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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : HI PE, I'm with mb on this one this is why, you loss Bodden for the season and now you have Arrington starting at CB.  A CB as special as this kid shows he could be might be too tempting to pass up.  Keep going back to BB's comments on McCourty and saying he wants 4 down players that high. Now I'm about to throw something out there, Bodden moved to FS?  I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for Bodden to transition to FS.  He's big and can run, he's good in coverage and a sure tackler.  I hope Butler gets another shot this season to see if he can bounce back or might need another year to develop that confidence.   IMO Merri's days are numbered and injuries might be the only reason he sees the field.  Either Bodden a FA or draftee will move into his role next season.  Looking at the play of both OLBs and DEs this season and by end of year those two spots might not be as high on the wish list as we all think right now.
    Posted by Pats7393


    I'm with you Pats 7393 and MB.  I like the idea of drafting a corner with the first pick.  I think Oakland's pick might be higher than you think after looking at their schedule.  It's a good shot at a top 5.  If that's the case I'm all over Patrick Peterson.  He's the prototype CB right now with the size and speed.  He has the capability to shut down half the field.  Our other 2nd round pick would be the pass rusher.  I do like Kerrigan a lot based on his power, motor and smarts.  Speed and coverage are my concerns with him though. 

    I never thought about Bodden at safety.  I think it's a good idea.  You do see a lot of corners switching over to safety with success to lengthen their career.  I can't stand Meriweather and I too think he'll be gone after this year.  If we do trade him what do you think we'd get for him.  Some team that would let him freelance would be a good fit.
     
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    2011 MOCK V1 (Rounds 1-4)   I’m looking for BB to continue his roster overhaul adding even more talent, speed, intelligence, versatility and character to their roster.   Below is my first attempt at predicting what direction they may go:      Rd 1 (Raiders) – Prince Amukamara (6-0 203 CB Nebraska)- Senior :   An elite talent, great size, speed combo for a CB, shut down potential, scheme diverse, solid/secure tackler, great instincts and recognition skills, excellent ball skills.   He could immediately push Bodden for a starting position opposite McCourty.   Rd 1 (Assigned) – Ryan Kerrigan (6-4 263 OLB/DE Purdue) – Senior :   Ideal size with good instincts with ability to get after the QB, pressure the pocket and make plays behind the LOS.   He’s also shown the ability to set the edge vs. the run and didn’t look out of place when asked to drop into coverage.   He was the team MVP for the 2009 season, is a captain in 2010 and is a two-time Big Ten All-Academic recipient.   Rd 2 (Panthers) – Gabe Carimi (6-7 318 OT Wisconsin )- Senior :   A big, tough, strong, nasty, smart.   He’s the typical blue-collar type OT that BB generally targets.   He could be the eventual starter at RT assuming Vollmer moves to LT.   Rd 2 (Assigned) - Christian Ballard (6-4 296 DE Iowa) – Senior :   Possesses the size and length that BB covets in his 5-techs.   He’s smart, versatile, and stout at the POA, has the ability to get after the QB and has the Iowa/Ferentz pedigree.   He may get some 1 st round consideration.   Rd 3 (Vikings) - Robert Sands (6-5 220 S WVU) - Junior :   Great size/speed combo, good instincts and ball skills, aggressive yet secure tackler.   He could be the long term compliment to Chung in the NE secondary. Rd 3 (Assigned)- Jacquizz Rodgers (5-7 190 RB/WR Oregon State)- Junior :   Tough as nails, plays with a chip on his shoulder, elite speed and quickness, electric with the ball in his hands, would provide a ton of value/versatility/big play ability to the offense.    Rd 4- (Broncos)-***TRADED TO SEATTLE FOR BRANCH***   Rd 4- (Assigned)- Bilal Powell (6-0 215 RB Louisville)- Senior :   A relative unknown at this point, he possesses a great combo of power, burst and vision, shows some big play ability (3 70+ yd TD runs in 2010) and reminds me of Frank Gore in both looks and running style.   He would bring an upgrade of youth and talent to the NE backfield allowing BJGE to move back to a #2 or #3 back which I think better fits his skill set.  
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Hey Mb, I've been away from this thread for a few days.  Just checked out your mock.  This would be amazing.  I love every pick and actually think you've got each player in the right spot the way the early boards are ranking them.  The only slight change I'd make is I wouldn't take Rodgers.  I think Woodhead is our guy.  He gets better each week.  I'd rather use that pick on a big nasty OG that can move.  Schilling or Boling perhaps?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : I'm with you Pats 7393 and MB.  I like the idea of drafting a corner with the first pick.  I think Oakland's pick might be higher than you think after looking at their schedule.  It's a good shot at a top 5.  If that's the case I'm all over Patrick Peterson.  He's the prototype CB right now with the size and speed.  He has the capability to shut down half the field.  Our other 2nd round pick would be the pass rusher.  I do like Kerrigan a lot based on his power, motor and smarts.  Speed and coverage are my concerns with him though.  I never thought about Bodden at safety.  I think it's a good idea.  You do see a lot of corners switching over to safety with success to lengthen their career.  I can't stand Meriweather and I too think he'll be gone after this year.  If we do trade him what do you think we'd get for him.  Some team that would let him freelance would be a good fit.
    Posted by PatsNut5480

    If we're at 5 I agree, we have to get Peterson or AJ Green.  I know BB doesn't draft WR in the first round but Branch is a stop gap WR who has a long checkered past with the injury bug.  Peterson would be my first choice by far.  I'd actually keep Bodden at CB for a year and move McCourty to the slot.  McCourty has the quickness to be effective there.  If we are at 5 and Peterson is gone and Green doesn't declare, I'd try to move back a spot or too and go with Amukamara.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : I do like Carimi and think he blend in nicely as a RT. I don't however think spending a top 10 pick on a cb is way to soon for this team. You still have Bodden locked up for 3 more years and you aren't about to move him to nickel. McCourty looks like the real deal and you won't be moving him to nickel either. Drafting a CB that high means someone's playing nickel and being wasted. If it's a top 10 pick I expect then to fortify their lines first both adding depth to a second unit in the nickel. I like Kerrigan but not that early. As a OLB right now he's a mid 2nd to 3rd, his value is higher for a 43 DE though. That could change but I still like Beal over Kerrigan. Beal seems more like the prototypical rusher who has a ton of experience in the 2 point and better overall size and atheletism. You know my feelings on Woodhead. I don't want to use a pick on another player similiar to him, Rodgers.   But another line player like Boren would be great in that pick. I do like Powell and plan to continu watching him. His size speed and between the tackels running style seems to fit perfectly with BJGE and Woodhead. I would love to have him on the team.
    Posted by PatsEng

    All good points.  But I don't think moving McCourty to nickel would be wasting him.  He would see the field on half the plays and would be on all the Special Teams.  I'd use him returning punts instead of Welker.  The goal is to have a lock down secondary.  Take our biggest weakness and make it our biggest strength. 

    I agree completely with you on Woodhead and just read back and think MB is in agreement too.  Each week the kid gets better and more involved.  Hopefully by the end of the year we'll be saying, "Faulk who?"  Oops, that sounded dangerously close to another phrase, lol.

    As for Kerrigan, Beal and the other OLB, edge rusher types, I haven't formed a strong opinion yet.  I do think our 1st or CAR 2nd would be the right spot if we are going for a lockdown corner with the OAK pick.

     
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    Is it official we traded Denver's 4th and not our own? Everything I have read just says 4th round pick, no clarification.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : I do like Carimi and think he blend in nicely as a RT. I don't however think spending a top 10 pick on a cb is way to soon for this team. You still have Bodden locked up for 3 more years and you aren't about to move him to nickel. McCourty looks like the real deal and you won't be moving him to nickel either. Drafting a CB that high means someone's playing nickel and being wasted. If it's a top 10 pick I expect then to fortify their lines first both adding depth to a second unit in the nickel. I like Kerrigan but not that early. As a OLB right now he's a mid 2nd to 3rd, his value is higher for a 43 DE though. That could change but I still like Beal over Kerrigan. Beal seems more like the prototypical rusher who has a ton of experience in the 2 point and better overall size and atheletism. You know my feelings on Woodhead. I don't want to use a pick on another player similiar to him, Rodgers.   But another line player like Boren would be great in that pick. I do like Powell and plan to continu watching him. His size speed and between the tackels running style seems to fit perfectly with BJGE and Woodhead. I would love to have him on the team.
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    I do like Carimi and think he blend in nicely as a RT.

    I don't however think spending a top 10 pick on a cb is way to soon for this team. You still have Bodden locked up for 3 more years and you aren't about to move him to nickel. McCourty looks like the real deal and you won't be moving him to nickel either. Drafting a CB that high means someone's playing nickel and being wasted. If it's a top 10 pick I expect then to fortify their lines first both adding depth to a second unit in the nickel.
     I disagree, CB depth/talent is a huge issue on their current roster and Amukamara is one of the elite talents in the draft and a potential impact defender.  You don’t pass up elite talents because of assumed starters (Bodden), you take the player and let the cards fall where they may.  If there’s an elite DE available when they select, I think that would be the other option.
    I like Kerrigan but not that early. As a OLB right now he's a mid 2nd to 3rd, his value is higher for a 43 DE though. That could change but I still like Beal over Kerrigan. Beal seems more like the prototypical rusher who has a ton of experience in the 2 point and better overall size and atheletism.
     I do like Beal as well and think he’s another good 3-4 edge option though I’m not sure about him having “better overall size….” as Kerrigan is listed at 6-4 263 to Beal’s 6-3 267.

    You know my feelings on Woodhead. I don't want to use a pick on another player similiar to him, Rodgers.   But another line player like Boren would be great in that pick.
     I don’t disagree and may eventually go that route.  We’ll know more by the end of the season.
    I do like Powell and plan to continu watching him. His size speed and between the tackels running style seems to fit perfectly with BJGE and Woodhead. I would love to have him on the team.
     Indeed, I’m interested to see how the kid performs the rest of the season and will be a player I track weekly.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Hey Mb, I've been away from this thread for a few days.  Just checked out your mock.  This would be amazing.  I love every pick and actually think you've got each player in the right spot the way the early boards are ranking them.  The only slight change I'd make is I wouldn't take Rodgers.  I think Woodhead is our guy.  He gets better each week.  I'd rather use that pick on a big nasty OG that can move.  Schilling or Boling perhaps?
    Posted by Faucetman


    Faucet,
    Thanks!  I don't disagree on the Rodgers part and may eventually go that route before all is said and done.  I do think Woodhead has proved his worth thus far and could be a long term fix.  Schilling and Boling are both guys that I'm keeping an eye on, another guy that interests me is Keith Williams (6-5 310) the OG from Nebraska, most sites don't say much about him, but one site has him listed as the top interior OL available to this point in the season.  Does your bro have anything on him?
     
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    And sometimes you have to go out on a limb and mine is defending Meri. He is not without fault but last weeks game might have been his best as a Patriot ( look past the one head shot, not the hit itself, just the 15yrds ). Missed no tackles, was in position on every play, and hit people as hard as any saftey could. Yes he has had problems staying within the scheme of the defense but so far this year his performance has been solid. Chung and Mayo have cleaned up all the tackles in front of him ( as they should ) and we have not been beaten deep over the middle to often. People mention the fact he was not showing up much, thats a good thing for a deep safety. I have not seen any of the whiffing this year?
    I know people think he is a thug, from the "U", not the brightest bulb, and he made some bad plays ( also some good ones ).
    But I feel like he has been blacklisted in alot of minds and there is no coming back from that. I just do not think like that, I dont care a thing about him other than how he performs on Sunday.

    So bottom line is he is a decent player and may be able to play well enough this season to say on the field and be resigned ( better not hold out for the big $, then say cya ). There is still upside here 

    So based on the next 10 or more games will determine if we must draft a S. If Meri plays well it would be a wasted pick.

    Don't want to start a debate on him, I know alot of your feelings here already and sry if this isn't the place. Just think alot of you selecting S in the 2nd or 3rd round may be jumping the gun a bit based on our other needs. If you do want a S then we need one who is better than Meri, not just "Not Him". How bout we take that 2nd, trade for a 2012 1st ( if possible ) and select the best S on the board. This way we have a better chance of bringing in an upgrade and Meri plays out his contract. We may get a comp pick ( if he can maintain a high level through then ) and we dont have to resign a " Bad Egg " which I agree is not good buisness. I am just not convinced yet that he is that "Bad Egg", Wilfork did back him up after the game, and he has not had any dicipline issue's off the field. I just see a overzealous hitter who is still growing up out there every Sunday. I don't care if he was 1st rounder or 7th after the fact, they can all get benched to learn some things. I hope he learns them and we can think about OLB's, OT's, RB's, WR's and trading a few for 2012 so we can continue to own these drafts every year.

     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : HI PE, I'm with mb on this one this is why, you loss Bodden for the season and now you have Arrington starting at CB.  A CB as special as this kid shows he could be might be too tempting to pass up.  Keep going back to BB's comments on McCourty and saying he wants 4 down players that high. Now I'm about to throw something out there, Bodden moved to FS?  I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for Bodden to transition to FS.  He's big and can run, he's good in coverage and a sure tackler.  I hope Butler gets another shot this season to see if he can bounce back or might need another year to develop that confidence.   IMO Merri's days are numbered and injuries might be the only reason he sees the field.  Either Bodden a FA or draftee will move into his role next season.  Looking at the play of both OLBs and DEs this season and by end of year those two spots might not be as high on the wish list as we all think right now.
    Posted by Pats7393


    That's certainly thinking outside the box, it may never happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. His good size, anticipation, instincts, ball skills and ability to tackle securely would translate well, though they'd certainly need to bring another CB in first.
     
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    Is it official we traded Denver's 4th and not our own? Everything I have read just says 4th round pick, no clarification.
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    Seattle will receive the higher of the two picks.  I based my mock on the assumption that NE will finish better than Denver though that's certainly not a guarantee.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options: Player Spotlight Week 1 : ShiningWizard, I agree, his size/strength and ability against the run make him an ideal 3 down player. Miller showed a great ability to get after the QB last season leading the nation with 17 sacks (Kerrigan tied for 4th overall with 12) but what concerns me is his size.  He's listed at 6-2 243 which leads me to believe he will measure in shorter and lighter than that (as a lot of players generally are listed bigger than they are).  With that being said, I wouldn't have him on my list of potential NE targets due to his size.  While BB has no issue with acquiring players (via trade/free agency) that are shorter/lighter than ideal, he has shown no willingness to draft these types of players.  It's almost as if he wants to see them perform in the NFL level before giving them a shot.  Texas A&M is implementing a 3-4 this year, so he'll have a year in the system, which if successful (vs. the run, in coverage and rushing the QB), might force BB to re-evaluate his size premium for the position. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE

    what sizes are the colts ends??   quickness and strength are the important items
     
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    As a point of reference,  below is a list (put together on this past April's draft thread) of a lot of the top players by position in the country.  This list is very fluid (i.e. I just added Jack Crawford this AM) so please feel free to suggest adding/taking away a player. 2011 Draft Options   Michael Floyd- WR- Notre Dame Julio Jones- WR- Alabama Austin Pettis- WR- Boise State Jonathan Baldwin- WR- Pitt Ryan Broyles- WR- Oklahoma A.J. Green- WR- Georgia Mark Ingram- RB- Alabama Noel Devine- RB- West Virginia Ryan Williams- RB- Virginia Tech Daniel Thomas- RB- Kansas State Evan Royster- RB- Penn State Demarco Murray- RB- Oklahoma Allen Bradford- RB- USC Kyle Rudolph- T E- Notre Dame Owen Marecic- FB- Stanford Stanley Havili- FB- USC Jake Locker- QB- Washington Ryan Mallet- QB- Arkansas Andrew Luck- QB- Stanford John Brantley- QB- Florida Blaine Gabbert- QB- Missouri Christian Ponder- QB- FSU Greg Romeus- DE- Pitt Marcel Dareus- DE- Alabama Adrian Clayborn- DE – Iowa Jarvis Jenkins- DE- Clemson Cameron Jordan- DE- Cal Jared Crick- DT/DE- Nebraska Allen Bailey- DT/DE- Miami Marvin Austin- DT/DE- UNC Cameron Heyward- DT/DE- Ohio State Ryan Kerrigan- DE/OLB- Purdue Robert Quinn- DE/OLB- UNC Jack Crawford- DE/OLB- Penn State Quan Sturdivant- ILB- North Carolina Mark Herlzich- OLB- Boston College Cliff Mathews- OLB- South Carolina Akeem Ayers- OLB- UCLA Chris Galippo- ILB- USC Tank Carder- ILB- TCU Dante Hightower- LB- Alabama Patrick Peterson- CB- LSU Prince Amukamara- CB- Nebraska Tyler Sash- S- Iowa Mark Barron- S- Alabama Rahim Moore- S- UCLA Anthony Castonzo- OT- Boston College Gabe Carimi- OT- Wisconsin Matt Reynolds- OT- BYU Nate Solder- OT- Colorado Nate Potter- OT- Boise State Mike Pouncey- C- Florida Justin Boren- C- Ohio State  
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    MB;

    You're a busy guy! Thanks or sharing all your research and insight with us all.

    I'm kind of surprised that more guys on this board aren't talking RB in the first round. I think we desperately need the bruiser that we haven't had since Corey Dillon.

    What's your evaluation of Mark Ingram in  a Pats uniform? Anyone else out there worthy of a 1st rounder? 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options: Player Spotlight Week 1 : ShiningWizard, I agree, his size/strength and ability against the run make him an ideal 3 down player. Miller showed a great ability to get after the QB last season leading the nation with 17 sacks (Kerrigan tied for 4th overall with 12) but what concerns me is his size.  He's listed at 6-2 243 which leads me to believe he will measure in shorter and lighter than that (as a lot of players generally are listed bigger than they are).  With that being said, I wouldn't have him on my list of potential NE targets due to his size.  While BB has no issue with acquiring players (via trade/free agency) that are shorter/lighter than ideal, he has shown no willingness to draft these types of players.  It's almost as if he wants to see them perform in the NFL level before giving them a shot.  Texas A&M is implementing a 3-4 this year, so he'll have a year in the system, which if successful (vs. the run, in coverage and rushing the QB), might force BB to re-evaluate his size premium for the position.  Posted by mbeaulieu07

    [/QUOTE what sizes are the colts ends??   quickness and strength are the important items
    Posted by fishers5


    The Colts run a completely different scheme (base 4-3/tampa 2 vs. NE's 3-4) so comparisons to their 'front 7' personnel preferences don't apply to NE.

    With that being said, I've never said quickness and strength aren't important.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : HI PE, I'm with mb on this one this is why, you loss Bodden for the season and now you have Arrington starting at CB.  A CB as special as this kid shows he could be might be too tempting to pass up.  Keep going back to BB's comments on McCourty and saying he wants 4 down players that high. Now I'm about to throw something out there, Bodden moved to FS?  I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for Bodden to transition to FS.  He's big and can run, he's good in coverage and a sure tackler.  I hope Butler gets another shot this season to see if he can bounce back or might need another year to develop that confidence.   IMO Merri's days are numbered and injuries might be the only reason he sees the field.  Either Bodden a FA or draftee will move into his role next season.  Looking at the play of both OLBs and DEs this season and by end of year those two spots might not be as high on the wish list as we all think right now.
    Posted by Pats7393


    You are right. It's really hard to pass on that kind of depth and talent at CB. But I don't think you draft that high to move one of your budding stars or a high draft pick to only play half the downs. If you look at the high picks BB has made in his career they all have one thing in common. They all replaced a backup player with a 4 down player. Replacing 1 4 down player with another just seems like a waste when you can have the chance to put in a 4 down player in either the lines or the OLB.

    However, I do like the idea of moving Bodden to FS if it were possible. It would solve a couple of problems and would make room to have a rotation of McCourty, Bodden, X-CB, and Meriweather (if he's still around). That would keep them fresh and make our secondary a great strength.

    Assuming that Bodden can move to FS and CB in a rotation while keeping McCourty and X-CB on the field for 70% of the snaps I'll be more then happy selecting an elite CB early.

    However, if Bodden wouldn't be able to move over then I'd much rather upgrade the Dline or OLB. Don't forget our pass rush is kinda weak and a great pass rush can make up for a weaker secondary. But an elite secondary can't always provide enough coverage for a weaker pass rush.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : You are right. It's really hard to pass on that kind of depth and talent at CB. But I don't think you draft that high to move one of your budding stars or a high draft pick to only play half the downs. If you look at the high picks BB has made in his career they all have one thing in common. They all replaced a backup player with a 4 down player. Replacing 1 4 down player with another just seems like a waste when you can have the chance to put in a 4 down player in either the lines or the OLB. However, I do like the idea of moving Bodden to FS if it were possible. It would solve a couple of problems and would make room to have a rotation of McCourty, Bodden, X-CB, and Meriweather (if he's still around). That would keep them fresh and make our secondary a great strength. Assuming that Bodden can move to FS and CB in a rotation while keeping McCourty and X-CB on the field for 70% of the snaps I'll be more then happy selecting an elite CB early. However, if Bodden wouldn't be able to move over then I'd much rather upgrade the Dline or OLB. Don't forget our pass rush is kinda weak and a great pass rush can make up for a weaker secondary. But an elite secondary can't always provide enough coverage for a weaker pass rush.
    Posted by PatsEng


    Bodden would need to move, reason I think Bodden could actualy do that and be a good FS is his cover skills size, speed and tackling abilities.  He also understands the system very well.  I think it would be a pretty good secondary if you draft one of the two top CBs.

    Bodden Chung as safeties
    McCourty, Amukamara outside and butler weatley as nickle. 

    For the OLBs, I will wait until the season is done before I say we need a stud OLB.  Right now Cunnigham and Crable look to be getting better everygame specially Cunningham setting the edge against the run.
    Crable is a guy with speed to be an effective 3rd down rusher and Nink is holding his own.   I think they will be ok here for DL, those guys have been doing a really good job so far and will only improve with more time as a unit.

    1a. Prince Amukamara CB 6-0 200 another McCourty type CB, 4 down player has great ball skills.  It gives a new look to NE CBs, taller bigger. 
    1b. Jeremy Beal OLB 6'3" 260 I'm not convinced we'll need to spend a high pick on a OLB, watch Cunningham and Nink the rest of the year.  If there's a need to get a stud I think Beal could be that guy.
    2a. Matt Reynolds OT 6'6" 325 (Junior) He may be a 1st rounder but I would not mind him slipping if there's a run on D players or QBs.  A few places has him ranked as the top Junior tackle in the country.
    2b.  Kenny Tate FS 6'4" 220 (Junior) converted WR, only 3 years of S experience but looks and plays the part.  He's a Junior and might now declare but he's stock is on the rise.  Another 4 down player.
    3a. Jarvis Jenkins DT/DE 6'4" 315 Very agile for a 315 pounder, could help at DE although Deadrick might proof to be a starter yet. 
    3b. John Moffitt G/C 6'5" 320 Will add depth and give BB another versitile inside guy.  Has played both guard and center
    4 Brandon Saine RB 6'0" 220 speedy RB who will deliver a hit on tacklers.  Can be spread out wide and has the speed to move with CBs and beat LBs.
    6 Kris Adams WR 6'3" 195 player to develop, probably a PS for a year or two.  Needs to polish routes.
     
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    If we don't take a cb early one S to keep an eye on is Jeron Johnson. He's not as fast as Meriweather but he takes great angles and is very solid in fundamentals, ie tackling, reading routes. He just has a high football IQ. Someone that could become a CB/S like what Meriweather was suppose to become.

    The only weakness I can see which does hurt him is that he isn't very explosive and is a bit slow for a S (high 4.5's low 4.6's range). But he does have good instincts for the ball and had 4 picks last year.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Faucet, Thanks!  I don't disagree on the Rodgers part and may eventually go that route before all is said and done.  I do think Woodhead has proved his worth thus far and could be a long term fix.  Schilling and Boling are both guys that I'm keeping an eye on, another guy that interests me is Keith Williams (6-5 310) the OG from Nebraska, most sites don't say much about him, but one site has him listed as the top interior OL available to this point in the season.  Does your bro have anything on him?
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Mb,

    Just heard back from my brother on this.  Here is a report from one of his scouts....

    Coming into this season I didn't have Keith rated as pro-caliber, but after scouting 3-plus games he's clearly taken his game up a couple of notches and now is a legitimate prospect.  He's naturally huge and strong, and is a pretty good athlete with good quickness for a man his size.  As a run blocker, he more engulfs and smothers his man rather than driving him out, and though he gets off the ball well and gets to the second level, he'll have problems engaging moving targets.  As a pass blocker he can absorb and stone the bull rush, but is vulnerable to stunts, slants and quickness in general.  I see him as more of a RG prospect in the pros.  I'd put a 5th round grade on him now, but he has upside and can get better. 

    As far as him being the top interior prospect in the nation, I disagree; I don't think he's the top interior prospect on his team.  RG Ricky Henry is the best OL I've scouted this season (including OT's), but because he's strictly a guard, he won't go before the second round and would be the steal of the century in the third.  He's not quite as big as Williams, but is quicker and more athletic/agile.  What makes him special, though, is his explosive power.  While Williams ties up and neutralizes his man, Henry rocks back and buries his man, even in pass protection.  Adding to this is his attitude; he's not dirty but is downright MEAN and the toughest guy on the field.  In my opinion, a future All-Pro.  Hope this answers some questions.

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    In the first couple of rounds, I like going heavy D - for top pick from Raiders - if Pete Peterson of LSU is there I am for picking him as MB and others have noted, but if not I would go DE - Cameron Heywood of Ohio State.  Also like Cameron Jordan of Cal.  Anyhow, either DB and DE or flip them with our 2 first round picks.

    Carolina second, which we own, looks like a high second and here I want OLB - Kerrigan or Quinn (stock may fall as he won't play this year probably), or Mark Herzlich of BC.  Botton of second round I want OL - what does anyone think/know about Justin Sherrod of Miss State?  6'5" and 305 lbs. I have high regard for him.  How about the guy from Pitt - Jason Pinkston - any thoughts about him?  Also, Kris O'Dowd a center from SoCal would be a good choice.  Any thoughts for OLmen in second or third rounds?
     
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    Is it official we traded Denver's 4th and not our own? Everything I have read just says 4th round pick, no clarification.
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    Sorry if this has been answered already.  We traded the better of our 4ths, whichever one it is.  Right now we all assume it will be Denver.  For those that keep mocking our 6th rounder, we don't have it.  We traded our 6th and Maroney for Denver's 4th which we then (presumptively) traded for Branch.  So, Branch cost us a 6th and Maroney.

    We should get a comp pick for Watson, I agree it will most likely be a 6th.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Bodden would need to move, reason I think Bodden could actualy do that and be a good FS is his cover skills size, speed and tackling abilities.  He also understands the system very well.  I think it would be a pretty good secondary if you draft one of the two top CBs. Bodden Chung as safeties McCourty, Amukamara outside and butler weatley as nickle.  For the OLBs, I will wait until the season is done before I say we need a stud OLB.  Right now Cunnigham and Crable look to be getting better everygame specially Cunningham setting the edge against the run. Crable is a guy with speed to be an effective 3rd down rusher and Nink is holding his own.   I think they will be ok here for DL, those guys have been doing a really good job so far and will only improve with more time as a unit. 1a. Prince Amukamara CB 6-0 200 another McCourty type CB, 4 down player has great ball skills.  It gives a new look to NE CBs, taller bigger.  1b. Jeremy Beal OLB 6'3" 260 I'm not convinced we'll need to spend a high pick on a OLB, watch Cunningham and Nink the rest of the year.  If there's a need to get a stud I think Beal could be that guy. 2a. Matt Reynolds OT 6'6" 325 (Junior) He may be a 1st rounder but I would not mind him slipping if there's a run on D players or QBs.  A few places has him ranked as the top Junior tackle in the country. 2b.  Kenny Tate FS 6'4" 220 (Junior)  converted WR, only 3 years of S experience but looks and plays the part.  He's a Junior and might now declare but he's stock is on the rise.  Another 4 down player. 3a. Jarvis Jenkins DT/DE 6'4" 315 Very agile for a 315 pounder, could help at DE although Deadrick might proof to be a starter yet.  3b. John Moffitt G/C 6'5" 320 Will add depth and give BB another versitile inside guy.  Has played both guard and center 4 Brandon Saine RB 6'0" 220 speedy RB who will deliver a hit on tacklers.  Can be spread out wide and has the speed to move with CBs and beat LBs. 6 Kris Adams WR 6'3" 195 player to develop, probably a PS for a year or two.  Needs to polish routes.
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    Would love that draft with the exception of a RB instead of Tate in the 2nd rd.
     
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    In the first couple of rounds, I like going heavy D - for top pick from Raiders - if Pete Peterson of LSU is there I am for picking him as MB and others have noted, but if not I would go DE - Cameron Heywood of Ohio State.  Also like Cameron Jordan of Cal.  Anyhow, either DB and DE or flip them with our 2 first round picks. Carlina second, which we own, looks like a high second and here I want OLB - Kerrigan or Quinn (stock may fall as he won't play this year probably), or Mark Herzlich of BC.  Botton of second round I want OL - what does anyone think/know about Justin Sherrod of Miss State?  6'5" and 305 lbs. I have high regard for him.  Hoe about the guy from Pitt - Jason Pinkston - any thoughts about him?  Also, Kris O'Dowd a center from SoCal would be a good choice.  Anythoughts for OLmen in second or third rounds?
    Posted by fyyankees

    Good call on O'Dowd.  I now have him as my highest ranked Center ahead of Penn State's Wisniewski.  I think O'Dowd could go late first but most likely early 2nd.  This is a full round up from where most people have him.  I'm pretty sure we'd never pull the trigger on a C that high though.  I keep going back to BB tendencies.  Koppen was a 5th round pick.  Most of our interior line in recent years have been late picks or undrafted free agents.  When BB has drafted OL in the first two rounds he's hit pay dirt each time; Light, Mankins, Vollmer.  Since we have 4 picks in the first two rounds and our OL is getting old, I could see him using one of those picks in 2011 but I think it would be for a OT, not an interior lineman. 

    If it were me, I'd want to make sure that all 4 of those picks are starters by year 2 and solid contributors in year 1 and that they are upgrades to who we have now.  Connolly can play center.  I might move him over in 2012 when Koppen's contract expires and draft a stud OG this year thinking that maybe this will be Neal's last year.

    Keep an eye on Ricky Henry from Nebraska.  Nobody is talking about him yet (See my recent post).  He's 6-4, 305 which is right about where our current guards are.  Condraft has him at #58 where most boards have him in the 7th-F/A.  I haven't watched him yet but he earned All Big 12 Honorable mention in 2009 starting 14 games at RG.  We need to start grooming Neal's replacement.  I found this cool article on Henry.  He and Suh apparently went at it as teammates every day last year.  If he can frustrate 2009 best Defensive linesman, Henry is worth a long look.

    Suh, Henry Benefit from Physical Grind of Intense Practices

    So what's the big difference in
    www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&SPSID=4&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=157537&Q_SEASON=2009">Ndamukong Suh from last year to this year? Is he faster? Yes. Stronger?
    Yes. Meaner? Yes. Tougher? Yes.Credit James Dobson for making the senior All-America defensive tackle faster and stronger. Nebraska's strength and conditioning coach found the right training mix to help Suh sculpt a leaner body at the same time he was developing more explosion in his feet and legs.Credit offensive right guard www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&SPSID=4&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1515264&Q_SEASON=2009">Ricky Henry for making the nation's leading Outland Trophy candidate meaner and tougher.What was true in Nebraska's national championship years in the mid-1990s seems to ring true this year for at least two players in the trenches ... sometimes, perhaps even most times, Saturdays are easier than weekdays.And Suh knows why. His aggressive one-on-one battles with Nebraska's most physical offensive guard has created a love-hate relationship with the teammate who lines up across from him every day in practice.He loves Ricky Henry for making him meaner and tougher. But there are also daily doses of hatred buried in the midst of their unrelenting, oftentimes dramatic battles.Henry, you see, has the kind of nastiness that all offensive line coaches enjoy, and that includes Nebraska's Barney Cotton. "Ricky and Big Suh go at each other hard. They don't stop until the whistle blows," Nebraska assistant strength coach Chad Wade said before correcting himself. "Actually, they don't stop until they hear the echo of that whistle. That's why it's never boring to watch those two battle each other. It's all-out war every play, every day."That intense physicality has made Henry a highly effective first-year starter.And it's made Big Suh an even bigger star than he was a year ago.

    A late round gem who impressed me last week against UCLA was Oregon's LT Bo Thran.  He's 6-5, 295.  Akeem Ayers was lined up across from Thran for much of the first 3 quarters.  Thran just owned Ayers.  I though Ayers was an elite pass rusher and Thran basically nuetralized him.  Later in the game Ayers gave up and moved over to the other side but didn't do much over there either.  Thran has also played LG and RT which gives him the diversity that BB requires of his OL.  I don't consider Thran as a top prospect but he would be great value with our potential 6th round comp pick.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2011 Patriots Draft Options ***UPDATED WITH MOCK V1*** : Mb, Just heard back from my brother on this.  Here is a report from one of his scouts.... Coming into this season I didn't have Keith rated as pro-caliber, but after scouting 3-plus games he's clearly taken his game up a couple of notches and now is a legitimate prospect.  He's naturally huge and strong, and is a pretty good athlete with good quickness for a man his size.  As a run blocker, he more engulfs and smothers his man rather than driving him out, and though he gets off the ball well and gets to the second level, he'll have problems engaging moving targets.  As a pass blocker he can absorb and stone the bull rush, but is vulnerable to stunts, slants and quickness in general.  I see him as more of a RG prospect in the pros.  I'd put a 5th round grade on him now, but he has upside and can get better.  As far as him being the top interior prospect in the nation, I disagree; I don't think he's the top interior prospect on his team.  RG Ricky Henry is the best OL I've scouted this season (including OT's), but because he's strictly a guard, he won't go before the second round and would be the steal of the century in the third.  He's not quite as big as Williams, but is quicker and more athletic/agile.  What makes him special, though, is his explosive power.  While Williams ties up and neutralizes his man, Henry rocks back and buries his man, even in pass protection.  Adding to this is his attitude; he's not dirty but is downright MEAN and the toughest guy on the field.  In my opinion, a future All-Pro.  Hope this answers some questions. Adam Bendiksen
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    Faucet,
    Great stuff!!  Oddly enough, I was thinking about adding Ricky Henry to my original question (there isn't much out about him either), glad the scout touched off on him as well.  As I've been looking to add an OG to my mock, he may now be the guy.
     
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    I hope that the Pats will have a shot at Patrick Peterson with the Raiders pick. He has the ability to impact the game in many different areas and that is what the Pats like in players. Amukamara wouldn't be a bad consolation prize either though. I don't think you could go wrong with either guy really. Like Mike said earlier in this post, the Pats like to go with the best player available, and with the Raiders pick, I think one of these two will be there. Hard to pass up.... Solid secondary for years to come with one of those two added to McCourty and Bodden. Maybe even Butler will come around, who knows.
     
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    Love this thread.... Watched the UCLA-Oregon game with an eye on Akeem Ayers...he looked thin, pretty fast, but LOST during the game.....maybe it was just the opponent, but he was NOT very impressive! If the Pats score a top 8 pick from Oakland I would not hesitate to go with Dareus at DE...the guy is a stud, plays hard all the time, and knows the "5" technique after playing at "Bama, plus you cannot beat the fact he's playing against the best competition in the country week in and week out. I also think the Pats have to consider an OT or OT/OG multitasker with their own 1st round pick. There are several candidates to pick from that would become fixtures on the OL for years. DeQuan Bowers from Clemson at 3/4 OLB should be a consideration with the Carolina pick in the 2nd, that is IF he's still on the board. Once again, great thread... IT'S NEVER TO EARLY TO WORK ON THE DRAFT!
    Posted by jfaust1954

    I concur on Ayers.  I was not impressed at all watching him against Oregon.  He is certainly big and athletic but doesn't play with a nasty streak at all.  He failed to get pressure on the QB and was seldom involved in plays.  He was standing around most of the time at the end of the play.  There were a bunch of times he could have came in to help on a running play but didn't.  Of course when a team puts 60 up on you it can be deflating but I've taken Ayers off my board for now.

    As for Bowers, I've been thinking about him too purely as a pass rusher.  I think he will go mid 1st round.  He is probably best suited to remain a 43 DE.  In our scheme he'd most likely be a third down pass rusher.  At 271 he's about 20 lbs too heavy to fit our mold for OLB.  All of our LBs are in the 242 to 255 range.  I know Adalius Thomas was 270 but he was the exception, not the norm.  To spend a high pick on a sack specialist who sees maybe half your defensive snaps I don't think is worth the pick.  I was going to make a case for it because we need to be able to get more pressure on the QB but BB won't take him for this reason I'm pretty sure.

    I think you are on to something with Marcell Dareus assuming he comes out.  If he's there with our 1st pick late in the first round I might take him.  I don't think he gets much past 25.  Another guy to watch who's been brought up before is Nick Failey.  He had a monster game for Auburn yesterday.  He's a bit taller and leaner than Dareus but could have more upside and be had a little further down in the draft.  There are a bunch of potential 5 techs out there who I think we'd consider late first, early 2nd.
     
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