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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : Wow..about equal to Watt? I don't know if that's giving Watt too much credit or Dareus not enough? I personally think Dareus is the best DL coming out this year. Not by a long shot, but better than the rest of the group. Reconsidering, I probably wouldn't trade the farm for Dareus. Now if he was Suh and we had the ammo to do it, yes, I would move up to #6. But he ain't Suh. What concerns me about Dareus is his experience as well. he played in a 3-4, but he doesn't have a ton of starts to his credit. not sure why exactly, but his numbers are not stand out in my mind. sure 3-4 DE has different responsibilities than Watt did at 4-3 DE, but I would have expected a bit more from a top 5 player, and one most consider the best DL in this draft.
    Posted by PatsLifer


    I thought you were talking about Jordan. No. Darreus and Fairley are in another bracket for me. 

    I wouldn't trade up for them though. No. Not for 17 and 33, which is what it would take.
     
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    smokescreen central the pats are going draft a o-lineman and trade their 28th pick for a first rounder next year( they only have 5 picks in next years draft)
    Posted by isurfvb35

    Yeah. i can't get around that either. I almost feel like Costanzo could be their 17. But the talent at OT isn't as good as the talent at DE/OLB imo in this draft. I feel like in a deeper draft some of these OTs are all 1st/2nd swing players.

    Whereas in other drafts I think some of these DE/OLB types are going higher because of demand.

     
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    Jordan to me is that Elephant that BB has been looking for since Willie Mac left. He can be a DE in the 43 sub but also a 34 OLB. Would be interesting and if BB thinks he can be another Willie Mac then he's going to move up to make sure he gets him
     
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    Jordan to me is that Elephant that BB has been looking for since Willie Mac left. He can be a DE in the 43 sub but also a 34 OLB. Would be interesting and if BB thinks he can be another Willie Mac then he's going to move up to make sure he gets him
    Posted by PatsEng


    Yeah. He is big, but has that potential. He moves really athletically for his size. I have him higher than Watt for that reason. When you see him move on the field, even though their numbers are identical, it seems like he is less rigid and plays more like a tweener. Watt looks more like a DE in the 43. 
     
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    And the more I think about it I don't think Willie Mac is even the best comparison. I think he is a different kind of tweener. 

    He is a 34 end that can stay on the field when they sub into a 43 package. NE has spent so much time in sub packages. He is a little light for full time 34 ... but how often are they even in it? It seems like they spend more time splitting Wright or even Fork out wide to get a decent edge rush. 

    I see him more like a chess peice that BB could move around.

    I still would hope they come away with Brooks Reed more, but his stock is lower and he could be had later.
     
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    My final mock..assuming NE trades 33 for 38, 69, and 136.


    17 Cam Jordan DE
    28 D. Watkins G/T
    38 T. Smith WR
    60 S. Wisniewski G/C
    69 S. Acho OLB
    74 K. Hunter RB
    92 J. Carpenter OT
    125 J. Patrick CB
     
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    Why not Jordan and Reed?....seems to me we could use them both, and possibly have them both should we want them. They are not redundant pieces. each have different value.
    That said, this is probably where i differ from you, in that I prefer Sheard to Reed for what they are and where they can be had. A Jordan / Sheard paring would be interesting, but if we are using Jordan in that OLB role plus, than maybe we hold off drafting depth at OLB until later, or not at all.
     
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    I really like Cam jordan but am now CONVINCED that BB wont take him. All the talk / rumors of BB wanting to trade up and get him remind me to much of the smokescreens he threw out about DeWayne Robertson (convincing the Jets to spend alot and move up to get him) and Jonathan Sullivan (who the Saints spendt two 1st rounders to go up and get him). I just think BB mnay have a different target. Only 1 1/2 more hours! Still hoping for Patrick Peterson!
     
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    Doing a lot of catch up, ZB, good to see you on the thread my friend! 

    I had to lock in Kerrigan, kid hits just about every qualifying characteristic for a NE player, IMO, both on and off the field.  The biggest knock on him seems to be his lack of athleticism and while I don't think he's an elite athlete, I think it's atleast adequate for the position, but has that drive to continually impove.

    If they pass on Kerrigan high, I'm still hoping that Reed is the guy somewhere in the top 64, still remember the first time watching him play back in November vs. Stanford and thinking, "wow, this kid is electric off the snap, really brings a lot of energy and tenacity off the edge and it comes on every down".
     
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    I really like Cam jordan but am now CONVINCED that BB wont take him. All the talk / rumors of BB wanting to trade up and get him remind me to much of the smokescreens he threw out about DeWayne Robertson (convincing the Jets to spend alot and move up to get him) and Jonathan Sullivan (who the Saints spendt two 1st rounders to go up and get him). I just think BB mnay have a different target. Only 1 1/2 more hours! Still hoping for Patrick Peterson!
    Posted by Quagmire3


    Quag,
    While I think it could be a smoke screen, I think it's different from Robertson in that I think BB believes that Jordan can actually play.  That's not based on fact, just my opinion.
     
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    Latest rumor is a trade pretty much done between Atl and Clev for pick #6. Atl is targeting either Peterson or Jones most likely Jones.

    Also Gabbert is going to land at either SF or Tenn. If he lands in SF then Tenn is going to look to get back inot the 1st (Pats at #28 with that rumored trade maybe?)
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : Quag, While I think it could be a smoke screen, I think it's different from Robertson in that I think BB believes that Jordan can actually play.  That's not based on fact, just my opinion.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Maybe he thinks SD wants him and is trying to get a team like the Redskins, 49ers, or Vikings to take him or get SD to pay a bit to move up for him.
     
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    Hey all. I really enjoyed checking this thread once again this year in the months leading up to the draft. Great insight on which positions you all thought should be priorities on the Pats draft board and which players were falling and rising, best fits for the system, etc. Thanks to all the regulars for being so entertaining and knowledgeable.

    I have a question, if anyone could help me out. I remember that when I was watching the draft last year, whichever network I was on had this really annoying habit of having one of their correspondents announce every pick ten seconds before the commish did. It kind of took some of the fun out of the draft. Does anyone know if the NFL network or ESPN does this, or both? I would like to avoid it this year.
     
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    Just got back from Vegas.  What did I miss?  30 mins to go.
     
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    CAR is going to pass?  Why?

     
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    Doing a lot of catch up, ZB, good to see you on the thread my friend!  I had to lock in Kerrigan, kid hits just about every qualifying characteristic for a NE player, IMO, both on and off the field.  The biggest knock on him seems to be his lack of athleticism and while I don't think he's an elite athlete, I think it's atleast adequate for the position, but has that drive to continually impove. If they pass on Kerrigan high, I'm still hoping that Reed is the guy somewhere in the top 64, still remember the first time watching him play back in November vs. Stanford and thinking, "wow, this kid is electric off the snap, really brings a lot of energy and tenacity off the edge and it comes on every down".
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Yeah. The middle part of these threads always wears down for me. I get kind of bored once I know where everyone stands on the prospects and take some time off to kind of reconsider them myself. Though ... this year my board didn't change even through all the oscillations. I still had Jones as my best WR even while his stock see-sawed.

    I'm locked in on Torrey Smith. I think this kid would fit real well with what Ne does, and has potential to be a Desean Jackson type athlete out there. Especially if he is running routes on top of Gronk, Welker, Hern, and Woody. 

    I like Kerrigan too. But lately, I've have been really factoring in that first step quickness and raw athletics. Yeah there are WW's out there (Gholston, Aaron Curry) but it always seems the elite OLB prospects go early, and the rest from mid-2nd down are just JAGS. I think Reed is a winner though.

    At least that is how it's trending for me. I also think BB has tended toward really high motor kids in these drafts lately. Except for Brace, lol. And I can't think of a kid in this draft with a better motor than Reed. 

    Like I said when they grabbed Chung. I will have him at 28 .. but wouldn't be shocked or dismayed if NE just outright snagged him at 17 or on a hop n' skip trade down.

     
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    Just got back from Vegas.  What did I miss?  30 mins to go.
    Posted by Faucetman


    A lot of rumors, mostly untrue. However, the Cleveland/Atlanta trade appears plausible.    Faucetman, I'm sure I speak for many: Welcome back!
     
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    My last best guess at our first pick, assuming we don't trade up.

    1)  JJ Watt
    2)  Cam Jordan
    3)  Mike Pouncey
    4)  Nate Solder
    5)  Anthony Castonzo
    6)  Gabe Carimi
    7)  Ryan Kerrigan
    8)  Aldon Smith

    If it's someone else I will truly be surprised.  My dark horse picks would be, depending how far back we trade:

    Mark Ingram
    Cameron Heyward
    Phil Taylor
    Mikel LeShoure
    Danny Watkins
    Martez Wilson
    Derek Sherrod
    Muhammad Wilkerson
    Akeen Ayers

    If we don't get one of these guys then we likely traded completely out of the first round and I'll reset after the first round.  Anyone not on this list would be a complete shock to me that I never saw coming.



     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : A lot of rumors, mostly untrue. However, the Cleveland/Atlanta trade appears plausible.    Faucetman, I'm sure I speak for many: Welcome back!
    Posted by teegee


    Thanks, glad to be back, in the nick of time.  That would be a HUGE move up for ATL.  Would take a lot to go up that far. 
     
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    17- muhammed wilkerson temple
    28-trade to arizona for arizonas 2nd this year and 1st next year
    33-danny watkins-baylor
    38(from arizona) brooks reed-arizona
    60-leonarad hankerson-miami
     
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    Hey all. I really enjoyed checking this thread once again this year in the months leading up to the draft. Great insight on which positions you all thought should be priorities on the Pats draft board and which players were falling and rising, best fits for the system, etc. Thanks to all the regulars for being so entertaining and knowledgeable. I have a question, if anyone could help me out. I remember that when I was watching the draft last year, whichever network I was on had this really annoying habit of having one of their correspondents announce every pick ten seconds before the commish did. It kind of took some of the fun out of the draft. Does anyone know if the NFL network or ESPN does this, or both? I would like to avoid it this year.
    Posted by PeaceLaur


    I don't remember. They may have been both doing it. I think it was Kiper. I'm going to watch on NFL network most likely.
     
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    Thanks Kyle. I will probably stick with NFL network as well, to listen to Mike Mayock.
     
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    Thanks Kyle. I will probably stick with NFL network as well, to listen to Mike Mayock.
    Posted by PeaceLaur

    If I had to choose one analyst to listen to, it would be Mike Mayock.  I like him way better than that idiot Kiper. 
     
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    Gotta say .... love hearing people boooooo Goodell. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED TOP 75*** : If I had to choose one analyst to listen to, it would be Mike Mayock.  I like him way better than that idiot Kiper. 
    Posted by Faucetman

    Yea. Definitely. Schefter though is solid.

    I hate that both channels spoiled the pick. It's not cool at all.
     
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