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    I hope my internet connnection stays steady tonight. Radio will help, but no tv. Radio and tv tend to blah blah blah about a few top guys anyway. Internet is where its at for rumors, instant analysis, and player highlights. Don't fail me now, lady I.
     
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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/patriots-have-spoken-with-browns-about-sixth-pick/

    Here's an interesting tidbit...Pats talking to Browns about trading up to #6. File this in rumor category. But worth a read.
     
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    MY FINAL 2011 DRAFT PROJECTIONS


    I’d love to see BB make a move up the draft board to land Prince Amukamara, assuming he doesn’t, below is my final mock.  For pick one, I think it’s down to a three headed monster of Kerrigan, Castonzo and Jordan.  I’ll stay with my post one choice of Ryan Kerrigan.  Similar to last year, I’ll also provide my top 20 alternatives.
     

    The Mock: 
    17- Ryan Kerrigan- OLB/DE- Purdue- The pass rusher of the future.

    28- Muhammad Wilkerson- DT/DE- Temple- The next in a successful line of 1st Rd DE’s.

    33- Randall Cobb- WR/AP- Kentucky-  Dynamic offensive player that could be the future at slot.

    60- James Carpenter-OT/OG- Alabama- Proven SEC tackle, Nick Saban Pedigree.

    74- Shane Vereen-RB- Cal- Versatile back that would fit in well with Benny  & Woody.

    92- Stefen Wisniewski-OG/C- Penn State- Versatile, smart, tough, could play OG or C, solid player.

    4th- Buster Skrine- CB- UT Chattanooga- Has the speed, agility and COD ability that BB covets in his CB’s.

    5th- Mark Herzlich- OLB/ILB- BC- Tough, instinctive, smart, high character, great motor, versatile.

    6th- Tim Barnes C/OG- Missouri- Good size, speed, quicks and smarts to fit their zone scheme. 

    Top 20 Alternatives: 

    Anthony Castonzo- OT- BC
    Cameron Jordan- DT/DE- Cal
    Mike Pouncey- OG/C- Florida
    Danny Watkins- OG/OT- Baylor
    Mark Ingram- RB- Alabama
    Kyle Rudoph- TE- ND
    Jabaal Sheard- OLB/DE- Pitt
    Brooks Reed- OLB/DE- Arizona
    Andy Dalton- QB- TCU
    Aaron Williams- CB/S- Texas
    Rock Carmicheal- CB- VT
    Ricky Elmore- OLB-DE- Arizona
    Greg Romeus- OLB/DE- Pitt
    Mason Foster- ILB- Washington
    Owen Marecic- FB/LB- Stanford
    Ricky Stanzi- QB- Iowa
    Greg McElroy- QB- Alabama
    Jeremy Beal- OLB/ILB- Oklahoma
    Jarvis Jenkins- DT/DE- Clemson
    Tyler Sash- S- Iowa 

    7th– URFA: 

    Mike Person- OT/OG- Montana State
    Darren Evans- RB- VT
    Julian Vandervelde- OG- Iowa
    Jeff Tarpinian- LB- Iowa
    Alex Wujciak- LB- Maryland
    Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon
    Kealoha Pilares- WR- Hawaii
    Mana Silva- S- Hawaii
    Ricky Lumpkin- DT/DE- Kentucky
    Noel Devine- RB- WVU
    Shane Bannon- FB- Yale
    Justin Trattou- DE/OLB- Florida
    Darrin Walls- CB- ND
    Preston Dial- FB/TE/HB- Alabama 



    Lastly, to comment on one of the most hotly debated topics overall, do the Pat’s take a undersize edge player, (i.e. Dontay Moch or Chris Carter etc.)?  I didn’t list either player in the top 20 because they’ve shown no willingness to take pure pass rush specialists, but personally, I’d love to see what they could do with one of these kids.

    GO PATS!

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : If you think that is bizarro which it is, you should check out what Parcells thinks. 1. He has Prince going ahead of Peterson 2. Only gives 2 QB's 1st round grades (not that bizarre actually) 3. He gives Brooks Reed a 4th round grade 4. He gives Carimi a 3rd round grade 5. Puts UCF Jah Reid ahead of Carimi. I don't recall Jah Reid even brought up by any mockers. etc., etc. He is either wise beyond wise, or losing his mind. His player grading system this year is probably the most drastically different that I have seen as compared to anyone else. There's the pack (Mayock, Kiper, McShay, Gosselin, etc.) who more or less gives similar grades, and then theres Parcells who is way out there.
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    1) He probably just thinks Prince fits the D he would run better. It was interesting , however, to see that position rank given his comments about Prince having short arms for his prototypical CB.

    I would want P2 BUT the reason I want P2 is to play FS NOT CB.

    2) Everyone knows by now i am not a huge Brooks Reed guy. Quick guy but no where as quick as Mathews. However the even more discerning difference to me is that even though Reed has great weight room strength and also weighs in the 260's be plays light. He's top heavy and does not play with functional football power. He's thicker from the waist up than he is from the waist down. If he does not beat his man from speed I rarely see him have the power to push through to the QB. His rush angles are almost always way to wide not even causing the QB to step up in the pocket. His production in college was just ok and his counter part, Ricky Elmore, with much less athletic ability often gets to the QB more often. Not 1st but more often because his angles, more direct, and power are better. So do I dislike Reed? NO! I just think he's a very late 2nd or more 3rd round guy myself.

    3) There have been a ton of rumors that teams had dropped Carimi from anywhere between 3rd and 6th round because of his combine. I think that was more reactionary and too much. I had posted on here long ago that he has awful feet and athleticism but no matter he still gets the job done. That being said I am sure moving to the NFL level you will get many who feel those deficiencies will be more greatly exposed. Just about everyone on this board at this point thinks he's best suited for the right side so that also probably plays into it. I still think you stick to the fact he succeeds even though he does it in an ugly way. I understand their reactions however as I too, when watching him in combine agility and footwork drills, was saying to myself "Oh my he looks like a big uncoordinated baby huey".

    If any of you have any significant experience coaching, myself 20 years worth, you've experienced players like him.

    Heck Corey Liguet is another guy. Great football player but did you watch him run around in shorts at the combine? Awful "looking" athlete moving around!

    For me , although difficult sometimes, have to put that out of my head cause players surprise me all the time.

    Parcells however may have developed a principle to drop such players down depending on the position. The OT has to use his feet to move much greater distances on many plays with is being a passing league. Liguet by comparison is moving in very confined space on the inside DL.
     
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    [QUOTE]MY FINAL 2011 DRAFT PROJECTIONS I’d love to see BB make a move up the draft board to land Prince Amukamara, assuming he doesn’t, below is my final mock.   For pick one, I think it’s down to a three headed monster of Kerrigan, Castonzo and Jordan.   I’ll stay with my post one choice of Ryan Kerrigan.   Similar to last year, I’ll also provide my top 20 alternatives.   The Mock:   17- Ryan Kerrigan- OLB/DE- Purdue - The pass rusher of the future. 28- Muhammad Wilkerson- DT/DE - Temple- The next in a successful line of 1 st Rd DE’s. 33- Randall Cobb- WR/AP- Kentucky -   Dynamic offensive player that could be the future at slot. 60- James Carpenter-OT/OG- Alabama - Proven SEC tackle, Nick Saban Pedigree. 74- Shane Vereen-RB- Cal - Versatile back that would fit in well with Benny   & Woody. 92- Stefen Wisniewski-OG/C - Penn State- Versatile, smart, tough, could play OG or C, solid player. 4th- Buster Skrine- CB- UT Chattanooga - Has the speed, agility and COD ability that BB covets in his CB’s. 5th- Mark Herzlich- OLB/ILB- BC - Tough, instinctive, smart, high character, great motor, versatile. 6th- Tim Barnes C/OG- Missouri - Good size, speed, quicks and smarts to fit their zone scheme.   Top 20 Alternatives:   Anthony Castonzo- OT- BC Cameron Jordan- DT/DE- Cal Mike Pouncey- OG/C- Florida Danny Watkins- OG/OT- Baylor Mark Ingram- RB- Alabama Kyle Rudoph- TE- ND Jabaal Sheard- OLB/DE- Pitt Brooks Reed- OLB/DE- Arizona Andy Dalton- QB- TCU Aaron Williams- CB/S- Texas Rock Carmicheal- CB- VT Ricky Elmore- OLB-DE- Arizona Greg Romeus- OLB/DE- Pitt Mason Foster- ILB- Washington Owen Marecic- FB/LB- Stanford Ricky Stanzi- QB- Iowa Greg McElroy- QB- Alabama Jeremy Beal- OLB/ILB- Oklahoma Jarvis Jenkins- DT/DE- Clemson Tyler Sash- S- Iowa   7 th – URFA:   Mike Person- OT/OG- Montana State Darren Evans- RB- VT Julian Vandervelde- OG- Iowa Jeff Tarpinian- LB- Iowa Alex Wujciak- LB- Maryland Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon Kealoha Pilares- WR- Hawaii Mana Silva- S- Hawaii Ricky Lumpkin- DT/DE- Kentucky Noel Devine- RB- WVU Shane Bannon- FB- Yale Justin Trattou- DE/OLB- Florida Darrin Walls- CB- ND Preston Dial- FB/TE/HB- Alabama   Lastly, to comment on one of the most hotly debated topics overall, do the Pat’s take a undersize edge player, (i.e. Dontay Moch or Chris Carter etc.)?   I didn’t list either player in the top 20 because they’ve shown no willingness to take pure pass rush specialists, but personally, I’d love to see what they could do with one of these kids. GO PATS!
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    I agree.

    When i listed them in my "sub outside LB" group it was, admittedly, self indulgence.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : I would love to see Jordan make it to us at 17. The point in time I turned away from the link you sent is when they opened it up with, "lets channel the spirit of Mel Kiper"...to add insult to injury, they have us taking Ayers at 28 and Mallett at 33..if that happened I would basically throw up. SO, like 17, hate 28 and 33.
    Posted by PatsLifer

     
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    [QUOTE]MY FINAL 2011 DRAFT PROJECTIONS I’d love to see BB make a move up the draft board to land Prince Amukamara, assuming he doesn’t, below is my final mock.   For pick one, I think it’s down to a three headed monster of Kerrigan, Castonzo and Jordan.   I’ll stay with my post one choice of Ryan Kerrigan.   Similar to last year, I’ll also provide my top 20 alternatives.   The Mock:   17- Ryan Kerrigan- OLB/DE- Purdue - The pass rusher of the future. 28- Muhammad Wilkerson- DT/DE - Temple- The next in a successful line of 1 st Rd DE’s. 33- Randall Cobb- WR/AP- Kentucky -   Dynamic offensive player that could be the future at slot. 60- James Carpenter-OT/OG- Alabama - Proven SEC tackle, Nick Saban Pedigree. 74- Shane Vereen-RB- Cal - Versatile back that would fit in well with Benny   & Woody. 92- Stefen Wisniewski-OG/C - Penn State- Versatile, smart, tough, could play OG or C, solid player. 4th- Buster Skrine- CB- UT Chattanooga - Has the speed, agility and COD ability that BB covets in his CB’s. 5th- Mark Herzlich- OLB/ILB- BC - Tough, instinctive, smart, high character, great motor, versatile. 6th- Tim Barnes C/OG- Missouri - Good size, speed, quicks and smarts to fit their zone scheme.   Top 20 Alternatives:   Anthony Castonzo- OT- BC Cameron Jordan- DT/DE- Cal Mike Pouncey- OG/C- Florida Danny Watkins- OG/OT- Baylor Mark Ingram- RB- Alabama Kyle Rudoph- TE- ND Jabaal Sheard- OLB/DE- Pitt Brooks Reed- OLB/DE- Arizona Andy Dalton- QB- TCU Aaron Williams- CB/S- Texas Rock Carmicheal- CB- VT Ricky Elmore- OLB-DE- Arizona Greg Romeus- OLB/DE- Pitt Mason Foster- ILB- Washington Owen Marecic- FB/LB- Stanford Ricky Stanzi- QB- Iowa Greg McElroy- QB- Alabama Jeremy Beal- OLB/ILB- Oklahoma Jarvis Jenkins- DT/DE- Clemson Tyler Sash- S- Iowa   7 th – URFA:   Mike Person- OT/OG- Montana State Darren Evans- RB- VT Julian Vandervelde- OG- Iowa Jeff Tarpinian- LB- Iowa Alex Wujciak- LB- Maryland Jeff Maehl- WR- Oregon Kealoha Pilares- WR- Hawaii Mana Silva- S- Hawaii Ricky Lumpkin- DT/DE- Kentucky Noel Devine- RB- WVU Shane Bannon- FB- Yale Justin Trattou- DE/OLB- Florida Darrin Walls- CB- ND Preston Dial- FB/TE/HB- Alabama   Lastly, to comment on one of the most hotly debated topics overall, do the Pat’s take a undersize edge player, (i.e. Dontay Moch or Chris Carter etc.)?   I didn’t list either player in the top 20 because they’ve shown no willingness to take pure pass rush specialists, but personally, I’d love to see what they could do with one of these kids. GO PATS!
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    5700+ posts and you have not deviated from Kerrigan! Love it.

    Rumors flying around this morning about the Pats. I am with you on the combo of Kerrigan, Jordan but not Castonzo,he's another Condom product if that matters?....
    McShay reports this morning that the Pats are in love with Jordan. How this info gets leaked is beyond me, but I can see it. 

    To me, Pats staying at 17 is irrelavant. Whether it's 17 or move up/down, I'm going with Jordan or Kerrigan with the 1st pick wherever it is.
    I believe the Pats are going to have to move up to grab either one, probably more so with Kerrigan, but not that high. 
    We have potential trading partners in Dallas, Tennessee, Minny, etc. These might be good places to go grab one of these guys because San Diego has equal trading power and if they covet one of these guys, they will get aggressive. 

     
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : I would love to see Jordan make it to us at 17. The point in time I turned away from the link you sent is when they opened it up with, "lets channel the spirit of Mel Kiper"...to add insult to injury, they have us taking Ayers at 28 and Mallett at 33..if that happened I would basically throw up. SO, like 17, hate 28 and 33.
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    Honestly, I would not be surprised if the pats didn't make any of their first 3 picks(moving up with 17 and back with 28 and 33 snagging a 2012 first rounder in the process?).  I am curious as to why you do not like Ayers?  Seems to me he would be a good fit to fill the role that Rosy Colvina and Adalius Thomas never quite could.  I would also throw up if the Pats took Mallett at 33, so we are certainly on the same page there.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : 5700+ posts and you have not deviated from Kerrigan! Love it. Rumors flying around this morning about the Pats. I am with you on the combo of Kerrigan, Jordan but not Castonzo,he's another Condom product if that matters?.... McShay reports this morning that the Pats are in love with Jordan. How this info gets leaked is beyond me, but I can see it.  To me, Pats staying at 17 is irrelavant. Whether it's 17 or move up/down, I'm going with Jordan or Kerrigan with the 1st pick wherever it is. I believe the Pats are going to have to move up to grab either one, probably more so with Kerrigan, but not that high.  We have potential trading partners in Dallas, Tennessee, Minny, etc. These might be good places to go grab one of these guys because San Diego has equal trading power and if they covet one of these guys, they will get aggressive.   
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    Haha, the kid just makes too much sense!

    I'm hoping the Condom thing doesn't become an issue as Castonzo is another kid that makes too much sense for BB and Co.
     
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    Pudue DE draft history in the last decade

    Rnd
    3    Cliff Avril   
    1    Anthony Spencer   
    4    Ray Edwards   
    5    Rob Ninkovich   
    4    Shaun Phillips   
    4    Rosevelt Colvin
     
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    [QUOTE]Pudue DE draft history in the last decade Rnd 3    Cliff Avril    1    Anthony Spencer    4    Ray Edwards    5    Rob Ninkovich    4    Shaun Phillips    4    Rosevelt Colvin
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    That's a pretty good track record of productive DE/OLB's there. If Kerrigan follows that path he'll be very productive too
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : That's a pretty good track record of productive DE/OLB's there. If Kerrigan follows that path he'll be very productive too
    Posted by PatsEng



    Yes sir which is why I made the post about a month ago about him not being a superstar probably but a very solid safe pick.

    That being said I do not think NE would take him at 17.

    Only because I think it would be a unique set of circumstances allowing him to be the BPA at 17 specific to the Patriots.
     
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    Have some laughs guys... Enjoy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5MxrwSl2w


     
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    I'm posting this mock but not adding which picks rather which round I think NE takes their players and sticking to current # of picks.
    1st Rnd
    Cam Jordan DE -
    He will be worked into every type of package NE runs, 4 down day 1 starter.
    2nd Rnd
    Jabaal Sheard OLB -
    Guy can rush the QB and is one of the better conversion guys against the run.  Two insidents 0 each other out, assult and saving an old lady from burning building.
    James Carpenter OT/OG - Carpenter is a player I like to be a day one starter at RT or at RG
    Allen Bailey DE/DT/OLB BB broke film down with him at Miami along with other Miami players
    3rd Rnd
    Marcus Gilbert OT -
    I'm sure when Tebow was asked about players last year it didn't only include 2010 class.  Gilbert protected his blind side, I'm sure he spoke highly of Gilbert for a good reason, good feet and moves well on the right side. 
    John Moffit OG/C- If Mankins doesn't return Moffit is a solid option to compete with Austin for that spot.
    4th Rnd
    Rob Housler WR
    - I'm not listing him as a TE for now, he's a good route runner, has a ton of power which helps release off the jam and has 4.4 speed at 6'5" 247 lbs.  Catches the ball away from the body, will run the seem or run across the middle.
    5th Rnd
    Stevan Ridley RB -
    Big back 5'11" 230 ran a 4.62 but what I liked is how he protects the football can push the pile and is a team player.  What put me over was his shuttle time 4.17 and 3 cone 6.78 (mark ingram 4.62, shuttle 4.62 3cone 7.13).  Good blocker in passing downs.
    6th Rnd
    Mark LeGree FS -
    Ballhawk FS (22 Int), small school I know but has instints to develop.  has good size for a FS, 6'0" 210 lbs.

    UDFAs I want to see:
    Justin Rogers CB - this guy is another small school kid, Richmond.  Considered a shutdown CB in that conference.  Has speed and quickness to play outside or move inside.
    Rich Lapham OT - Boston College RT, team leader.  Needs to develop but could turn into a good future RT or add depth.
    Gabe Miller OLB/Sub DE - Converted to DE before 2009 season from TE.  Speed rusher but raw as raw can be.  Team captain, great character and a buddy of mine who loves Oregon hates him (Miller played for Oregon State).
    Bryan Hall DT - 6'1" 290 inside sub rusher, watch the Louisville game.  Very quick off the snap, would push for playing time as a situational rusher. 

     
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    First round Mock:

    1. Carolina Panthers: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
    2. Denver Broncos: Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
    3. Buffalo Bills: Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
    4. Cincinnati Bengals: AJ Green, WR, Georgia
    5. Arizona Cardinals: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
    6. Cleveland Browns: Patrick Peterson, CB, Louisiana St
    7. San Francisco 49ers: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
    8. Tennessee Titans: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
    9. Dallas Cowboys: JJ Watt, DL, Wisconsin
    10. Washington Redskins: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
    11. Houston Texans: Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina
    12. Minnesota Vikings: Jake Locker, QB, Washington
    13. Detroit Lions: Tyron Smith, OT, Southern California
    14. St. Louis Rams: Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
    15. Miami Dolphins: Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
    16. Jacksonville Jaguars: Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
    17. New England Patriots: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
    18. San Diego Chargers: Cameron Jordan, DL, California
    19. New York Giants: Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
    20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
    21. Kansas City Chiefs: Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
    22. Indianapolis Colts: Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
    23. Philadelphia Eagles: Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
    24. New Orleans Saints: Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
    25. Seattle Seahawks: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
    26. Baltimore Ravens: Cameron Heyward, DL, Ohio St
    27. Atlanta Falcons: Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi St
    28. New England Patriots: Muhammad Wilkerson, DL, Temple
    29. Chicago Bears: Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
    30. New York Jets: Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
    31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
    32. Green Bay Packers: Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
     
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    Is everyone posting their last minute drafts?

     
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    [QUOTE]Pudue DE draft history in the last decade Rnd 3    Cliff Avril    1    Anthony Spencer    4    Ray Edwards    5    Rob Ninkovich    4    Shaun Phillips    4    Rosevelt Colvin
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    I would say overall that seems pretty successful. Given that spans a decade, not sure how much this is pure coincidence, or the Purdue program in grooming DE's.
     
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    [QUOTE]Is everyone posting their last minute drafts?
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Ha, there you are. I was wondering when you would show up? Good timing. I think most are taking their last stabs at what may or may not happen including staying put and/or trading up, down or out.

    Have you posted any mocks? Do you have one you could share?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : I would say overall that seems pretty successful. Given that spans a decade, not sure how much this is pure coincidence, or the Purdue program in grooming DE's.
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    Yeah. I love the Purdue pedigree and was an "Avril guy" the year he came out. I don't think NE looked at him personally though, and for some reason .. they never draft the boilermakers that seem like a fit. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : Ha, there you are. I was wondering when you would show up? Good timing. I think most are taking their last stabs at what may or may not happen including staying put and/or trading up, down or out. Have you posted any mocks? Do you have one you could share?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    I was in this thread earlier. The monster threads tend to get redundant. Most people (including myself) really just keep saying the same things, and have their "guys" locked in ... so I saved myself time, lol. I have been in and out of other threads that were more topic specific. 

    I'll post mine. I'm going by the old "Faucetman" rules, where we assume zero trades -- maybe I'll post a second "trade" mock. 

    I'm interested in seeing some final mocks here. Specifically from Faucet and MBeaulieu. I haven't seen Faucet, but always like to read his stuff, and MB has posted a bunch of stacks, but I would like to read what he thinks NE does when the chips are down. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : 5700+ posts and you have not deviated from Kerrigan! Love it. Rumors flying around this morning about the Pats. I am with you on the combo of Kerrigan, Jordan but not Castonzo,he's another Condom product if that matters?.... McShay reports this morning that the Pats are in love with Jordan. How this info gets leaked is beyond me, but I can see it.  To me, Pats staying at 17 is irrelavant. Whether it's 17 or move up/down, I'm going with Jordan or Kerrigan with the 1st pick wherever it is. I believe the Pats are going to have to move up to grab either one, probably more so with Kerrigan, but not that high.  We have potential trading partners in Dallas, Tennessee, Minny, etc. These might be good places to go grab one of these guys because San Diego has equal trading power and if they covet one of these guys, they will get aggressive.   
    Posted by PatsLifer

    PatsLifer,   McShay even has the Pats trading up with Dallas for Jordan. Despite being a tad light, it would appear he's versatile, experienced and probably the safest pick at this time.
     
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    17 Cam Jordan
    28 Brooks Reed
    33 Derrick Sherrod
    60 Torrey Smith (possible short move up)
    74 Kendall Hunter
    92 Curtis Brown
    125 Jason Pinkston

    I think something like this is where I am at. I might change it. Grabbing two front seven guys in the first sounds crazy ... but I see them as totally different players. 

    Despite some reservations ... I think Cam could be the kid to play the Willie Mac role NE used so effectivey in the early part of the decade. A 4.71 average 40 time, and a 1.64 split put him on par with Aldon Smith and Kerrigan ... two guys who carry 23 lbs less than Cam. J.J. Watt is a possibility, but I think Cam's film (despire their identical workout digits) looks better to me. He could be on the field in the 34 light on 3rd down, in the 43 flex on other downs playing elephant where he could alternately stand up or be a 4th lineman. 

    Brooks Reed is the guy (outside of top ten trades) I think NE has to add. He is all character and is a specimen. The total talent at DE makes him slip low. Watching him against Iowa (2 sacks) was an eye-opener. He is physically similar to Cunningham, but more relentless, and stronger. He is also the quickest front seven athlete I see in this draft, and that is not just measurables, but on film his first step is as good as any. I wouldn't be against taking him at #17 either and grabbing someone like Heyward or someone else on the way down. He is that impressive to me. 

    I think T. SMith is a guy NE needs to look hard at ... he could change this offense. He can literally tear the top of a defense off like Desean Jackson style, but still has the physique to be a jack-knife on the inside routes and screens NE loves. I love this prospect for value. Moving up into the low 50's might be needed to get him ... I wouldn't be against grabbing him at #33 if that's what it takes and  there is a viable alternative at OL around 60. 

    Derrick Sherrod has his warts, but he is a physical prototype for a pass-pro light offense. He seems to struggle with power guys, but the people giving NE fits have been speed guys. With a little training he could be a bargain, and coming from the SEC helps his pedigree. ... he played against serious competition there. 

    I see Ne looked at about 1000 RBs and rightfully so ... there is some talent on the roster, but zero depth. I see that as a day two thing unless an absolute bargain happens. Kendall Hunter seems like he would compliment what they have. Coming from a spread offense, he had room to flash his open field ability. He has upside (which is polite to say he is underdeveloped) in pass pro, but I see him as the guy who can add some splash to the 2TE set, and NE can use Woody in the spread. 

    Curtis Brown seems like the kind of mechanically polished CB that could add some potential and immediate depth to the CB pool. He plays in the Big-Ten meaning there is a lot of tape of him BTR-ing against those wide open spreads. 

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75***

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : I was in this thread earlier. The monster threads tend to get redundant. Most people (including myself) really just keep saying the same things, and have their "guys" locked in ... so I saved myself time, lol. I have been in and out of other threads that were more topic specific.  I'll post mine. I'm going by the old "Faucetman" rules, where we assume zero trades -- maybe I'll post a second "trade" mock.  I'm interested in seeing some final mocks here. Specifically from Faucet and MBeaulieu. I haven't seen Faucet, but always like to read his stuff, and MB has posted a bunch of stacks, but I would like to read what he thinks NE does when the chips are down. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Ok, I'll give you mine although you didn't explicitly ask for it...but here's my latest mock without trades. I'll post another with trades in a bit.

    17 /> Cam Jordan
    28 /> Derrick Sherrod
    33 /> Randall Cobb
    60 /> Jabaal Sheard
    74 /> Daniel Thomas
    92 /> Clint Boling
    125 /> Greg Romeus
    159 /> Buster Skrine
     
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    [QUOTE]17 Cam Jordan 28 Brooks Reed 33 Derrick Sherrod 60 Torrey Smith (possible short move up) 74 Kendall Hunter 92 Curtis Brown 125 Jason Pinkston I think something like this is where I am at. I might change it. Grabbing two front seven guys in the first sounds crazy ... but I see them as totally different players. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Well, looks like we have 2 of the top 3 in common.
    I thought about Pinkston as well to play G, and if we can't get Boling, I do like Pinkston. I think there is decent G depth into round 5, just depends on if we expect these guys to come in and start day 1. If Mankins holds out, we'll need a day 1 starter opposite Connolly. Same with Light. That scares me. If we knew for certain 1 of the 2 would be on the team this year, I would feel better about the line and where we draft T vs G and other positions. I almost think we have to assume we need to build it. My advice would be to cut Kaczur and TBC, and use that money saved to resigning Mankins long term, or Light for 2 years.
     
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    Hope you all saw the nice news story on Ted Larson. Saved a couple of teens out in the water. Too bad we let him go. Thanks for all the great entertainment. I thought the 28th would never come and now its here already. Id love to see Watt and 2 good ols in this draft.
     

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