Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***
posted at 3/26/2011 10:33 AM EDT
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : I feel your passion man...I hope that didn't come across wrong!.. Anyhow, I'm with you. It's going to take a really bold move up for Miller (5), a bold move up for Watt (9), and probably a liveable move up for Quinn (11/12). Sitting at 17 and even trading up a spot or two isn't going to get us much. The 2 teams in front of us are not threatening, unless San Diego tries to leap frog. So, you may want to go 2 spots for Jordan if he is the guy. If we want Watt, we have to worry starting at 9 with Dallas, and continuing with 10 (Washington) and 11 (Houston)...All 3-4 teams, all in need of a DE. I would argue however that Houston is probably more in need of a Phil Taylor (NT), than a guy like Watt, but Watt would still serve a valuable purpose especially with the pillsberry doughboy taking over the D. Therefore, if Watt is our guy, I think we need to insure he doesn't go to Dallas starting at 9 and going through Houston at 11. I think 12 is too late. If we want him, we need to do 17/60/124 (even then we would be a bit short, but Dallas might take it.) On the other hand, if Jordan is our guy, I am 75/25 he makes it to 17. Jacksonville could be a threat, but I think they go Kerrigan..what about 9-11 with all those 3-4 teams packed in there?....I don' think he goes that early. I think our little community mock proved that (thanks Pats7393 for starting). My brain is racked over trying to figure out what BB might do. I have a ton of respect for the guy and can imagine the preparation he and his team go through to get to this point. Before I post my mock, or what I think could happen, can anyone give me an objective opinion on Watt vs. Jordan in our defense? Which guy do you believe has the most value/versatility to us, and please consider potential draft position as well...forthis one, lets assume Watt at 9 and Jordan t 17.
Posted by PatsLifer
Thanks, we are all passionate. I like Watt better than Jordan as I've stated but Watt at 9 giving up 17/60/124 vs. Jordan at 17, if those were choices, I'd stay put at 17 and take Jordan. By the way, we now know we are at 125 with only one 3rd round comp pick awarded.
If Watt is a must (and I'm not saying he is) we have to find a way to get there without giving up 3 picks. We must also consider Dallas' needs. They aren't going to move out of 9 unless they see they can get the player they want. Dallas' top needs IMO are DE, OT, CB, OG, FS, SS in that order. They never take OL in the 1st and there are no safeties worthy of a 1st. This means Dallas has to see a CB or DE at 17 that makes sense to them unless they are finally going to break their pattern and take a Pouncey or OT at 17. Dallas might be willing to take a shot at Jimmy Smith at 17 but they have to assume DET won't reach for their top need, CB.
We know two teams expressed interest in moving up to 9. I only assume it was a team looking to take Amukamara, but we shouldn't rule out Quinn, Jones or Newton being the target. STL may want to jump ahead of WAS for Jones. HOU and DET want the CB and MIN may want to get ahead of WAS for Newton. These smaller moves back are safer for Dallas unless of course they really want to target OL, then 17 makes the most sense. To get to 9, we could do 17/28 for 9/71. OUCH!! Or 17/33/125 for 9/71. That's too much. Ironically I'd be fine with 17/28 for Miller but no not fine with either of those deals for Watt.
Bottom line, I can't see us going to 9 for Watt. We don't even know if BB thinks DL is a priority.
We've discussed Miller and Watt. What about Quinn? Mayock seems to think he's a 43 DE but a lot of 34 teams needing an OLB are interested in him. If Quinn gets past SF at 7, there are no 34 teams needing an OLB until the Pats at 17 except maybe HOU at 11. Also equally interesting, the only 43 team after 7 needing a DE are MIN (12) and JAX (16). DET (13) may go Quinn if they don't get a CB or take OL. If MIN takes a QB, Quinn could drop all the way to 16. Do we leap frog JAX for him?
Is there a case to be made where Quinn gets past 8? If there is, he could free fall all the way to 16 unless someone moves up. Candidates to move up are TB (20), NO (24) and NYG (19), and KC (21). We would be in a great position to move up for Quinn if he falls past MIN. If Watt goes and both Jordan and Quinn get past MIN, look out. We could do something. DET could very well take one of them then whomever is left makes it to 16.