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2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Just taking you're info you have 6 of the 12 OLB converts with consistent sacks taken in the 1st in the past decade that's 50/50. 1 in the 2nd, 1 in the 3rd, and 2 in the 4th, and 2 UDFA.   That just proves my point that you have better odds finding one in the 1st then in any other round. As a matter a fact when you take all the OLB's taken in the 1st round over this past decade I will guaranty that there is a much higher percentage of productive OLB's then in any other round in the draft so how am I wrong?  They also listed 3 out of 9 1st round picks as busts for OLB converts, but I feel the number is closer to 50% then the 66% they show
    Posted by PatsEng


    Hali wasn't drafted as a convert guy but i threw him in.

    You could aslo throw in Merriman as being a guy who would not have been a success without his steroids.

    Wimbley is also borderline but I like him so I added him, he's close enough.

    A number of the guys from the Steelers, Chargers, and Packers are playing in 1 gap attacking 3-4 systems and those guys would NOT have that production playing in NE's system. Yes I really believe that. Colvin and AT are perfect examples of changes in production after changing systems.

    The point is that even out of that list there are even fewer than that list when I look at it that I go oh wow yeah he's awesome.

    Also faucet did an anlysis which i used in one of my posts here showing how long it generally took those conversion types to produce.

    http://www.patriotsfootballplace.com/2011/04/countdown-to-impact-deolb-edition.html
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Where did you see this?...was somethign posted on the #33 trade?
    Posted by PatsLifer


    Just rumors I was hearing before the draft that the Pats were shopping both pick #28 and #33 to teams wanting QB's. Since the Pats didn't trade #28 to a team looking for a QB it makes sense they are still taking offers for #33 from teams like SF, Cinn, Sea, Was, Oak who all are looking for QB's. From what I remember the asking price was a 3rd this year and a 1st next year for #33 which seems like a fair price for both sides. If a team I listed above offers that the value to the Pats is to great to turn a trade like that down considering the took a trade for what should turn out to be a late 1st next year with a late 2nd this year.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Hali wasn't drafted as a convert guy but i threw him in. You could aslo throw in Merriman as being a guy who would not have been a success without his steroids. Wimbley is also borderline but I like him so I added him, he's close enough. A number of the guys from the Steelers, Chargers, and Packers are playing in 1 gap attacking 3-4 systems and those guys would NOT have that production playing in NE's system. Yes I really believe that. Colvin and AT are perfect examples of changes in production after changing systems. The point is that even out of that list there are even fewer than that list when I look at it that I go oh wow yeah he's awesome. Also faucet did an anlysis which i used in one of my posts here showing how long it generally took those conversion types to produce. http://www.patriotsfootballplace.com/2011/04/countdown-to-impact-deolb-edition.html
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    You can argue that players don't fit the Patriot mold all the time which holds true for every player in the draft (ie a 43 DE taken in the top 10 might not produce in the NE system but is an all pro) but the fact of the matter is impact pass rushers are hard to find and the one round that consistently puts out the most productive rushers is the 1st no matter how long it takes for them to develop. Once you get past the 1st there is a noticeably drop off in production from those types of players. However, this doesn't hold true for the OL esp in NE. So again the whole point is that with rushing being one of the most common threads why we can't advance in the post season the best way to fix that issue is to take a pass rusher earlier where you have a better shot of finding an impact player.

    Let me emphasize that I think Solder was a safe pick that could become a pro-bowler and I like the pick IF they fix the pass rush either through FA or in the 2nd round but I want the Pats from 01-06 back. I want the D we use to love and the best way to get back to that is to get an impact rusher that can disrupt the opponents game plan
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Just rumors I was hearing before the draft that the Pats were shopping both pick #28 and #33 to teams wanting QB's. Since the Pats didn't trade #28 to a team looking for a QB it makes sense they are still taking offers for #33 from teams like SF, Cinn, Sea, Was, Oak who all are looking for QB's. From what I remember the asking price was a 3rd this year and a 1st next year for #33 which seems like a fair price for both sides. If a team I listed above offers that the value to the Pats is to great to turn a trade like that down considering the took a trade for what should turn out to be a late 1st next year with a late 2nd this year.
    Posted by PatsEng


    33 for a 2011 3rd and 2012 1st sounds about right. 3 1sts in 2012 is unbelievable, but at the same time, I think there is a bunch of good talent all through round 2. We also will have 3, 3rds if this happens. I guess we could move one of those into a 2nd next, or trade it up this year for a 2nd, getting back a 2nd. All this movement makes me dizzy, but man, I think BB has done a good job of conditioning us all to be draft movers and seeing it as a multi-year process...more than I can say for a lot of other teams.

    Hmmm...3 1st rounders next year...The 3rd one better be to a terrible team so we can enter the Luck sweepstakes. I'm dreaming now, but if that 3rd 1st is a top 5-7 pick next year, we coudl package 2 1sts and go get Luck, and still have another 1st...anyway enough about next year.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : You can argue that players don't fit the Patriot mold all the time which holds true for every player in the draft (ie a 43 DE taken in the top 10 might not produce in the NE system but is an all pro) but the fact of the matter is impact pass rushers are hard to find and the one round that consistently puts out the most productive rushers is the 1st no matter how long it takes for them to develop. Once you get past the 1st there is a noticeably drop off in production from those types of players. However, this doesn't hold true for the OL esp in NE. So again the whole point is that with rushing being one of the most common threads why we can't advance in the post season the best way to fix that issue is to take a pass rusher earlier where you have a better shot of finding an impact player. Let me emphasize that I think Solder was a safe pick that could become a pro-bowler and I like the pick IF they fix the pass rush either through FA or in the 2nd round but I want the Pats from 01-06 back. I want the D we use to love and the best way to get back to that is to get an impact rusher that can disrupt the opponents game plan
    Posted by PatsEng


    I think it will happen. Again, I think it happens in round 3 that we get the 3rd down OLB pass rusher. There are still Moch and Carter on the board, and both are productive as pass rushers in that regard. They are not 3 down OLB's with pass rushing skills year 1 that you find in round 1, but they can serve a purpose on 3rd down, or whenever it is a passing situation.
    What I don't like about this is the fact that you have to keep subbing for specialists, unless we find a diamond out there in round 2 or 3 that can be that 3down OLB very early on.
     
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    trade #33 to Washington...we end up with #41, #49, #56, and #60...give them a third, and switch @2012 #1's(Pats #1)....works for me....
     
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    It looks like the Pats are going to trade out of #33 for a 1st next year and a 3rd this year which makes sense but that's going to leave us with #56 and #60. I doubt Reed, Ayers or Sheard will last to #56 so they might have to move up to grab one but I'm not seeing it this year truthfully. My gut says they are targeting Bailey as an elephant, which to me is a mistake, but I can see the rational. It balances out the line with Cunningham being the better cover OLB with good run stopping ability while Bailey seems like the better rusher with run stopping ability. Neither to me seem like a solution to the rushing problem just solid 3 down guys you won't have to worry about regardless if it's against a pass or run formation. They will bookend each other and be solid starters but without the right impact DE now I don't see our rush drastically improving. But that's just my opinion right now and I hope I'm wrong. Without a drastically improved pass rush I don't see us getting very far into the playoffs again next year either
    Posted by PatsEng


    I think everyone universally belives this needs to improve. I know I am with you on it.

    I am not sure I follow your angst about not getting one yesterday though. I've talked about getting a DE for 2 years. However, my issue was never the pass rush from that spot. We got run over routinely 2 years ago which is why I wanted one.

    If your angst is pass rush and don't like that Wight had 10.5 sacks while missing 6 games the past 2 seasons here is a something that might make you feel better.

    ...and even Seymour only had 2 seasons with us when he had more than 5 sacks. That's the same as Wight in just his last 2 seasons.

    Cam Jordan - 12 sacks last 2 years
    Cam Heyward - 10 sacks last 2 years
    Allen Bailey - 14 sacks last 2 years

    I am sure there are even other options and I have absolutely no idea what the Patriots thought or think or any of those 3 players.

    I just happen to like AB because he has had success playing DT, DE, and standing up and was recruited to play linebacker. BB could move and play him anywhere. Pats might think he's a stiff for all I know.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : I think it will happen. Again, I think it happens in round 3 that we get the 3rd down OLB pass rusher. There are still Moch and Carter on the board, and both are productive as pass rushers in that regard. They are not 3 down OLB's with pass rushing skills year 1 that you find in round 1, but they can serve a purpose on 3rd down, or whenever it is a passing situation. What I don't like about this is the fact that you have to keep subbing for specialists, unless we find a diamond out there in round 2 or 3 that can be that 3down OLB very early on.
    Posted by PatsLifer


    The issue I have with that is that Moch and Carter both have rushing issues where they are 1 tool players that need to develop more rushing moves. If I'm going after a pure rushing specialist I want someone who was dominant in college averaging 10+ sacks over their career against high level talent with multiple moves. Not someone like Moch who was easily taken out of plays and the majority of sacks came on broken plays or that he simply used his speed to get around a slower T.

    I actually think Bailey is going to be the pick much like Cunningham was last year. Cunningham is a good all around player that is better dropping back while Bailey is a good all around player with better rushing ability. They compliment each other nicely it's just both are very solid 3 down players but neither are the impact player we are missing. Of course if we get a top 5 pick next year and get a top DE then all of a sudden we could have the most dominant front 7 on all downs in the league
     
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    So, can Moch or Carter be 3 down OLB's for us? I wasn't a big Moch fan coming into the draft, but he's looking more attractive in round 3. He is a solid pass rusher and could be a good ST player as well. BB grooms him and he could be that 3down OLB perhaps.

    Again, I'm thinking we don't draft an OLB in round 2. For some reason I keep thinking we'll see something happen in round 3.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : I think everyone universally belives this needs to improve. I know I am with you on it. I am not sure I follow your angst about not getting one yesterday though. I've talked about getting a DE for 2 years. However, my issue was never the pass rush from that spot. We got run over routinely 2 years ago which is why I wanted one. If your angst is pass rush and don't like that Wight had 10.5 sacks while missing 6 games the past 2 seasons here is a something that might make you feel better. ...and even Seymour only had 2 seasons with us when he had more than 5 sacks. That's the same as Wight in just his last 2 seasons. Cam Jordan - 12 sacks last 2 years Cam Heyward - 10 sacks last 2 years Allen Bailey - 14 sacks last 2 years I am sure there are even other options and I have absolutely no idea what the Patriots thought or think or any of those 3 players. I just happen to like AB because he has had success playing DT, DE, and standing up and was recruited to play linebacker. BB could move and play him anywhere. Pats might think he's a stiff for all I know.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    When you look at Seymour realize that it's not about the stats with him. Even when he didn't have the sacks he consistently was being doubled and tripled teamed while collapsing the pocket and forcing the QB to the OLB's. Wright is getting his stats because he is being single teamed.

    To me a dominant rushing DE might not get double digit sacks but still puts enough pressure on opponents that they have to over compensate for him forcing a change in game plan or opening holes for less talented players to take advantage of. Wright is a nice solid player but he doesn't come close to the same production Seymour provide. Proof is how bad the pass rush dropped off when Seymour was traded and Wright took over for him even though Wright had better stats.
     
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    profootballtalk.com just posted their 2nd round mock with no trades.
    Have us taking Brooks Reed, Ryan Williams and Marcus Gilchrest in round 2 respectively. That would be a bad haul at all.
     
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    profootballtalk.com just posted their 2nd round mock with no trades. Have us taking Brooks Reed, Ryan Williams and Marcus Gilchrest in round 2 respectively. That would be a bad haul at all.
    Posted by PatsLifer


    If that were to happen I'd be very happy with us taking Solder in the 1st as I think Reed helps with the pass rush and Williams actually helps the D chewing up time late in the game. I'd take it and be happy but I have a hard time believing they don't trade one of those picks into next year along with 1 of the 3rds into next year too.

    I see us having 3 1st and 2 2nds in next years draft
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : The issue I have with that is that Moch and Carter both have rushing issues where they are 1 tool players that need to develop more rushing moves. If I'm going after a pure rushing specialist I want someone who was dominant in college averaging 10+ sacks over their career against high level talent with multiple moves. Not someone like Moch who was easily taken out of plays and the majority of sacks came on broken plays or that he simply used his speed to get around a slower T. I actually think Bailey is going to be the pick much like Cunningham was last year. Cunningham is a good all around player that is better dropping back while Bailey is a good all around player with better rushing ability. They compliment each other nicely it's just both are very solid 3 down players but neither are the impact player we are missing. Of course if we get a top 5 pick next year and get a top DE then all of a sudden we could have the most dominant front 7 on all downs in the league
    Posted by PatsEng



    Yes sir agreed but really now who doesn't? How often does that happen? There weren't really any of those guys in this draft.

    Maybe VM but he has his own deficiencies as well.
    Kerrigan try hard guy, productive but multiple moves? Not imo.
    Quinn or smith multiple 10+ years of sacks with no questions?

    You mentioned the ideal and heck yes I am right there with you but didn't see dDemarcus ware or LT in this draft.

    Heck Nink only played 2 years at Purdue but had back to back 10 sack seasons.

    IMO majority of all sacks from all players come on those types of plays  or special circumstance. Clay Mathews last season got at least 40% of his sacks off those types or free runs on odd man rushes unblocked. Fairley last year in championship and during season just blew through a open space with speed when a guard or centered pulled and was just unblocked. Etc etc.

    By the way always enjoy discussions with you.
     
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    lol as I with you Low.

    My point was that if I was to target a pure rushing specialist where his only job was to rush I want someone who is dominant at rushing who uses more then 1 tool to get to the QB. Verses Quinn, Jordan, Kerrigan, Bailey who are all expected to be 3 down LB's where I'd be willing to trade off on the rushing ability for coverage and run stopping ability.

    I guess what I'm saying is that unless the pass rusher was so dominant in that one aspect in college can we truely expect them to be better then what we currently have in TBC, Moore, or Nin. And if they aren't and that's their only role would a 2nd or 3rd round pick be better spent on a G, WR, RB, or DB who has the chance to be a starter?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : When you look at Seymour realize that it's not about the stats with him. Even when he didn't have the sacks he consistently was being doubled and tripled teamed while collapsing the pocket and forcing the QB to the OLB's. Wright is getting his stats because he is being single teamed. To me a dominant rushing DE might not get double digit sacks but still puts enough pressure on opponents that they have to over compensate for him forcing a change in game plan or opening holes for less talented players to take advantage of. Wright is a nice solid player but he doesn't come close to the same production Seymour provide. Proof is how bad the pass rush dropped off when Seymour was traded and Wright took over for him even though Wright had better stats.
    Posted by PatsEng



    Figured you would bring that up and was going to address it in last post but you are preaching to the choir but Seymour is one of the best DE all time in the NFL. You aren't landing him every decade.

    Also you have to keep in mind perception when you talk about drop off in pass rush when Seymour left. Timing is everything.

    Seymour tied his 2nd best season in 2008 in his personal sack statistics.  Not always the case with him.

    Also the 2008 defense as a whole was much better so he had a far greater and more experienced supporting cast. The pass rush was NOT all Seymour that year. Pats still had a lot of guys around then. Vrabes, AD, Warren, Harrison, etc.

    Very different dynamic that year with the D playing very well leading up to the end of the season as a whole. Personally was excited to see the damage they could cause in the playoffs had they gotten in.

    Seymour wasn't the only guy to exit when the drop off came.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Not a lot of Rd 1-2 kids, but they've taken 11 Big Ten players during BB's time in Foxboro, including two staples of the franchise. Brady Light Maroney Crable Wilson Mesko Ohrnberger TJ Turner Greg Robinson-Randall David Nugent Christian Morton
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    Locker goes #8 to the titans...... i guess im not the only one who thinks his "accuracy issues" can be fixed! lol hahaha

    enjoy the rest of the draft!
     
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    I forgot to even think about this but maybe the Pats like someone else that might be out there as a FA or expecting a contract cost cut of someone they like from another team as well?

    I really will be disappointed if they do at least attempt to address OLB or 3-tech/penetrating DL for pass rush at some point in day 2.
     
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    Truthfully if I were to target a pure rushing specialist I'd look at later round selection such as:

    Steven Friday
    Ugo Chinasa
    Justin Houston (if he slips into the 4th which could happen)
    Devin Mayo

    And then take those 2nd and 3rd rounders and use those to move into next year, grab some more OL help, grab a RB or WR, and maybe target a DL player like Jarvis Jenkins or Lawrence Guy
     
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    Truthfully if I were to target a pure rushing specialist I'd look at later round selection such as: Steven Friday Ugo Chinasa Justin Houston (if he slips into the 4th which could happen) Devin Mayo And then take those 2nd and 3rd rounders and use those to move into next year, grab some more OL help, grab a RB or WR, and maybe target a DL player like Jarvis Jenkins or Lawrence Guy
    Posted by PatsEng


    justin houston will not drop into the 4th round
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Figured you would bring that up and was going to address it in last post but you are preaching to the choir but Seymour is one of the best DE all time in the NFL. You aren't landing him every decade. Also you have to keep in mind perception when you talk about drop off in pass rush when Seymour left. Timing is everything. Seymour tied his 2nd best season in 2008 in his personal sack statistics.  Not always the case with him. Also the 2008 defense as a whole was much better so he had a far greater and more experienced supporting cast. The pass rush was NOT all Seymour that year. Pats still had a lot of guys around then. Vrabes, AD, Warren, Harrison, etc. Very different dynamic that year with the D playing very well leading up to the end of the season as a whole. Personally was excited to see the damage they could cause in the playoffs had they gotten in. Seymour wasn't the only guy to exit when the drop off came.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I thought you would bring those players up but lets actually look at them

    Harrison played a total of 6 games so his impact was not as strong as you would think. AD played 9 games but again it's AD and after Seymour left AD's numbers tanked. Vrable had a awful year that year compared to his 07 year and since leaving the Pats has struggled. Pretty much across the board after they either left Seymour or since Seymour was traded all the numbers for the players have dropped. Also the total sack and tfl numbers have drop in NE even though all the players you mention had years below their career averages.

    Yes Seymour is an once in a decade type of player but your more likely to find someone that might be more Seymour then Brace to anchor the DE, greatly improving the pass rush, in the 1st then in later rounds. Unfortunitly history has proven once you get out of the 1st round range you see more Brace's then you do Seymour's so from my view getting that blue chip DE to anchor around should be looked at hard in the 1st while the OL has proven you might not get a pro-bowler in the 2nd round but you most certainly can find a Vollmer or Light.
     
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    I am wondering if anyone has considered that the Pats will deal the 33rd pick for a 3rd this year and a 1st next year (giving them the often mentioned 3 number 1's next year) and then trade one or 2 of them for a current player to help the pass rush - the Patriots have made big trades for players in the past(Moss, Welker, Dillon, etc)

    I haven't seen any talk of this at all......
     
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    Do anybody have a link that unambiguously addresses Bowers' knee problem?  Yes or no?
     
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    I am wondering if anyone has considered that the Pats will deal the 33rd pick for a 3rd this year and a 1st next year (giving them the often mentioned 3 number 1's next year) and then trade one or 2 of them for a current player to help the pass rush - the Patriots have made big trades for players in the past(Moss, Welker, Dillon, etc) I haven't seen any talk of this at all......
    Posted by qball369


    I brought up a trade like that earlier but as of right now you can't trade picks in this years draft for players so that's kinda out. However, you can stock picks for next years draft and when trades are allowed you can trade future picks for players
     
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    I think that Rex should take Wilkerson and room him up with Gholston...every young guy needs a mentor...give him footsteps to follow....
     
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    I know the draft wasn't glamorous and truthfully I was a little disappointed when they didn't take Cameron Jordan or Prince Amakamura.  That said my issue is with the player chosen and not the overall strategy, and in this case, as in every year with the draft, I'll defer to Belichick with regards to scouting.  This pick gives us leverage and a fall back option when dealing with Light.  I'd rather see Solder eased into the lineup but if that can't happen, so be it. 

    As for the trade, it is tremendous value.  I know some people are disappointed that they made the deal with the Saints, but that doesn't really matter all that much.  Consider that if the Pats continue this philosophy they end up picking the higher of two first round picks each year and get an extra second each year of the draft.  It is a brilliant strategy.  It is these types of moves that allows BB flexibility each year of the draft. 

    I have stated previously on here that the "just trade pick 28 to a bad team for a 1st next year" is flawed because it discounts the fact that the other team knows it is not good.  Most of these GMs aren't idiots (most).  They realize that if they are picking at the top of the draft this year that they are probably not one late first round pick away from turning it around.  They too realize that their first pick next year is going to be valuable.

    With the 33 pick I would like to see them get a mid second and second for next year.  Anything more than that would be gravy.  With three mid to late second rounders BB can fill the areas of need such as OLB, OG, C, RB, WR.  I think this is a good area to look for that conversion DE.  There is still some very good talent available here.  I look forward to the rest of this draft.

    One other thing I'd like to mention is that I've heard of this window with Brady as our QB and that we need players to win now.  BB has proven to be very adept at finding and developing late round QB's (Brady, Cassell) that have been able to succeed when forced into action.  This, to me negates that so called window.  Tom Brady is a special player but if you put solid talent around an above average QB you will succeed and I think that should be the strategy.  Building for the long term.
     
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