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    [QUOTE]Why not?  #17...Aldon Smith, OLB....#28....traded to Cincinnati for 2012 first , 2012 third and switch seconds.....#33....traded to San Fran, for #45, #71, and 2012 second....#35....Derek Sherrod,, OT......#45....Ryan Williams, RB....#71....Stephen Wisniewski,OG....#76....Torrey Smith, WR.....#95....Gregg Romeus,  D....with an extra 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year...the rich get richer....
    Posted by mountainmonkey[/QUOTE]

    Love the three pics for next year - no help for the dline, however. You must think they'll be ok with Ty Warren coming back?
     
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    [QUOTE]For all the guys on this board clamouring for a RB take this into consideration Eric Kettani will be in camp this season provided he decides too play football and doesn't re-up with the Navy,also there are several quality RB's who will be available on the FA market. Ryan Kerrigan,JJ Watt or Jordan Cameron or will BB abstain and hope Bowers or Clayborn fall to him in the second round? I still see a more pressing need for interior linemen so I'll stick with my original guess that BB drats the top rated OLineman on his board with one of his first round picks.
    Posted by sportsbozo1[/QUOTE]

    sb
    I've been talking about Kettani for a while, I think he's a player that will make the team.  He is a BB type guy, reports I saw when showed up in camp are he was in great shape.  Will take him some time to get back into game shape but the guy will work himself into a roster spot.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : Looked to me and I'm not reading too much into this but if I had to here's what my impression was. They presented the O not the D, guys at top looked pretty much as you would expect in some positions and some others was not (OT).  They had Lee Ziemba ranked as the 6th OT?  meaning 2nd round grade?!  So what am I thinking, they don't care about other positions to hide much of what they think except for the D side and possible the OT spot. What if a team thinks of Ziemba as a higher ranked guy because he's even mentioned there.  Also D could be what they are targeting early, first 3 picks and end of 2nd and 3rd they address OL.  Just a thought but I would say that board is not going to be something others teams pay much attention too.
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]No surpise on rating Ziemba that high he was rated as the best blocker in the SEC.
     
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              If they can land Ijalana and Moffitt(or Bolling,Rackley,Henry,etc.)their shortage at G is resolved.If they can trade 17 back to 22-24,I would be more than happy to grab Carimi at that point(I still feel he is the best fit for the Pats at OT..I also feel Solder will come on much quicker than many believe with his intelligence,work ethic and sheer athletic skills).At 28 or 33,and it's hard to believe at least one of these picks will not be traded,I take any OLB or DE that slips and i'd be willing to wager one will slip,someone always does.I'd be happy with Houston or Brooks at OLB or Heyward at DE(I'd prefer to deal 33 over 28 because I just feel that over-night some team will decide they have to grab a particular player and will pay what 28 would bring).
     
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    Lifer - I just rewatched it and they actually have Gronk as a 8.7 grade much better then Spikes so they must have really thought high on him. No wonder why they traded up.

    7393 - Some couple thousand posts ago I mention Ziemba as a pontential guy but dropped off after seeing his times. If he didn't have knee surgery I think he would have been in the conversation for a 1st round pick. He had great agility, quick feet, and his hand placement was top notch. Now the surgery was in 08 and he never missed a game because of it but his 5.4 times somes he never fully recovered considerig his speed was a assest before the injury. His desire to get back on the field did a disservice to him and he would have been better off taking a season off to fully recover truthfully. I'd be concerned about him needing to go back in and clean out a couple of things but if the doctors give him the thumbs up he'd be a steal in the 5th given a couple years to develop.
     
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    Tom Keiser/DE/Stanford, had announced/scheduled a workout yesterday after Taiwan Jones was finished. No teams showed up for the workout. ???
     
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    [QUOTE]Tom Keiser/DE/Stanford, had announced/scheduled a workout yesterday after Taiwan Jones was finished. No teams showed up for the workout. ???
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    Wow, where did you read that?
     
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    Ha, I just watched that video you guys are talking about. Very funny actually. No way BB lets anything real and actual like that out. If anything its purposeful misinformation, imo, but realistic enough with players adhering to known patriots tendencies to make you stop and think.

    I do not think the Patriots always look BPA but they are in range of the BPA when filling a need.

    Remember it is a fictitious board. Even if the Patriots drafted Cunningham in the 2nd round because of need I am not sure there were not other players rated higher than 5 at the same position, at that draft slot. I really do not believe those are "all" the real numbers those players had on the real board.

    Remember the saying goes that well telling a lie it's best to include some known truths within the lie to make it more believable.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : Wow, where did you read that?
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    Came over my twitter feed from one of the draft site. FOrget which one , might have been draft zoo.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : Came over my twitter feed from one of the draft site. FOrget which one , might have been draft zoo.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    It had to have been poor planning/communication by his agent, no way this kid gets zero interest, ha.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : It had to have been poor planning/communication by his agent, no way this kid gets zero interest, ha.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    Yeah I agree, even the 49rs who have need at OLB?  His old coach would had sent someone there at least I think he would had.

    He's not a terrible player either, I'm sure a couple of teams are taking a chance on him in later rounds.  He needs to add some lbs but could be a decent pass rusher.
     
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    John McClain of the Houston Chronicle hears the Redskins are "trying like crazy" to trade up for one of this year's elite quarterbacks.

    Unless the Skins offer most, if not all, of their 2012 draft class (picks from which will be severely devalued because no one even knows if there will be a 2012 draft), we have a hard time believing Mike Shanahan can execute a trade up. They don't have a third- or fourth-round pick this year. McClain believes that the Redskins are targeting Missouri's Blaine Gabbert



    Would BB trade Mike his 28 for 41 and 2012 1st?  This would give Mike two first rounders to move up to #4 ahead of the Cards if neighter Car or Buf take Gabbert.  Would Cincy pass on gabbert?  They need a ton of help I'm sure they would like the 2 1st rounders and at 28 get a QB. 

    has this type deal ever done?
     
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    Here's the latest on Mike Pouncey from an atricle on Foxsports.com " Mike says he'll be absolutely shocked if he's not drafted by the Cowboys" Wow! As far as trading with the Ex-Broncos HC I'm not sure of the relationship between the two but I doubt BB gives more than he gets in any trade this year,he's in the drivers seat this year and he knows it..
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : Love the three pics for next year - no help for the dline, however. You must think they'll be ok with Ty Warren coming back?
    Posted by teegee[/QUOTE]Sorry....#95...Gregg Romeus, DE....this is the pick that makes my mock.....BB will trade up from 95 to get him....he and Darius are the best DE's in the draft and BB will take the chance that he can stay healthy going forward..and yes, Warren is coming back and Pryor and Deaderick are getting better too...but the gambler in BB should go for Romeus hard.....
     
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    [QUOTE]Blaine Gabbert - QB - Player John McClain of the Houston Chronicle hears the Redskins are "trying like crazy" to trade up for one of this year's elite quarterbacks. Unless the Skins offer most, if not all, of their 2012 draft class (picks from which will be severely devalued because no one even knows if there will be a 2012 draft), we have a hard time believing Mike Shanahan can execute a trade up. They don't have a third- or fourth-round pick this year. McClain believes that the Redskins are targeting Missouri's Blaine Gabbert Would BB trade Mike his 28 for 41 and 2012 1st?  This would give Mike two first rounders to move up to #4 ahead of the Cards if neighter Car or Buf take Gabbert.  Would Cincy pass on gabbert?  They need a ton of help I'm sure they would like the 2 1st rounders and at 28 get a QB.  has this type deal ever done?
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]


    There are elite QB's this year?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : There are elite QB's this year?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    Well compared to last 4 years no, compared to 7th rounders maybe.
     
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    On the evening of April 28th, Joe Montana will be interviewed expressing his surprise that a "franchise" quarterback like Colin Kaepernick got into the second round....simply amazing, Joe says....don't worry, Joe,the Patriots will send the agreed amount and the check will be certified..
     
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    [QUOTE] As far as trading with the Ex-Broncos HC I'm not sure of the relationship between the two but I doubt BB gives more than he gets in any trade this year,he's in the drivers seat this year and he knows it..
    Posted by sportsbozo1[/QUOTE]

     Shanahan and BB are tight ( After he got canned in Denver - he showed up for a couple Pats practices that summer )

    Also ~ RE: Caserio Draft Footage
     On the Brian Lowe Patriots Today version

    www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=videonewsdetail&pid=48177&pcid=111">Patriots Today - Caserio gives unique glance at the draft


    There's a short clip of last years draft that clearly shows the Pats white board showing trade offers for their 2010 #47 .
    ( The Raiders were on the clock at the time with pick #44 )

    KC was offering up #50 for it. 
    Arizona was willing to part with #58 & 88
    GB was offering #56 & 86

     I went back and checked -
     The Pats ended up dealing with the Cardinals ( who took LB Daryl Washington at #47)
      Considering the Packers were offering a better deal ~ My guess is GB's guy was taken in the preceding picks 
    ( #44 Oak - DT Lamar Houston  / #45 Denver G Beatles  /#46  Giants DT Linval Joseph )

     The Pats ended up parlaying #56 ( Texans took RB Tate ) into pick #62 BRANDON SPIKES and #150 ZOLTAN MESKO

     NOTE : The other aquired ARIZONA pick turned out to not be #88 but #89 ( seems they reneged and kept their #88 - Cards took WR Andre Roberts )

     The Pats then traded #89 to the Panthers ( Armanti Edwards ) for their 2011 2nd rounder

     RECAP :

    BB took pick # 47 and turned it into:
    1) Spikes
    2) Mesko
    3) 2011's Pick #33



    ibwt




     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : ...Interesting things to note Gantt being ranked high on the board. He's generally considered a low end TE who can't catch the ball but is a great blocker. This could signify they are looking for Crumps replacement or feel that he could become a G at some point. Mallett being ranked higher then Dalton. We all know Mallett is a better prospect but given his character if they were looking for a QB early don't you think they'd consider Mallett as someone that is toxic? ...
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]


    There was a card above Newton and the only name missing below Newton was Locker. Does NWE really rank Locker above the rest?

     
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    for all you guys in the know, what are some of the better online draftcasts (free) for this years draft (full ive coverage and analysis)? i will be watching online.

    thanks


    brd/cb
     
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    I don't know if you guys saw this from last year - the ESPN Draft Machine. I thought it was a pretty neat tool (at least it was, last year, when I did not have my Excel spreadhseet set up). I just found that they brought it back for this draft.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/features/draftmachine/
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey Brd When looking at the line I see a need at T (either LT or RT depending on where Vollmer lies), G (at least LG because I don't think Mankins will be around past this year, maybe RG but Connolly looked decent this year an might be able to hold the position down for another year), and C (Koppens future replacement). The problem is I think Tyron Smith is gone with Dal or Det and Castonzo has injury concerns. On top of the injury concerns if people don't think BB will go after Watt because of his agent Castonzo has the same guy. In my mind that leaves pretty much Camiri at the T position. Now I like Camiri but in the mid 20's not at 17 and the problem is I feel either Indy or Phi will grab him before we have a chance to unless we trade back #17 to either TB or KC. So to me the best option is to not get a T this year, resign Light for 2-3 years (even if it's 5-6mil a year), keep a heavy TE set with Crump on Lights side, trade into the 1st next year to get one of the better T's next year, and give him time to work into the lineup next year. Now if T isn't taken early I think they target G's that have experience at the T position. Players like Carpenter, Morris, Rackley, Gilbert, Cannon, Ijalana or Boiling. This allows them to get a G for the future but protects them this year in case they need a T in a pinch. All of these are in the 2-4th range. With the C's I think they go for a project C with high upside that can take a year under Koppen and learn the position. 2 names to keep an eye on are Linnenkohl and Taylor. Both are pure C's with high upside that can be coached up. C is one of those positions I think they feel the best ones are towards the back of the draft that have all the tools but can be built up around the line. How I see this playing out is that they grab 3 OL this draft with plans to grab a T next year. My gut is telling me they will grab a C in the 5th-6th round range and pick up a couple of G's that can also play the RT position and see where they best fit in the late 2nd - 4th area. One thing to note is that the Pats have some of the best OL coaches and scouting teams in the game and they pride themselves on finding talent that can be coached up. Vollmer, Light, and Mankins were the biggest names to be taken early but looking at it none of them were big names going into the draft and everyone thought both Mankins and Vollmer were major reaches. I would not expect them to take a big name early in the draft simply because it's so against their mo when drafting OL. But, I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a Morris or Rackley in the late 2nd and have everyone say they reached on them or even a Boren in the 3rd or Lapham in the 5th.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    hey eng,
     thanks for all the detail and analysis. i may come back when i have a chance to comment (something to offer).  i agree on the g/t, was my thought going that way as well. thanks for the knoweldge-depth.

    have you seen costanzo drop yet? i have not.

    if bb and co can turn low round and mid round lineman into "a" class lineman consistently, that is a huge advantage for us.
     
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    [QUOTE]With 2 weeks left and more news breaking out about injury concerns and more red flags popping up here's my best 32 mock draft #1 Car Cam Newton QB - Car needs a QB and needs to get their fan base excited again. Newton fills both with his big name as well as potential but if he ever lives up to it is anyone's guess. #2 Den Marcell Dareus DT/DE - Den is a 43 no wait a 34 no wait a 43. Who knows what is going on in the mile high but they need pass rushers and serious line help. This is an easy pick #3 Buf Von Miller LB - I originally had them taking a QB but with reports they might be alright with their ivy leaguer (who I like a lot) they fix that poor rushing D. buf had the 2nd worst rushing D in the league and with Brady and Sanchez in the division getting to the QB is paramount #4 Cin AJ Green WR - Mike Brown is a stubborn vengeful owner who is more opt to want to stick it to Palmer then not. So they take the best WR here and might look for a QB in round 2 #5 Ari Blaine Gabbert QB - Ari is sad that Von Miller is gone but pleasantly shocked that Gabbert made it to them. It's an easy pick for them #6 Cle Patrick Peterson CB - Cle has a history of bad pick after bad pick so they finally take a safe pick with the person who might be the best of the draft #7 SF  Prince Amu CB - SF was hoping Cle would pass on Peterson but Amu as a consolation prize works for them #8 Tenn Nick Fairley DE - Despite the red flags tenn doesn't seem to really care how most of their players act. Fairley is a boom or bust player and Tenn likes to gamble #9 Dal Tyron Smith OT - Way to early for a T you say? I agree but there new coach is O minded and they need to protect Romo. Most agree trading out of the top 10 is difficult at best but at least they get their T to build around #10 Was Julio Jones WR - Was needs everything but a franchise WR is a good place to start. Now if only they could replace their entire D and QB with this one pick too #11 Hou Robert Quinn LB - Hou can't believe that he made it out of the top 10 and gladly scopes up the high talent LB that could make their D #12 Minn Jake Locker QB - Minn loves Locker and rumor is that Mia, Sea, and yes even Indy could be looking for a new QB. There's also BB and his mind tricks that makes Minn believe that Locker won't make it to the late 1st yet alone the 2nd #13 NE J.J. Watt DE - NE makes the first trade of the draft moving up 4 spots giving up a 4th to get it done. Det is looking T and with concerns over Castonzo's injury there is no T worth spending #13 on so they gladly move back picking up an extra pick. It was a hard choice between Jordan and Watt truthfully but Watt is a better rusher while Jordan is more stout in the run game. NE moves up here to prevent SD from doing the same or risking Watt not making it past Stl or Jax #14 Stl Corey Liuget DT - Stl needs someone they can put next to Long and Liuget seems like a perfect fit for their scheme. He can stay inside or move outside either way he takes on blockers and pushes them backwards which should take the pressure off Long and open him up more #15 Mia Ryan Mallett QB - I can hear it now, Huh, really? Rumors out there are that Mia loves the kid but are trying to play it off that they wouldn't take him at 15, only if they trade down. It smells like they want Mallett but know they could get him a couple spots down. The problem being they have no 2nd round pick to trade back into the 1st and at 15 it's hard to see who someone would want to trade all the way up for. With so many QB needy teams out there Mia decides not to risk it if they can't get a trade done and gets their QB. #16 Jax Aldon Smith DE/OLB - In Jax system Smith is a perfect flex player that can line up at 43 or drop back to OLB in exotic blitzes. Perfect fit for them #17 Det Anthony Castonzo OT - #13 was to high to take a chance on Castonzo but at #17 he's an instant upgrade to protect their franchise player #18 SD Jordan Cameron DE - SD takes NE's sloppy seconds and likes it. I think they would have preferred Watt but they aren't disappointed in Jordan falling to them #19 NYG Mike Pouncey OG - NYG need some major O line help. Do go interior or exterior? Carimi and Solder are still on the board but they take the one who could become a dominant G in Pouncey #20 TB Justin Houston DE/OLB - Like Jax Houston fits TB to a T and it seems like TB is drooling over the kid. It will be hard to pass of Kerrigan but once TB gets fixated on a player he's theirs #21 KC Phil Taylor NT - KC needs a NT to anchor their D and taylor fits that mold. He's the poor mans Wilfork for the wannabe Patriots #22 Indy Nate Solder OT - Indy has put up such a smokescreen around what's happening with Manning that people are wondering if they start rebuilding their D or drafting a QB in preparation of losing Manning. However, it seems like a ploy to me and the best way to entice Manning back is to rebuild that line and say we'll do whatever it takes to protect you. #23 Phi Gabe Camiri OT - Phi is bringing back Vick and they desperately need to protect their investment. Camiri is the best OL left on the board so they gladly take him #24 NO Da'Quan Bowers DL - NO has tasted success and wants to get back but their D is preventing it. Bowers fall from grace finally ends here with NO willing to take the risk on a player once considered a possible #1 pick to fix their D #25 Sea Christian Ponder QB - Sea needs a lot of things but the biggest is QB. They tasted the playoffs and know they won't get a chance at another QB in the 2nd so they grab Ponder here. #26 Bal Cameron Heyward DE - His name has been placed with Bal for some time now. They could go CB but with Smith's character concerns Heyward is the safer bet #27 Atl Ryan Kerrigan DE/OLB - Alt is looking for a new DE who can drop back to a OLB when needed. Even though Kerrigan doesn't completely have the ability to drop back and cover he has shown that he can adapt and learn quickly. Taking one of the most consistent pass rusher in the draft at #27 is a steal for Alt #28 NE Brooks Reed OLB - Everyone thinks NE won't keep both picks and many think that a QB hungry team would be ready to move up here but with 5 QB's already gone I can't see to many takers. BB already regrets not taking Matthews and you can easily see the comparison from Reed to Matthews. Pitt, NYJ, GB and Chi could all use Reeds services and it's hard to believe he'd make it past all 4 to #33 so NE grabs their fabled pass rushing OLB here choosing to tade back #33 instead #29 Chi Danny Watkins G/T - Even with Sherrod on the board Watkins is someone who can step in day 1 and instantly upgrade the Bears O line which needs desperate help in both G and T positions #30 NYJ Muhammad Wilkerson DE - Rexy needs more bigger lineman and can work with someone who as the right tools to turn them into a force. Wilkerson is a boom or back-up player. He has the ability to become a very solid 5 tech DE and at worst I see him as a back-up. He's the type of player Rexy would love to coach up to his potential #31 Pitt Derek Sherrod T - Pitt's T's are bad and it's getting Big Ben hit more then he should. They gladly take the last major T off the board #32 GB Adrian Clayborn - GB needs to replace one of it's linemen (RE specifically) for obvious reasons. Clayborn has a ton of talent if he's put in the right situation with the right team. It just so happens a team with a need for a RE is looking in his direction. This is a good situation for GB and for Clayborn to be used to his maximum effectiveness Just because NE has pick #33 I'll toss this one in as well #33 Was Colin Kaepernick QB - With 5 QB's gone in the 1st round and only Dalton and Kaepernick worth considering in the 2nd Was see's Tenn, Cinn, SF, and Buf all who might grab what's left over in front of them. Was makes the big move up paying more then they should. What did they give up? Since they have no 3rd and their 1st next year has to be included to get a QB they trade #41, #144 and their 1st next year and get back #33 and #74. It's  win win for both sides as Was gets a new QB to complement there new WR, still gets a chance to grab someone with an early 3rd and NE gets a 1st round pick that most likely will be a early to mid teen pick next year
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]


    eng,
    re your mock pick 28 (reed).,
    if it goes down like this at 27 (kerrigan),

    what is your evaluation of reed vs kerrigan. if you like reed better , why. if not, is the difference not worth trading up a spot or 2 to get the one you rate better?

    thanks
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : There was a card above Newton and the only name missing below Newton was Locker. Does NWE really rank Locker above the rest?
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]
    Well I am guessing Gabbert is also above Newton since I dont see him.

    Anyways been reading this thread all season but never contributed. Great stuff.

    If you see in the video they dont have any of the letters next to the players grade/speed/height/weight like Mike Reiss shows is on a usual card so pretty sure those are either early versions of cards or are fake.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4694845/closer-look-at-elements-of-a-draft-card
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***

    That wasn't the Pats draft board. It was a prop made up by Patriots Football Weekly.
     

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