***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    Just a thought, Pats have seen first hand how much pressure the Giants get with their Nascar package, well I give you Hightower, Jones, Bequette, Scott with Mayo Nink as LB Dowling RCB Arrington SCB DM LCB  Chung SS Gregory FS
    Posted by Pats7393


         Could have given us Hightower, Jones, Curry, and Thompson instead. Now that would have been a draft! But...nay!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! :      The horrid Wilson pick at #48, and the poor value trade-down from pick #62 ruined what could have been an outstanding draft. BB might as well have taken his two second rounders and tossed them in trash...because trash is what he got in exchange. Wilson is the next Terrence Wheatley/Darius Butler...and Bequette at #90 is hardly woth what the Pats could have gotten at #62. The joy and enthusiasm generated in day one was ripped away today by this BB fiasco. Just awful.
    Posted by TexasPat

    If they get a top end KR with the 5th tomorrow then I'd say they got good value of Bequette and a KR (returns were a major weakness last year) for #62.

    You can't hit on every pick but if they could get at least Eugene Wilson or T Jones production from Wilson I'll be happy enough. But even if they don't then I still think it was a great draft, provided that Jones, Hoghtower, and Bequette live up to their potential

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : I think if Cunningham breaks a nail scratching his balls, he will get cut.  The guy has done nothing, reminds me of that 3rd round bum we got out of Michigan awhile back.  Jake Bequette is wayyyyy better getting off the bus than I ever saw Cunningham being.  Scott should be fighting hard for a job.  His injury past is longer than a Janoris Jenkins rap sheet. I don't think we need another DT.  Not as a top need, and certainly not now at this point in the draft.  I say take a solid O player, ST type, Adams, Hilton, etc.  Might have to move up now, or just flat out trade it for a 4th next year and call it a wrap.
    Posted by Faucetman



    hilton is goen, is adams still there. got too depressed to listen for a while..
    im jsut glad we made a pick
    i agree on teh offense/kr

    rainey might be one of teh few left (offesne adn kr). i will have to check

    scott may be a waste or others as i dont see all teh edge players playing.

    agree on cuningham. my opinion of him never changed.

    do like bequette as a player

    dt i thought more than another edge guy.

    i didnt mean after this pick (i meant as opposed to)

    any big wrs left?

     
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    If they were going to draft Bequette I think they should have drafted Vinny Curry at 48 and then draft Brandon Thompson at 90.  Wilson would be available in the 5th round if they liked him that much.  Belichick talks a lot about value and that wasn't very good value at 48.  Like all of you I was scratching my head but I'm going to give this Wilson kid a chance.  He seems like a really good kid what a good work ethic.  Bequette seems like a decent pick but the second day of the draft could have been planned out a lot better than it was.
    Posted by PatsNut5480



    +1
     
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    i like the bequette pick....

    this makes me wonder if bb wants to experiment with something exotic to cure their 3rd and long woes

    a nwe version of nyg's nascar front (4 pass rushing DEs)

    nink 255 
    fanene 292
    bequette 274
    jones 266

    or something like... 2-5-4?

    i believe they still go 3-4 on first two downs

     
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    I'm giving the FS the benefit of doubt, only time will tell.  So far I like what was drafted I don't get the player picked but they needed a FS so he was worked out by the Pats (patriots.com has a phone interview with him) they must had seen something.  HE was worked out by a number of teams so you never know what went on, for now I haven't seen film didn't see much (any) Illinois games so I take BB and staff's on this one.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! :      The horrid Wilson pick at #48, and the poor value trade-down from pick #62 ruined what could have been an outstanding draft. BB might as well have taken his two second rounders and tossed them in trash...because trash is what he got in exchange. Wilson is the next Terrence Wheatley/Darius Butler...and Bequette at #90 is hardly woth what the Pats could have gotten at #62. The joy and enthusiasm generated in day one was ripped away today by this BB fiasco. Just awful.
    Posted by TexasPat


    +11
     
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    Just a thought, Pats have seen first hand how much pressure the Giants get with their Nascar package, well I give you Hightower, Jones, Bequette, Scott with Mayo Nink as LB Dowling RCB Arrington SCB DM LCB  Chung SS Gregory FS
    Posted by Pats7393


    u beat me to it
     
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    Not a huge fan of grades, but I'll go ahead and do them to start:

    Jones: A: Good pick, Big-time potential
    Hightower: A: Another stud
    Wilson: C-: Not a fan, but I'll give BB the benefit of the doubt
    Bequette: B+: Like the player but I think we should have gone DT/DE.  No complaints though.

    Overall: B+/B
     
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    34 underclassmen taken in 1st 3 rounds. That is the most ever taken in 1st 3 rounds
     
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    34 underclassmen taken in 1st 3 rounds. That is the most ever taken in 1st 3 rounds
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ



    cash premium for being a high pick is lower. there isn't much benefit to waiting longer in school to get picked higher. kids are starting to figure that they might as well start milking earlier. 
     
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    Pats don't pick again for about two rounds worth of picks... Came up with about one round worth of commonly known names that have been mentioned through out the process in some capacity on here.

    Bobby Massie
    Lamar Miller
    Alameda Ta'amu
    Ronnell Lewis
    Brandon Boykin
    Jared Crick
    Chris Polk
    Ben Jones
    Josh Chapman
    George Iloka
    Robert Turbin
    Marvin Jones
    Joe Adams
    Marvin McNutt
    James-Michael Johnson
    Josh Norman
    Omar Boldin
    Ron Brooks
    Joe Looney
    Shaun Prater
    Senio Kelemente
    Leonard Johnson
    Jarius Wright
    Phillip Blake
    Greg Childs
    Devon Wylie
    Chris Rainey
    Vick Ballard
    Miles Burris
    Chris Givens
    Danny Coale
    Justin Bethel
    David Molk
    Cam Johnson
    Billy Winn
    Coty Sensabaugh
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!

    Troy Brown:  (Paraphrased) And with the 48th pick in the 2012 NFL draft, the New England Patriots select...

    Me:  Josh Robinson, Kendall Reyes, Josh Robinson, Kendall Reyes...

    Troy Brown:  ... Tavon Wilson, Safety from Illinios.

    Me:  Who the f()ck is Tavon Wilson?!

    *Calmer heads prevailed and BB must be given the benefit of the doubt... we'll see... further research must be done on this kid.

    *Wasn't a huge fan of the value they got back for 62... seemed a bit light.

    *The Bequette pick (which I like a lot, had him as a Rd 3-4 kid on my board) certainly appears to signal a shift to more 43, but gives them depth/size/length/pass rush ability on the edge to play 34... some solid athleticism and versatility.

    *I will hold out hope that the Rd 5 pick nets Ron Brooks (prob gone in Rd 4) or Danny Coale or Miles Burris, or Robert Blanton or Shaun Prater or Coty Sensabaugh or heck, reach on Jonas Gray...

     
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    Not a huge fan of grades, but I'll go ahead and do them to start: Jones: A: Good pick, Big-time potential Hightower: A: Another stud Wilson: C-: Not a fan, but I'll give BB the benefit of the doubt Bequette: B+: Like the player but I think we should have gone DT/DE.  No complaints though. Overall: B+/B
    Posted by titletownfan


         Jones: A
         Hightower A
         Wilson F-
         Bequette C- (could and should have gotten a better player at #62)

         As grand as day one was...day two was God-awful. Wilson reach and pick 62 trade-down were inexplicably bad moves. They turned what could have been a fabulous draft into an average one. Horrendous decisions by BB to reach for a positional need at safety, rather than take the best player available. Even if Wilson turns out to be a good player, he likely could have been had in round 7. Yet, BB spent the 48th overall pick on him. 

           
     
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    The only time I can recall being this disappointed in a casting choice (the Wilson pick) is when I went to Godfather III and had to watch Coppola's daughter play Micheal Corleone's daughter and then on top of that watch George "Perfect Tan" Hamilton play the consigliere.
    THis is just really bad casting. And you gotta believe this kid reads these boards and has to come to town with a Buckner cloud over his head. This is just so bad all the way around.
    I can't believe the PR savvy Kraft family would approve of this. I mean I know there are a ton of Bellichick cultists out there...but how can any draft or Pats fan be happy with this much of a reach?
    Aaaahhhh, all these months discussing value and such and the genius reaches into a fishbowl and picks a name out. Might as well have.
     
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    why does nfl.com have jones listed as 247 lbs?
     
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    The only time I can recall being this disappointed in a casting choice (the Wilson pick) is when I went to Godfather III and had to watch Coppola's daughter play Micheal Corleone's daughter and then on top of that watch George "Perfect Tan" Hamilton play the consigliere. THis is just really bad casting. And you gotta believe this kid reads these boards and has to come to town with a Buckner cloud over his head. This is just so bad all the way around. I can't believe the PR savvy Kraft family would approve of this. I mean I know there are a ton of Bellichick cultists out there...but how can any draft or Pats fan be happy with this much of a reach? Aaaahhhh, all these months discussing value and such and the genius reaches into a fishbowl and picks a name out. Might as well have.
    Posted by pumpsiefan


         I'm with you. Tonight was was a major disappointment.

         Rather than trying to fill a specific need at safety, and forcing a valueless trade-down to obtain an extra pick, BB would have been far better off trying to trade down at #48...and/or simply using the two picks to take the best players available, at any position of need (CB, DT, RB, WR, OL).  

         You can't tell me that Wilson qualifies as the best player available.
     
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    too much overreaction over the wilson pick...

    step back. big picture is the d personnel is improved. even with a "hole" at s, they have all the people they need to more quickly get off the field.
     
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    Pats don't pick again for about two rounds worth of picks... Came up with about one round worth of commonly known names that have been mentioned through out the process in some capacity on here. Bobby Massie Lamar Miller Alameda Ta'amu Ronnell Lewis Brandon Boykin Jared Crick Chris Polk Ben Jones Josh Chapman George Iloka Robert Turbin Marvin Jones Joe Adams Marvin McNutt James-Michael Johnson Josh Norman Omar Boldin Ron Brooks Joe Looney Shaun Prater Senio Kelemente Leonard Johnson Jarius Wright Phillip Blake Greg Childs Devon Wylie Chris Rainey Vick Ballard Miles Burris Chris Givens Danny Coale
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    i dotn see it happening but id like mcnutt or childs
     
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    Hope BB gets drilled at his presser tonight ... weak ars press corp will wilt ... wont be any follow-up questions regarding the sheer ineptitude of taking this super reach...  With every worthy pick going to rivals Im gettin even more pizzed off  ...   If this was any other GM we'd be calling the guy a major DOOOOOO sh
    Posted by CaptnFoxboro


         I wonder what those defending the Wilson pick would be saying, if the Jets had made this pick...LOL!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! :      I wonder what those defending the Wilson pick would be saying, if the Jets had made this pick...LOL!!!
    Posted by TexasPat


    Al Davis/Mike Mitchell did pop into my head as I was trying to figure out what just happened.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!

    Funniest part of the night.

    My buddy was in the other room getting a beer as it was announced that NE had traded pick 62. 

    Me:  NE just made a trade.

    My Buddy:  Hopefully they traded Tavon Wilson

    Had a hearty chuckle with that one.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Wish we used the pick on Troy Brown.
    Posted by bobbysu


         Another tragic thing about the Wilson pick was that it was announced by Troy Brown. Whenever I've thought about Troy previously, visions of his punt return for a TD in the 2001 AFC title game in Pittsburgh, and his SB catch on a crossing pattern to set up the winning FG in SB 36, came to mind. Now...those memories will be replaced by him announcing, "the Patriots have selected safety Tavon Wilson". Augggghhhhh!!!!    
     
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    Wilson just another pick in a long line surprises, some more than others

    Will be interesting to see how it works out. 7 teams brought Wilson in for "official" visits. Don't always pay super close attention to official visits but do teams really bring in UDFA types for official visits? They might, I have no idea.

    Mayo
    Mankins
    Vollmer
    Slater
    B. Johnson
    M. Carter

    Just have to assume his pro day and private workout with the Pats was impressive. I hope.
     
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