Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***
posted at 4/22/2011 5:30 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK***
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED 2/19 w/ PRE-COMBINE MOCK*** : I'm still catching up but stopped on this post. Lifer, did you see the Butch Davis interview yesterday on PttD? He had nothing but praise for Marvin Austin. In fact he described a 30 min press conference he gave at UNC's Pro Day in front of all 32 teams where he talked about what good kids Austin, Quinn and Little were. He said they each made a mistake which cost them the season but they weren't involved in criminal activities, it was a NCAA rules violation and that each made a dumb choice and have accepted responsibility for their mistakes. Each player has been working hard to stay in shape and prepare themselves for their pro career and that he gives all three his strong recommendation. That said, I am not sold that the Pats feel DL is a top need like many on here. I agree with the arguments, I just don't think BB does. But if we consider which positions/players we could draft that can step in and start or contribute day ONE I think outside of Watt/Jordan there isn't a DL type there when operating in a base 34. If we are looking for a nickel 43 DT for passing situations, I think a slipping Fairley, a Liuget or Austin could come in day 1 and give us some interior speed and pressure up the middle. I would like Fairley at 17 or either Austin or Liuget in that 28 - 33 range. We have problems getting off the field on 3rd down and adding an interior DT type that is explosive would seem valuable in addressing that. Austin would have been a top 15 pick if not for the incident with the agent. He was the most dominant player in his all star game. He's been doing everything right this post season. He has something to prove and I believe who ever gets him will get a player possessed who will be extremely disruptive. If BB becomes comfortable with the kid, look at Austin's measurables compared to the other top 43 DT talent? Dareus 6-3, 319, 4.93, 24 reps Fairley 6-4, 291, 4.84 , N/A reps Liuget 6-2, 298, 4.97 31 reps Wilkerson 6-4, 315, 4.96, 27 reps Paea 6-1, 303, 4.98, 49 reps Austin 6-2, 309, 4.84, 38 reps Austin's 4.84 ties Fairley as the best in this group and he's 18 lbs heavier!! His 38 reps were easily the best except for super human Paea who has some injury concerns. I'll make this prediction, if Austin keeps his head on straight he could end up being the best pro in this group.
Posted by Faucetman
Thanks Faucet. No, I didn't catch the BDavis interview. I don't doubt Austin's talent. IN fact, I think he is one of the best 4-3 DT's coming out this year and would love to have him. As you say, instantly upgrades our front 4 when we are in it. I might even try his hand at 3-4 DE given his speed and strength. if he was 2 inches taller, amazing. Personally, I'll take his strength and speed and give up the 2 inches. He's not like Jordan, a good 15lbs shy of 300. What are your thoughts on playing him at 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE?
I really like the thought of drafting Kerrigan and Austin. I think that woudl be a significant upgrade for the D, and I don't think it would require us taking 2 1st rounders to do it. Where Austin goes is anyone's guess. Most recently, I've seen him mocked top of round 2, somewhere between 34-42. I think there are a ton of teams atop round 2 that could use him, including Denver and Cleveland. If we are sold on him, we might have to burn pick 33 to take him, and trade 28 out as most are now suggesting. I'm good with that actually, espeically if we can get Kerrigan at 15 or 17, trade 28 out, and pick Austin at 33.
I guess the question is are we in a 4 man line enough to warrant a pick that high on Austin? 33 or slightly lower may be the last chance to pick up one of the top 5-6 OT's this year...not including Pats7393's man Carpenter.
If we can do the above, and grab a CB in round 2, I think we can turn our attention to offense and fixing the line. I like Carpenter as well. I can't imagine him moving way up into the 1st unless there is a serious run on tackles. I don't think he will last til the 3rd either. He will command a low 2nd...
What about this haul.
17 /> Kerrigan
28 /> traded (2011 2nd, 2012 2nd), or the San Diego idea is great as well if they bit. For this mock, I'm going to assume the Redskins trade us 41 for 28 plus their 2nd next year. Is that enough?
33 /> Austin
41 /> RCobb
60 /> Wisneski
74 /> Carpenter
92 /> JPatrick