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2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : Sorry for late reply, just got back from Vegas.  Put a ton on the Steelers to kill the Jets, lol. The snap problems are my major concern with Pouncey, yes.  It wasn't just an early in the season problem.  He struggled all year.  He had another misclue in the Bowl game against Florida.  Brady is in the shotgun a ton. As for why Wisniewski moved back to guard, I found this little tidbit.  Reading through the lines it would appear Wis played better at Guard. "One of the 2009 experiments that didn't go as well as hoped seems to have been scrapped for 2010.  Paterno said senior Doug Klopacz, a career backup who has battled knee problems, is opening the year as the No. 1 center. Senior Stefen Wisniewski will move back to guard, where he enjoyed a breakout season in 2008 before switching to center in 2009."  
    Posted by Faucetman


    Yeah, I have to buy my Terrible Towel today and either a Cheeshead or a Ditka Sweater for the SB, ha.

    Maybe we can go double or nothing for a 6-pack on Pouncey vs. Wisniewski (who gets drafted first)?  Afterall, I still owe you a sixer for the Demaryius Thomas vs. Golden Tate wager from last year.
     
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    I know how to nuetralize Ngota! Sign him as a FA... If BB takes a chance on hitting a HR all he has to do is sign every FA he wants before the CBA is ratified,it's a gamble but he could score bigtime!
    Posted by sportsbozo1


    Ngata is a flat out stud, huge and versatile, he'd be an ideal fit in NE's scheme.  Raven's GM Ozzie Newsome has already called signing him a priority so you'd have to assume he's likely to stay in Baltimore.
     
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    Hey Guys, great to see you back  mbeaulieu07 ,  Faucetman ,  auchhhhhhhhhhh , and the rest of you. I read a the last few pages and must say very good draft ideas out there. The one I like the most is drafting Ingram with our first pick. We need a good back we can rely on when we need to run the football, and when you look a bit ahead after the Tom Brady era in, lets say 3-4 years, a good back would be a huge gift for a young Quaterback. After Ingram I'll go with the best player available, preferably DE/OLG or OG, but we know Bill, he always does the opposite of what one thinks, thats why I like the Ingram Pick. It also could be the Time where Bill trades up the Boards, I mean we already have so many first and second year players.
    Posted by akaitcho



    aka,
    Welcome back, man.

    I love Ingram and think he'd be an asset to the NE offense, I just think that as far as BPA goes, it'll likely be on the defensive side of the ball at #17.  Specifically I think a potential impact DE (Watt/Jordan etc.) trumps the value of a RB. 
     
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    All, there is a nice piece from bleacherreport- see below link - re each NFL team needs: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/571091-2011-nfl-draft-breaking-down-every-teams-offseason-needs#page/1 Also, a bleacherreport re first and second round team draft.  I am not buying this one, but of interest to note, it has both JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan gone before Pats-Raider pick at #17.  We supposedly take Adrian Clayborne here and Jonathan Baldwin WR Pitt later in the first round - not happening IMO. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/578703-2011-nfl-mock-draft-rounds-1-2-with-highlights-jake-locker-falling-fast? I still think Pats need to go heavy D and would like Watt/Kerrigan/Heywood at 17  Jeremy Beal OLB from Oklahoma at #28 At #33 - best OT on the board At #56 interested in MB wildcard DT Muhammad Wilkerson from Temple U.  The back to OLine with Vikes pick near top of round 3 with a pick of OGs Moffit of Wisc or Henry of Nebraska or John Borin of Ohio State. Our Pick in third round, #84 I like Johnny Patrick DB from Louisville Cardinals Fourth Round I like LB Brooks from AZ Pats have other needs and I would like BB to look at Brian Leonard RB of Cinci - the ex-Rutgers U star.  Also, OLBs of interest in FA with value for Pats include Mathias Kiwanuka of Giants ex-BC, James Anderson of Panthers, Mike Peterson of Atlanta Falcons.  I think they need to resign Mankins.  Light probably is gone and Neal.  Vollner moves over to LT, buut it is critical we get OT and OG help in this draft. 
    Posted by fyyankees



    I have to give PatsEng credit for Wilkerson, but yeah, I think he's a big time option for them in Rd 1-2.

    I do like what I've seen from Patrick and would be happy to land him in Rd 3.

    I'd also love to see Reed or Thomas Keiser (6-5 250 OLB Stanford) at the end of Rd 3 or early Rd 4.
     
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    Hey Guys, great to see you back  mbeaulieu07 ,  Faucetman ,  auchhhhhhhhhhh , and the rest of you. I read a the last few pages and must say very good draft ideas out there. The one I like the most is drafting Ingram with our first pick. We need a good back we can rely on when we need to run the football, and when you look a bit ahead after the Tom Brady era in, lets say 3-4 years, a good back would be a huge gift for a young Quaterback. After Ingram I'll go with the best player available, preferably DE/OLG or OG, but we know Bill, he always does the opposite of what one thinks, thats why I like the Ingram Pick. It also could be the Time where Bill trades up the Boards, I mean we already have so many first and second year players.
    Posted by akaitcho

    Good to see you again Akaitcho, you have some catching up to do:)).

    This is a very deep draft at RB but there are no top 15 talents.  I have 16 RBs that I would grade in the top 5 rounds.  But only two teams have RB as their clear cut top needs, the Dolphins and Bucs.  Two other teams NO and GB have high RB needs but they have other needs at the same priority level. 

    Since MIA is at 15, they will have the back of their choice.  I put RB a bit lower on our list of needs so I would not favor drafting a back until much later at this time.  17 teams have no RB need so I wouldn't expect them to be in the market until the very late rounds, if at all.

    There are only 10 teams that need or could use a starting RB.  Most of those teams have other priorities.  I've listed them below along with the order of their higher priorities:

    DEN (2) TE, DE, CB  RB #4
    CIN (4) OT, DE RB #3
    WAS (10) QB, WR, OT, OG RB #5
    STL (14) WR, OG, TE, DE, DT, OLB, SS RB #8
    MIA (15) RB #1, C, QB, OG
    NE (17) OT, OG, OLB, DE, CB RB #6
    TB (20) RB #1, DE, OLB, ILB
    NO (24) DE, DT, OLB, SS, RB tied at same need.
    SEA (25) OT, OG, C, SS, QB, RB #6
    GB (32*) OG, OLB, RB tied at same need.
    * final draft position TBD

    I'm quite certain that GMs know that they can get a quality RB just about anywhere in the draft so for teams that have higher needs, I think they will fill those needs first.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : Yeah, I have to buy my Terrible Towel today and either a Cheeshead or a Ditka Sweater for the SB, ha. Maybe we can go double or nothing for a 6-pack on Pouncey vs. Wisniewski (who gets drafted first)?  Afterall, I still owe you a sixer for the Demaryius Thomas vs. Golden Tate wager from last year.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    I forgot about that 6 you owe me, gotta love McDaniels for taking Thomas.

    I'm not sure I would take that bet Wis going ahead of Pouncey, but we'll find something else to go double or nothing on.  I said I would rather take Wisniewski than Pouncey for us.  A ton of teams need OG help I think the Steelers will be all over Pouncey late first because the good OTs will be gone by then.  They would love to have the two brothers playing side-by-side and it would be a cool story for them and the league.

    For those that think a quality OT will slip to us at 28 haven't studied history or current team needs.  I put together a chart based on team needs.  The data for this came from NFLDraftScout.  The ratings are as follows:

    0-2: Team has solid starter(s), not likely to draft player
    3-5: This position needs depth
    6-8: This position needs a starter
    9-10: This is the biggest position of need

     Team QBRBWRTE OT  OG CDEDTOLBILBSSFSCB
    CAR63671558772336
    DEN06185648446668
    BUF93368337475617
    CIN67528768337775
    ARI95167841474217
    CLE54737627378274
    SF53610274875446
    HOU91322742357446
    DAL42027617335663
    WAS96838766536067
    HOU11273352631777
    MIN81405567661661
    DET124547552777210
    STL16872804770735
    MIA69321672310353
    JAX72572237247775
    NE17218826080126
    SD35726408547644
    NYG10128324566444
    TB48535607077654
    KC61688384887074
    IND35118642840744
    PHI25216751364626
    NO27022427771724
    SEA76508885660725
    BAL32506561051666
    ATL13365627473334
    NYJ52914708573662
    PIT04228705422036
    CHI32728762670623
    OAK835488357602410
    GB37506756073426
    Total13211912488168173112147127167107139124154
    ACT1210991821916112011181115
    QLTY716164138313151154214
     
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    All, there is a nice piece from bleacherreport- see below link - re each NFL team needs: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/571091-2011-nfl-draft-breaking-down-every-teams-offseason-needs#page/1 Also, a bleacherreport re first and second round team draft.  I am not buying this one, but of interest to note, it has both JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan gone before Pats-Raider pick at #17.  We supposedly take Adrian Clayborne here and Jonathan Baldwin WR Pitt later in the first round - not happening IMO. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/578703-2011-nfl-mock-draft-rounds-1-2-with-highlights-jake-locker-falling-fast? I still think Pats need to go heavy D and would like Watt/Kerrigan/Heywood at 17  Jeremy Beal OLB from Oklahoma at #28 At #33 - best OT on the board At #56 interested in MB wildcard DT Muhammad Wilkerson from Temple U.  The back to OLine with Vikes pick near top of round 3 with a pick of OGs Moffit of Wisc or Henry of Nebraska or John Borin of Ohio State. Our Pick in third round, #84 I like Johnny Patrick DB from Louisville Cardinals Fourth Round I like LB Brooks from AZ Pats have other needs and I would like BB to look at Brian Leonard RB of Cinci - the ex-Rutgers U star.  Also, OLBs of interest in FA with value for Pats include Mathias Kiwanuka of Giants ex-BC, James Anderson of Panthers, Mike Peterson of Atlanta Falcons.  I think they need to resign Mankins.  Light probably is gone and Neal.  Vollner moves over to LT, buut it is critical we get OT and OG help in this draft. 
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    All, there is a nice piece from bleacherreport- see below link - re each NFL team needs: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/571091-2011-nfl-draft-breaking-down-every-teams-offseason-needs#page/1 Also, a bleacherreport re first and second round team draft.  I am not buying this one, but of interest to note, it has both JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan gone before Pats-Raider pick at #17.  We supposedly take Adrian Clayborne here and Jonathan Baldwin WR Pitt later in the first round - not happening IMO. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/578703-2011-nfl-mock-draft-rounds-1-2-with-highlights-jake-locker-falling-fast? I still think Pats need to go heavy D and would like Watt/Kerrigan/Heywood at 17  Jeremy Beal OLB from Oklahoma at #28 At #33 - best OT on the board At #56 interested in MB wildcard DT Muhammad Wilkerson from Temple U.  The back to OLine with Vikes pick near top of round 3 with a pick of OGs Moffit of Wisc or Henry of Nebraska or John Borin of Ohio State. Our Pick in third round, #84 I like Johnny Patrick DB from Louisville Cardinals Fourth Round I like LB Brooks from AZ Pats have other needs and I would like BB to look at Brian Leonard RB of Cinci - the ex-Rutgers U star.  Also, OLBs of interest in FA with value for Pats include Mathias Kiwanuka of Giants ex-BC, James Anderson of Panthers, Mike Peterson of Atlanta Falcons.  I think they need to resign Mankins.  Light probably is gone and Neal.  Vollner moves over to LT, buut it is critical we get OT and OG help in this draft. 
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : aka, Welcome back, man. I love Ingram and think he'd be an asset to the NE offense, I just think that as far as BPA goes, it'll likely be on the defensive side of the ball at #17.  Specifically I think a potential impact DE (Watt/Jordan etc.) trumps the value of a RB. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07
    I know I can't speak for BB but I'm just guessing that the idea of drafting either a WR or a RB in the first round just turns his stomach upside down, and after Lawrence "Dancing with the Stars" Maroney who could blame BB if he never takes another RB in the first round. I hope they draft a home wrecker with their first pick and a home protector with their second and third picks,De/OLB followed by OT, and OG then whatever Seems like the right guy at whichever position they like! Tolliver from LSU,Cobbs from UK, Cobbs would be who I take at #60 and reach and find that big WR in Tolliver with Minnesota's pick in the third round,then go find that OLB everyone keeps begging for at #92. I'm watching the East-West Shrine game and nobody is really impressing me with their play so far.
     
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    Jah Reid from UCF looks to be a pretty big monster and RT candidate in the later rounds.  BB hasn't historically spent a lot of high picks on the OL.  Mankins at 32 was the only first round pick.  Light, Vollmer were 2nds, Kaczur was a late 3rd.  I don't think we will see him going OL before 33.  If he does, it would be highly unusual.

    I still think Watt at 17 makes the most sense followed by a DT/DE type or yes, hate to admit, another CB as the positions he will be most likely to target at 17.
     
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    Jah Reid from UCF looks to be a pretty big monster and RT candidate in the later rounds.  BB hasn't historically spent a lot of high picks on the OL.  Mankins at 32 was the only first round pick.  Light, Vollmer were 2nds, Kaczur was a late 3rd.  I don't think we will see him going OL before 33.  If he does, it would be highly unusual. I still think Watt at 17 makes the most sense followed by a DT/DE type or yes, hate to admit, another CB as the positions he will be most likely to target at 17.
    Posted by Faucetman



    after seeing what a good secondary can do...i would not be surprised if he gets another cb
     
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    Honestly, after the top CB's such as Peterson, Amukamara, & Harris, I really don't see any CB's that I'd consider as bonafide upgrades at this point via the draft. 

    What I'd do if I were Belicheck would be to go hard after Asommugha, who will probably be seeking somewhere around $12-13 mil per season.  However, after making that move, I'd immediately either trade or waive Bodden who is making $6 mil/yr, with the idea that basically you're upgrading the position by adding only a net gain of only $6-7 mil to the cap despite his high salary demands.

    Another reason why I wouldn't probably go the draft route, is because as is, our defense is extremely young and would benefit greatly from having a veteran presence.

     
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    The thing that really stands out to me after looking over the numerous mock drafts this year is how crappy the analysis has been for why certain players are said to be going were they're supposedly suppose to go.

    For example, I've constantly seen Robert Quinn mocked to go within the top 5-10 picks despite missing a full season of football.  I realize that the guy has top 5 talent, but really when has there ever been a precident for someone being drafted so high after missing this amount of playing time?  I've followed the draft for years, and have never, ever seen this happen!  What typically ends up being the case, is that the player shows up to the combine and doen't workout nearly as well as anticipated, and thus slides down the draft board.  I'm not necessarily saying he'll be a low first rounder like Dez Bryant was last year, but it seems to me that it's more realistic to say that he goes somewhere in the early to mid teens rather picks 5-8.

    I also keep seeing Miami being mentioned as targeting Ingram with their 15th pick.  I'm sorry, but that's way too high for Ingram espicially in light of the down year that he just had.  Why would Miami take him so high?  I understand that they need a RB and that they very well may end up drafting him.  But if I'm Miami, and I'm targeting him in the draft with my pick, I trade down in the first and do it while also acquiring an additional pick, as that would represent the best value, not over-reaching as these mocks would suggest.

    Then there's the DT Paea.  Talk about the proverbial wild card.  I've seen this guy mentioned as a bonafide top 10 pick on some boards, while others mention him as a fringe 1st rounder at best.  ESPN for what it's worth has him rated as their #11 rated overall prospect right now.  With no clear consensus on where this kid may go, he go easily end screwing up many of these mocks come draft time.

    Lastly, I have yet to see mocks factor in free agency or potential trades in terms of how that could drastically affect the draft.  For instance, the big wild card for me isn't New England with our stock pile of draft picks, it a team like the Redskins who will be looking to trade Mcnabb to QB needy teams and/or Haynesworth to teams in need of a DE/DT.  Granted both players may end only fetching 2nd round picks apiece.  However, Many of these mocks are currently top heavy with QB's and DL prospects.  Therefore, trades could dramatically blow a hole in these mocks.

    For example, take Arizona with the 5th pick, they could very well be the landing spot for McNabb as he was rumored to be going there via trade as far back to when he was still playing in Philly.  Then there Larry Fitzgerald who's in the last year on his deal and is looking to get traded/sign another mega-deal, and all of a sudden Julio Jones if A.J. Green is already off the board, could be a likely candidate at #5 which would be way earlier than anybody had previously expected he would go.  After watching the draft over these many years, there's one thing that's a draft day certainty, and that is that there will be at least one player that gets picked way ealier than any of the gurus expected, while also causing another highly regarded player to subsequently slide way down the board, further an anyone had predicted.

    All I'm saying is that most of these mocks have been mediocre at best and lacking insight, therefore I'd take them with a serious grain of salt when referring to them when discussing whom you think the Pats will select in the draft etc...
     
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    The thing that really stands out to me after looking over the numerous mock drafts this year is how crappy the analysis has been for why certain players are said to be going were they're supposedly suppose to go. For example, I've constantly seen Robert Quinn mocked to go within the top 5-10 picks despite missing a full season of football.  I realize that the guy has top 5 talent, but really when has there ever been a precident for someone being drafted so high after missing this amount of playing time?  I've followed the draft for years, and have never, ever seen this happen!  What typically ends up being the case, is that the player shows up to the combine and doen't workout nearly as well as anticipated, and thus slides down the draft board.  I'm not necessarily saying he'll be a low first rounder like Dez Bryant was last year, but it seems to me that it's more realistic to say that he goes somewhere in the early to mid teens rather picks 5-8. I also keep seeing Miami being mentioned as targeting Ingram with their 15th pick.  I'm sorry, but that's way too high for Ingram espicially in light of the down year that he just had.  Why would Miami take him so high?  I understand that they need a RB and that they very well may end up drafting him.  But if I'm Miami, and I'm targeting him in the draft with my pick, I trade down in the first and do it while also acquiring an additional pick, as that would represent the best value, not over-reaching as these mocks would suggest. Then there's the DT Paea.  Talk about the proverbial wild card.  I've seen this guy mentioned as a bonafide top 10 pick on some boards, while others mention him as a fringe 1st rounder at best.  ESPN for what it's worth has him rated as their #11 rated overall prospect right now.  With no clear consensus on where this kid may go, he go easily end screwing up many of these mocks come draft time. Lastly, I have yet to see mocks factor in free agency or potential trades in terms of how that could drastically affect the draft.  For instance, the big wild card for me isn't New England with our stock pile of draft picks, it a team like the Redskins who will be looking to trade Mcnabb to QB needy teams and/or Haynesworth to teams in need of a DE/DT.  Granted both players may end only fetching 2nd round picks apiece.  However, Many of these mocks are currently top heavy with QB's and DL prospects.  Therefore, trades could dramatically blow a hole in these mocks. For example, take Arizona with the 5th pick, they could very well be the landing spot for McNabb as he was rumored to be going there via trade as far back to when he was still playing in Philly.  Then there Larry Fitzgerald who's in the last year on his deal and is looking to get traded/sign another mega-deal, and all of a sudden Julio Jones if A.J. Green is already off the board, could be a likely candidate at #5 which would be way earlier than anybody had previously expected he would go.  After watching the draft over these many years, there's one thing that's a draft day certainty, and that is that there will be at least one player that gets picked way ealier than any of the gurus expected, while also causing another highly regarded player to subsequently slide way down the board, further an anyone had predicted. All I'm saying is that most of these mocks have been mediocre at best and lacking insight, therefore I'd take them with a serious grain of salt when referring to them when discussing whom you think the Pats will select in the draft etc...
    Posted by angel3781
    All the mock drafts are simply tools to get an idea of what the so called experts think any given team might need and then assigning player X to team Y. You would be 100% right if you said that your mock draft is as good as Mel's or Todd's.One thing that's for sure noone not even BB himself knows in which direction he will go come draft day. Heck BB could get up on draft day and say skip this let's trade both of our picks and come back tomorrow,so much for any first round projections as far as BB and the Patriots are concerned...Crapshooting 101
     
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    Sportsbozo,

         I think you missed my entire point.  While it's true that experts, as you pointed out, assign player x to team y based on percieved need.  You failed to grasp (in my opinion) the fact that their analysis for assigning player x to team y is severely wrong.

    Furthermore, I think that most mocks simply rate players according to percieved draft stock rather than team needs.  In other words, if player x is said to be a top 5 pick, they find a way to slot the guy in on their mocks according to how high/low the player may be rated.

    in addition, I noticed that most mock fall in love with a certain team selecting a particular player such as with Miami and Ingram at #15, when assessing the team more critically and where said player could fall if not selected in that spot might end up, would indicate that in this situation Miami even if infatuated with Ingam could in fact just trade down to the bottom of the first round and select him there while also acquiring another pick.  But you would never see any analysis like this because most mocks simply copy picks off of one another rather than offering any real insight.  Yes you're right, in the end we probably will be all wrong regarding our mocks, but atleast we can offer insight as to why players might go where we think they will.
     
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    RR, this one's for you, Bud!

    Imitation is the sincerest of flattery." 
      --  Charles Caleb Colton

    Did you forget thoughts about the draft in your double-post here?

    I think that Pats may also think about drafting another DB with their second round #2 pick and Brown of UT may be a good way to go.
     
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    I just finished watching the Stanford bowl game, way behind in seeing some of these games.  Andrew Luck is flat out amazing!!  He is every bit worth the hype.  Not only is he smart and accurate, he can run.  In the post game interviews he appeared very humble giving credit to his teammates when he was clearly the best player on the field and in the nation. 

    My point is, if Carolina would like their pick 33 back, I would really consider trading it for their 2012 1st.  If Carolina finishes at the bottom again next year, we draft Luck.  We give him 1-2 years to learn behind Brady then he takes over in 2014.  If Carolina doesn't finish dead last, they should still be a bottom 5 team.   They might be willing to do it too.
     
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    Angel, I thought your analysis on mock drafts was pretty darn good.  Of course no one can predict where free agents will go thus to factor that in would be impossible especially for the acquiring team.  However, we can factor in teams that are pretty certain to be losing a player like the Raiders with Asommugha and the Redskins with McNabb and Haynesworth.  Those are pretty certain outcomes. 

    As for a lot of boards having the Dolphins drafting Ingram, I agree.  Assuming Ingram is the best RB in the country, and I certainly have my doubts about that since he isn't even the best RB at Alabama, the Dolphins are the first logical team to draft a RB.  The Dolphins are set to potentially lose their top three RBs to free agency in Williams, Brown and Polite.  RB at this juncture would appear to be their top need.  But this doesn't mean Ingram would be their choice.  A lot of people like Mikel LeShoure or Shane Vereen better.  In looking at the Dolphins, they could certainly go QB or C/OG like Pouncey or Wisniewski.  RBs are a dime a dozen this year and good ones could be had later.  If not all of the top 4 QBs are taken by the QB hungry teams ahead of the Dolphins, they could certainly go that direction.  The Dolphins don't have a second round pick so the smart play for them would be QB, DE or C/OG then they could come back in the 3rd or 4th to get a RB. 
     
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    Lastly, I have yet to see mocks factor in free agency or potential trades in terms of how that could drastically affect the draft.  For instance, the big wild card for me isn't New England with our stock pile of draft picks, it a team like the Redskins who will be looking to trade Mcnabb to QB needy teams and/or Haynesworth to teams in need of a DE/DT.  Granted both players may end only fetching 2nd round picks apiece.  However, Many of these mocks are currently top heavy with QB's and DL prospects.  Therefore, trades could dramatically blow a hole in these mocks. For example, take Arizona with the 5th pick, they could very well be the landing spot for McNabb as he was rumored to be going there via trade as far back to when he was still playing in Philly.  Then there Larry Fitzgerald who's in the last year on his deal and is looking to get traded/sign another mega-deal, and all of a sudden Julio Jones if A.J. Green is already off the board, could be a likely candidate at #5 which would be way earlier than anybody had previously expected he would go.  After watching the draft over these many years, there's one thing that's a draft day certainty, and that is that there will be at least one player that gets picked way ealier than any of the gurus expected, while also causing another highly regarded player to subsequently slide way down the board, further an anyone had predicted. All I'm saying is that most of these mocks have been mediocre at best and lacking insight, therefore I'd take them with a serious grain of salt when referring to them when discussing whom you think the Pats will select in the draft etc...
    Posted by angel3781


    of course the experts can't make mock drafts with relation to FA because none of them know who each team is going to sign/resign.  They just simply use the available information of who a team currently needs and then bases on which position the team is looking to bolster.  Mock drafts are simply guesses and for us tools to look at players to see who would fit our system and a chance for us fans to act as scouts for our favorite teams.  I personally love when players who i project in my mocks do well in the NFL it is even better when a player i select in my mock is selected by the pats and does well.
     
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    To touch on the topic of FA, outside of their own FA's below are 12 players that from a schematic fit, may interest BB:

    RB- Pierre Thomas (5-11 215)
    RB- Brian Leonard (6-1 225)
    RB- Heath Evans (6-0 250)
    WR- Steve Smith (NYG) (5-11 195)
    WR- Mark Clayton (5-10 190)
    OLB- Manny Lawson (6-5 240)
    OLB- Matt Roth- (6-4 275)
    DE- Marcus Spears (6-4 309)
    DE- Kevin Vickerson (6-5 305)
    CB- Richard Marshall (5-11 189)
    S- Eric Weddle (5-11 200)
    S- Sean Considine (6-0 212)

    I'd love to see them make a huge splash for Tamba Hali, but I don't see Pioli letting him leave KC.

     
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    To touch on the topic of FA, outside of their own FA's below are 12 players that from a schematic fit, may interest BB: RB- Pierre Thomas (5-11 215) RB- Brian Leonard (6-1 225) RB- Heath Evans (6-0 250) WR- Steve Smith (NYG) (5-11 195) WR- Mark Clayton (5-10 190) OLB- Manny Lawson (6-5 240) OLB- Matt Roth- (6-4 275) DE- Marcus Spears (6-4 309) DE- Kevin Vickerson (6-5 305) CB- Richard Marshall (5-11 189) S- Eric Weddle (5-11 200) S- Sean Considine (6-0 212) I'd love to see them make a huge splash for Tamba Hali, but I don't see Pioli letting him leave KC.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    there is a chnace of Hali hitting the open market due to the fact that the franchise tag number for a OLB is $8.304m and for a DE it is $8.991m. the question is would pioli pay him that?  but yes i doubt he leaves Kansas City.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    To pick up on Angel's idea, going after Nnamdi Asomugha could make a ton of sense.  It was reported that he was looking for something in the $16MM range but maybe he'd come here for less.  Let's just say $13MM would land him.  We could afford him if we cut or traded Bodden and tag and traded Mankins.  Those two moves pay for Asomugha.  Or, we cut Bodden and Branch.  

    We might be able to tag and trade Mankins for a 2nd round pick.  There are so many teams needing OG help we could really trade Mankins to just about anyone.  But since Mankins would need to sign the tag he would likely need to be agreeable to going to the new team.  I'm looking at the Raiders.  He's from that area, they need OG help and they have no first round pick.  Since the Raiders won't be signing Asomugha, they could afford Mankins since he'd be about half the cost.

    Think about adding Asomugha to McCourty and gaining a mid 2nd round pick.  We're likely going to lose Mankins after 2011 anyway.  Asomugha is better than any CB draft pick including Peterson.  We could have a lock down secondary before the draft even starts and 3 seconds.
     
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    Honestly, after the top CB's such as Peterson, Amukamara, & Harris, I really don't see any CB's that I'd consider as bonafide upgrades at this point via the draft.  What I'd do if I were Belicheck would be to go hard after Asommugha, who will probably be seeking somewhere around $12-13 mil per season.  However, after making that move, I'd immediately either trade or waive Bodden who is making $6 mil/yr, with the idea that basically you're upgrading the position by adding only a net gain of only $6-7 mil to the cap despite his high salary demands. Another reason why I wouldn't probably go the draft route, is because as is, our defense is extremely young and would benefit greatly from having a veteran presence.
    Posted by angel3781



    I disagree i would like to see them take a shot at this kid from texas aaron williams he could be a very good CB on the next level.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk4QdMwWy6Q
     
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