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    1st round mock, bunch of 5-9 teams.  I probably don't have them in the right order but here it goes, looks like right now Pats (oakland) pick is 16. Light signs a 1 or 2yr extension and ends his career a Patriot Mankins after franchised finds a way to get a long term deal, if not Connolly is the LG and will need a RG but hope is Mankins.  He means too much to the OL, they play tougher with him there. 1. Carolina Panthers 2-12 Andrew Luck QB, Clausen is not working out, they don't pass up a star quality prospect, plus it will be a new coaching staff. 2. Cincinnati Bengals 3-11 Da'Quan Bowers DE They are as bad as it comes getting to the QB, Bowers will make a big impact as rookie.   They could also go QB here. 3. Denver Broncos 3-11 Patrick Peterson CB Their secondary is bad and getting older, Peterson starts day one. 4. Buffalo Bills 4-10 A.J. Green WR They could elect to stick with Fitz, Green gives him a talented WR to go with what's already an underated group.   5. Arizona Cardinals 4-10 Ryan Mallett QB As the Cardinals IMO they are a QB away from been a better team 6. Detroit Lions 4-10 Prince Amukamara CB They can use some OL help but no OL worth the 6th pick.   Their D keeps getting better. 7. Washington Redskins 5-9 Cam Newton QB with the benching of DM the skins are playing for a better draft spot to get their QB of the future 8. Cleveland Browns 5-9 Justin Blackmon WR They give Colt a big time WR to go along with their running game 9. Minnesota Vikings 5-9 Jake Locker QB they can't afford not to take a QB, they might make a play for DM but I believe they draft a young QB with a new coaching staff 10. San Francisco 49ers 5-9 Robert Quinn DE/OLB no brainer here, this guy will lead them in sacks 11. Dallas Cowboys 5-9 Nick Fairley DE I believe they go after Julio Jones, they could be without UFA Austin Miles but I think Fairley is too good to pass up. 12. Houston Texans 5-9 Rahim Moore S The Texans needs a many but a backend DB is a must, Moore could be a slight reach at 12 but he's the playmaker they need at safety. 13. Seattle Seahawks 6-8 Derek Sherrod OT They have 3 OL as Fas next season, they need the help all QBs off the board they wait for their QB 14. Tennessee Titans 6-8 Janoris Jenkins CB They need help in their secondary, they would love a QB but they are all gone by this point 15. Miami Dolphins 7-7 Mark Ingram RB either Brown or Williams will be gone next season, they replace either or even both with Ingram. 16. New England Patriots (via Raiders 7-7) JJ Watt DE With a bunch of average players Watt gives them a rook who develops into an everydown DE 17. San Diego Chargers 8-6 Ryan Kerrigan OLB the chargers need another pass rusher, Kerrigan will help 18. Jacksonville Jaguars 8-6 Von Miller OLB They start to build that front 7 19. Green Bay Packers 8-6 Brandon Harris CB They get younger in their secondary 20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8-6 Akeem Ayers DE Will help TB come after the QB 21. St. Louis Rams 6-8 Julio Jones WR Jones gives them a big play big time WR. 22. Indianapolis Colts 8-6 Derek Sherrod OT Their OL is getting old and not playing well, they need to get younger before allow Manning to get killed 23. Chicago Bears 9-6 Marcel Dareus DT they can go either DL or OL, Dareus is a top 10 in some mocks 24. New York Jets 10-4 Jonathan Baldwin WR They need OL help and DL help but with both their star WRs as Fas they can't afford to get Sanskirt a playmaker   25. Pittsburgh Steelers 9-5 Mike Pouncey OG why not they found a C in a Pouncey y not a OG in another Pouncey? 26. New York Giants 9-5 Cameron Jordan DT they have great Des to their interior DL 27. New Orleans Saints 10-4 Anthony Costanzo OT no secret here, they will pick any OT left at this point 28. Baltimore Ravens 10-4 Jimmy Smith CB Their complete D is looking slow and not as dominant as they once were part of that is sub play from their secondary. Reed can't be everywhere 29. Kansas City Chiefs 9-5 Jeremy Beal OLB MV's replacement he's not getting any younger 30. Philadelphia Eagles 10-4 Nate Solder OT Will help Vick stay clean and get even better as a passer 31. Atlanta Falcons 12-2 Rodney Hudson OG They are solid across the board, if Hudson can add some weight he will be a very good OG 32. NE Patriots 12-2 Aldon Smith OLB His name is not well known YET, big question is does he comeout as a red shirt softmore.   If he does he will be a 1st rounder.   Incredible first step and non stop motor.   Has a ton of upside, uses his speed to beat OT can add moves. 33. NE Patriots 12-2 Deunta Williams FS Williams (a converted WR) is a ballhawk who loves studying film and being coached.   He is a leader and selfless team mate.   (here's my shot) he's everything Merri is not and is not what Merri is! 64. NE Patriots 12-2 Johnny Patrick CB This guy can play man or zone, he is a sure tackler and has above average speed to go along with excellent instincts. 3rd rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 (Min) Stephen Schilling OG Better at pass protection than run blocking, he has room to add some lbs.   Will need to improve run blocking but should be a solid starter. 3rd rnd. ANE Patriots 12-2 Marcus Gilbert OT BB goes into the Pats minor league team, the FL Gators.   Gilbert has been productive and is able to do what Pats like to do with their OL.   He can pass protect as well as pull.   He's been productive run blocking against very good DLs in the SEC.    4th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 Anthony Allen RB This guys is a freight train (6'0" 230lbs), but can run over people or take it outside and run away from people.   He plays at GT so I believe he won't get all the media because of the style of O he plays in.   5th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 Armand Robinson WR Good route runner with very quick feet and speed to go over the top of Ds.   He probably needs time to develop into an all around NFL WR but has the upside to be a very good #2 or even a Branch type #1a or b. 6th rnd. NE Patriots 12-2 Andrew Jackson OL He's beeing compared to Mankins not only because he's from Fresno State.   He plays with the same mean streak as Mankins and is the same type player.   Has played every position other than C.   Not saying he's as good, but could worth a shot to bring this guy in.
    Posted by Pats7393


    Pats, good job, but you have Sherrod going to both Seattle and Colts!
     
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    Posted by fyyankees


    Sure did, thanks moved the OTs around.
     
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    Faucet, I agree with what u say about BBs OLBs.  The problem is if we never get one, we never see the improvement.  We have all seen the posts that BB never does this or that with examples being taking an OL in the 1st, then it was a LB.  He tends to shock us just when we think we have it figured out.  I think part of the reason we defensively declined was we never did take a guy to develop.  We dont have the continuity at the position that is sooooo very important to us, OLB.  Do I think any OLB we grab is going to unseat TBC or Ninkovich? not right away.  But if they do go down, we have a guy with a higher base level of skill to plug in. In Pitt, my favorite example of OLB drafting, they never play their rookie year as a starter, barring injury.    I do see Cunningham as a future solid OLB.  I would like to find and develop his bookend.  Keep Nink as our coverage guy, and TBC as a pass rush specialist.  I can see Kerrigan getting grabbed by a 3-4 team, I am just hoping he doesnt.  Just like my fingers are crossed on Watt at this point.  Add a solid OT and or C/OG and I am thrilled with our top 4 picks.  Rb in the 3rd to 4th, trade the Minn 3rd for a 2nd next year and I am good to go.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon

    BB has used free agency much more than the draft to acquire OLBs.   He acquired free agents Roman Phiferand Mike Vrabel in 2001, Rosevelt Colvinin 2003, and Adalius Thomas in 2007.  In 2009, He traded for Derrick Burgess.  He also signed free agent Tully Banta-Cainin 2009 after SF released him and he signed Rob Ninkovichin 2009.  Other than Vrabel and Ninkovich, these were fairly major acquisitions of known veterans with several having been to the Pro Bowl.  Vrabel was a pleasant surprise while Thomas and Burgess were disappointments.  The point is BB more often looks for F/A veterans at the OLB position as opposed to developing a young draft pick.

    Last year as we know he drafted Cunningham in the 2nd.  He also signed Dane Fletcher as an UDFA.  After one season, it is impossible to think either player has reached their full potential.  Prior to the last draft he drafted Shawn Crable as an OLB in the 3rd round of the 2008 draft.  Crable was a bust.  I am not aware of any other OLBs taken in the 4th round or higher in the BB era.  It could be there hasn't been a need until recently for drafting OLBs.  You're right, just when we think we have BB figured out, he fools us. 

    Still, we don't know how BB feels about his current crop of OLBs and if he feels there is anyone in the draft he thinks would do better.  I think it more likely for him to go after another veteran OLB if he feels he needs an upgrade vs. spending a high draft pick.  That's why I favor KJ Wright in the mid 50s or so.  He's 6-3, 250 and runs a 4.60.  This puts him right there with our other OLBs but faster.

    We do know BB very much values his DL and has invested three first round picks there over the years.  Since the whole D is dependent upon the front three, I would think there would be a higher likelihood that he would want to fix the DL before drafting another OLB.  In watching any of the games when we only rush 3, we get ZERO pressure.

     
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    Faucet, I agree with DL first, hopefully Watt.  After that, I am just hoping to infuse one more young low wear guy into our D to grow over the next few seasons and carry Brady and BB to rings 4 5 and 6 :)
    I am happy if the OLB we grab is in the first 2 rds. 
    As far as BBs history of adding vet OLBs, you are correct on that of course.  However, I think he is molding/creating a whole new D from the ground up this time.  Last time he was adding to an existing foundation and filling in the cracks.   I suspect that he thinks that a young, hand picked D can carry him and Brady past the point where TB's skills start to diminish a little and get an extra ring or so from it.  Grabbing a rookie allows the pick to learn the BB system from day one and not learn bad habits elsewhere. 
     
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    Nobody seems to be concerned about RB? I am ...
    1. Sammy  = gone
    2. Faulk = retired
    3. Taylor = done and gone

    Pats should be able to get DeMarco Murray in the 2nd Round. This guy is dynamic and is an EXCELLENT pass catching back. His outside speed, decent size and excellent pass catching ability makes him a perfect fit with BJGE and Woody AND for Tom Brady.

    BJGE is the off tackle dirty work inside and pass blocking back
    Woody is the change of pace back
    Murray is the speedy outside running/pass catching dual threat back

    This would be an incredible YOUNG triple threat backfield for the rest of TB's career.
     
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    jj watt has patriots written all over him. in the 2012 mock draft i looked at he was in the top ten, so if we can get him with our 16th pick we basically are getting a top ten pick a year early(if he declares). he is freakishly athletic and has a motor that never stops. when ty warren returns it would be a blessing to rotate these two guys until watt takes over(nothing hurts learning from a pro bowl savvy veteran). its going to be hard to double team big vince all day long with ends the caliber of watt and warren lining up opposite each other and next to big vince, then if we could pick up a olb like akeem ayers or von miller to line up with mayo spikes and cunningham we would have a dominant defense for the future. go pats.
     
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    Faucet, I agree with DL first, hopefully Watt.  After that, I am just hoping to infuse one more young low wear guy into our D to grow over the next few seasons and carry Brady and BB to rings 4 5 and 6 :) I am happy if the OLB we grab is in the first 2 rds.  As far as BBs history of adding vet OLBs, you are correct on that of course.  However, I think he is molding/creating a whole new D from the ground up this time.  Last time he was adding to an existing foundation and filling in the cracks.   I suspect that he thinks that a young, hand picked D can carry him and Brady past the point where TB's skills start to diminish a little and get an extra ring or so from it.  Grabbing a rookie allows the pick to learn the BB system from day one and not learn bad habits elsewhere. 
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon

    I'm with you Mord.  I too want Watt, Dareus or Fairley or someone who can get some pressure from the DE position.  After that I would like to add some OL help;  it could be an OT or someone who can play C or OG.  Pouncey, Wisneiski are my top choices.  If we miss out on them, then I say trade down with both 32/33 picks and land a Moffitt or Schilling with one and an OLB or S with the other.  We could actually do all four things.  We trade back with 32 and 33 then back up with 64 and end up with picks like 42, 46, 54 plus another 3rd that we can flip for a 2012 2nd.

    If we did this, or even if we don't we would still end up with 12 picks in three drafts that were taken in either the 1st or 2nd rounds. 
     
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    Pats, you know I'm loving Watt with that Raider pick.  However, I think you are mistaken if you think BB is going to spend his first 4 picks on defense.  He has the youngest defense in the NFL already at 25.6 years.  Bringing in 4 more guys at 21 - 23 is too much inexperience and youth.  You would be replacing guys who are 25 with guys who are 22.  He should go DL (if he can) at 15-17 then he should start getting some youth at OL, RB and WR.  I would rather him sprinkle in a veteran defender or two in free agency and start a mini youth movement on offense where it's needed.  We aren't going to find many Devin McCourty's who play like Pro Bowlers in their first year.  Our young guys need time to develop.
     
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    Pat,

    Austin Miles already re-upped with Dallas.  If Fairley is sitting there at #11, shouldn't we package #64 and #16 and move up to get him? 
     
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    The Raider pick is actually looking like #15.  They are #16 in the league standings but an NFC West team is going to make the play-offs with a worse record, either SEA or STL appear likely with SF still alive.  There are 12 play-off teams and right now four 8-6 teams on the outside with one, IND, on the inside. 

    The Raiders and Dolphins are the only 7-7 teams and since MIA beat OAK, MIA holds the tie breaker.  The Raiders have IND and @ KC left with both teams fighting for their lives.  I think the Raiders lose them both.  Even if they slit, MIA hosts DET then plays NE who should be playing for nothing.  MIA should finish 8-8 and even if OAK upsets either KC or IND, they likely can't pass MIA.  I also looked at the five 8-6 teams.  They should all be favored to win at least one of their remaining games so for this reason, the OAK pick should be no worse than 15.

    I then went to see if any 6-8 teams could win out overtaking OAK.  I believe MIN loses to CHI tonight to go 5-9.  The 6-8 teams are SEA, STL and TEN.  As mentioned either SEA or STL will win the division.  SEA has @ TB, STL while STL has SF, @ SEA.  I think they both split to finish 7-9.  If OAK also finishes 7-9 it doesn't matter, OAK beat both SEA and STL and would hold the tie breaker.  TEN beat OAK but I can't see them beating IND or KC so they aren't going to finish 7-9. 

    I looked at the schedules of the 5 win teams.  None appear to be able to win out.  So in reality, the OAK pick is looking pretty strong at #15 with upsets needed to change this spot.
     
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    With #15 and #32 we could move up to #6 and get a 5th round pick, #134 (a little lower depending on comp picks).  Would we do it for Nick Fairley or Patrick Peterson?  We could move to #4 if we included our MIN pick.  With Bodden coming back, I don't think I'd do it for Peterson, as good as he is.  However, for Fairley, I'd move up to #6.  Fairley is the next Warren Sapp.  He is what our Defense is missing.  He makes the whole defense better.  We still have pick 33 to get a stud OT or to move down for a stud OG. I still love Watt and would give up 64 and 15 to get him but Fairley is just a bit more disruptive.  We have to get a stud DE this draft.  I'd do this, sign Light 1-2 years to put off replacing him and tag Mankins meaning we only need 1 interior linesmen to back up the middle 3.
     
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    If you want JJ Watt with the No. 16 pick; then you can't also have Ayers/or Vonn, because neither will be there at No. 32.

    You have to be strategic. The OLB has to be taken at 16, because there are so FEW that meet the Pats specifications (size, speed, strength 3-4 exp). Ayer is a no brainer for Pats; I'd trade up to get him if necessary...

    There's a cr@p load of quality DEs in this draft. You get your DE at 32.

    Then at 33 we get a RB or CB (Demarco Murray or Jimmy Smith/Ras-I Dowling)


     
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    Pats won't draft a RB...Bill will get a proven pass catching back in free agency, either by trading players or offering a contract straight up.....Ronnie Brown, DeAngelo williams or Pierre Thomas will be a Patriot next year...I'm betting it's pierre Thomas which I would LOVE to have
     
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    Outside linebacker K.J. Wright (Mississippi State) has the measurables (6’-3’’/245lbs) and the skill to be a big time player at the next level.  Wright is fast out to the flanks and cuts off the corners from running backs.   He plays with an aggressive style, displays a good amount of athleticism and does a solid job diagnosing the action.  Wright occasionally plays over the slot receiver and holds his own.  We rated him as a 2nd/3rd rounder and feel he has top 45 potential.  http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=2908

     
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    How is it that of like 20 of the most recent mock's I googled only 3-4 of them have Watt in the 1st round? Yet this board has posters holding prayer sessions that he makes it to pick 14-18? I like this mock from a Pats draft site:-) Watt and Kerrigan http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/12/2011-nfl-mock-draft-part-2.html
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    6-6 300 DL with a big motor, the versatility to play both the 3 and 5 tech, the ability to get after the QB/make plays in the backfield (10 QB hurries, 7 sacks, 21 TFL) and stuff the run, don't grow on trees.  It's a fair question, but underclassmen don't always show up high on a lot of draft boards early in the process (see: Mayo, Jerod).  If this kid declares, he's a potential top 20 selection IMO; especially considering the number of teams that now employ a 3-4.
     
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    Outside linebacker K.J. Wright (Mississippi State) has the measurables (6’-3’’/245lbs) and the skill to be a big time player at the next level.  Wright is fast out to the flanks and cuts off the corners from running backs.   He plays with an aggressive style, displays a good amount of athleticism and does a solid job diagnosing the action.  Wright occasionally plays over the slot receiver and holds his own.  We rated him as a 2 nd /3 rd rounder and feel he has top 45 potential.  http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=2908
    Posted by natesubs

    Finally, someone else is starting to talk about Wright.  He's a player.  His team's website lists him at 6-4, 250 and he claims to run a 4.60 flat.  This makes him faster than all of our OLBs, not counting Guyton who sometimes plays OLB.  He's not a big sack producer but is very good against the run and pass. 
     
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    If you want JJ Watt with the No. 16 pick; then you can't also have Ayers/or Vonn, because neither will be there at No. 32. You have to be strategic. The OLB has to be taken at 16, because there are so FEW that meet the Pats specifications (size, speed, strength 3-4 exp). Ayer is a no brainer for Pats; I'd trade up to get him if necessary... There's a cr@p load of quality DEs in this draft. You get your DE at 32. Then at 33 we get a RB or CB (Demarco Murray or Jimmy Smith/Ras-I Dowling)
    Posted by CanadianPat

    I understand your point.  However, I'm not hoping to add a DE that adds depth.  Those other guys you mention are not game changers.  Most don't even fit the size requirement.  I want a stand-out stud who can dominate a game.  Fairley and Watt are that type of player.  Dareus would also be really solid.  Guys like these don't come along every draft.  I think Fairley could be as good as Suh and Watt while not as dynamic better fits the mold of a BB player.  Watt plays smart, under control but he too is very disruptive.  As MB says, he can play 34 or 43 DE which means you can leave him in there in any alignment.  Watt with his wing span will bat down passes, he can get an arm on a runner and usually when he does, it's no contest.  If Watt and Wilfork can each occupy two players, any OLB can get after the QB. 

    I'm not knocking your statement, a stud OLB would be great too whether it is Kerrigan, Ayers or Von Miller.  I just think you start at the DL.  BB historically has felt that way too.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : 6-6 300 DL with a big motor, the versatility to play both the 3 and 5 tech, the ability to get after the QB/make plays in the backfield (10 QB hurries, 7 sacks, 21 TFL) and stuff the run, don't grow on trees.  It's a fair question, but underclassmen don't always show up high on a lot of draft boards early in the process (see: Mayo, Jerod).  If this kid declares, he's a potential top 20 selection IMO; especially considering the number of teams that now employ a 3-4.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Hey buddy, sounds like you're coming around on Watt.  I agree wholeheartedly with your comments.  I can't wait to see how Watt does against the supposed #1 RT in college football, Marcus Cannon.  If Watt can get by this huge man, he can get by just about anyone.  Watt does seem to favor attacking the right side of the offensive line although I have seen him stymied before on the left side and moved to go up against a weaker opponent.

    Check out this story.  Watt beats out Patrick Peterson for the Lott Award.  Does this kid sound like a Patriot or what?  He will take someone's head off in a game then stay after to help old ladies cross the street.

    NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- J.J. Watt of Wisconsinhas won the Lott Trophy.

    Watt received the award named for Hall of Fame defensive back Ronnie Lott on Sunday night at the Pacific Club. It honors on-field performance and personal character among defensive players.

    Watt led the Rose Bowl-bound Badgers with 21 tackles for loss, 10 quarterback hurries and seven sacks this season. He also forced three fumbles, recovered two, had an interception and blocked three kicks. He is the first Wisconsin player to win the award.

    The other finalists were Sam Acho of Texas, Casey Matthews of Oregon and Patrick Petersonof LSU.

    Watt is an honor student and has formed his own charity to benefit local elementary and middle schools that lack funding. He began his college career at Central Michigan, worked at a Pizza Hut for six months while trying to earn a scholarship to Wisconsin, and eventually won a starting spot on the defensive line.

    Wisconsin will receive $25,000 for its general scholarship fund.

     
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    I don't think pick 15 lands Watt.  I think he goes top 10.  Once he runs a 4.85 at 300 lbs at the Combine, this kid's stock will go through the roof.  Watt could be the next Richard Seymour in his earlier days. 
     
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    Pats, you know I'm loving Watt with that Raider pick.  However, I think you are mistaken if you think BB is going to spend his first 4 picks on defense.  He has the youngest defense in the NFL already at 25.6 years.  Bringing in 4 more guys at 21 - 23 is too much inexperience and youth.  You would be replacing guys who are 25 with guys who are 22.  He should go DL (if he can) at 15-17 then he should start getting some youth at OL, RB and WR.  I would rather him sprinkle in a veteran defender or two in free agency and start a mini youth movement on offense where it's needed.  We aren't going to find many Devin McCourty's who play like Pro Bowlers in their first year.  Our young guys need time to develop.
    Posted by Faucetman


    Hi Faucet,

    I thought the same but started looking accross the board at RBs and OL on the roster and there's a trend there.

    OL
    Light 2nd rnd
    Mankins 1st rnd (32nd)
    Koppen 5th rnd
    Connolly UDFA
    Voll 2nd rnd (58th)

    LeVoir UDFA
    Ohr 4th rnd
    Wendell UDFA (he did ok when connolly went out)
    Ojinnaka traded from Atlanta (was a 5th rnd)
    Neal UDFA

    RB
    BJGE UDFA
    Woody UDFA
    Morris FA '07
    Taylor FA '09
    Faulk 2nd rnd
    Kettani UDFA (military commitment)

    Practice Squad, I was looking at the roster and honestly didn't know about Maneri.  A college TE who has an interesting draft scouting report from SI.com.  He's 6'6" 290 (now 271 out of college) runs a 4.81 (not good for a TE but very good for a RT.  Could this kid be getting groomed to take over the RT spot?  anyone know much about him?
    Steve Maneri
    Position: TE
    Class: 4Sr
    School: Temple
    Conference: Mid-American
    HT: 6-7
    WT: 271
    40 Time: 4.81
    Biography: Two years starter who totaled 12/134/2 as a senior after 14/150/4 the prior year.

    Positives: Large, powerful, tight end who is dominant blocking on the line of scrimmage. Jolts opponents at the point of attack, stays square and rides defenders off the line. Quickly gets into blocks, plays with a nasty attitude and easily controls opponents once engaged in a block. Seals defenders from the action with good body positioning or blocks down and completely removes them from the action. Effectively extends his hands to make the reception away from his frame.

    Negatives: Rarely involved in the offense at Temple. Marginal speed nothing more than a short range target.

    Analysis: Maneri is a powerful prospect who could well be the best blocking tight end in this year's draft. He will also get consideration at offensive tackle based on his size. Mangeri is a solid late round pick who can be used as a team?s blocking tight end or developmental tackle prospect.

    Projection: 7th


    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/55587.html#ixzz18kuXUJ7K

    I don't know BB will draft a OL or RB high I think WR is out of the question as well but I think if OL is brought in it will be later.  Voll is the LT of the future, he handled Matthews (best rushing OLB) very well.  I don't see a RT beeing drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.  I also don't see a Mankins type OG that will be available that I can say yes we need that guy at 32 or 33.  RBs, there are some good ones that will be available later rounds including my guy from Georgia Tech who is a load to bring down.  Time to start giving BJGE and Woody their due, this is the starting tandom and feel good about those two next season and hopefully a few years worth of these guys in the backfield.

    Merri needs to be gone, Sanders stays, McGowan is a FA if I'm not mistaken and the IMO Deunta Williams is an upgrade over the other guys.  Chung is in his 3rd year, DM was never a rook, Wilhite probably gone, Arrington most into the slot Butler is the wild card but BB has drafted a CB early in the last few drafts.

    All that been said, who the heck knows how BB sees his team but two keys to the draft and I think we can all agree here:
    If these two things do not happen then I think my mock has to change:

    Light gets a 1yr or 2yr extension
    Mankins either franchised and signed long term or agrees to contract right after the season.  He IMO is a must sign, the OL plays much more physical with this guy in there.

    Also a few UFA will be available, RG (jaguars) Uche Nwaneri will be available could he be a good addition? 
     
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    I have been one to want Justin Blackmon, but what about Ryan Broyles...great hands and route running...seems more like a Patriots player than Blackmon and will be available later.

    We haven't really talked much about Broyles...wonder how far into the second round he would go...


    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK***:
    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Hi Faucet, I thought the same but started looking accross the board at RBs and OL on the roster and there's a trend there. OL Light 2nd rnd Mankins 1st rnd (32nd) Koppen 5th rnd Connolly UDFA Voll 2nd rnd (58th) LeVoir UDFA Ohr 4th rnd Wendell UDFA (he did ok when connolly went out) Ojinnaka traded from Atlanta (was a 5th rnd) Neal UDFA RB BJGE UDFA Woody UDFA Morris FA '07 Taylor FA '09 Faulk 2nd rnd Kettani UDFA (military commitment) Practice Squad, I was looking at the roster and honestly didn't know about Maneri.  A college TE who has an interesting draft scouting report from SI.com.  He's 6'6" 290 (now 271 out of college) runs a 4.81 (not good for a TE but very good for a RT.  Could this kid be getting groomed to take over the RT spot?  anyone know much about him? Steve Maneri SI Grade 2.33 Grading System Position:   TE Class:  4Sr School:   Temple Conference:   Mid-American HT:  6-7 WT:  271 40 Time:  4.81 Biography:  Two years starter who totaled 12/134/2 as a senior after 14/150/4 the prior year. Positives:  Large, powerful, tight end who is dominant blocking on the line of scrimmage. Jolts opponents at the point of attack, stays square and rides defenders off the line. Quickly gets into blocks, plays with a nasty attitude and easily controls opponents once engaged in a block. Seals defenders from the action with good body positioning or blocks down and completely removes them from the action. Effectively extends his hands to make the reception away from his frame. Negatives:  Rarely involved in the offense at Temple. Marginal speed nothing more than a short range target. Analysis:  Maneri is a powerful prospect who could well be the best blocking tight end in this year's draft. He will also get consideration at offensive tackle based on his size. Mangeri is a solid late round pick who can be used as a team?s blocking tight end or developmental tackle prospect. Projection:  7th Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/55587.html#ixzz18kuXUJ7K I don't know BB will draft a OL or RB high I think WR is out of the question as well but I think if OL is brought in it will be later.  Voll is the LT of the future, he handled Matthews (best rushing OLB) very well.  I don't see a RT beeing drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.  I also don't see a Mankins type OG that will be available that I can say yes we need that guy at 32 or 33.  RBs, there are some good ones that will be available later rounds including my guy from Georgia Tech who is a load to bring down.  Time to start giving BJGE and Woody their due, this is the starting tandom and feel good about those two next season and hopefully a few years worth of these guys in the backfield. Merri needs to be gone, Sanders stays, McGowan is a FA if I'm not mistaken and the IMO Deunta Williams is an upgrade over the other guys.  Chung is in his 3rd year, DM was never a rook, Wilhite probably gone, Arrington most into the slot Butler is the wild card but BB has drafted a CB early in the last few drafts. All that been said, who the heck knows how BB sees his team but two keys to the draft and I think we can all agree here: If these two things do not happen then I think my mock has to change: Light gets a 1yr or 2yr extension Mankins either franchised and signed long term or agrees to contract right after the season.  He IMO is a must sign, the OL plays much more physical with this guy in there. Also a few UFA will be available, RG (jaguars) Uche Nwaneri will be available could he be a good addition? 
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK***:
    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Finally, someone else is starting to talk about Wright.  He's a player.  His team's website lists him at 6-4, 250 and he claims to run a 4.60 flat.  This makes him faster than all of our OLBs, not counting Guyton who sometimes plays OLB.  He's not a big sack producer but is very good against the run and pass. 
    Posted by Faucetman



    I just noticed him thanks to you.  Good guy to look at some more! Thanks. Anyone else you think would be an unknown guy who might interest BB?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK***:
    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Finally, someone else is starting to talk about Wright.  He's a player.  His team's website lists him at 6-4, 250 and he claims to run a 4.60 flat.  This makes him faster than all of our OLBs, not counting Guyton who sometimes plays OLB.  He's not a big sack producer but is very good against the run and pass. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    I wouldn't mind seeing a kid like this just because of the type of player and work ethic which would fit right in.  He's a team leader which seems to be a must for new rooks coming in.  Don't know he'll fill the need as a rush LB but would be a good cover LB in sub packages IMO.  Has had good games, saw him against GA he did very well in coverage.

    I still think we could see Dontay Moch drafted to rush the passer.  Like I pointed out before, he would give the speed Arrington brings off the egde but much stronger and experienced.  He runs a 4.38 at 240lbs!  He doesn't only run fast kid can actually ball.  Hey if we can have a 5'7" 190lb RB why not a 6'1" OLB?  Works for other teams,

    "Moch is the reigning Defensive Player of the Year in the Western Athletic Conference. He has accumulated 41 tackles for loss, including 21.5 sacks, in his career at Nevada. He holds the Wolf Pack's single-season records in both sacks (11.5, in 2008) and tackles for loss (20.0, in 2009)"
     
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    I have been one to want Justin Blackmon, but what about Ryan Broyles...great hands and route running...seems more like a Patriots player than Blackmon and will be available later. We haven't really talked much about Broyles...wonder how far into the second round he would go... In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** :
    Posted by mcboyd22


    I think Broyles if he comes out should be in the conversation if a WR is targeted.  he's not a burner but he's an excellent WR, runs great routes.  He's the type of WR that IMO would flourish in this O but if Price develops he and Broyles would almost be the same type of role. 
     
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    Posted by mcboyd22


    Broyles is a great fit for their scheme.  He possesses his great quicks and agility with excellent RAC ability which makes him dangerous on the short to intermediate routes and is basically what their passing offense is predicated on.  He's also has some PR potential.  I've read that he had some "discipline issues early in his career" so that'll need to be looked into.
     
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