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2011 Patriots Draft Options ***THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED!***

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    Posted by Pats7393

    You do, my friend but not before 60.  I just think the upside is tremendous.  You said it before, he has once in a decade speed for a player his size.  He is an experienced pass rusher albeit from the DE position.  There is no more creative defensive mind that BB.  He can find a home for this kid.  I love Moch as a SS in dime packages and as a LB in nickel packages.  If he can stay with the speedier, more athletic TEs, which he should be able to, he could be a tremendous asset.  If our new DL can open some holes, we can set him loose to rush the passer from the inside or put him on the line in a 5-1-5 set where he comes up to the line in the last moment disguising the coverage.  If they don't have a TE on that side and we add a Watt or someone like Jordan, Moch could come clean and with his burst, he will get to the passer faster than most corners on a corner blitz. 

    I would still go for a traditional OLB with size and rush ability in case Moch turns out to be nothing more than an athletic freak on special teams. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : I looked at Dontay Moch for a while now as a potential Patriot pick.  However, at no time have I ever entertained the idea of him staying at OLB due to his 229 lbs playing weight.  What I actually had in mind was having him switch positions and become a SS.  I think his size 6'2" 229 lbs vs Rodney Harrison's 6'1'' 220lbs compares very favorably.  Even with the heavier playing weight, he is rumored to run a 4.25 40.  Let's say he doesn't put up that kind of 40 time but instead is more like a 4.3 guy, that's still faster than 99% of other safeties when you consider that most run between 4.4 - 4.5 while also weighing about 10-15lbs less. What should also be taken into consideration is the fact that both Merriweather & Sanders will be free agents after next season, so safety all of a sudden becomes a major need.  If the Pats take Moch now, he'll have a full season to adjust to the learning curve associated with playing a new position, and at the very least could be a potential beast on special teams during his rookie season.
    Posted by angel3781

    YES ANGEL, YES!!  But not a traditional strong safety; we make him a hybrid SS/LB on sub packages.  Someone pointed out (and I have a horrible memory guys), I think it was Rocky, that we are in sub packages 58% of the time. 

    Moch can't hold up as an OLB in the base 3-4 so I'm not suggesting that.  I'm not suggesting he become an every down SS, at least not right away.  I'm suggesting he comes in on passing downs, either as an extra safety or as one of the two LBs next to Mayo instead of Guyton.  We literally could play him at all three levels based on disguise and whatever BB wants to do.  We could use this kid so many ways that the offense can't audible out of a running or passing play based on him being in there, because while he might start out as the SS in the box, he can creep up to the 2nd level or to the LOS right before the snap.  He will make blocking assignments very difficult especially if we add a pass rusher on the DL like Jordan or Watt. 

    MB, what do you think?
     
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4692741/belichick-trade-offers-for-top-picks utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter "We've already had a couple offers on them," Belichick said. "We'll see what happens. We'll do whatever we can to improve the team, whether that's move up, move down, or stay where we are, and just try to add more players and more depth to our roster."
    Posted by Rocky

    I'm not surprised.  I think there will be a lot of action for pick 33 especially from those top teams needing a QB but not wanting to gamble in the first round.  A guy like Kaepernick could draw a lot of interest early in the second. 

    To move up, I don't know.  I would hate to give up both firsts even to acquire a Fairley or Peterson.  First off Fairley is known as a dirty player and he may have a shoulder issue.  If not for that, the kid is as dynamic as Suh, or close to it.  Peterson would compliment McCourty nicely and we could move Bodden to SS where he can cover better than Chung.  Peterson is also one heck of a special teams/return man.  Or, we could land Miller and solve our pass rushing needs from the OLB position.

    Tough call.  Watt and a stud OT vs. Fairley, Miller or Peterson.  If we can lock down Mankins and extend Light for two years I'd say, YES, Let's do it.  We can parlay 33 into an extra 3rd and still have a low 40, 60, 74 and 92. 
     
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    A lot of Moch talk going around, so I figured I'd give my opinion as well. I'm just not seeing where he fits in. Personally, I think he's more what fans want to see (just draft the edge guy with the fastest reported 40 time) than he is a realistic fit for NE's scheme.  As others have pointed out, he's 229 pounds, so realistically, what LB position is he going to play?  He's prob 20-25 pounds too light for the outside and 10-15 pounds too light for the inside.  As for what I see, I think his speed is evident, but question his technique.  There isn't a whole lot of tape out there (I'd love to see more), but from the footage that I've been able to review, he does show some awareness, but I don't see a good use of hands, the ability to disengage or any secondary pass rush moves and doubt he'll be able to bullrush anyone due to his size.  He's either unblocked or just running around guys, what is he going to do at the NFL level if his speed rush to the outside is neutralized? As for moving him to SS, what skills of his translate to the S position?  Is this solely based on reported 40 time?
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


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    Both players have recently weighed in at 229 and 237 respectively.
    One is at least .2 seconds quicker in the 40.
    Both players are an average of 20 to 25 lb's lighter than the average Pats OLB.
    The one with the extra 8 lb's is at least .2 seconds slower in the 40 will cost you a top 5 to 10 pick. But is more polished.
    The one with the speed and 8 lb's lighter will cost you your 60th or 74th pick.
    Both have questions with playing the run.
    You need an effective pass rusher, and if the DL does what it is suppose to do and occupies blockers then the pass rushing OLB should be able to use his speed to reduce the time the QB has to work.
    One is projected as the no. 1 OLB in the draft. If you can get a player with similar size and greater speed than the no. 1 OLB in the draft in the area of 60 to 74 that is a good value, even if he will need more coaching up. Besides we have no chance of getting Von Miller. Wether Mock just play's on passing downs and sub packages he will give us something we have never had.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : YES ANGEL, YES!!  But not a traditional strong safety; we make him a hybrid SS/LB on sub packages.  Someone pointed out (and I have a horrible memory guys), I think it was Rocky, that we are in sub packages 58% of the time.  Moch can't hold up as an OLB in the base 3-4 so I'm not suggesting that.  I'm not suggesting he become an every down SS, at least not right away.  I'm suggesting he comes in on passing downs, either as an extra safety or as one of the two LBs next to Mayo instead of Guyton.  We literally could play him at all three levels based on disguise and whatever BB wants to do.  We could use this kid so many ways that the offense can't audible out of a running or passing play based on him being in there, because while he might start out as the SS in the box, he can creep up to the 2nd level or to the LOS right before the snap.  He will make blocking assignments very difficult especially if we add a pass rusher on the DL like Jordan or Watt.  MB, what do you think?
    Posted by Faucetman

    i like the thought process. disguise. qb pressuring and coverage.

    re the sub packages, i believe you are referring to my original post where i quoted Reiss.

    peace,

    cbdam/brdbreu
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : I'm not surprised.  I think there will be a lot of action for pick 33 especially from those top teams needing a QB but not wanting to gamble in the first round.  A guy like Kaepernick could draw a lot of interest early in the second.  To move up, I don't know.  I would hate to give up both firsts even to acquire a Fairley or Peterson.  First off Fairley is known as a dirty player and he may have a shoulder issue.  If not for that, the kid is as dynamic as Suh, or close to it.  Peterson would compliment McCourty nicely and we could move Bodden to SS where he can cover better than Chung.  Peterson is also one heck of a special teams/return man.  Or, we could land Miller and solve our pass rushing needs from the OLB position. Tough call.  Watt and a stud OT vs. Fairley, Miller or Peterson.  If we can lock down Mankins and extend Light for two years I'd say, YES, Let's do it.  We can parlay 33 into an extra 3rd and still have a low 40, 60, 74 and 92. 
    Posted by Faucetman

    interesting to see some folks coming around on one of my ideas-trading up.
    i'm less inclined. i was merely making the point that we needed difference makers at all 3 positions, o an dd lin, and olb.  if we trade those picks for a top 5, we wont be able to improve our o line with a stud. i suggested we needed to keep all of our o line (provided light takes a pat friendly offer) and get a 1a stud and 1b o lineman. we cant stay pat there with the same line as last year and expect different results. cmon.

    faucet too, do you expect moffit to be there at the low 40 you suggest above?


     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : ...cmon. faucet too, do you expect moffit to be there at the low 40 you suggest above?
    Posted by cbdam


    pardon my butting in...gb's running game has space for improvement. if they see it that way, how do they fix it -- rb or interior lineman? if they choose the latter, then who do they choose? it may be a reach for them, but if pouncey's gone, and the wisconsin kid is available....

    i mean what other aspect of their game do they need help at? crazy i know. interestingly, we just might find out this sunday.
     
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    Title, I too liked your mock and hope we could get any of those players you mentioned.  But I too have questions about Marecic unless he's a late round pick.  He's a great and tough kid and a BB kid--living in San Jose I've gotten to watch him when Stanford plays.  Having said all that, we don't actually need a fullback in our system and I don't think he's the OLB we need.  He is obviously versatile and special teams might use him.  I would definitely take a flyer in late rounds.  On a different note, seems like our needs match up perfectly with the strengths of this draft. 
     
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    Okay, enough of the Moch talk, although let me be the one to first call him Miller-lite.  Actually, the thought of a reasonable move up to get Von Miller is starting to grow on me.  According to Chan Gailey, who coached him at the SrB, he had no doubt that Miller would be a stud as a 3-4 OLB and be able to hold up against the run.  I'd give up 17 and 60 to move to 11 to get him if he's there.  This assumes we can retain Light and Mankins.  We could still possibly see Watt slip to 28.  If he doesn't go by 21 to KC, he slides all the way to 28. 

    We can still trade back from 33 and pick back up a 3rd.  The math would work going from 33 to 50 and picking up 82.  We could still end up doing something like this...

    11  OLB Von Miller
    28  DE JJ Watt
    50  WR Torrey Smith
    74  OG John Moffitt or Danny Watkins or Wisniewski
    82  OLB Jeremy Beal 
    92  RB Bilal Powell

    I could live with this if I had to.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : i like the thought process. disguise. qb pressuring and coverage. re the sub packages, i believe you are referring to my original post where i quoted Reiss. peace, cbdam/brdbreu
    Posted by cbdam

    Yes, I'm late to get on board, you and Pats and others were talking him up long before.  I've been trying to think outside the box on Miller-lite.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : interesting to see some folks coming around on one of my ideas-trading up. i'm less inclined. i was merely making the point that we needed difference makers at all 3 positions, o an dd lin, and olb.  if we trade those picks for a top 5, we wont be able to improve our o line with a stud. i suggested we needed to keep all of our o line (provided light takes a pat friendly offer) and get a 1a stud and 1b o lineman. we cant stay pat there with the same line as last year and expect different results. cmon. faucet too, do you expect moffit to be there at the low 40 you suggest above?
    Posted by cbdam

    The final 5 teams of the 1st round need OGs, but I see perhaps just Pouncey coming off to the Steelers.  OGs start to become in high demand around 35 but those teams have other bigger needs and OGs usually wait.  By the time we hit 43 or so, a ton of teams need OGs and they will start to fly.  I could see Wisniewski, Watkins, Moffitt, Hudson and Schilling all coming off the board in the 2nd round.  We might be able to land one of them at 60 but any lower, all bets are off.  That's why I favor a 10-12 spot trade down in the 2nd knowing I can get one of Moffitt, Wisniewski or Watkins.  But to be honest, Schilling belongs in that discussion as a very athletic quick guard.  He just hasn't been getting all the press recently.  Hudson can just flat out play regardless of his small stature.  He could be a 12 year starter at C and an excellent back-up OG.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : I'm not surprised.  I think there will be a lot of action for pick 33 especially from those top teams needing a QB but not wanting to gamble in the first round.  A guy like Kaepernick could draw a lot of interest early in the second.  To move up, I don't know.  I would hate to give up both firsts even to acquire a Fairley or Peterson.  First off Fairley is known as a dirty player and he may have a shoulder issue.  If not for that, the kid is as dynamic as Suh, or close to it.  Peterson would compliment McCourty nicely and we could move Bodden to SS where he can cover better than Chung.  Peterson is also one heck of a special teams/return man.  Or, we could land Miller and solve our pass rushing needs from the OLB position. Tough call.  Watt and a stud OT vs. Fairley, Miller or Peterson.  If we can lock down Mankins and extend Light for two years I'd say, YES, Let's do it.  We can parlay 33 into an extra 3rd and still have a low 40, 60, 74 and 92. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    Now this is interesting...Bodden paired with Chung at safety, with McCourty and Peterson as our starting CB's. I'm all for this if we can land a stud DE/DT like you suggest with Watt at possibly 28.
    I possibly suggested using both 1sts to move up for Fairley earlier, but I want to retract that suggestion. I'm not in favor of moving up in the 1st round at all, unless it's 1-3 spots, a minor move requiring a later package of picks.
    I think there is a lot of talent in this draft that is going to fall to us where we pick, and it's talent we'll need across the board. No luxury picks, just places we need good players and we'll get it with minimal movement...I think...
    I just don't see any player worth cashing in 2 1sts this year. Not even Fairley in my opinion.

    Regardless of what happens with Light, I dont' think we need to draft a stud OT in round 1. We talk so much about moving Vollmer to LT, then why spend a 1st on an RT when we can grab a quality one in rounds 2 & 3.

    Same with Guard, but Faucet's suggestion that there will be a run on Guards means we'll need to start looking for one with our 33, or if we move from 33 down into the 40 range, we'll need to grab one there. Again, supposes Mankins walks and we need to fill his spot, which to me is more urgent, the interior of the line.

    If you agree with the above, then we have flexibiity with 17 and 28, meaning, we don't need to spend it on a stud OT or G. We could go defense again with both picks, or do something a bit more unconventional and draft a Julio Jones if he falls to 17 as some suggested before.


    Thoughts guys?.....
    1. Do you agree we can wait until round 2-3 to grab a RT? (assumes moving Vollmer to LT, and Light walks)
    2. Need to pick up a Guard with 33 or if we trade down in the 40's?
    3. Pick 17 & 28...if you agree with 1 & 2, what do you do with 17 and 28?

    I'll post in a bit on my thoughts on 17 & 28 based on my beliefs above.
     
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    Does anyone else think Robert Quinn could play OLB in a 3-4?  I think he could be one of the biggest steals of the draft.  It is possible that he slips out of the top 10 but probably won't be there at 17.  Maybe the Pats could sent 17 and a 3rd rounder to move up a few slots and get him.  That would surely solve the pass rush problem.
     
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    I agree with a lot on this board in regards to Moch.  He could be a nice project for a hybrid safety/linebacker.  Remember when BB signed Tank Williams and was planning to use him in a similar role?  Moch could be similar to Tank. 
     
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    Does anyone else think Robert Quinn could play OLB in a 3-4?  I think he could be one of the biggest steals of the draft.  It is possible that he slips out of the top 10 but probably won't be there at 17.  Maybe the Pats could sent 17 and a 3rd rounder to move up a few slots and get him.  That would surely solve the pass rush problem.
    Posted by PatsFanGermany

    Yes, I think Quinn can play the 3-4 OLB.  He reminds me of a slightly shorter Julius Peppers, who if we remember, wanted to go to a 3-4 team and play OLB.  I agree that Quinn could free fall based on missing his entire season.  I'm not so sure that he will fall as far as Dez Bryant did because Dez had a pretty crapped Pro Day.  If Quinn tears it up at the Combine, he's a top 10 pick.  If Quinn makes it to 17, it's 50/50 that we'd take him based on his past/character. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15*** : Now this is interesting...Bodden paired with Chung at safety, with McCourty and Peterson as our starting CB's. I'm all for this if we can land a stud DE/DT like you suggest with Watt at possibly 28. I possibly suggested using both 1sts to move up for Fairley earlier, but I want to retract that suggestion. I'm not in favor of moving up in the 1st round at all, unless it's 1-3 spots, a minor move requiring a later package of picks. I think there is a lot of talent in this draft that is going to fall to us where we pick, and it's talent we'll need across the board. No luxury picks, just places we need good players and we'll get it with minimal movement...I think... I just don't see any player worth cashing in 2 1sts this year. Not even Fairley in my opinion. Regardless of what happens with Light, I dont' think we need to draft a stud OT in round 1. We talk so much about moving Vollmer to LT, then why spend a 1st on an RT when we can grab a quality one in rounds 2 & 3. Same with Guard, but Faucet's suggestion that there will be a run on Guards means we'll need to start looking for one with our 33, or if we move from 33 down into the 40 range, we'll need to grab one there. Again, supposes Mankins walks and we need to fill his spot, which to me is more urgent, the interior of the line. If you agree with the above, then we have flexibiity with 17 and 28, meaning, we don't need to spend it on a stud OT or G. We could go defense again with both picks, or do something a bit more unconventional and draft a Julio Jones if he falls to 17 as some suggested before. Thoughts guys?..... 1. Do you agree we can wait until round 2-3 to grab a RT? (assumes moving Vollmer to LT, and Light walks) 2. Need to pick up a Guard with 33 or if we trade down in the 40's? 3. Pick 17 & 28...if you agree with 1 & 2, what do you do with 17 and 28? I'll post in a bit on my thoughts on 17 & 28 based on my beliefs above.
    Posted by PatsLifer

    I don't want to trade both firsts either.  I also agree that a slight move up from 17 to land a specific player such as Watt, Jordan or a stud OLB like Miller, Kerrigan or Quinn makes sense.  However, we can't move up far with our lower picks.  For instance, our 4th round pick moves us up 1 spot; our pick 92 moves us up 2 spots to 15 and our pick 74 moves us up 4 spots to 13.  The only move that makes sense of these options is to leap frog JAX with pick 92 if we think they are after a DE we covet, which they could be.  Watt, Jordan, Kerrigan and Quinn are all scheme diverse if you ask me.  Watt and Jordan can play 3-4 or 4-3 DE while Quinn and Kerrigan can play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB.

    As for landing a stud LT in the first round, I tend to agree that we aren't likely to do that with Vollmer set to take over at LT when and if Light leaves.  BB is more likely to draft an OT in the 2nd round or later as history would suggest.  There are a couple of interesting options at pick 33 (if we keep it).  I firmly believe Solder, Carimi, Castonzo and Smith won't get out of the first round but Derek Sherrod just might slip to 33.  He's a natural LT where I think Carimi is more of a RT.  If teams also feel that Carimi is more of a RT, he could fall and Sherrod could replace him in the first round.  But if teams believe all 5 guys are LTs, Sherrod could be the one that drops into the 2nd.  If he does slip to 33, he won't slip much further so to take him there at 33, we have a guy who can play either LT or RT keeping our options wide open with injuries. 

    If all 5 top OTs are gone by 33, we have other options at RT lower down the board.  Jason Pinkston is a little short at 6-3 but he could be a beast of a RT in the run game and should be available in the high 40s, low 50s which makes him a nice target if we trade down from 33.  Marcus Gilbert or Chris Hairston could be nice additions in the 92 to 124 range as RTs.  I'm not wild about Barksdale, Cannon, Brewer, Love or Carpenter in between 60 and 92 unless they show at the Combine that they are quicker than they appear to be on tape.  Keep in mind also that Danny Watkins played tackle at Baylor and while OG seems like a better fit, he has the size and athletic ability to be a solid RT in the NFL, IMO.  Besides his age concerns, I really am starting to like him better than Moffitt in that I'd rather have depth at tackle than center. 

    Watkins kinda kills two birds if you ask me.  Even if we keep Mankins and Light, Watkins provides excellent depth at RT and both OG positions.  Connolly is a F/A after 2011 so depth is needed even if we keep Mankins which is not looking very likely.  I think I talked myself into Watkins with our first pick of the 2nd round wherever that happens.
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen:

    Your next stud OLB, the one that we have been missing ever since Willie McGinest left, is Adrian Clayborn.

    Strong hands; good technique; excellent instincts; can hold up against the run; can speed-rush and bull-rush; coached by Friends of Bill; will play the elephant position vacated by Willie.

    Here is a 14-minute video for you to examine:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/ProDraftParty#p/u/0/gbJqbwmfwp0
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen: Your next stud OLB, the one that we have been missing ever since Willie McGinest left, is Adrian Clayborn. Strong hands; good technique; excellent instincts; can hold up against the run; can speed-rush and bull-rush; coached by Friends of Bill; will play the elephant position vacated by Willie. Here is a 14-minute video for you to examine: http://www.youtube.com/user/ProDraftParty#p/u/0/gbJqbwmfwp0
    Posted by TrustBill


    I like Clayborn but don't see him as a 3-4 OLB. I think he is more a 4-3 DE, possibly a stretch to play 3-4 DE, but a bit too light. I don't think he has the speed or quickness to be a conversion OLB, but I don't know a ton about him either, just what I saw in a few games and via video.  

    Is there somethign specifically you have seen that leads you to believe he can make the conversion?
     
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    With regard to Light and Mankins, if Logan is set free and leaves for greener pastures, I could see the Pats re-signing Light and moving him to LG.  If you recall, Light played LG at Purdue and was transitioned to LT.  I'm sure he knows all the LG assignments by now having played next door at LT all these years and it would be a smooth transition.  Perhaps a way to extend his career, much like a CB that switches to FS.  Move Vollmer to LT and draft a strong, run-blocking behemoth like Carimi to be your RT.  Then you have Kazcur coming back to provide depth at both LG and RT.  Carimi should be available at #28, which would allow them to select either Kerrigan/Watt/J. Jones at #17. 

    I'm going to assume they trade down from #33 and add a future 2nd round pick like they do every year.  That still leaves the possibility for guys like Jeremy Beal, Randall Cobb, Moffitt and Brooks Reed in the 2nd round. 

    Thoughts?
     
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    With regard to Light and Mankins, if Logan is set free and leaves for greener pastures, I could see the Pats re-signing Light and moving him to LG.  If you recall, Light played LG at Purdue and was transitioned to LT.  I'm sure he knows all the LG assignments by now having played next door at LT all these years and it would be a smooth transition.  Perhaps a way to extend his career, much like a CB that switches to FS.  Move Vollmer to LT and draft a strong, run-blocking behemoth like Carimi to be your RT.  Then you have Kazcur coming back to provide depth at both LG and RT.  Carimi should be available at #28, which would allow them to select either Kerrigan/Watt/J. Jones at #17.  I'm going to assume they trade down from #33 and add a future 2nd round pick like they do every year.  That still leaves the possibility for guys like Jeremy Beal, Randall Cobb, Moffitt and Brooks Reed in the 2nd round.  Thoughts?
    Posted by ShiningWizard

    That is such an interesting idea.  Light and Mankins are just about identical in size. 
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    How bout this scenario;

    17 - Kerrigan OLB
    28 - Ingram RB
    33 - Phil Taylor DE
    60 - Hankerson WR
    74 - Wisniewski OL
    92 - Beal OLB
    4th - DB
    5th - OL
    6th - DB

    Tag Mankins, resign Light & BJGE.  If possible trade Meriweather for a 2nd or early 3rd and draft either Rahim Moore or Ras-I Dowling at FS.

     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

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    With regard to Light and Mankins, if Logan is set free and leaves for greener pastures, I could see the Pats re-signing Light and moving him to LG.  If you recall, Light played LG at Purdue and was transitioned to LT.  I'm sure he knows all the LG assignments by now having played next door at LT all these years and it would be a smooth transition.  Perhaps a way to extend his career, much like a CB that switches to FS.  Move Vollmer to LT and draft a strong, run-blocking behemoth like Carimi to be your RT.  Then you have Kazcur coming back to provide depth at both LG and RT.  Carimi should be available at #28, which would allow them to select either Kerrigan/Watt/J. Jones at #17.  I'm going to assume they trade down from #33 and add a future 2nd round pick like they do every year.  That still leaves the possibility for guys like Jeremy Beal, Randall Cobb, Moffitt and Brooks Reed in the 2nd round.  Thoughts?
    Posted by ShiningWizard


    Yes, the idea on Light moving to LG is an interesting idea if we lose Mankins. It gives us flexibility drafting because we could draft a G or RT, and not feel pressured to draft a stud LT in round 1. I like this. I still think possibly drafting a G later is important.  

    And, I lilke your 2nd round thoughts. I think Beal and Cobb will be around early to mid 3rd round. MOffitt I think goes 2nd and Reed could go mid-late second depending on how he does at the combine.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

                  Give them two of the following and our OLB position improves dramatically:Quinn,Kerrigan,Houston,Smith,Brooks,Ayers,Acho,Beal and Wright.One among the top three picks and one late third to late fourth round.On the OL,bring in the kids from Wisconsin,Carimi(who was born to play for the Pats,versitile and mean)at 17 and Moffitt in the third round even if the Pats and Mankins can swallow their egos and get it done.The guard from Nebraska,Henry, could be a still be there in the fourth or even fifth round and he might be the most under-rated OL in the draft.A quick aside,I'd be very happy if they sign Nicks(G),Marshall(CB)and Leonard(RB).
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

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    How bout this scenario; 17 - Kerrigan OLB 28 - Ingram RB 33 - Phil Taylor DE 60 - Hankerson WR 74 - Wisniewski OL 92 - Beal OLB 4th - DB 5th - OL 6th - DB Tag Mankins, resign Light & BJGE.  If possible trade Meriweather for a 2nd or early 3rd and draft either Rahim Moore or Ras-I Dowling at FS.
    Posted by LB34


    Interesting that you mentioned a RB.  I was thinking that what a luxury for us if we decide to use a top 3 pick on a stud RB.  I doubt BB would do it.  But, he might for the right one.  I think Ingram is probably going to end up in Miami but what about Mikel LaShoure?  At 6-0, 230 and 4.53 he brings a little more explosiveness and short yard toughness than the 5-11, 215, 4.60 Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis.  It might take 33 or even 28 to get him, just throwing out the possibility as we haven't talked about this guy much. 

    As for Mankins, I think we will tag him but more than likely we will tag then trade him as I think he made it pretty clear that he would not be happy and would hold out if tagged.  Another thought that worries me is Fairley or Dareus going to the Bills.  I'm especially worried about Fairley going to Buffalo.  Fairley is a dirty player and I could totally see him taking Brady out.  We better address our interior line if we lose Mankins.  Fairley will throw Koppen and Connolly around like rag dolls.
     
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    Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED MOCK 1/15***

    are you guys seeing this from boston.com:
       

    Union says it will challenge any franchise tags

    if the players union diggs it's heels in.....
    in the best interest of both to sign a new agreement before march 4. but it currently looks like both sides are going to play hardball.

    thoughts?

     
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