical Pats draft, they do just the opposite of what everyone expects.   

    yes, too our detriment 50% of the time

     
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    Apparently BB had a blindfold on & was swinging wildly at a pinata in the draft room.  Has to be one of the worst drafts by an NFL team in history.  I think the Raiders & Al Davis had a better draft.  Kraft needs to find a GM who can judge college talent & leave BB far away from Gillette on draft day.  We can only hope SOMEONE is available in free agency who can rush the passer who we can now sign for twice the $$$$ a draft choice would've cost.  GRADE:::  F- 
    Posted by chuckles101


    Wow those kids haven't even come down from cloud 9 from getting drafted by the Patriots and it is the worst draft ever?

    We all talked about needing, OT, RBs and some of us wanted a CB and we got 6'8" 320 lb 8% body fat LT that yes isn't the most ready but has the highest ceiling, a CB that had not been for a bad senior season with injuries he would had been a 1st rounder oh who ran a 4.4 40 at the combine while limping the last 10 yards he'll be healthy and prior to last year he did not have injuries guys sometimes get hurt.
    Follow that by a dinamic back, guy can do it all he's the perfect mix of BJGE and Woody can play special teams bounch the rock outside catch ect improved version of Faulk/Woody.
    Then you take a guy who everyone called for (type player) big back who 4th and 2 you put big uglys in front and have him push a pile.
    Then they take the #1 rate QB on their board, kid spent a few days in there.  If he didn't convince them the reports were some what exagerated (even confirmed by his coach) he would not had been on his board.  Mallet I take there's risk but if he comes in listens to vets (brady) learns the O (he's one of the highest football IQ on the draft) he wins the #2 QB spot and now you can either trade Hoyer or keep him as #3.  Brady goes down and Mallet has the tools to manage the O and now you have the RBs to be a power running team if you have to.

    I hear the pass rush, I guess I like Eric Moore to much and Fletcher.  They have depth at DE and OLB on the roster which they didn't at OT, RB, QB and CB(ones that do not get beat).

    Also don't expect a pass rusher in the 5th maybe none at all.  It will be big uglys and maybe a development WR.

    I respect your opinion, I'm also a bit disapointed they didn't take Sheard but last I checked I haven't selected the last two years a Rookie pro bowler, starters on both sides and taken a 7th rounder converted him into a 2nd.  In Bill I Trust, this is a 14-2 team, they will play with leads now they get a lead and they have the work hourses to run the ball and kill the clock.
     
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    Trying to digest this draft.  I can see the logic in things until Ridley.  That pick makes absolutely no sense.  I can understand Mallett from a value stand point and considering we didn't have a #3 QB.  I can even see Vereen to a degree in that he is a complete back, faster than BJGE with better hands but I can't see him getting more carries than BJGE.  He is really a cross between Woody and BJGE so okay, he gives us depth so I can understand it.  But Ridley makes no sense especially in the 3rd round, after the 5th maybe.  John Moffitt was taken 2 spots later.  Swap Moffitt for Ridley and I'd feel a lot better about this draft.  Right now I'd give it a C- even with the extra picks next year.  With all the ammo we had, we mis-fired IMO.  We still have 4 more picks tomorrow and there is still talent on the board so hopefully we land a couple of gems tomorrow. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    yeah i agree, moffit woulda really helped!
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : I don't completely agree with this. We didn't get teh pass rusher or a DL to upgrade the front 7, but the back of the D was upgraded for sure. Espeically if you consider Pats7393 depth chart, where he has Bodden at FS with Chung at SS, McCourty and Dowling at CB. That is an upgrade at both the CB and S position. If that depth chart has any ioda of truth, that to me is an upgrade for sure and gives us one of the best secondaries in the league. With Warren back, that upgrades the front 3/4 as compared to last year. The only missing piece again, is that dominant pass rusher. Maybe we can create some pressure from Moore, Cunningham, Fletcher,TBC. Maybe the improvemnt of the secondary helps the front 7...I'm reaching man.
    Posted by PatsLifer


    Is Bodden who's never played FS an upgrade over Meriweather right now? You'd be hard pressed to say he definitely is. Is an untested rookie an upgrade over a pro-bowl CB? I can't say that our secondary is any better then it was last year. You are just moving a couple known pieces and moving in a couple unknown with the possibility they might slightly upgrade.

    On top of that we still don't know how Warren is going to come back from his knee injury and we still have JAGs at LDE and LOLB
     
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    scenerio i thought of overnight after draft: the pats traded to get another 1st and second round pick and didnt draft a olb/de. chiefs franchised tamb hali this year. the pats use the picks they traded for to get one of the best olb/de in the league in tamba hali. this would def make sense, and make this draft day wheeling and dealing one of the best drafts ever. on another note, cameron wimberly is another free agen option. thoughts? would u do it? i would in a heartbeat!!!!
     
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    well and good, but i have to agree with those, including some of the more conservative members of the core here, that bb is at best, an avg evaluator of talent. any of you that may be gasping,  i'm saying the emperor seems to have no clothes. kraft will never do it, but in my opinion, bb is a great coach who would benefit from a great gm making the picks like most of the other better franchises in the nfl.
    further, the organization would do better by hiring real off and def coordinators to have on staff, instead of trying to make guys into them.
    if we did these things we would go from being a good franchise to maybe better even than the steelers in the annals of history.

    night women and gents
     
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