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    I know the draft wasn't glamorous and truthfully I was a little disappointed when they didn't take Cameron Jordan or Prince Amakamura.  That said my issue is with the player chosen and not the overall strategy, and in this case, as in every year with the draft, I'll defer to Belichick with regards to scouting.  This pick gives us leverage and a fall back option when dealing with Light.  I'd rather see Solder eased into the lineup but if that can't happen, so be it.  As for the trade, it is tremendous value.  I know some people are disappointed that they made the deal with the Saints, but that doesn't really matter all that much.  Consider that if the Pats continue this philosophy they end up picking the higher of two first round picks each year and get an extra second each year of the draft.  It is a brilliant strategy.  It is these types of moves that allows BB flexibility each year of the draft.  I have stated previously on here that the "just trade pick 28 to a bad team for a 1st next year" is flawed because it discounts the fact that the other team knows it is not good.  Most of these GMs aren't idiots (most).  They realize that if they are picking at the top of the draft this year that they are probably not one late first round pick away from turning it around.  They too realize that their first pick next year is going to be valuable. With the 33 pick I would like to see them get a mid second and second for next year.  Anything more than that would be gravy.  With three mid to late second rounders BB can fill the areas of need such as OLB, OG, C, RB, WR.  I think this is a good area to look for that conversion DE.  There is still some very good talent available here.  I look forward to the rest of this draft. One other thing I'd like to mention is that I've heard of this window with Brady as our QB and that we need players to win now.  BB has proven to be very adept at finding and developing late round QB's (Brady, Cassell) that have been able to succeed when forced into action.  This, to me negates that so called window.  Tom Brady is a special player but if you put solid talent around an above average QB you will succeed and I think that should be the strategy.  Building for the long term.
    Posted by paularnold

    We could of had Prince or Jordan at 17 then Carimi at 28.  That would have been a sweet haul.  Oh well.  I figured BB loved Solder and it didn't take long to run the card up there.

    Odds are 90/10 we are moving out of 33.  I don't think we'll move too far though and hopefully we can get a 2012 3rd.  I could see WAS coming up from 41 to get a QB ahead of CIN and BUF.  I could even see a team coming up for Marvin Austin.
     
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    Cincinnati need to get their QB at #33...either the Pats or Buffalo can trade them out...maybe the safest bet for the Pats is giving them #33,and switching 2012 #1's with them....then the Pats go at #35....I think that is good value..and then they can start drafting the players they need...
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : We could of had Prince or Jordan at 17 then Carimi at 28.  That would have been a sweet haul.  Oh well.  I figured BB loved Solder and it didn't take long to run the card up there. Odds are 90/10 we are moving out of 33.  I don't think we'll move too far though and hopefully we can get a 2012 3rd.  I could see WAS coming up from 41 to get a QB ahead of CIN and BUF.  I could even see a team coming up for Marvin Austin.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I guess I'm alone when I look at Allen Bailey's measurable, production and they are really similar to Jordan and Bailey can be had in mid 40s.  Jordan also had games against very bad teams where he didn't do much.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : I guess I'm alone when I look at Allen Bailey's measurable, production and they are really similar to Jordan and Bailey can be had in mid 40s.  Jordan also had games against very bad teams where he didn't do much.
    Posted by Pats7393


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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Excuse me, but where did I say they were better than Wilfork, Warren, Stroud etc. Please don't put words in my mouth (posts). Thanx. Are you telling me that none of them are upgrades for Deaderick, Brace (another real "potential" 2nd round disappointment) and Love on Day One? Consider that Ty Warren is coming off hip surgery and didn't play all last year, and Mike Wright missed the last half of the year with a concussion. I'm not sure hoping they've recovered is the best alternative. Wilfork is the ONLY stud DL they have that can be counted on at the moment. The others are roster stuffing or questionable at this moment at best. I said earlier that I liked the Solder pick. But I would have liked Jordan and Carimi or Solder and Heyward better than Solder and the number 31 next year given the continued weakness on the defensive line.
    Posted by sml1210


    No sir would not think of it but figured that was what you meant cause if you were thinking of upgrading backups and not replacing/finding starters in round one I understand the logic less.

    In any case we are splitting hairs and mostly saying similar things just priority order in difference and that's ok to agree to disagree.

    Don't forget I thought they might draft Cam Jordan if available but had mocked Castonzo to them. They did not do either of those things.

    As fans we are left to wonder about injury status. However, the Patriots organization is not and they must feel decent about it but even if not they still have tonight and FA to address any issues, calculated risks etc.

    Even with the lockout Players could see doctors and doctors could communicate to teams. Just an additional layer of separation. The organizations are not operating blindly.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : No sir would not think of it but figured that was what you meant cause if you were thinking of upgrading backups and not replacing/finding starters in round one I understand the logic less. In any case we are splitting hairs and mostly saying similar things just priority order in difference and that's ok to agree to disagree. Don't forget I thought they might draft Cam Jordan if available but had mocked Castonzo to them. They did not do either of those things. As fans we are left to wonder about injury status. However, the Patriots organization is not and they must feel decent about it but even if not they still have tonight and FA to address any issues, calculated risks etc. Even with the lockout Players could see doctors and doctors could communicate to teams. Just an additional layer of separation. The organizations are not operating blindly.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Last time I checked, football was a 53 man team game. Foolish me, I thought the object was to field the best 53 man roster possible, and not just be satisfied with 22 starters and the rest be slugs.

    Everyone taken last night is an immediate, full-time starter for their repesctive rosters, right? Thought so.
     
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    If Bowers becomes a Patriot, I'd be happy with that.
     
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    Round 2 mock
    Washington trades 41 and 49 for 33.

    33 Was - Kapernick QB
    34 Buf - Dalton QB
    35 Cin - Mallet QB
    36 Den - M. Austin DT
    37 Cle - Torrey Smith WR
    38 Arz - Akeem Ayers OLB
    39 Ten - Paea DT
    40 Dal - Jarvis Jenkins DT
    41 NE - Jabaal Sheard OLB
    42 Tex - Ras I Dowling CB
    43 Min - Bowers DE
    44 Det - Aaron Williams CB
    45 SF - Hudson OC
    46 Den - Kyle Rudolph TE
    47 StL - Leonard Hankerson WR
    48 Oak - Chimdi Chekwa CB
    49 NE - Edmund Gates WR
    50 SD - Brooks Reed OLB
    51 TB - Brandon Harris CB
    52 NYG - Orlando Franklin OT
    53 Ind - Tyler Sash S
    54 Phi - Bruce Carter OLB
    55 KC - Kenrick Ellis NT
    56 NE Allen Bailey DE/OLB
    57 Sea - Stefen Wisniewski OC
    58 Bal - Justin Houston OLB
    59 Cle - Martez Wilson ILB/OLB
    60 NE - Marcus Gilbert OT/OG
    61 SD - Sam Acho OLB
    62 Chi - Randall Cobb WR
    63 Pit - Benjamin Ijalana OG/OT
    64 GB - Mikel LeShoure RB
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : I guess I'm alone when I look at Allen Bailey's measurable, production and they are really similar to Jordan and Bailey can be had in mid 40s.  Jordan also had games against very bad teams where he didn't do much.
    Posted by Pats7393


    Not alone at all. In fact I appreciate your earllier post comparing Bailey's measurables vs. Jordan and etc....Bailey compares favorably, and he is every bit as fast. What i like about Bailey is he like Quinn is an athlete, really a freak of nature for his size. Also, like Jordan I think Bailey has flexibility. He's not 3-4 DE, but he can certainly play 4-3 DE and DT, and has the athleticism to be able to stand up and play OLB. I like Bailey for many reasons.
    He gets knocked a bunch because I've read some saying, "he's a man without home", or "an athlete more than a football player". That he has no natural position, etc., etc. Fact is I don't think Miami really used him all that well.
    He in the hands of BB and and our LB coach should be able to flourish if he has the work ethic.
     
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    Round 2 mock Washington trades 41 and 49 for 33. 33 Was - Kapernick QB 34 Buf - Dalton QB 35 Cin - Mallet QB 36 Den - M. Austin DT 37 Cle - Torrey Smith WR 38 Arz - Akeem Ayers OLB 39 Ten - Paea DT 40 Dal - Jarvis Jenkins DT 41 NE - Jabaal Sheard OLB 42 Tex - Ras I Dowling CB 43 Min - Bowers DE 44 Det - Aaron Williams CB 45 SF - Hudson OC 46 Den - Kyle Rudolph TE 47 StL - Leonard Hankerson WR 48 Oak - Chimdi Chekwa CB 49 NE - Edmund Gates WR 50 SD - Brooks Reed OLB 51 TB - Brandon Harris CB 52 NYG - Orlando Franklin OT 53 Ind - Tyler Sash S 54 Phi - Bruce Carter OLB 55 KC - Kenrick Ellis NT 56 NE Allen Bailey DE/OLB 57 Sea - Stefen Wisniewski OC 58 Bal - Justin Houston OLB 59 Cle - Martez Wilson ILB/OLB 60 NE - Marcus Gilbert OT/OG 61 SD - Sam Acho OLB 62 Chi - Randall Cobb WR 63 Pit - Benjamin Ijalana OG/OT 64 GB - Mikel LeShoure RB
    Posted by Pats7393


    Is this a thought or something you heard via the rumor mill? I'd take this in a heartbeat.
     
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    41 NE - Ras I Dowling CB

    49 NE - Brooks Reed OLB

    56 NE Kenrick Ellis NT or Martez Wilson ILB/OLB

    60 NE - Mikel LeShoure RB
     
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    Round 2 mock Washington trades 41 and 49 for 33. 33 Was - Kapernick QB 34 Buf - Dalton QB 35 Cin - Mallet QB 36 Den - M. Austin DT 37 Cle - Torrey Smith WR 38 Arz - Akeem Ayers OLB 39 Ten - Paea DT 40 Dal - Jarvis Jenkins DT 41 NE - Jabaal Sheard OLB 42 Tex - Ras I Dowling CB 43 Min - Bowers DE 44 Det - Aaron Williams CB 45 SF - Hudson OC 46 Den - Kyle Rudolph TE 47 StL - Leonard Hankerson WR 48 Oak - Chimdi Chekwa CB 49 NE - Edmund Gates WR 50 SD - Brooks Reed OLB 51 TB - Brandon Harris CB 52 NYG - Orlando Franklin OT 53 Ind - Tyler Sash S 54 Phi - Bruce Carter OLB 55 KC - Kenrick Ellis NT 56 NE Allen Bailey DE/OLB 57 Sea - Stefen Wisniewski OC 58 Bal - Justin Houston OLB 59 Cle - Martez Wilson ILB/OLB 60 NE - Marcus Gilbert OT/OG 61 SD - Sam Acho OLB 62 Chi - Randall Cobb WR 63 Pit - Benjamin Ijalana OG/OT 64 GB - Mikel LeShoure RB
    Posted by Pats7393
    ....Pats...with less than an hour to go....do me a favor....fax this to Gillette ASAP......nice....
     
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    Looking ahead, Reggie Bush is going to be available. He could be a great redemption project for the Pats.
     
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    ohh don't get me wrong I like the Solder pick as he could become the best T in this class but on the same note they had a chance to fix the biggest issue they've had over the last couple years which has knocked them out of the playoffs (pass rush). If they don't fix the pass rush and Jordan is another Matthews I think we have the right to be pissed or if they grab someone today and he flops we have the right to be pissed. But if they get the right guy and the pass rush improves to be at least league average then you really can't complain about the Solder pick at all. We'll just have to see how this turns out in the end
    Posted by PatsEng


    damn right eng
    on all of it
    except liking the solder pick. i cant go there with you. but i'll play along and see if it turns out. we do need o line. just hoped wed wait till round 2.
    wait and see. wait and see.
     
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    Michael Smith is reporting the Pats might actually keep 33, and he mentioned Sheard and and Ayers....please, not Ayers.
     
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    I know the draft wasn't glamorous and truthfully I was a little disappointed when they didn't take Cameron Jordan or Prince Amakamura.  That said my issue is with the player chosen and not the overall strategy, and in this case, as in every year with the draft, I'll defer to Belichick with regards to scouting.  This pick gives us leverage and a fall back option when dealing with Light.  I'd rather see Solder eased into the lineup but if that can't happen, so be it.  As for the trade, it is tremendous value.  I know some people are disappointed that they made the deal with the Saints, but that doesn't really matter all that much.  Consider that if the Pats continue this philosophy they end up picking the higher of two first round picks each year and get an extra second each year of the draft.  It is a brilliant strategy.  It is these types of moves that allows BB flexibility each year of the draft.  I have stated previously on here that the "just trade pick 28 to a bad team for a 1st next year" is flawed because it discounts the fact that the other team knows it is not good.  Most of these GMs aren't idiots (most).  They realize that if they are picking at the top of the draft this year that they are probably not one late first round pick away from turning it around.  They too realize that their first pick next year is going to be valuable. With the 33 pick I would like to see them get a mid second and second for next year.  Anything more than that would be gravy.  With three mid to late second rounders BB can fill the areas of need such as OLB, OG, C, RB, WR.  I think this is a good area to look for that conversion DE.  There is still some very good talent available here.  I look forward to the rest of this draft. One other thing I'd like to mention is that I've heard of this window with Brady as our QB and that we need players to win now.  BB has proven to be very adept at finding and developing late round QB's (Brady, Cassell) that have been able to succeed when forced into action.  This, to me negates that so called window.  Tom Brady is a special player but if you put solid talent around an above average QB you will succeed and I think that should be the strategy.  Building for the long term.
    Posted by paularnold


    BINGO!
     
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    The pats love the screen pass.....Solder has the speed to get out there for plays like that. I think that was a huge factor in why they chose his size and quickness over the others
    Posted by mattymc727


    thanks for the thoughts on that!
     
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    Ok, now NFL network is reporting very very strong interest in pick 33. Here we go....strap on your seatbelts fellas, it's about to get interesting.
     
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    I know that bowers has his knee problem but i think he'd be worth the pick in the second. What do you guys think?
    Posted by APpats21


    Late 3rd round
     
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    My Pats Fantasy 2-3 round ...

    33. Akeem Ayers - every down OLB who can drop into pass coverage. Bye, bye TBC ...

    56. Boling or Rackley or Wiszniewski - OG starter or 1st sub if Logan can be mollified

    60. Just Houston - We have our sub-package QB killer specialist. He plays 70% of snaps agst Indy ... 30% agst the Finns. Good Enuf. doper or no doper ... like already said Aaron H did pretty good ... hey the cannibas is easy to quit, just substitute with booze ... that's another debate.

    76. DeMarco - Great compliment to what we have - fast, pass catcher, who can get the corner.
     
     
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    Boomer just interviewed BB...BB was smiling....be brilliant, man.....
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : ....Pats...with less than an hour to go....do me a favor....fax this to Gillette ASAP......nice....
    Posted by mountainmonkey


    no need for the fax, got off the phone with Billy boy and it is all set.  he and I are on the same page, so we are screwed if he listens to me lol
     
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    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    ? back at you Low
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***IT'S GO TIME!*** : Is this a thought or something you heard via the rumor mill? I'd take this in a heartbeat.
    Posted by PatsLifer


    A hunch, I think Kapernick fits so well with Wash's type O that's too difficult to see Mike S. pass him up.  I think in 5 years he's got a shot to be the best or 2nd best QB of this draft behind only Gabbert.
     
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    I know that bowers has his knee problem but i think he'd be worth the pick in the second. What do you guys think?
    Posted by APpats21


    It depends on how bad that knee is.  We just don't know the status and therefore can just watch and see how this unfolds for Bowers.  Going from a top ten pick to out of the 1st round is pretty significant.  That tells me right there that the knee is very unstable and there is probable permanent damage.  But if it's a question of a botched surgury, it didn't heal right or a team knows they can fix it and have him sit out the year taking him in, the 3rd round might be the thing to do.  Outside of the 3rd round I would give up on him.  That's the draft guys telling me that knee is shot.
     
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