2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    I had some free time last night and decided to check out some lesser known DL men. One name I kept coming across over and over again is Muhammand Wilkerson DT/DE out of Temple. I haven't seen his name tossed around the board a lot and when looking at most reports he seems to be moving up into the 3rd range but this guy looks like that surprise guy the Pats grab every year and people go who the heck, they grabbed him where? I don't know but just watching tape on the guy he's very impressive. He has very solid technic and uses his strength and hands to great affect but still needs some work against elite talent. For a guy his size he has average spend but his agility is off the charts and managed to bat down 4 balls this past year. He also has a solid track from his freshman year through to this past year with enormous upside. I can actually see the Pats spending a mid 2nd or early pick on the kid and all the draft guru's going, why did they go after him this high? It makes no sense he's a 3-4 range player. Just someone to kept an eye out for with our pick in the 1st or when they trade back one of their picks in the middle 2nd area
    Posted by PatsEng



    I have seen his name mentioned everywhere as a possible player on the Patriots radar.
     
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    I thought these linemen had pretty decent bowl game performances.

    Stefen Wisniewski
    Clint Bowling

    Pouncey looked great pulling but its so hard to evaluate him on the interrior as the Florida running game is awful and there is no push up the middle and I just don't know if that has anything to do with Pouncey or not.
     
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    I thought these linemen had pretty decent bowl game performances. Stefen Wisniewski Clint Bowling Pouncey looked great pulling but its so hard to evaluate him on the interrior as the Florida running game is awful and there is no push up the middle and I just don't know if that has anything to do with Pouncey or not.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I really like Wisniewski but only as an eventual Koppen replacement. I think he'd be great as a C but he's a bit to small for G.

    Pouncey I think could play either G or C but rumor is the Steelers are looking towards him so he might be taken before we get a chance.

    I'd also look at Cannon as the late 1st early 2nd range as a G. He can run block as well as pass block and could be Neal's replacement before the end of the 11' season.
     
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    first 3 should be OL, DL, and OLB...in which ever order it works out as...depending on the available talent.  RB, DB's, and additional OLB and OL to be the next wave.  WR, QB, etc to be only if someone "falls" into their lap...
     
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     New poster who looks forward to this discussion every year. As an FSU alum, I have to put in my two cents for Rodney Hudson - all-America G - 6"2", 285. Small for a guard, but projected to move to center. Wouldn't mind him in the 4-5 rounds.
     
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    Faucet , I have to finally disagree with you.......... You are not an average fan
    Posted by maxnsl

    I've got you fooled, huh Max:))).  Thanks man.  I learn a lot about players on here too from Low, Pats, Mb, Zb and everyone else, too many to mention. 
     
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    Faucet, with Watt hurting his stock a little, what do u think of taking either of these 2 groups assuming they are there. Oak--Kerrigan Pats--Carimi/Love Car--Watt  or Oak--Costanzo/Solder whomever grades out best Pats--Watt Car--Houston I think either can be realistic at this time, obviously tons can change and will, but for now it would be nice for either being our top 3 picks.
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon

    Either option would be pretty sweet.  I really don't think Watt will make it to the end of round 1.  There are too many 34 teams now (18, by last count) and he fits the mold perfectly.  But I was shocked Dan Williams lasted as long as he did last year too.  I think Watt is there at 17 now but hoping he makes it to 32 is a bit too optimistic.  The Combine, Pro Day, Wonderlick and interviews will elevate him.  He's a very smart kid and has a lot of good tape.  One poor performance shouldn't permanently reduce his stock.
     
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    To tell you the truth Faucet I'm honestly not sure where Watt falls. I've seen him as high as a top 15 pick and as low as a late 2nd. IMO he falls somewhere in the middle. The way I look at it is there will be a run of QB's, WR's, CB's and the top DL's quickly in the early first and teams who need skill players will panic and trade up quick pushing players who would normally be mid to late 1st round picks like Watt back into the early 2nd round. If I had to put my finger on it I'd say Watt would end up in the 25-40 range.

    The teams I would say most likely to pick him up in that range (given other needs first) are the Jets, Pats, Cle, Den, and maybe Bal

    So imo he has will most likely be the player that if he doesn't get taken in the teens could fall all the way to the mid 2nd round. Either way I'd take the chance of him making it to 32nd and if he's not there then there are other high end players in the OL, OLB, DL areas that will be.
     
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    My 1/3/11 gut feel prediction... With the 17th pick inthe 2011 NFL draft, the New England Patriots select... Cameron Jordan, the DT from Cal. Immediately sending 90% of the BDC Forum into a frenzy. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    I completely agree with this idea. I think I mentioned it about 40 or so pages ago, but Jordan is someone I have had on my radar for sometime now, especially given his size, position and playing in the 3-4 at Cal. I wish he had another 15 pounds on him, I'm curious to see what he ways in at at the combine. 6'4", 290lbs or so should be right on the edge of BB's 3-4 DE mold.
     
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    I'm too lazy to go back and look, but I think it was either Faucet or LOW talking about using a player (Mankins if signed and traded) to possibly move up in the draft combined with our Oakland pick.

    I have another player+pick trade/move up scenario.

    Dallas is sitting pretty at 9. Could we possibly trade Page or one of our safeties to Dallas plus our #17 pick + another pick possibly a 3rd-5th rounder (if needed) to move up to 9 and grab Dareus?

    When looking at the 3-4 DE's coming out, I think Dareus stands out as the premier pick in this draft. I don't know how much fall off there is between he and Jordan or Watts..Any takers? .....

    Would #9 get it done for us, or does Dareus go earlier?
     
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    If the Pats win the Superbowls and Mankins re-signs, BB might trade away a good number of the 2011 draft picks for future draft picks. There are OL, DL needs, but with Bodden, Ty Warren  and a number of players returning from IR, there are just not that many needs or open spots in the roster. BB will pick the best OL, DL and assorted prospects at the approriate rounds if there is value. But using all the draft picks this coming year may be wasting the choices the Pats need to restock a couple of years down the road.
     
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    If the Pats win the Superbowls and Mankins re-signs, BB might trade away a good number of the 2011 draft picks for future draft picks. There are OL, DL needs, but with Bodden, Ty Warren  and a number of players returning from IR, there are just not that many needs or open spots in the roster. BB will pick the best OL, DL and assorted prospects at the approriate rounds if there is value. But using all the draft picks this coming year may be wasting the choices the Pats need to restock a couple of years down the road.
    Posted by nomadfan


    I think that is sound logic. I don't see a ton of holes on this current team. But, I do see quite a few places that need upgrading. Look at the CB position for example. I think you can pencil in Bodden and McCourty as having considerable talent to start. But, if you consider Butler, Wilhite, Arrington, etc., can we and should we be thinking about upgrading? For some bizarre reason there is a highly touted corner available when we pick and that player is BPA, do you make the pick, upgrade the position, and trade/release Butler or Wilhite? Same logic I would apply to virtually any position on this team less QB of course.

    I'm not against continuing to trade into future years, but I also think upgrading certaiin positions if there is talent available when we pick and that talent compares favorably to current players on the roster is sound judgement.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : I completely agree with this idea. I think I mentioned it about 40 or so pages ago, but Jordan is someone I have had on my radar for sometime now, especially given his size, position and playing in the 3-4 at Cal. I wish he had another 15 pounds on him, I'm curious to see what he ways in at at the combine. 6'4", 290lbs or so should be right on the edge of BB's 3-4 DE mold.
    Posted by PatsLifer



    Correct, you did mention him which prompted me to check him out further.  I've been extremely impressed with what I've seen, be it smaller sample sizes, but everything I've read on the kid has been positive as well.  For example, Wes Bunting of the National Football stated the following about him:

    "Besides Auburn DT Nick Fairley, Jordan has been the nation’s most dominant defensive lineman on a week-to-week basis. Looks like a potential blue-chip defender at the next level."

    Below were my thoughts after watching him:

    *Looks explosive off the snap.
    *Shows some short area quickness.
    *Uses his hands well.
    *Has the ability to split the double team.

    *Gives a good effort.
    *Shows awareness/ability to locate the football.
    *Strong at the POA.
    *Shows the ability to penetrate, collapse the pocket.

    Like you, I think his measurables will play a factor.  I've seen him listed anywhere from 280-287 and agree that weighing in at 290+, while still a tad light, could be enough to get him to Foxboro.  I just think his skill set, combined with his versatility (scheme diverse) and consistency would be too much for BB to pass up.

     
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    I had some free time last night and decided to check out some lesser known DL men. One name I kept coming across over and over again is Muhammand Wilkerson DT/DE out of Temple. I haven't seen his name tossed around the board a lot and when looking at most reports he seems to be moving up into the 3rd range but this guy looks like that surprise guy the Pats grab every year and people go who the heck, they grabbed him where? I don't know but just watching tape on the guy he's very impressive. He has very solid technic and uses his strength and hands to great affect but still needs some work against elite talent. For a guy his size he has average spend but his agility is off the charts and managed to bat down 4 balls this past year. He also has a solid track from his freshman year through to this past year with enormous upside. I can actually see the Pats spending a mid 2nd or early pick on the kid and all the draft guru's going, why did they go after him this high? It makes no sense he's a 3-4 range player. Just someone to kept an eye out for with our pick in the 1st or when they trade back one of their picks in the middle 2nd area
    Posted by PatsEng


    PE,
    Good name, I've tried to research the kid a bit, but haven't been able to find any game tape on him.  Do you have any links?

    I did see a field interview with him and he's a solid 6-5 305, didn't look to have too much fat on his bones.

    Based on everything I've read, he looks to be a BB type, great size, scheme diverse, big motor.  He's definitely been added to my list of potential DE's.
     
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    Stanford vs. VT on espn, get a look at Stanford FB/LB Owen Marecic.  The kid has been starting on both sides of the ball and looks to be the tough, versatile, blue collar type "football players" that BB loves to draft.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : After watching this Pats offense produce the 7th highest scoring season in NFL history, I'm convinced that the need for a tall, deep threat vertical receiver is just a myth.  I'd rather take a shifty 5'10-6'0 tall guy with great lateral quickness and route-running ability.  A guy with the smarts to reads defenses before the snap and be in sync with Brady in terms of adjustments that need to be made.  Julio Jones, Michael Floyd, Blackmon and Hankerson are all very gifted and will make for good receivers at the next level, just maybe not in New England.   I'd look closer at Ryan Broyles and Titus Young.  Broyles is a pass catching machine - 118 receptions this season in a very pro-style offense at OU.  He's a threat over the middle, down the sideline and on a smoke screen.  He's a gamebreaker who's very good after the catch.  My only concern is the arrest back in '07 when he was a freshman(stole gas from a pump).  From what I've read, he's a good kid and just made some bad decisions early in his college career.  I think you put his locker next to Branch's and he'll be fine.   
    Posted by ShiningWizard

    Wizard and Mb,

    The WR discussion is an interesting one.  Do we want another Branch or a tall vertical guy?  Let's face it, Moss helped us re-write the record books in 2007.  He'd still be a Patriot if he didn't throw all those tantrums and put himself ahead of team.  The choice to get rid of Moss and bring in Branch had little or nothing to do with wanting to change our passing style, it was to change players.  Brady's INTs usually came from throwing to Moss and him rounding off his routes or not becoming a defender if the pass wasn't right on, etc.  Personally, I'd rather get a tall vertical threat like a Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon just because we proved with Moss that the recipe works.  A player like Jones or Blackmon lined up opposite of Branch gives your offense a different look.  I'm not knocking Broyles either.  I think he would be a great pick and could take over as #1 for Branch in a year or two.

    Above everything is we need character guys.  I did a little research for LowIQ the other day on top 15 WR busts.  Not sure if you guys saw it.  I only researched half the names because it was time consuming and I got bored.  However, it was interesting.  There were several WRs that put up massive numbers in college, were drafted in the top 15 and became busts.  A common theme for the busts were either injury or behavorial problems.  For the players who got in trouble in the Pros there was almost always a problem in college, a theft, a car chase, a DUI, suspension for breaking team rules, etc, but there was always something in their past. 

    Today's suspension of Deaderick isn't surprising.  He was shot in college.  At the time the word was he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time but maybe there was more "wrong" with the place than just him being there.  People who are living right generally don't get shot.  I've lived less than a stellar life, made a few enemies but I've never been shot.  Heck, I've never had a knife or gun pulled on me in my 47+ years.  Look at Vick.  He had that birthday party where shots were fired after he left.  Who has parties where guns are present?  What kind of people do that?  I think this is a valuable lesson.  Let's not pick players who have little past problems especially in the first three rounds.  Now Hernandez was a 4th round pick but he was 2nd round worthy if not for the pot.  We can't risk a high pick on a talented high risk player.  A 4th rounder on Hernandez is an acceptable risk but none of us should be surprised if something later crops up with him as it has now with Deaderick. 

    For me, AJ Green and Robert Quinn are off my board.  Not that they would make it to us at 17 anyway.  We need solid character guys. 
     
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    I don't know enough about Deadrick to know, but there was probably some degree of trauma associated with getting shot. PTSD might not have played a role in his self-destructive behavior, but self-destructive behavior is a common symptom of this not well understood disorder. You see it a lot with veterans who wreck their lives and sometimes end up homeless. Getting shot isn't necessarily a sign of bad character, and while it could be that he is of low character, there is another mis-understood factor that could be at least partially responsible. Getting suspended from the best team in football as a low level rookie doesn't seem rational even for a self-interested person of low character. Just throwing that out there.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : PE, Good name, I've tried to research the kid a bit, but haven't been able to find any game tape on him.  Do you have any links? I did see a field interview with him and he's a solid 6-5 305, didn't look to have too much fat on his bones. Based on everything I've read, he looks to be a BB type, great size, scheme diverse, big motor.  He's definitely been added to my list of potential DE's.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Being a DT he doesn't really have a highlight reel you just have to watch Temple's game video's. In 08 and 09 he wears #96 and in 10 he wore #9

    The biggest thing I've seen with him is that he commands double and sometimes triple teams and still pushes them back like Wilfork does. If you notice on most of the plays the runner needs to either jump outside from where he's pushing or the pocket tends to collapse on his side. I was actually amazed when I noticed he was taking on the center and a G most of the time and still pushing both of them back 2 or 3 yards. There were a number of times he didn't get the tackle but caused the QB to scramble or the RB to give up on a gap resulting in a blind side tackle. If the DL is suppose to take up blockers in our system having both Warrens, him, and Wilfork all deserving double team consideration it opens things up for or LB's to get in and rush the QB
     
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    a little humor for you draft nicks. This is an unbiased critique of the Mayo pick LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glw0apLQ_6A
     
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    I don't know enough about Deadrick to know, but there was probably some degree of trauma associated with getting shot. PTSD might not have played a role in his self-destructive behavior, but self-destructive behavior is a common symptom of this not well understood disorder. You see it a lot with veterans who wreck their lives and sometimes end up homeless. Getting shot isn't necessarily a sign of bad character, and while it could be that he is of low character, there is another mis-understood factor that could be at least partially responsible. Getting suspended from the best team in football as a low level rookie doesn't seem rational even for a self-interested person of low character. Just throwing that out there.
    Posted by arodrambone

    I was among those that were calling for us to draft him in the 7th round.  He had great measurables almost as good as Suh.  The shooting incident seemed innocent enough at the time so I thought nothing about it other than the kid was tough and had heart to come back from that.  Reports are Deaderick has been late to practice a few times.  Right now that's an unconfirmed rumor but like you said, for a low level rookie 7th round draft pick to get suspended is troubling.  I'm just saying, we need to be careful.  If there are things in someone's past, we need to be very comfortable with what happened.
     
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    MB and Faucet

    Have posted something re Deaderick already but tell me we have no worries about our DL now please.

    Deaderick, Brace gone, Wright ( long concussion), Pryor ,Warren has been carrying an injury. Who's left.....Love?

    We are presently trying out four DL for positions.

    Also makes it harder for the pass rush doesn't it. Not that our pass is super anyway.

    Hope two weeks is enough to get them all ready.

    If we play the Ravens we will need our best there.
     
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    a little humor for you draft nicks. This is an unbiased critique of the Mayo pick LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glw0apLQ_6A
    Posted by Philskiw


    That's brilliant!
    LMAO

    "Hey bellick, i hate New England and I hate yo guts, but you a hell of a muth@ fyck@ boy, you did it, you saved money AND..."

    Don't know where they from but they know the Pats pretty good and funny as sh!t.
     
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    we need another Tom Brady.  Patsruleat late draft thunder!

    the movie
     
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    Yah, I like Cannon too. The scouting reports on him say he has the quickness to play RT ... that would allow the Pats to move Vollmer to LT.  I think if Cannon is there for our 33rd, he's the OL man to take.  The guy is an absolute GIANT!
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : One thing to consider is an expanded roster that would come with an 18 game schedule.  If teams go from 53 to 55 another WR given the age and injury history of Welker and Branch would make a ton of sense.  We really are in such a great position. We have no burning needs.  Unlike this year, I don't see 4-5 rookies starting next year.  We are drafting for depth and the future.  If we look at our upcoming free agents here are our questions/concerns.  Obviously Mankins and Light for 2010.  BJGE, Wendell and Arrington are restricted so they won't be going anywhere.  Page and G. Warren are also free agents.  I'm not worried about losing Taylor, Ojinnaka, Morris or White. For 2011 we have Meriweather, Crumpler, Branch, Sanders, Wilhite, Koppen, Slater, Ninkovich, LeVoir, Connolly, Guyton, Hoyer, Love, Neal and Welker with contracts running out.  Neal and Crump will likely hang them after 2011 or the moment they slide on that ring.  Hoyer and Love will be restricted.  Branch won't be worth the money and will be turning 33 before 2012.  Meriweather will expect a HUGE pay day and with each Pro Bowl his price goes up (not sure he's worth the hype).  My concerns are with Sanders, Nink, Connolly, Guyton and Welker.  As for Ayers, I only saw him once and I was likely too harsh on him so I will defer to you since you've seen him play more than me.
    Posted by Faucetman



    Great point on the roster expansion to 55! Forgot about that.  So I definitely have to say a WR needs to be taken in 2011.  And I agree with another poster that a tall long ball threat is the type of WR the Pats need to look for.  Austin Pettis or Hankerson should be there at a reasonable price (i.e. late 3rd R).
     
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