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    here is what i am thinking for our draft so far. 1a. JJ Watts, DE/DT (Wisconsin) 6-6, 292 “Watt is one of those players that is simply playing his way into national attention. He is a blue-collar player who simply outworks and outhustles his opponent by wearing them down over the course of a game. Watt has the size and strength to play in either a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive line. He has a frame that could still add on weight. He is on both the Lombardi Trophy and Bronco Nagurski Trophy watch lists. Watt began his career as tight end at Central Michigan before transferring to Wisconsin and redshirting for a year in 2008. He moved to defensive end in 2009 and started every game. Plays great against the run, using his shoulders and arms to fight for position. Great vision and makes quick adjustments to the ball-carrier. Not a pure pass rusher, relies heavily on his strength and athleticism to beat slower offensive linemen. Watt progressed very rapidly and has some versatility along the Badgers' defensive line. Can play almost any position along the line. He uses a quick first step to dig into blockers, preferring to bull rush into them.” http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2727 He was a walk on player at Wisconsin who earned a scholarship soon after.   He is a hard working player who fits the patriots blue collar model.   Watt is an honor student and has formed his own charity to benefit local elementary and middle schools that lack funding. He began his college career at Central Michigan, worked at a Pizza Hut for six months while trying to earn a scholarship to Wisconsin, and eventually won a starting spot on the defensive line. 1b. Gabe Carimi, OL, (Wisconsin) 6’7 ″ wt : 325 Carimi is a mauler that will open up holes in the running game and is a solid presence against the pass rush. He can play either left or right tackle. 2a. (trade down to later in the round and pick up an additional 4 th round pick) Justin Houston OLB/DE (Georgia) Houston has good size at 6'3'' and 258 pounds. He looks like a defensive end, and that's exactly what he might play at the next level in a 4-3 scheme. In a 3-4 defense he can set up at rush linebacker. Has experience playing OLB in the 3-4 defense. Houston has been clocked as fast as 4.64 in the 40-yard dash. Through nine games as a junior, Houston has a whopping 15.5 tackles for loss and nine sacks. He also has ridiculous 35 quarterback hurries, a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery. 2b. Daniel Thomas RB (Kansas State) or Mikel Leshoure, RB, (Illinois),   Thomas rushed for 1,265 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was even third on the team with 25 receptions for 257 yards.   Thomas has proven that he can carry the load and at 228 pounds, he has the size to be a bruising back in the NFL.   He may not be quite as explosive as some others, but he is an every down back. 3a. (trade into a 2012 2 nd round pick) or Ben Ijalana OG/OT Villanova 6’4” 320 You want running lanes? Ben will give you running lanes. If Logan Mankins and Stephen Neal aren’t back in town next year, Ijalana would be a decent replacement. 3b. Chimdi Chekwa , CB (Ohio State), 6-0, 190, 4.42 4. Owen Marecic, FB/LB (Stanford) 6-1, 245 He is really a fullback, but he is also one heck of a special teams player who can make plays no matter what the situation may be. He has done a superb job blocking for the young Stanford backfield.   For an NFL team that actually uses a fullback, Marecic will be a steal in the fourth or fifth round. 4b. (b/c of trade down of 2a) Cecil Shorts III, WR, (Mount Union) 6’0” 40: 4.43 had 252 receptions, 4,615 yards, 72 touchdowns on a four-year career.   Shorts has played some running back, Wildcat quarterback, kick returner and regular quarterback as well. 5. Zach Hurd, OG, (UConn) 6’7” 325 or John Bender, OG, (Nevada) 6’8” 325 -Hurd is a massive blocker who stands out on film.  Powerful at the point, Hurd easily turns defenders off the line run blocking or anchors in pass protection.   He quickly gets his hands into opponents and keeps his feet moving yet Hurd is better in a small area as he’s exploited by quick, nimble defenders. -Huge size and wingspan coupled with good footwork and overall mechanics. Bender, while huge is still mobile enough to get down-field and make second level blocks.   Converted from tackle, lacks speed typically found in a guard. Can be beaten by speed rush.   6. Steve Maneri, TE (Temple) 6’7” 271 (Crumpler trainee?) Large, powerful, tight end who is dominant blocking on the line of scrimmage. Jolts opponents at the point of attack, stays square and rides defenders off the line. Quickly gets into blocks, plays with a nasty attitude and easily controls opponents once engaged in a block. Seals defenders from the action with good body positioning or blocks down and completely removes them from the action. Effectively extends his hands to make the reception away from his frame.   Maneri is a powerful prospect who could well be the best blocking tight end in this year's draft. He will also get consideration at offensive tackle based on his size. Maneri is a solid late round pick who can be used as a team?s blocking tight end or developmental tackle prospect. Projection 6-7 round 6. (Compensatory for watson) Allen Bradford, RB, USC 5’11” 235 Bradford is a load. He has a powerful body, topping 230lbs and he runs very hard between the tackles. What separates him from other big backs is his breakaway speed. Give him the slightest opening, and he will hit the hole and out run the defense to the end zone.   Injury issues and has some problems holding on to the ball. 7.? Andrew Jackson, OG/DT (fresno state) 6’5” 295 He's often compared to Mankins not only because he's from Fresno State.  “A t 6-5⅛ and 295 pounds, with the frame to bulk up further, Jackson looks like an offensive tackle on paper but his short arms (32 inch), heavy feet and relative lack of overall athleticism will most likely dictate that he play inside.  What stands out most about Jackson is his extraordinarily toughness and outstanding strength.  A fiery, aggressive blocker, Jackson plays the game with a nasty demeanor and is the type who always plays right up to the whistle and in some cases beyond.  A four-year starter and Academic All-American, Jackson is an extremely smart, hard working prospect with a firm grasp on things such as positioning, angles and assignments which helps compensate for other shortcomings.  However, even though Jackson is best known for his run blocking ability he is also stout at the point of attack and more than capable of holding his own in pass protection.  As an added bonus Jackson is also quite versatile, with the ability to play anywhere along the line, including tackle and center in a pinch.”   http://draftcountdown.com/draft-blog/2010/11/athletes-maulers/
    Posted by natesubs
    Here's some great news for you Steve Maneri came out last year and the Patriots already have him on their Practice squad..So now you can find another solid player for a 6th round pick.also he's being groomed by Dante to play OT as he's to big to play OG! You are right about his immenseness.6'6 and 325! They don't come much bigger.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : We had this discussion before, you would be correct in the literal interpretation of the word, "team."  But the intention is next pick.  We've actually seen this before mid round when the Pats had pick 40 and 41 in the 2009 draft.  They were late on the first pick and time expired.  If memory serves, they used up most of the clock again then turned in both picks.  The thing that makes this interesting is we are talking about the end of a round.  Would the round actually end until pick 32 is made?  Assuming you are correct and the Commish leap frogs both our picks and awards Buffalo pick 32, it might not be all that bad if we feel we know who Buffalo will take and it isn't a player we want.  For instance, and this could happen, we feel pretty sure Buffalo will take Jake Locker.  We don't want him so what's the harm in letting them take him?  NONE.  We then start the 2nd day with the first two picks working the phones all night.  There is absolutely nothing in the rules that would cause us to completely lose our picks, we would be first on the clock with 14 minutes to make two selections.  Again, I've been watching the draft since 1981 and actually used to go to NYC to be at the draft when I lived on the east coast.  I've seen teams before having consecutive picks being given the extra time.  I don't recall any specific examples other than us in 2009.
    Posted by Faucetman
    I read all of the rules and it nowheres says that a team that has the last pick in a preceeding round must either pick or lose that pick. But I will add this with as much love as this piece of dung commissioner has for the patriots he would interpet the rules in a manner which would adversely affect the patriots this you can take to the bank. When I brought this idea up,I was just thinking in terms of gaining a competitive advantage by allowing other teams who might want to trade into either spot more time to consider whether it would be worth it to them and of course at the same time aloowing the Patriots more time to negotiate a better trade as far as compensation is concerned... I'm betting that 90% of all the posters who visit this thread believe that BB will trade one if not both of these picks in an effort to increase the value.
     
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    1(a) we must think of protecting our franchize QB, and relize the age and contract status of our OL is getting pretty shaky.  A quality swing OT with the length to keep DE's off their body ( 6'7" TO 6'8") and enough weight ( 315 to 330) to avoid being pushed around by DE's, and enough quickness to fit our system can only be found early in round 1. Light is unsigned, aproaching 31 so his decline is eminent and not worthy of an extended contract and may be worth a 3rd rd. pick on a sign and trade. There are 3 possible top round possibilities with 1 that has a good chance to be there at pick 17, that being Gabe Carimi. It is criticle that this pick is made this draft because I don't see us picking this high in rd.1 for a few more years. This pick along with Vollimer also being a swing OT would set us up for another 7 to 8 years. This must be done even if it requires a trade up to accomplish. Sticking to this same line of thought I will skip foward to PICK NO. 64 our fourth pick the 2nd in rd. 2. First I will say it is imperitive that Mankins is signed, but even so Neal must be replaced because of age and injury frequency. There is an ideal prospect who is projected to be availible at pick 64, that being Benjamin Ijalana at an ideal size of 6'4" 320lb.. Has all the measurables needed to play both left and right guard at a high level. This pick along with Gabe Carimi would solidify our OL for many years, leaving us only Koppen to be replaced by Connoly or Wendel at a later date. At this point our offence being well stocked at WR and TE would only require complimentary RB to the existing foundation we have, This will come in later rounds. Next at picks 32 and 33 we need to add deapth to both DE and DE/OLB.  There are @ 3 good matches at OLB or conversion DE/OLB one of which has no chance of reaching pick 32 (DaQuan Bowers), but there is a chance either Robert Quinn or Akeem Ayers might make it to this level. Quinn's time off due to the suspension he served gives him a slight question mark, and Ayers game films shows a propensity to arm tackle or lack of the big hit will cause them to drop, but I feel either one may be able to be molded into our system. At DE There are far more choices that may have a good choice fall to pick 33. I see @ 9 quality possibilities all highly rated but sheere numbers will allow good choices to drop. My choice who may fall into our lap at 33 will be J.J. watt. This will take care of all imediate need and gives us the leverage to pick the best availible players for depth. With the first pick in Rd. 3 No. 76 I would take a chance on Kenrick Ellis DT. This kid would be a project with a risk, but the up side would be worth it. He is 6'5" 340 lb. with exceptional speed and quickness for a guy his side. He is able to play any possition on the DL from NT to DT to DE. A good option to put next to Wilfork in the 43 and groom to be his replacement in a few years. With the 2nd. pick in the 3rd. rd. at no. 96 I would look to depth for RB to complement BJGE, in the form of a big power back.  This early before the draft this possition is still very fluid as to who will go in what slot.  Guessing the best possibilities at this time I am enclined to go with a) Kendall Hunter 5'8" 200 4.48 b)Delone Carter 5'9" 215 4.52 c)Anthony Allen 6'0" 230 4.58. With pick no.128 in the 4th. rd. I would take a chance on depth at DE/OLB with a big name player comeing off a major injury, this being Greg Romeus out of Pitt 6'5" 268 4.79. If he could return to form this would be a steal. Again with pick no. 160 in the 5th. I would still keep reaching for depth at DE/OLB with Markus White from Fla. St. 6'4" 262 4. With pick no. 187 in the 6th rd I would look at depth in a change of pace RB along the lines of Woodhead with exceptional speed named Derrick Locke from kentucky 5'9" 190 4.36. As UDFA's I would take a flier on 1) Brandon Saine Ohio St. RB 6'0" 219 4.46 2)Kris Adams Texas El Paso WR 6'3"195 4.48 3)James Rodgers Oregon St. WR 5'7" 188 4.43 4)Steven Friday Virginia Tech. DE/OLB 6'4" 250 4.66 Would realy enjoy seeing the competion these additions would make with the existing roster in training camp, and the way it would reshape the entire roster down to the PS.   
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    I like your reasoning, but there to be too many DL's.  Who makes the team and who gets cut?
     
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    Kyle,

    I have to take exception to your comments about Bilal Powell.  The so-called draft experts, and I'm not sure who you read make little mention of him.  CBS-NFLDraftScout had him at 127 all year and they finally have him at 96.  Condraft has him at 44.  Regardless of where the boards have him today, he is not going 4th round or later.  This kid is a complete back.  At 6-0, 215, 4.52 he has the size you want to be your workhorse.  I'm not saying the Pats want him, I'm just saying he's a solid prospect.

    Mb brought Powell to our attention several months ago.  I've only seen two of his games but I think he is a game changer.  Mb can certainly talk more intelligently about him than I can but I look at his production.

    Powell finished 12th in the country for RBs in rushing yards at 1,405.
    Powell finished 18th in the country for RBs in average per attempt at 6.1.  This is my favorite stat because it really shows burst and the ability to bust the long play.  However, this rank is misleading because it includes any player that's had 6.25 attempts per game his teams played.  If you only look at backs with 200 or more carries, Powell's 6.1 yards per carry would rank 3rd behind Doug Martin and Knile Davis and neither are draft eligible. 

    Powell was pretty solid as a receiving RB.  How does he compare with some of the other big name backs, and some of these guys aren't eligible?

    1.  D. Murray 71, 594, 5
    2.  C. Clay 43, 526, 7
    6.  M. Lattimore 29, 412, 2
    8.  S. Havili 32, 396, 2
    16. D. Martin 28, 338, 2
    31. M. Ingram 21, 282, 1
    38. N. Devine 34, 258, 1
    52. Taua 15, 216, 3
    56. Vereen 22, 209, 3
    60. Royster 25, 202, 1
    63. LeShoure 17, 196, 3
    73. D. Thomas, 27, 171, 0
    76. James, 13, 169, 1
    80. B. Powell 18, 158, 3

    But again, the stat I look at most is yards per carry.  Here's how Powell compares to the other top backs in the draft.

    B. Powell:  229, 1405, 6.1, 11
    M. LeShoure 281, 1697, 6.0, 17
    J. Todman 334, 1695, 5.1, 14
    L. James 281, 1682, 6.0, 21 NOT COMING OUT
    D. Thomas 298, 1585, 5.3, 19
    K. Hunter 271, 1548, 5.7, 16
    V. Taua 262, 1534, 5.9, 19
    N. Davis 204, 1322, 6.5, 13 NOT DRAFTABLE
    D. Martin 201, 1260, 6.3, 12 NOT DRAFTABLE
    R. Helu Jr. 188, 1245, 6.6, 11
    D. Murray 282, 1214, 4.3, 15
    J. Rodgers 256, 1184, 4.6, 14
    S. Vereen 231, 1167, 5.1, 13
    M. Ingram 158, 875, 5.5, 12

    Powell's YPC is surprisingly better than some names you wouldn't expect, Vereen, Ingram, Rodgers, Taua, Hunter, Todman, LeShoure and even Heisman runner up LaMichael James.  Powell is 7th in all purpose yards of the top draftable backs on my list.

      Rushing Receiving  
    PlayerATTYDSTDAVGYTDTDAP YDSTot TD
    M. LeShoure2811697176.041963189320
    D. Murray2821214154.305945180820
    J. Todman3341695145.07940178914
    D. Thomas2981585195.321710175619
    V. Taua2621534195.852163175022
    K. Hunter2711548195.711010164919
    B. Powell2291405116.141583156314
    J. Rodgers2561184144.632873147117
    A. Allen240131675.4888114048
    S. Vereen2311167135.052093137616
    R. Helu1881245116.62460129111
    D. Carter231123395.3445012789
    E. Royster208101464.88202112167
    N. Devine20993664.48258111947
    M. Ingram158875125.542821115713
    J. Clay1871012145.4190102114


    But to truly rate RBs I look at everything, size, speed, production and character.

    At the end of the day, Powell is my 4th ranked RB.  Here's my top list and I've indicated things I like in green and things I don't like in red.  For me, DeMarco Murray's horrible 4.3 YPC kills him.  He's by far more of a WR than a RB. 



          Rushing Receiving  
    RkPlayerHtWt40ATTYDSTDAVGYDSTDAPYTTD
    1M. LeShoure6-02304.532811697176.041963189320
    2K. Hunter5-82004.482711548195.711010164919
    3M. Ingram5-102154.48158875125.542821115713
    4B. Powell6-02154.522291405116.141583156314
    5J. Todman5-91954.433341695145.07940178914
    6D. Thomas6-22284.632981585195.321710175619
    7V. Taua5-102204.562621534195.852163175022
    8S. Vereen5-102054.492311167135.052093137616
    9R. Helu6-02204.511881245116.62460129111
    10J. Rodgers5-71914.492561184144.632873147117
    11D. Murray6-12084.482821214154.305945180820
    12A. Allen6-02304.58240131675.4888114048
    13D. Carter5-92154.52231123395.3445012789
    14D. Evans 5-112224.55151854115.66100095411
    15J. Clay6-12484.671871012145.4190102114
    16E. Royster6-02284.59208101464.88202112167
    17N. Devine5-92154.5220993664.48258111947
     
     
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    The big hole in your RB evaluation is  "Strength of Competition/Schedule". Powell's foes in the Big East are 2nd rate ... in relation to SEC, Big 12.

    That's why BJGE was always a keeper ... he played agst top flight competition in the SEC and thrived. 

    As far as Big East goes, I'd make Carter #1. Those short, stout backs tend to not get injured as much.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : I like your reasoning, but there to be too many DL's.  Who makes the team and who gets cut?
    Posted by sfpat


    Curently between the active roster, practice squad, and injured reserve we have 13 DL and are considered to be extreamely thin. Five of these DL will be 29 or older next year, five or six are either UDFA's or late rounders. The shear numbers are needed in training camp to have good compitition with quality players to fill out the roster and practice squad. We need @ 8 good players on the rooster with at least 2 on the practice squad, and an assesment of future replacements on the emergency phone list. Loofing at the current 13 players at least four won't make the cut next year,that brings us to 9 returning, if we bring in two quality prospect and three possible good low round players that don't cost us much risk with picks we will have feirce competition for the last 2 or 3 slots. This should garentee a quality DL roster for next year.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : Curently between the active roster, practice squad, and injured reserve we have 13 DL and are considered to be extreamely thin. Five of these DL will be 29 or older next year, five or six are either UDFA's or late rounders. The shear numbers are needed in training camp to have good compitition with quality players to fill out the roster and practice squad. We need @ 8 good players on the rooster with at least 2 on the practice squad, and an assesment of future replacements on the emergency phone list. Loofing at the current 13 players at least four won't make the cut next year,that brings us to 9 returning, if we bring in two quality prospect and three possible good low round players that don't cost us much risk with picks we will have feirce competition for the last 2 or 3 slots. This should garentee a quality DL roster for next year.
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    When you have question marks on both lines, OLB, need more depth at RB, could use some more help in secondary and WR then you don't spend a lot of picks on one position. You tend to draft one higher and a high upside player later then add UDFA's and pull in a couple vets. That brings you the numbers you are looking for while not over drafting 1 position.

    I agree you will most likely see a DE and DE/OLB drafted someone between #17 and Minn's 3rd I also see them only grabing 1 more DL in later rounds (not a bunch of OLB's). The biggest position I can see drafting is the OL. I can see them casting a very wide net in later rounds and grabbing one or two early. The biggest needs I can see right now are G/C and T which if they resign Mankins then they can afford to get a project and develop them.

    If I had to guess with both Light and Mankins not being resigned:

    1st-3rd (1 DE, 1 DE/OLB, 1 T, 1 S/CB, maybe a 1 G/C)

    4th-7th (1 DE/DT, 1 or maybe 2 G/C, 1 T, 1 RB)
     
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    here is what i am thinking for our draft so far.
     
    1a. JJ Watts, DE/DT (Wisconsin) 6-6, 292
    1b. Gabe Carimi, OL, (Wisconsin) 6’7 ″ wt : 325 
    2a. (trade down to later in the round and pick up an additional 4 th round pick) Justin Houston OLB/DE (Georgia) 
    2b. Daniel Thomas RB (Kansas State) or Mikel Leshoure, RB, (Illinois),  
    3a. (trade into a 2012 2 nd round pick) or Ben Ijalana OG/OT Villanova 6’4” 320 3b. Chimdi Chekwa , CB (Ohio State), 6-0, 190, 4.42
    4. Owen Marecic, FB/LB (Stanford) 6-1, 
    4b. (b/c of trade down of 2a) Cecil Shorts III, WR, (Mount Union) 6’0” 40
    5. Zach Hurd, OG, (UConn) 6’7” 325 or John Bender, OG, (Nevada) 6’8” 325 -
    6. Steve Maneri, TE (Temple) 6’7” 271 (Crumpler trainee?)
    6. (Compensatory for watson) Allen Bradford, RB, USC 5’11” 235 
    7.? Andrew Jackson, OG/DT (fresno state) 6’5” 295 Posted by natesubs


    I like Watts, Carimi, Thomas, Hurd and Maneri. Shorts is well, too short, we need a tall WR 
     
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    Bleacher report:

    http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/515187-new-england-patriots-2011-nfl-mock-draft-if-they-actually-used-all-their-picks#page/1
     
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    Maneri is already a Patriot.
     
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    The big hole in your RB evaluation is  "Strength of Competition/Schedule". Powell's foes in the Big East are 2nd rate ... in relation to SEC, Big 12. That's why BJGE was always a keeper ... he played agst top flight competition in the SEC and thrived.  As far as Big East goes, I'd make Carter #1. Those short, stout backs tend to not get injured as much.
    Posted by CanadianPat

    So what you are saying is if a RB didn't play in the SEC or Big 12 we can discount him?  Is that just for running backs or all positions?  There's no question the SEC and Big 12 are elite conferences but good and great players can be found in all conferences.  You used BJGE as an example.  Why not use Woodhead as an example too?  He went to D2 school so does that mean he can't play with the big boys?

    The only SEC RB on my list is Mark Ingram.  So, does that make him the best?  Statistically, he had an off year but everyone wants to throw his junior year out and only count his sophomore year. 

    In measuring RBs, a lot also has to do with your offensive line.  I don't think anyone would say Louisville has an elite offensive line.  They won't be sending anyone to the NFL this year or next.  Wetterer has an outside chance of being invited to someone's camp but he'll be lucky to make a practice squad.  Their Center Mario Benavides is decent and he may have a shot at the NFL in 2013. 

    To further my case, only 3 of the NFL's top 10 rushers are from the SEC or Big 12.  Foster, Charles and Peterson.  Turner went to N. Illinois, Chris Johnson went to E. Carolina, Jones-Drew to UCLA, Mendenhall to Illinois, Steven Jackson went to Oregon State, Ahmad Bradshaw went to Marshall and Ray Rice went to Rutgers, which of course is the Big East where Powell, Carter and Todman play.
     
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    I'll take another look at Powell for you; see what I'm missing.
     
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    I am glad you love my mock, it is good to have someone else to help defend it.
    I have done pretty good with my mocks in the past in having guys who were very successful at the next level.  Last year i had gronk, veldheer(starter for the raiders and a 1st round pick in the redraft),  Joe Webb (Starting QB for the vikings), and mesko as the highlights.  Hopefully i will do just as well this year.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : So what you are saying is if a RB didn't play in the SEC or Big 12 we can discount him?  Is that just for running backs or all positions?  There's no question the SEC and Big 12 are elite conferences but good and great players can be found in all conferences.  You used BJGE as an example.  Why not use Woodhead as an example too?  He went to D2 school so does that mean he can't play with the big boys? The only SEC RB on my list is Mark Ingram.  So, does that make him the best?  Statistically, he had an off year but everyone wants to throw his junior year out and only count his sophomore year.  In measuring RBs, a lot also has to do with your offensive line.  I don't think anyone would say Louisville has an elite offensive line.  They won't be sending anyone to the NFL this year or next.  Wetterer has an outside chance of being invited to someone's camp but he'll be lucky to make a practice squad.  Their Center Mario Benavides is decent and he may have a shot at the NFL in 2013.  To further my case, only 3 of the NFL's top 10 rushers are from the SEC or Big 12.  Foster, Charles and Peterson.  Turner went to N. Illinois, Chris Johnson went to E. Carolina, Jones-Drew to UCLA, Mendenhall to Illinois, Steven Jackson went to Oregon State, Ahmad Bradshaw went to Marshall and Ray Rice went to Rutgers, which of course is the Big East where Powell, Carter and Todman play.
    Posted by Faucetman


    Well firstly, those "only 3 of the top 10" are probably the 3 that impressed me the most this season!

    Secondly, OK I admit I was a bit too harsh on the conference issue, but I did that on purpose because I saw Powell play and I was underwhelmed.  I am a Demarco Murray guy, BECAUSE he complements the Pats 2 current RBs and Tom Brady.  I keep hearing the arguments that he is not a between the tackles guy, and his avg yds per carry is only X, but the numbers are not even half the story, the guy has played in huge pressure games and delivered big plays and he is a fantastic receiving back.  We don't need "Law Firm 2" in the back field, we need a RB that fills a different role. Murray is that guy for the Pats IMO.

    So apologies to the Big East ... I got carried away. Just don't like Powell and would be hugely disappointed if the Pats drafted him over others that will be available in late R2 or R3 (or maybe even R4)
     
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK*** : I like Watts, Carimi, Thomas, Hurd and Maneri. Shorts is well, too short, we need a tall WR 
    Posted by kansaspatriot


    I think Chimdi broke his wrist in the Arkansas game. Terrence Wheatley all over again .... Let's not go there again!  Jimmy Smith, Ras-I or Curtis Brown all have potential to help the Pats at a reasonable draft cost (i.e 64th pick?)  I don't think we can count on Butler, he's a big question mark now.  Can never have enough good CBs.
     
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    6-5 220, WVU safety Robert Sands has declared.

    I brought this kid up months ago as he's a unique talent.  We're talking a versatile 6-5 safety with a good size/speed combo, excellent ball skills, instincts and ability to close.  He's a physical kid that closes quickly, securely and violently and has an elite ability to high point the ball due to his height and athleticism.  Being that he's so tall, I'll be curious to see his short area quickness, COD skills at the combine.   He's prob a Rd 2-3 prospect.

     
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    Is it me or are people forgeting that will still have Ty Warren (DE talk) and Leigh Bodden (CB talk) next year. And yet both Mankins and Light are FAs. I agree that OLB is a need, but Cunningham has improved. MB's Kerrigan pick and Faucet's Smith picks are legit. I like the speed, but not the size of Moch and have a feeling that his combine numbers will be steller (as OLB). I can see Moch in 2nd and rising, I just don't know if he can shed at the NFL level.

     
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    As for the debate on Bilal Powell (great research, Faucet), my opinion on him hasn't changed.  I've seen the kid play 3 or so times and he displays great burst/explosiveness, power and vision and picks up a ton of YAC, he also has big play capability evident of his 3 70+ yard TD runs on the season.  He's versatile and will provide value as a receiver out of the backfield and looks like a 3 down player.  He reminds me a bit of Frank Gore could go anywhere from Rd 2-4, IMO.

    For those that aren't familiar with him, below is a link of some highlights that demonstrate said burst, power and vision.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKERqz7G3UU
     
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    Adam Schefter AdamSchefter The anti-Luck decision for a top pick. RT @schadjoe Georgia WR A.J. Green officialy declares for the NFL draft.
     
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    We can debate till th ecows come home on individuals that the Pats should draft (and we will! LOL), but I think we can all agree on 2 things:

    1. The Pats positional needs right now are:
    • DE - a big strong stud that can play 3-4
    • OLB - that can provide pass rush
    • OL - we have age and free agt departure concerns here
    • RB - a guy that can take #3 understudy role ... pass catching ability helps
    2. The 2011 Draft talent pool and the plethora of early Pat picks represents an opportunity to fill all of the Pats current holes and build and maintain a powerhouse dynasty loaded with young players.

    If BB and his staff deliver on this draft, TB will retire with more rings than any player in NFL history.



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    MB     Nice link to Powell. I didnt want us to draft a rb until late ,but this kid has me drooling.
     
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    6-5 220, WVU safety Robert Sands has declared. I brought this kid up months ago as he's a unique talent.  We're talking a versatile 6-5 safety with a good size/speed combo, excellent ball skills, instincts and ability to close.  He's a physical kid that closes quickly, securely and violently and has an elite ability to high point the ball due to his height and athleticism.  Being that he's so tall, I'll be curious to see his short area quickness, COD skills at the combine.   He's prob a Rd 2-3 prospect.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    I had him in my mock earlier this year but his stock kinda fell and chekwa's rose.   Now that chekwa is injured sands might be back in assuming he is a 3rd round pick!
     
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    As for the debate on Bilal Powell (great research, Faucet), my opinion on him hasn't changed.  I've seen the kid play 3 or so times and he displays great burst/explosiveness, power and vision and picks up a ton of YAC, he also has big play capability evident of his 3 70+ yard TD runs on the season.  He's versatile and will provide value as a receiver out of the backfield and looks like a 3 down player.  He reminds me a bit of Frank Gore could go anywhere from Rd 2-4, IMO. For those that aren't familiar with him, below is a link of some highlights that demonstrate said burst, power and vision. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKERqz7G3UU
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Powell looks like a tremendous talent. He looks to have great quickness and nice vision and break away speed. If he can catch the ball, he would never have to come off the field. Looks like a very promising RB.
     
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    Powell's stock should increase after the combine.  Right now he's probably a mid 3rd rounder, but I think he impresses enough GMs that he'll be a consideration at the bottom of the 2nd on draft day.
     
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    I only caught the first and part of the second quarter of last nights BC/Nevada game, but Herzlich looked to be flying around the field.  He spent a lot of time in slot coverage, but also worked at outside and I think briefly at inside backer as well showing some versatility.  While he did miss one tackle that I saw, he looked aggressive and secure on the others (finishing with 5 total) as well as forcing a fumble by Kaepernick that eventually lead to BC's first score.

    Did anyone see anything else?  Have any additional feedback that they wanted to give?
     
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