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    People here disagree with that
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Titus Young has been getting a lot of play here.  He is a talent, but Mb pointed out he has some off-the-field issues, unsure how serious they are.  Seems to me this draft could be loaded with WR talent.  If Broyles comes out as rumored he would have to be considered a first round talent.  If Blackmon, Green, Jones, Floyd and Baldwin all declare this would be a sick draft for WRs.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]
    Titus Young was suspended for most of the season 2 years ago during his sophmore year. It was unclear what the reason was. The team was pretty tight lipped about it. I don't think he has had any major issues since. But it will all be fully investigated before the draft.
     
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    2011 NFL Draft Order

    The 2011 NFL Draft Order page is updated after each week of the NFL season until the 2011 NFL Draft.

    Updated 2011 NFL Draft Order after Week 12 of the 2011 NFL Season. Ties are broken based on weaker strength of schedule.

    1. Carolina Panthers (1-10)
    2. Detroit Lions (2-9)
    3. Cincinnati Bengals (2-9)
    4. Buffalo Bills (2-9)
    5. Arizona Cardinals (3-8)
    6. Dallas Cowboys (3-8)
    7. Denver Broncos (3-8)
    8. San Francisco 49ers (4-7)
    9. Minnesota Vikings (4-7)
    10. Cleveland Browns (4-7)
    11. St. Louis Rams (5-6)
    12. Oakland Raiders (NWE) (5-6)
    13. Seattle Seahawks (5-6)
    14. Washington Redskins (5-6)
    15. Tennessee Titans (5-6)
    16. Houston Texans (5-6)
    17. San Diego Chargers (6-5)
    18. Indianapolis Colts (6-5)
    19. Miami Dolphins (6-5)
    20. Jacksonville Jaguars (6-5)
    21. Kansas City Chiefs (7-4)
    22. New York Giants (7-4)
    23. Tampa Bay Bucs (7-4)
    24. Philadelphia Eagles (7-4)
    25. Green Bay Packers (7-4)
    26. New Orleans Saints (8-3)
    27. Chicago Bears (8-3)
    28. Baltimore Ravens (8-3)
    29. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3)
    30. New York Jets (9-2)
    31. Atlanta Falcons (9-2)
    32. New England Patriots (9-2)

     
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    Some has earned a spot on ignore, anyone care to guess who?  If they stop channeling Leon let me know and I will return to reading what they have to say.
     
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    The 2011 draft talent in combo with the quality & quantity of the Pats' picks is IMO, an unprecedented opportunity to build another multi-SB team.

    With the Raider 1st Rounder Pats MUST select a D-man who is a QB killer/disrupter:
    1. Akeem Ayers, OLB (UCLA) is my top choice - non-stop motor, speed, size
    2. Jared Crick, DL (Neb) is my 2nd choice
    3. Von Miler, OLB (TaxAM) is my 3rd choice

    With Pats 1st Rounder and Carolina 2nd Rounder we have a chance to nail a CB, and/or WR and/or RB:
    1. Jimmy Smith CB (Colo.) has great size and speed, giving Pats a future star to back-up Bodden and McCourty immediately
    2. Demarco Murray RB (Ok) his great speed to the outside and superior catching ability is the perfect complement to BJGE's inside style and TB's passing.
    3. Michael Floyd WR (ND) or Jon Baldwin WR (Pitt) both tall, fast deep, stretch the Defence Randy Moss style receivers.

    I think with any 3 of these guys Pats have the missing pieces to once and for all pass Jets and become SB favorites.

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    Too high for Crick and there are better 3-4 DEs out there.  Miller is more of a 4-3 OLB or at best a pass rush specialist in a 3-4.  And with a 1st rd pick u want more than that from him.  Like the RB and WR. 

    Dont care about passing the Jets as favorites, just like beating them when it counts.
     
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    [QUOTE]Too high for Crick and there are better 3-4 DEs out there.  Miller is more of a 4-3 OLB or at best a pass rush specialist in a 3-4.  And with a 1st rd pick u want more than that from him.  Like the RB and WR.  Dont care about passing the Jets as favorites, just like beating them when it counts.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]

    Good points on Crick and Miller.  I guess I have my heart set on Akeem Ayers ... so not enough thought on the other 15'th'ish overall picks ... I guess Heyward from Ohio St. is the safest DE pick for 15th?
     
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    [QUOTE]2011 NFL Draft Order The 2011 NFL Draft Order page is updated after each week of the NFL season until the 2011 NFL Draft. Updated 2011 NFL Draft Order after Week 12 of the 2011 NFL Season. Ties are broken based on weaker strength of schedule. 1. Carolina Panthers (1-10) 2. Detroit Lions (2-9) 3. Cincinnati Bengals (2-9) 4. Buffalo Bills (2-9) 5. Arizona Cardinals (3-8) 6. Dallas Cowboys (3-8) 7. Denver Broncos (3-8) 8. San Francisco 49ers (4-7) 9. Minnesota Vikings (4-7) 10. Cleveland Browns (4-7) 11. St. Louis Rams (5-6) 12. Oakland Raiders (NWE) (5-6) 13. Seattle Seahawks (5-6) 14. Washington Redskins (5-6) 15. Tennessee Titans (5-6) 16. Houston Texans (5-6) 17. San Diego Chargers (6-5) 18. Indianapolis Colts (6-5) 19. Miami Dolphins (6-5) 20. Jacksonville Jaguars (6-5) 21. Kansas City Chiefs (7-4) 22. New York Giants (7-4) 23. Tampa Bay Bucs (7-4) 24. Philadelphia Eagles (7-4) 25. Green Bay Packers (7-4) 26. New Orleans Saints (8-3) 27. Chicago Bears (8-3) 28. Baltimore Ravens (8-3) 29. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3) 30. New York Jets (9-2) 31. Atlanta Falcons (9-2) 32. New England Patriots (9-2)
    Posted by Rocky[/QUOTE]
    Rocky, our Oakland pick took a big hit today dropping to #17.  CAR remains at #33 and MIN is at #73
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Rocky, our Oakland pick took a big hit today dropping to #17.  CAR remains at #33 and MIN is at #73
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]


    Yeah....that Oak win hurt
     
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    After that loss, I think the Oak pick will be needed for us to get Kerrigan.  Just MHO
     
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    Oakland isn't fading as we hoped.  Their pick could now end up being in the 18-20 range.  If so, we can forget about landing one of the stud DEs or Kerrigan unless we are prepared to make a significant move up, which is something BB doesn't do.  So, I think our pass rushing OLB will have to come later in the draft if at all.  BB may feel that guys like Cunningham and Fletcher just need more time to develop; the same goes for the DL. 

    I now think we may be looking at OT with the Raider pick.  There are 4-5 guys who are in the 15-30 range.  I could see us dropping down a few spots picking up some later round picks and still coming away with a Carimi, Solder, Love, Sherrod or Castonzo in the 25-28 range.  If history is any lesson, we will trade down our OAK pick.  We traded down our first pick three drafts in a row now.  In 2008, we were at 7 and traded down to 10 to select Mayo.  In 2009 we traded out of the 1st round completely and drafted Chung at 34 ending up with 4 second rounders.  In 2010, we traded down twice in the first round finally selecting McCourty at #27 and ended up with 3 second rounders.  We began the draft with no 3rd or 5th round picks but ended up with both taking Price and Mesko.  This will very likely happen again since we don't have any sure picks after the 4th except for perhaps a 6th for David Thomas and a 6th comp pick for Watson.

    The draft looks to be very deep at WR.  If all the top juniors come out I count 12 guys with 3rd round or better grade.  The same goes for RB.  I count 15 with 3rd or 4th round or better grades if all top juniors RBs come out.  So, unless there is someone we are in love with, we could hold off on those positions until the MIN pick.  BB typically doesn't draft WR or RB high anyway. 

    A major need area as we all know is C/OG.  We could use two of them.  I see Hudson and Wisniewski as first round worthy.  Personally I think Hudson is too slight but someone will take him.  If Wisniewski is hanging around with our late first, CAR second, he would make a ton of sense.  We could play him at either guard position until Koppen moves on.  For centers the only other guy who I'd take before the 4th round would be O'Dowd perhaps late 2nd or with the MIN 3rd.  I also like Moffitt and Schilling in this range.  BB has also been very good with developing OGs from late rounds or as UDFA.  He might draft one, develop one. 

    If we don't go OT at the top of our draft, we could take Lee Ziemba a little later on.  Most boards have him in the 4-5 round range.  I think he ends up going late 2nd to late 3rd.

    Another question mark is at kicker.  Does anyone know the extend of Gostkowski's injury?  I think I heard it was some type of muscle tear in the thigh of his kicking leg.  If we end up with an extra 3rd or 4th, the kid from Nebraska would make a nice insurance policy.

     
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    [QUOTE]Some has earned a spot on ignore, anyone care to guess who?  If they stop channeling Leon let me know and I will return to reading what they have to say.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]

    a very good thought. i just went for it. thank you.
     
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    [QUOTE]After that loss, I think the Oak pick will be needed for us to get Kerrigan.  Just MHO
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon[/QUOTE]
    I'm not sure he will be in reach now.  Kerrigan will be looked at as a 43 DE and 34 OLB making him a hot commodity.  He could easily go top 10.
     
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    [QUOTE]...I now think we may be looking at OT with the Raider pick.  There are 4-5 guys who are in the 15-30 range.  I could see us dropping down a few spots picking up some later round picks and still coming away with a Carimi, Solder, Love, Sherrod or Castonzo in the 25-28 range.  ...
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    i think you are right about taking an OT there. i know this class is not regarded as having elite OTs, but i think OT is one position, other than QB, where there's going to be inflation. like QB position, too many teams are realizing they need to strengthen their OLs and OT is where many of them need upgrades.


     
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    Kerrigan has to show the measurables to get picked that high by a 3-4 team. A 4-3 team could take a chance, but if he comes in 4.8+ (maybe 4.7+), he's not going to be looked at by a 3-4 team as a late first rounder at best.
     
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    If the Pats want an big, strong, fast pass rusher Akeem Ayer is the man. Also a team Cpt at UCLA. Right now Pats have NO depth at OLB. Ninko works hard, but he should be the No. 4 in a 4 man OLB rotation. TBC, a No.3.

    Ayers and Cunningham would be a sweet 1/2 combo.
     
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    if i may borrow rocky's draft order, this is how i think the teams will pick.

    1. Carolina Panthers (1-10) they'll pick Luck -- /> will affect those needing QB
    2. Detroit Lions (2-9) -- CB
    3. Cincinnati Bengals (2-9) -- DE (but will probably trade for QB back up who could start)
    4. Buffalo Bills (2-9) -- DT/DE
    5. Arizona Cardinals (3-8) -- QB
    6. Dallas Cowboys (3-8) -- best available, likely a DL
    7. Denver Broncos (3-8) -- DL (but one who's at least 300 lbs)
    8. San Francisco 49ers (4-7) -- OT (they hae a 35 yr old LT)
    9. Minnesota Vikings (4-7) -- may not be able to resist taking a QB
    10. Cleveland Browns (4-7) -- WR (a weapon for McCoy)
    11. St. Louis Rams (5-6) -- WR (weapon for Bradford) but could go OT
    12. Oakland Raiders (NWE) (5-6) -- ???
    13. Seattle Seahawks (5-6) -- OT
    14. Washington Redskins (5-6) -- CB
    15. Tennessee Titans (5-6) -- DE (but will draft a back up QB)
    16. Houston Texans (5-6) -- CB
    17. San Diego Chargers (6-5) -- best available
    18. Indianapolis Colts (6-5) -- OT/OG
    19. Miami Dolphins (6-5) -- DE (a speedy one)
    20. Jacksonville Jaguars (6-5) -- DE
    21. Kansas City Chiefs (7-4) -- WR
    22. New York Giants (7-4) -- best defensive talent, likely a DE
    23. Tampa Bay Bucs (7-4) -- LB
    24. Philadelphia Eagles (7-4) -- DE, a chance of taking OT to give Vick more time
    25. Green Bay Packers (7-4) -- CB (woodson turning 35)
    26. New Orleans Saints (8-3) -- DE (as of last week, but it seems the D is playing better now)
    27. Chicago Bears (8-3) -- OL
    28. Baltimore Ravens (8-3) -- CB
    29. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3) -- OL
    30. New York Jets (9-2) -- OT (woody is also getting old)
    31. Atlanta Falcons (9-2) -- DT
    32. New England Patriots (9-2) ???


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : i think you are right about taking an OT there. i know this class is not regarded as having elite OTs, but i think OT is one position, other than QB, where there's going to be inflation. like QB position, too many teams are realizing they need to strengthen their OLs and OT is where many of them need upgrades.
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]
    Yes, I think OT is a strong possibility there.  I don't think we can rule out a DE/OLB type or a CB either.  Besides Kerrigan there could be Quinn, Bowers, Ayers, Houston, Beal and maybe Hightower, but I doubt he comes out.  Another position that is deep with potential first round talent is WR if the juniors declare. 

    I don't see any RBs worthy of a first round pick but there are a ton of them I have rated between the early 2nd and mid 4th, perhaps 12 or more. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I just don't see the Pats using one of their top four picks on a WR with the four young guys we have. I would much rather have FA Malcom Floyd than draft Micheal Floyd. I don't get why there isn't more love for Herzlich on this thread. He seems to be a Bruschi clone, just a playmaker. He's slotted in the mid-second where I would love to package our second and a pick next year to move up and get him. Right now with the Raiders winning I see our first four picks being an OT (Solder or Constanza) then a DL (Crick) then with Caroline pick Herzlich and with our 2nd rounder an OG (Shilling or O'Dowd). I'd like to sign Ronnie Brown or Michael Bush and draft Quiz Rodgers in the third round.
    Posted by pumpsiefan[/QUOTE]
    The issue with Herzlich is the cancer and has he made it all the way back.  If he has returned to the player he once was, he would be talked about much more.  We discussed him at length earlier in this thread.

    WR is a difficult position to predict what BB will do.  Malcolm Floyd will want big bucks.  BB has to first decide what to do with Branch.  He is set to earn $6MM next year in his final year.  Do we pick that up?  As for young WR talent on the team, I don't see it.  We have Welker and Edelman.  Tate has not impressed as a WR and Price has yet to see the field.  We could use 1-2 new wideouts.  BB has never drafted a WR in the first and only drafted 1 in the 2nd, Chad "bust" Jackson.  There are some WR this year that are special.  Green, Broyles, Jones, and Blackmon head my list.  Michael Floyd, Jon Baldwin and Randall Cobb I view as more 2nd round types.  For seniors Hankerson fits in there in the 2nd round discussion too IMO.  That's 8 already for the first 2 rounds.  Then you have guys like Smith, Pettis, Young, Salas, Maehl, Niles Paul and J-Koulianos that could go 3rd round or early 4th. 

    So, there are a lot of options at WR for BB everywhere he's picking.  It comes down to who does he think is solid and ready to make an impact and at what value place will he take 1 or more of them? 
     
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    [QUOTE]Kerrigan has to show the measurables to get picked that high by a 3-4 team. A 4-3 team could take a chance, but if he comes in 4.8+ (maybe 4.7+), he's not going to be looked at by a 3-4 team as a late first rounder at best.
    Posted by KyleCleric2[/QUOTE]

    There's a lot more that goes into evaluating a potential 3-4 OLB and their assumed draft position than a 40 time (i.e. ability to pressure the pocket, make plays behind the LOS, ability to set the edge vs. the run, agility/fluidity/awareness in coverage, ability to understand/execute assignments etc).  Even more telling would be his 10 yard split time which would indicate whether he has the ability to get a good jump/break off the snap in essence putting more pressure on the blocker to get into proper position to counter/react quickly.  I'd also prob rank the 3-cone and short shuttle #'s ahead of the 40 time as theyre flect a players fluidity and ability to change directions quickly.
     
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    [QUOTE]Lets assume the pats will have picks 17, 30, 33, 62 & 73. Based on last year´s draft, look what kind of players we can get. 17.- Mike Iupati 30.- Jahvid Best 33.- Rodger Saffold 62.- Brandon Spikes 73.- John Jerry Great right ??? quality players in those spots   Now, lets make the same thing with the 09 draft     17.- Josh Freeman 30.- Kenny Britt 33.- Louis Delmas 62.- Sen'Derrick Marks 73.- Derek Cox I have a lot of confidence that the PATS are gonna have a pretty solid draft I don´t see the raiders Pick to get lower than a 17. its gonna be probably a 12  - 13. 2009 # 13??   Brian Orakpo 2010 #13??Brandon Graham :) go pats  
    Posted by auchhhhhhhhhhh[/QUOTE]
    Yes, and that could translate this year to:

    17 - OT Anthony Castonzo
    30 - DE Jared Crick
    33 - RB Bilal Powell
    62 - CB Chimdi Chekwa
    73 - OLB KJ Wright
    94 - WR Derrell Johnson-Koulianos
    127 - RG Ricky Henry

    I was trying to pick 1 player in each obvious position of need.  Or we could do this?

    17 - WR Julio Jones
    30 - C/OG Stefen Wisniewski
    33 - S Rahim Moore
    62 - OT Lee Ziemba
    73 - OLB Sam Acho
    94 - RB Anthony Allen
    127 -FB Owen Marcic

    Or this?

    17 - OLB Robert Quinn
    30- OT Derek Sherrod
    33 - RB Mark Ingram

    62 - OG John Moffitt 
    73 - WR Austin Pettis
    94 - DE Mike Martin
    127 - SS Eric Hagg

    Or this?

    17 - OT Nate Solder
    30 - FS Rahim Moore
    33 - OLB Mark Herzlich
    62- C Kristopher O'Dowd
    73 - RB John Clay 
    94 - WR Titus Young
    127- DE Mike Blanc

    Or this?

    17 - DE Marcell Dareus
    30 - RB Kendall Hunter
    33 - OT DeMarcus Love

    62 - OG Stephen Schilling

    73 - WR Randall Cobb

    94 - OLB Pierre Allen

    127- FS Tejay Johnson

    I don't think I repeated anyone and there are many others I left out.  How can we go wrong?

     
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