Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK***
posted at 1/14/2011 5:55 PM EST
In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***WITH NEW MOCK***
With all the injuries on our DL we have still been competitive because of the successful infusion of youth to our defence. We have gone from one of the oldest defences in the league to one of the youngest, and will only get better with experience. This leaves me only to question why almost everyone is only interested in adding high profile defensive linemen. Right now our OL is in the same place our defence was in three years ago, among the oldest in the league and need an immediate infusion of quality youth. You can not expect to replace too many players at one time without damaging the cohesive bonds that have been developed over years of playing together. So we must look at immediate needs first and plan additions when the first additions have acclimated to our system. So lets look at our Needs on the OL. M. Light will be 33 in June and has no contract for next season. L. Mankins will be 29 in March and currently has no contract. D Koppen will be 32 in Sept. S. Neal will be 35 in October is constantly injured and wants to retire. N. Kazzur will be 32 in July. We took one step forward with S. Vollmer. But with out Vollmer our starting line up averages over 32 years old and is on the brink of falling apart due to age and contracts. IS THIS WHAT YOU EXPECT TO PROTECT BRADY AND BLOCK FOR YOUR RB IN THE NEAR FUTURE? First we must buy some time by resigning Mankins at all cost even if it means using the franchise tag to buy one more year. Next we must draft Lights replacement in a high enough slot to be starting by mid season next year. If this means moving Vollmer to left and getting a RT so be it. We must also find a High Quality OG to replace Neal with enough talent to replace Mankins in the future. This would give us a transitional line of LT Vollmer, LG Mankins, C Koppen, RG Connoly and Draft Pick, RT Kazzur and Draft Pick. This would give us a good start towards a seamless transition to youth on the OL without making too many changes too fast and effecting the precision of the groups effectiveness. If we wait beyond this year their may be too many changes without seasoned veterans to bring in the new generation of OL. So what are the options of these needs? At OT The ideal height to get the length of arms to keep DE or OLB off their body should be 6'7" or 6'8", and weight to not get pushed around by bigger DE's should be in the 315 to 330 range. They must also have the agility of a smaller OT to be successful in run blocking, so this cuts down an already limited field. I believe this limits us to three candidates, 1) Nate Solder 6'8" 315 2) Anthony Castonzo 6'7" 308 3) Gabe Carimi 6'7" 327 Of the three Gabe Carimi fits the qualifications most fully and is projected to be around at the 28th pick. I would keep an eye on the needs of teams in that area to see if moving up a few slots with our 32nd. pick is necessary to get him. This pick is necessary to keep this offence operating at a high level into the future. At OG the height restrictions should be no more than 6'4" so that it is more difficult for stout NT's,DT's, or DE's to get under their pads and gain leverage on them. Also they must be in the weight range of 310 to 320 to avoid being pushed around by large DL, but not too heavy to be effective in the run game. I believe this limits us to Three possibilities: 1)Mike Pouncey 6'4" 310 2)Benjamin Ijalana 6'4" 320 3)Stefen Winaiewski 6'3" 306 OG/C My best pick to fill all requirements would be Benjamin Ijalana, and if we are lucky he could still be on the board at our first pick in the 3rd. no. 74. But if we see the OG's moving quicker than projected I would take him at no. 64 our second pick in the 2nd. rd. This would still give us pick 17 and 33 to get your high profile DE and OLB. With this in mind here is my adjusted draft: Pick 17: Aldon Smith or Akeem Ayers OLB Pick 32: may require a slight move up. Gabe Carimi OT 6'7" 327 pick 33: Quinton Carter FS 6'1" 200 4.57 Pick 64: Benjamin Ijalana OG 6'4''320 Pick 74: Kenrick Ellis DT/DE 6'5" 340 5.07 Pick 96: Delone Carter RB 5'9" 315 4.52 Pick 128: Greg Romeus DE/OLB 6'5" 268 4.79 Pick 160: Jake Kirkpatrick C 6'3" 305 5.14 Pick 187: Derrick Locke RB 5'9" 190 4.36
Posted by part-timer
I think this makes a lot of sense...at least the part regarding the OL. I think we have the ammo and right slotting this year to grab 2 OL if need be...a C/G and RT/LT. I know everyone says "just move Vollmer over to LT and everything will be fine", but can he really play LT or are we just assuming? That takes me to my point..which is, if Vollmer is really just (and I don't mean "just" as bad) a RT, then we need to grab a LT, and good LT's go early, as in Carimi. He would be my pick to replace Light if we had to. In terms of C/G, Wieniewski is my pick. I like him in either the C or G position better than Pouncy or Ilijama, and he is insurance for Mankins & Koppen. We know Connolly can play and I think he can man Neals' spot next year, but if Mankins goes, all of a sudden we are thin at G. A lot depends on what we do with Mankins...I for one say sign the guy, or just tag him..we need to lock him up for next year at least.
Hopefuly some of this will be figured out by draft day, that would make the picking that much easier in terms of Light, Mankins and Neal. That's potentially 3 starting linemen to replace all at once....no easy feat. (sorry Rex).
Personally, I would like to see us trade #17 if Watts, BHarris or JJones are not there. I'm a Jordan fan and have been chatting him up on this board, but I'm reconsidering taking him at #17 to play DE in our 3-4. He might just be a bit too small and not worth the #17 pick.
I think there are 3 players I would take at #17 (not counting others as they will be long gone), if not there, I would trade down into the 20's and nab a 2nd next year possibly...those 3 are JJ Watt, BHarris and JJones.
Assuming we have something in the mid-20's and our 32 (or whatever it is), I like drafting Carimi in the mid-20's. 32 is a tough choice...trade into the 2nd, or pick?...Personally, I'd like to see us use 32, and trade #33 for a 2nd/3rd next year plus a 2nd this year, somewhere in the early 40's. Same with #64 possibly.
So, if things go similar to the way I noted above, and JJWatt, BHarris or JJones are not there at #17, I trade it down and my draft for 2 rounds looks like this...
#mid-20's - Carimi (assumes we don't sign Light), We could even take Wiesneskwi a bit early at 20 somehting if we dont' do anything with Mankins. I think mid-20's is a decent spot for either of these guys.
#32 - Houston (like him opposite Cunningham rather than Ayers, Wilson or others noted here)
#mid-40's - Wilkerson (he will be the 3-4 DE we seek..right sized)
#64 - Broyles (takes over for branch after next year) I like him, Welker, Price..relegate Tate to ST's, WR depth.
3rd Round - Depends on what we do with the mid-20's pick, if it's Carimi or Wiesneski...We draft the opposite in a RT or C/G. Ilijana should be there at #74
--also acquired a 2nd rounder in 2012 for #17 trade down in round 1, and another 2nd rounder in 2012 for trading out #33.