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    [QUOTE] I would be extatic if the Pats top two picks were Wisconsin Badgers,Watt and Carimi(who along with solder seem to be the best fits at OT for the Pats).Problem is that Carimi probably doesn't last to 32.A key factor in this draft,as I and others have discussed have discussed,is the Mankins situation.If he  re-signs,which makes all the sense in the world to both Mankins and the Pats,the OL becomes less of a priority though I would still would look for an OT to be drafted in the top four picks.Should Watt be gone(about a fifty-fifty chance)I would hope Kerrigan would be there.I also wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats target a veteran WR,RB,Guard and OLB/DE as free agents.
    Posted by kebbe[/QUOTE]
    I would love that too.  Maybe BB can do a little trade down with 17 then back up from 32 and get both players.  Theorically, pick 32 and 64 could get us up to pick 20.  I don't think we can afford to trade down and still get Watt, but I could be wrong.  I thought Dan Williams would go top 15 last year and he made it to 26.  The 43 teams will likely focus on edge rushers, Bowers, Quinn, Kerrigan first.  43 teams will also like interior guys like Fairley and Dareus.  The smaller DEs like Clayborn, Jordan and Bailey are likely more appealing to 43 teams.  34 teams looking for DEs may also like Clayborn and may like Heyward before Watt. 

    I think it possible that Bowers, Fairley, Dareus, Quinn, Heyward, Kerrigan, and Jordan could come off the board before Watt but I think Watt comes off before Clayborn and Bailey.  That's 7 DL that can go in the first 16 picks which is a lot.  I think Watt being there at 17 now is a near certainty.  How much he could slip after that, I don't know. 

    Carimi could go after Solder and Castonzo so he might be gone before Watt just based on team needs.
     
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    Ouch, thats ones less QB to eat up a draft pick slot ahead of us.
     
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    i posted earlier in this thread that we could end up getting kerrigan and watt in the first round, i still think we can, or could end up with akeem ayers,von miller,kerrigan 1a and jj watt 1b, i would be extatic.
     
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    I guess Carolina will go with Bowers.  They need to replace Peppers. 
     
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    Not big news.  I think Todman in the 3rd could be interesting though.

    Posted at 3:43 PM ET, 01/ 6/2011

    Virginia Tech RB Darren Evans declares for the NFL draft

    By Mark Giannotto

    Virginia Tech running back Darren Evans announced Thursday that he has decided to forgo his final year of eligibility and declare for the 2011 NFL draft. Evans, a redshirt junior, gained 854 yards rushing and scored 11 touchdowns while splitting time with redshirt sophomore Ryan Williams and sophomore David Wilson in the backfield this year.

    "It’s been a decision that’s been pretty tough, especially because of the success I feel like I’ve had at Virginia Tech and the opportunity it’s brought me," Evans said. "I feel like after the season I spent there, the years that I spent there, this is a great opportunity for me to take on the challenge of going to the NFL, which has always been a dream for me.”

    Evans set a school freshman rushing record during the 2008 season when he gained 1,265 yards. But he missed all of the 2009 campaign after tearing his ACL during preseason practice. The risk of injury affected his decision, Evans said, and he thought coming back to school would be "a gamble."

    "Darren is really a quality player and a quality person," Coach Frank Beamer said in a statement. "We've enjoyed having him here at Virginia Tech. He has been very much a part of our success, and we know he is going to have a great pro career."

    Evans also is married with a four-year old son and wants the chance to play the role of provider for them. He is just two classes away from graduating and said he plans to take one at a college near his hometown of Indianapolis and another online. He has yet to hire an agent.

    www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/03/AR2011010305586.html">After Monday night's Orange Bowl loss to Stanford, Evans revealed that the NFL's draft advisory board told him he would likely be drafted in between the fourth and seventh round if he left school early.

    "I'm very happy for Darren and his family," running backs coach Billy Hite said in a statement. "At the same time, I'm very sad because of the kind of player he is and he's an even better person than he is a player. We're really going to miss him in our football program and I obviously want to wish him the best of luck with his future in the NFL."

    When asked about the future of Williams, who is also pondering a leap to the NFL, Evans offered no insight. Williams said in a text message Thursday he expects to make an announcement regarding his future on Sunday or Monday.

     
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    [QUOTE]i posted earlier in this thread that we could end up getting kerrigan and watt in the first round, i still think we can, or could end up with akeem ayers,von miller,kerrigan 1a and jj watt 1b, i would be extatic.
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    I am not certain yet of liking your thoughts on this.

    I like Kerrigan but i definitely have questions about his ability to play in space.

    Miller is absolutely a one trick pony pass rush specialist extrordinare but i am not picking that type of play in the first round.

    I must be seeing the wrong videos of Ayers so far cause he looks solid but not someone that looks likes hes going to be an impact at the next level as a first round pick. Its the suggested round that bothers me about him but open to receiving good links of great film on him.

    Watt? Already been stated that I have not seen enough and don't want to make any definitive mark on him based on his bowl game which was eh.

    On a side note its just plain naive to think that Watt breaking down emotionally after a big disappointing loss and performance is some sort of negative quality.
     
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    Faucet - I wouldn't discount Evans yet. He tore his ACL in sept of 09 if I remember right but before that he was one of the better RB's in the nation as a freshman. He lost his job to Williams only due to missing a year with an injury. He might be a very good late round option that's hungry to prove he should have been taken much higher if not for the AC injury
     
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    [QUOTE]Faucet - I wouldn't discount Evans yet. He tore his ACL in sept of 09 if I remember right but before that he was one of the better RB's in the nation as a freshman. He lost his job to Williams only due to missing a year with an injury. He might be a very good late round option that's hungry to prove he should have been taken much higher if not for the AC injury
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
    Not discounting him, just reporting he declared.  I think we'll sign a F/A (might be Morris) and draft a RB.  Makes sense but wouldn't do it until the 3rd round.  Too much quality at RB.  As Woody and BJGE have showed us, you don't need to spend a high draft pick at the position to get results.

    Meant to ask you, what's the "Eng" at the end of your handle mean?

    So Freakin Happy Watt Declared!! 

    Step 1 complete.  Now if BB will just draft him. 
     
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    Well the Eng at the end stands for my profession engineering. Not to be confused with english caused I don't speak it that well Tongue out

    Basically the 2 loves of my life well other then family, friends, and my GF
     
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    [QUOTE]Well the Eng at the end stands for my profession engineering. Not to be confused with english caused I don't speak it that well Basically the 2 loves of my life well other then family, friends, and my GF
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
    You're a PE?  Nice!!  We sorta have than in common, the English and the engineering part.  I was a Nuclear Engineer once upon a time but now I just sell faucets:))
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : You're a PE?  Nice!!  We sorta have than in common, the English and the engineering part.  I was a Nuclear Engineer once upon a time but now I just sell faucets:))
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    LOL yeah unattended side effect. Not a PE yet took the FoE exam and am a EIT but need another year or two before I'm allowed to take my PPE.

    I'm actually in R&D advanced electronic matrials and nano development right now. I have a BE in ECE and ME in MSE. But you know class work never ends. I should just go right back in while I can 
     
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    Faucet

     The more I think about it the more I see the Pats in an extraordinary psychological position with their picks........assuming 17, 32, 33.

    The last pick of the 1st round may make someone jump the queue and with the Pats having the next pick with teams having one night to think about it will make it extremely valuable .

     The way BB uses the board like a chess game ........he must be licking his lips.
     
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    i think we should not take the 32nd pick of the draft till day 2 then that evening offer both of them to be traded however the price of #32 will be much higher thus forcing a team who wants a particular guy to pay that price or risk some other team selecting their guy with the 32 if they just purchase the 33.
     
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    Why wait? The future is now!

    I do not see the continuing benefit from "paying it forward" with our draft choices.  We have clear and present needs for OL in 2011 - read Mankiins, Neal & possibly Light.  We all know Pats need a young DE and a speedy rush OLB and more quality depth at CB.  Additionally, Tom Brady is not getting any younger.

    Let's fill these needs NOW, not next year, or the one after that by playing future chess with the picks Pats now enjoy!

    RB position can be addressed through FA, like Brian Leonard currently of Cinci, and undrafed college kids - just like Law Firm and Woody.  That seems to have worked out fine.

    Thoughts anyone on pros/cons of using our six bullets in the first three rounds NOW or trade the present for the future strategy???
     
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    [QUOTE]Why wait? The future is now! I do not see the continuing benefit from "paying it forward" with our draft choices.  We have clear and present needs for OL in 2011 - read Mankiins, Neal & possibly Light.  We all know Pats need a young DE and a speedy rush OLB and more quality depth at CB.  Additionally, Tom Brady is not getting any younger. Let's fill these needs NOW, not next year, or the one after that by playing future chess with the picks Pats now enjoy! RB position can be addressed through FA, like Brian Leonard currently of Cinci, and undrafed college kids - just like Law Firm and Woody.  That seems to have worked out fine. Thoughts anyone on pros/cons of using our six bullets in the first three rounds NOW or trade the present for the future strategy???
    Posted by fyyankees[/QUOTE]

    fy - the "pay it forward" method in the last couple years didn't mean we used less draft picks. Actually we spent the same amount of picks we had just a little further back then we originally had them while acquiring the same amount of picks for the next year. It's actually insane thinking that you didn't move any further back then 15 picks while trading in most cases, have the same amount of quality picks to chose from as when you startered the draft, and could still double the amount of early picks you have for next years draft too. Truly BB is the master of the draft board
     
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    Ryan Broyles is going back to OU...

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    [QUOTE]i think we should not take the 32nd pick of the draft till day 2 then that evening offer both of them to be traded however the price of #32 will be much higher thus forcing a team who wants a particular guy to pay that price or risk some other team selecting their guy with the 32 if they just purchase the 33.
    Posted by natesubs[/QUOTE]
    There is definitely a strategic advantage if we win the SB to have the final pick in round 1 and the first pick the next day in round 2 for both picks.  Every team knows the Pats are willing to deal.  There could be several teams willing to offer more value than the pick is worth to land "their guy" before the first day concludes.  It would give a team the security of knowing they've addressed two big needs and got two players they covet before the first day is over.  That done, they can reset their board and plan the next day.  Teams that wanted to trade to 32 but lost out to the highest bidder will have the night to worry and drool over the idea of getting their guy (assuming the team at 32 didn't take him) at the start of day 2.  The Pats' phones will be ringing off the hook all night.  I could see them trading down both picks because they will be made offers they can't refuse.  This assumes of course that their guy they weren't expecting to be there, isn't there at 32.  If a player the Pats covet and expected to be gone is still there, I think they make the pick with the knowledge that they have a second chip to bargain with.

    As we all discussed pages ago, we may just let pick 32 slide, end the round and have the night to figure out our next move, if the rules let us.  I'm still inclined to think the Commish will just put pick 33 on the clock but in any event, we've bought an extra 10 mins to deal.
     
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    [QUOTE]i think we should not take the 32nd pick of the draft till day 2 then that evening offer both of them to be traded however the price of #32 will be much higher thus forcing a team who wants a particular guy to pay that price or risk some other team selecting their guy with the 32 if they just purchase the 33.
    Posted by natesubs[/QUOTE]


    I have not read anything et clearly stating what the rules are assuming the Pats won the SB and picked 32nd.

    Lets say there has to be 32 picks in a round for it to be over for arguments sake.

    The Pats don't pick in their alloted time. Next team is automatically on the clock. Oh wait that it the Pats. They still don't pick and time runs out.

    Next up has card ready and waiting and picks. Pats left with what? Being on the clock with the next team in the 2nd round at the same time?

    2nd round opens with Pats with two picks still on the clock and the next team up also? All at the same time?

    I don't think they would allow the Pats to do ANYTHING out of the ordinary.

    It will be clearly defined before the draft even starts, if its not already.
     
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    [QUOTE]As some of you know, I'm a huge draft guy and spend a lot of time during the college season researching players that fit the Patriots' player profile from a size/skill/intelligence/performance/leadership/need etc., standpoint. This week, I'd like to take a look at a potential fit at 3-4 OLB as this continues to be both a short and long term concern on the team. A player that caught my eye during week one was  Ryan Kerrigan, the (6-4 263) Senior DE from Purdue as his size, instincts, ability to get after the QB, pressure the pocket and make plays behind the LOS vs. ND was evident.  He finished the day with 7 tackles (2.5 for loss, one of which resulted in a safety), a forced fumble and 1 sack.  He looked strong and explosive, with a non-stop motor and was for the most part un-blockable.  He was the team MVP for the 2009 season, is a captain in 2010 and is a two-time Big Ten All-Academic recipient. From what I've read, he's currently considered a round 1-2 talent and rising.  From what I've seen, he's certainly an option to follow during the season. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]
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    I am more of an Akeem Ayers Guy.  Dont get me wrong, Kerrigan is a beast, but Ayers could step in right now and play vs converting to a OLB.  Ayers had 4ints in 2009 (2 returned for TD's), and 2 this past season against better QB's in college.  Kerrigan is the better passrusher, but Ayers a better overall OLB (and faster).  With Ayers, the Pats could be a lot more flexible in its LB blitzes.

    last year, you busted on me about Mike Williams, how is that working out?  kidding, I didnt know he would be even this good, just knew he was 2nd best WR out last year.
     
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    I agree with PatEng on this one.  I have to assume we aren't passing up on players we really want badly to move back just to get a future draft pick.  I assume we've mapped out our board, mocked the draft, are updating our board with each pick and projecting how far down we can move and still get 1 of several guys we think would be good for us in any given range.

    There are quality players at each position in each round, some positions more than others.  For instance, I don't see a single RB worthy of a first round pick, but at least one team will take one in the first round.  Look what SD did last year, they moved from the mid 20s all the way to 12 to draft Ryan Matthews.  He finished 32nd in rushing way behind undrafted BJGE (16) and LaGarrett Blount (17).  Miami is a team that is probably losing Williams and Brown and they could jump on Ingram at 15.  I'm not saying it will be Miami but someone will take a RB high, it always happens and seldom works out.  Buffalo and Spiller last year was another example.  How did Spiller do?  He finished 59th in rushing and Buffalo is picking higher this year.

    But as we move to the 2nd round, there are a ton of backs I would consider, and a ton more in rounds 3 and 4. Vereen, Ingram, Williams, Powell, Hunter and Rodgers should all be in the 30 to 65 range.  I did a study awhile back, you have an equal chance of drafting a RB in round 4-7 and undrafted that end up being a top 10 rusher as you do in drafting a back in rounds 1 and 2.

    I am of the mind that the Pats should pony up the extra mil or whatever it takes to keep Mankins.  The guy is one of the top 3 OGs in the NFL.  He never gets hurt so he saves you a roster spot and he never comes out of a game.  But the Pats usually don't "over-pay" so I think they tag him.  They may try to trade him in which case they should not accept anything less than a top half 2nd round pick, or they will at least retain his services for another year.  Connolly has earned the RG starting position so the need at OG is there but we have a year to groom Mankin's replacement. 

    OGs don't usually go in the first round.  The only OG I would consider, and this would be at 32, is Stefen Wisniewski.  He is very versitle playing C or OG at a very high level.  He is an Academic All American and BB loves smart football players.  He has amazing football genes.  His father, Leo, played four years with Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts. His uncle, Steve Wisniewski, was selected All-Pro eight times during his 13-year NFL career with the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders.

    The next two OGs on my board are Hudson and Pouncey.  I value them around 40 so a trade down would be in order, you gain the additional pick and still get one of the two guys.  Alternatively, Schilling and Moffitt I value as late 2nds, early thirds.  We could land one at 64 if we haven't addressed the need or roll the dice with the MIN pick.

    The same thing is true of WR.  Once you get past Green, Jones and Blackman who I view as all top 20 picks, you have a break in talent then it picks up again around 40 where there are probably 6 guys valued between 40 and 65.  We could trade both 32 and 33 gain extra picks and land in the 40s or even 50s and have several WR options.  Cobbs, Hankerson, Baldwin, Smith, Pettis, and Doss should all be ranked in this range.  Then there is a third wave of WRs that should start in the 3rd round; guys like Young, Maehl, Salas, Jernigan, White just from the top of my head.  These guys could be very productive players at low risk/high reward value propositions.
     
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    Low I'm with you on this one. The rule states that

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    If a team fails to announce its choice in the allotted time, then the next team can choose if it is ready, with the team that was late then being allowed to select a player.

    Read more: NFL Draft Rules & Regulations | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4760063_nfl-draft-rules-regulations.html#ixzz1AMuASNg2"

    It clearly states team not pick. I'm sure there is a small grace period if you rush your pick up quick but there is nothing there that says it moves to the next pick but the next team (which it is so vague the commish could easily say the next team after the Pats not the next pick in order to save face from the Pats bending a loophole). My guess is that if the Pats were to try it then they might be given an extra min or 2 but Buf would be given the option to pick if the Pats didn't pick quickly. BTW there is nothing in the rule that says that the next team gets 10mins either, it says if they are ready. My guess again is that there is a small undefined grace period but if they are not ready it would move on to the next team which in this case after Buf would be Cinn
     
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    [QUOTE]One of my favorite things about the Pats is BB's draft strategy.  I love looking at 3 of the top 33 picks next year, but what are the chances that BB uses ANY of them?  40%?  He'll do what he usually does:  trade down and get his player at a lower draft spot, which means you have to pay him less, pick up more picks in the middle of the draft, beef up next year's pick cache to do the same thing over and over. It seems BB's philosophy is:  why put the franchise in a spot where they can't afford to whif on top-round picks, crippling the salary structure, when you can trade down, collect twice the prospects that have basically the same NFL potential, but with substantially less negative impact on your salary structure if you whiff on them.  I know that strategy goes out the door if BB sees a stud (Wilfork, Mayo), but look at what he did by trading in the 2009 draft (player, (round)), 2009: Patrick Chung (2), Ron Brace (2), Darius Butler (2), Sabastian Vollmer (2), Brandon Tate (3), Tyrone McKenzie (3), Rich Ohrnberger (4), George Bussey (5), Jake Ingram (5), Myron Pryor (6), Julian Edelman (7), Darryl  Richard (7),  Brian Hoyer (undrafted FA) That just isn't fair.  How do you turn 7 picks in the NFL draft into 4 2nd round selections (all starters), two rotating pieces (Ohrnberger, Pryor), 2 special teams gems / second-team WRs (Tate / Edelman), and perhaps your QB of the future in Hoyer?
    Posted by dogEdog[/QUOTE]
    Well yes, but they missed out on Michael Oher and Clay Matthews.  We were originally at 23 where Oher was taken, then moved to 26 where Matthews was taken.  I'm not so concerned about Oher but we could of had an All World OLB.  From 26 we moved to 34 where we took Chung and also got 41 where we took Butler.  Matthews for Chung and Butler?  I think I'd rather have Matthews. 
     
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    Well yes, but they missed out on Michael Oher and Clay Matthews.  We were originally at 23 where Oher was taken, then moved to 26 where Matthews was taken.  I'm not so concerned about Oher but we could of had an All World OLB.  From 26 we moved to 34 where we took Chung and also got 41 where we took Butler.  Matthews for Chung and Butler?  I think I'd rather have Matthews. 
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    Sorry to say this, it isnt that simple.  The Pats got: Butler, Tate, Edelman, and Gronkowski for trading the Matthews pick away.
     
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    [QUOTE]Low I'm with you on this one. The rule states that " If a team fails to announce its choice in the allotted time, then the next team can choose if it is ready, with the team that was late then being allowed to select a player. Read more: NFL Draft Rules & Regulations | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4760063_nfl-draft-rules-regulations.html#ixzz1AMuASNg2 " It clearly states team not pick. I'm sure there is a small grace period if you rush your pick up quick but there is nothing there that says it moves to the next pick but the next team (which it is so vague the commish could easily say the next team after the Pats not the next pick in order to save face from the Pats bending a loophole). My guess is that if the Pats were to try it then they might be given an extra min or 2 but Buf would be given the option to pick if the Pats didn't pick quickly. BTW there is nothing in the rule that says that the next team gets 10mins either, it says if they are ready. My guess again is that there is a small undefined grace period but if they are not ready it would move on to the next team which in this case after Buf would be Cinn
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
    We had this discussion before, you would be correct in the literal interpretation of the word, "team."  But the intention is next pick.  We've actually seen this before mid round when the Pats had pick 40 and 41 in the 2009 draft.  They were late on the first pick and time expired.  If memory serves, they used up most of the clock again then turned in both picks.  The thing that makes this interesting is we are talking about the end of a round.  Would the round actually end until pick 32 is made? 

    Assuming you are correct and the Commish leap frogs both our picks and awards Buffalo pick 32, it might not be all that bad if we feel we know who Buffalo will take and it isn't a player we want.  For instance, and this could happen, we feel pretty sure Buffalo will take Jake Locker.  We don't want him so what's the harm in letting them take him?  NONE.  We then start the 2nd day with the first two picks working the phones all night.  There is absolutely nothing in the rules that would cause us to completely lose our picks, we would be first on the clock with 14 minutes to make two selections.  Again, I've been watching the draft since 1981 and actually used to go to NYC to be at the draft when I lived on the east coast.  I've seen teams before having consecutive picks being given the extra time.  I don't recall any specific examples other than us in 2009.
     
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