***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    Now I'm really starting to wonder if this is a smoke screen or not:

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    NFL Network's Albert Breer reports that the Patriots have reached out to the Seahawks about the availability of the No. 12 pick.

    Specifically, Breer reported that New England asked "what it would take to get to 12." The Pats certainly have the ammo with two first-round picks and five selections in the top 93. They have nothing after the fourth round, however. NFL Network's Stacey Dales has reported that New England is strongly interested in Syracuse DE Chandler Jones, and he may be their target in any potential move up."

    Could they actually be targeting Jones? To move up to #12 it would take both 1sts, that is so against the MO of BB really makes you wonder why if this is a smoke screen. Everyone in the league wouldn't expect this type of move given BB's past
     
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    I think as GM you ask these questions for every pick, so as the draft unwinds you at least have an idea if someone is slipping. Asking is not making the trade.
    I believe a move that high would be for Cox if he slips out of the top ten.
    I don't see it for safety or CB.

     
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    My last mock, I'm not going to give specific picks because I think trades are happening.  Just going to list the players in order drafted.

    1.  McClellin OLB - I don't know he makes it to the Pats but if he's available he needs to be the pick.  He's a 4 down player and has the football IQ to be a day one starter.
    2.  Kendall Reyes DE/DT - I think this 2nd pick will happen in the 2nd round so hopping Reyes is still available.  He's another player who can start day one is either 34 or 43.  
    3.  Vinny Curry DE/OLB - Sub pass rusher who will need time to develop cover skills and learn assignments.
    4.  Zebrie Sanders OT - Sanders adds depth and a potential starting OT.  He has experience at LT and RT, has the skills to play LT but needs work.  Strong run blocker, would give Pats the flexibility to move Cannon inside if Waters retires.
    5.  Ron Brooks CB - Could be one of the sleepers in the draft, has had experience at all CB spots at LSU.  Very good cover guy with excellent speed. 
    6.  DeQuan Menzie FS/CB - Menzie is a very good slot CB and a good zone defender who will be able to make the transfer to FS.  
    7.  Malik Jackson DE - sub and 43 DE with good pass rush and also plays well against the run.  Can develop into a 5 technic with added weight.
    8.  Jarius Wright WR - Very good route runner and speed to beat coverage.  
    9.  Korey Toomer OLB - Very athletic OLB, good instincts and can cover TEs or RBs.  Probably a practice squad or special teams candidate.  High upside with development.  Sub package LB who if can develop could be a very good cover LB.  Played OLB, ILB, DE and FB at Idaho State.


     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!":
    Now I'm really starting to wonder if this is a smoke screen or not: " NFL Network's Albert Breer reports that the Patriots have reached out to the Seahawks about the availability of the No. 12 pick. Specifically, Breer reported that New England asked "what it would take to get to 12." The Pats certainly have the ammo with two first-round picks and five selections in the top 93. They have nothing after the fourth round, however. NFL Network's Stacey Dales has reported that New England is strongly interested in Syracuse DE Chandler Jones, and he may be their target in any potential move up." Could they actually be targeting Jones? To move up to #12 it would take both 1sts, that is so against the MO of BB really makes you wonder why if this is a smoke screen. Everyone in the league wouldn't expect this type of move given BB's past Posted by PatsEng
    This is worse than Christmas when I use to shake the box that was sitting under the tree 2 weeks before getting to open it. I wouldn't rule a big move up, but please god not for jones. Cox, Barron, brockers, Ingram. I like them all with a move up, but not at the sake of giving up 2 firsts. Has BB ever traded up that high only to trade again a few spots down? Meaning if he is targeting a specific player or two and feels like he needs to be at 12, but things unfold differently causing him to trade down a few spots and maybe pick up a 3rd or something...sounds crazy but can you add by taking away first ?
     
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    Now I'm really starting to wonder if this is a smoke screen or not: " NFL Network's Albert Breer reports that the Patriots have reached out to the Seahawks about the availability of the No. 12 pick. Specifically, Breer reported that New England asked "what it would take to get to 12." The Pats certainly have the ammo with two first-round picks and five selections in the top 93. They have nothing after the fourth round, however. NFL Network's Stacey Dales has reported that New England is strongly interested in Syracuse DE Chandler Jones, and he may be their target in any potential move up." Could they actually be targeting Jones? To move up to #12 it would take both 1sts, that is so against the MO of BB really makes you wonder why if this is a smoke screen. Everyone in the league wouldn't expect this type of move given BB's past
    Posted by PatsEng


    This would terrify me. IMO the only guy in this draft we trade up for is Barron and even then, I wouldnt give up both first for him. The other rumor that scares me is the Pats being linked to Trumaine Johnson at 31. If Harrison Smith is available at 31 and we skip him and take Trumaine Johnson, I swear I will .....

     
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    Pats move up trade with Houston, get 26 and have 27th. McClellin and Smith. If not Packers grabs 1 for sure. Need both for that team. Posted by bobbysu
    I agree that BB likes back to back pics. Makes sense to me.
     
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    from Jason Lacantora, to me this would be a major disapointment unless they worked him out at FS and they feel he can be a day one starter back there.  Doing some reading on him, this might be the option if he's drafted by the Pats. Very experienced, started games as a freshman and has eversince.  Still not a CB who would I would consider a #1 or #2.

    Surprise corner for Patriots?

    Like others, I expect New England to trade one of its two first-round picks. If they stay at No. 31, though, they have done a lot of work on corners. It would be a surprise, but I continue to hear strong reports on Vandy corner Casey Hayward. New England did a lot of work on him. If New England does deal with Cleveland, and move back atop the second round, then Howard may be in play there as well.

     

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8289de68/article/2012-nfl-draft-latest-rumblings-from-around-the-league?module=HP11_cp

     
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    from Jason Lacantora, to me this would be a major disapointment unless they worked him out at FS and they feel he can be a day one starter back there.  Doing some reading on him, this might be the option if he's drafted by the Pats. Very experienced, started games as a freshman and has eversince.  Still not a CB who would I would consider a #1 or #2. Surprise corner for Patriots? Like others, I expect New England to trade one of its two first-round picks. If they stay at No. 31, though, they have done a lot of work on corners. It would be a surprise, but I continue to hear strong reports on Vandy corner Casey Hayward. New England did a lot of work on him. If New England does deal with Cleveland, and move back atop the second round, then Howard may be in play there as well.   http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8289de68/article/2012-nfl-draft-latest-rumblings-from-around-the-league?module=HP11_cp
    Posted by Pats7393



    Yeah I have seen that in a few different places. Im much higher on Casey Hayward than you are though. He is a ball hawk and can play both man and zone equally well. Not sure where you get the 'he is not even a no 2' opinion from. If they drafted him at 31, it clearly signals a move to FS for McCourty. I would prefer drafting Harrison Smith and keeping McCourty at CB.
     
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    I don't know if I would say Hayward is a ball hawk. He gets knocked on his lack of elite physical attributes, some question his lack of straight line speed, and some have suggested he may be a better fs than cb in the nfl.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Yeah I have seen that in a few different places. Im much higher on Casey Hayward than you are though. He is a ball hawk and can play both man and zone equally well. Not sure where you get the 'he is not even a no 2' opinion from. If they drafted him at 31, it clearly signals a move to FS for McCourty. I would prefer drafting Harrison Smith and keeping McCourty at CB.
    Posted by speedster81


    I don't like him a press guy and meant in the Pats he wouldn't be a #1 or #2 and for most teams it would be difficult for him to cover receivers down field without safety help.  Doesn't have the speed to sprint down field with fast receivers.

    I think his best NFL position is at safety.


     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!": This is worse than Christmas when I use to shake the box that was sitting under the tree 2 weeks before getting to open it. I wouldn't rule a big move up, but please god not for jones. Cox, Barron, brockers, Ingram. I like them all with a move up, but not at the sake of giving up 2 firsts. Has BB ever traded up that high only to trade again a few spots down? Meaning if he is targeting a specific player or two and feels like he needs to be at 12, but things unfold differently causing him to trade down a few spots and maybe pick up a 3rd or something...sounds crazy but can you add by taking away first ?
    Posted by PatsLifer


    He wouldn't make the trade if his target wasn't still on the board. The trade won't come until Seattle's on the clock.
     
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    I'm going into a pool with buddies on mock drafts, I think I'm about to give some money up. I went crazy, I either come across as a genious or an idiot lol
    in blue are my trades

    Pick Team Position Player
    1 Indi QB Andrew Luck
    2 Was QB Robert Griffin III
    3 Minnesota CB Morris Claiborne
    4 NYJ (Cle) RB Trent Richardson
    5 Tampa Bay MLB Luke Kuechly
    6 St. Louis (Was) OT  Matt Kalil
    7 Jacksonville WR Justin Blackmon
    8 Dallas (Mia) S Mark Barron
    9 Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore
    10 Buffalo OT Riley Reiff
    11 Kansas City ILB Donta Hightower
    12 Seattle DE Quinton Couples
    13 Arizona OG David DeCastro
    14 Miami (Dal) DE Melvin Ingram
    15 Philadelphia DT Fletcher Cox
    16 Clev (NYJ) WR Michael Floyd
    17 Cinci (Oak) CB Dre Kirkpatrick
    18 Ten (SD) DE Chandler Jones
    19 Chicago DE Nick Perry
    20 SD (Ten) S Harrison Smith
    21 Cincinnati DE Courtney Upshaw
    22 Cleveland (Atl) OT Jonathan Martin
    23 Detroit CB Janoris Jenkins
    24 Pittsburgh OG Cordy Glenn
    25 Denver QB Ryan Tannehill
    26 Houston WR Stephen hill
    27 NE (NO) OLB Shea McClellin
    28 Green Bay OLB Whitney Mercilus
    29 Mia (Bal) QB Kirk Cousins
    30 San Francisco DE Michael Brockers
    31 St Louis (NE) WR Kendall Wright
    32 NYG OT Mike Adams
     
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    Watched more clips of new players as well as ones already watched, including players on my list in case I had any different opinions come to light. Not really. List stayed mostly the same.

    Pure Pass Rushers with VERY quick 1st steps
    Andre Branch
    Bruce Irvin *
    Nick Perry

    All around DE/OLB types
    Vinny Curry
    Chandler Jones
    Shea McClellin
    Ronnell Lewis
    Donte Hightower

    DT/DE types
    Michael Brockers
    Devon Still
    Brandon Thompson
    Kendall Reyes
    Derek Wolfe
    Jared Crick

    Safeties
    Mark Barron
    Harrison SMith
    Brandon Taylor

    Running Backs
    David Wilson
    Doug Martin
    Isaiah Pead
    LaMichael James *
    Chris Polk

    Inside Linebackers
    James-Michael Johnson
    Tank Carder
    Miles Burris


    Linemen
    Amini Silatolu
    Bobby Massie
    Kevin Zeitler


    DB
    Stephon Gilmore
    Janoris Jenkins *
    Josh Robinson
    Casey Hayward
    Jamell Flemming
    Brandon Boykin

    Receivers
    Mohamed Sanu
    Marvin Jones
    Danny Coale
    Jarius Wright
    Greg Childs
    Chris Givens
    Devon Wiley

    Good but knuckleheads *

    Wished I could have found more film on
    Jack Crawford
    Coty Sensabaugh
    Justin Bethel
    Jeron McMillian
     
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    Low...is your list in order of rank at each position? Who do you see the Pata drafting with their first 4 picks? Whats your preference?
     
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    1 Hour to go!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : I just keep thinking Mike Wright, but if McClelling is clear and they haven't been a problem, he's the pick at 27.  Too good a football player to pass up IMO.  
    Posted by Pats7393


    Exactly! give him a Mark Kelso (Bills  SS in the 90s hey days) helmet. of course he will look a lot like Rick Moranis ( Lord Dark Helmet) in Spaceballs but hey if it works!
     
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    Who will be upset if the Pats draft Zebrie Sanders OT?  I think an OT will be drafted, OL looks OK now but it's one retirement away and an injury from not looking so great.


     
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    Who will be upset if the Pats draft Zebrie Sanders OT?  I think an OT will be drafted, OL looks OK now but it's one retirement away and an injury from not looking so great.
    Posted by Pats7393

    lol for some reason I don't see Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, or Thomas retiring soon but an injury is possible. But, you don't draft early on just in case of injury. Now if you are talking about RG for Waters after next year then you might be on to something, or a swing T/G that could become a starting G eventually then sure

     
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    Faucet is on-line, pouring some wine and ready to dine.  My concern is today could be boring if we move back twice into early round 2.  But I feel we'll take Harrison Smith at 27 then trade 31 and tomorrow will be more exciting.
     
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    I've got a feeling Dallas is going to pay a lot for Barron. More I watch Smith, the more I see a Day 1 Starter on the Pats. This kid will cover todays TE's no problem.
    Posted by bobbysu

    Welcome to our team bobbysu.  Now there's me, Mb and you.  Who else is jumping on the Smith train?
     
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    Pats move up trade with Houston, get 26 and have 27th. McClellin and Smith. If not Packers grabs 1 for sure. Need both for that team.
    Posted by bobbysu

    I have to wonder with the Kyle Clifton retirement if the Packers readdress OL also the same with Philly who just lost Peters
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : lol for some reason I don't see Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, or Thomas retiring soon but an injury is possible. But, you don't draft early on just in case of injury. Now if you are talking about RG for Waters after next year then you might be on to something, or a swing T/G that could become a starting G eventually then sure
    Posted by PatsEng


    LMAO, all those guys are almost 25 over the hill already they need to hang them up.  

    I was thinking more along the lines of Waters and Koppen and Voll's back.  Sanders has LT potential.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Welcome to our team bobbysu.  Now there's me, Mb and you.  Who else is jumping on the Smith train?
    Posted by Faucetman


    I've been there and think he's such a good player than I believe he goes early 20s.
     
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    I'm hearing Pats are going to move up ahead of Chicago for Chandler Jones.
     
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