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    Brandon Lloyd is open to returning to the St. Louis Rams next season, but certainly isn't turning his back on the possibility of joining the New England Patriots , either. Lloyd's quest to reunite with Josh McDaniels for a second time took another turn Monday, when the Pro Bowl receiver expressed his desire to play for the coach under whom he enjoyed the best season of his career.  La Canfora: A game of tag Teams now are free to put franchise tags on players. Jason La Canfora breaks down what moves you can expect to see. More ... "I find that very interesting. I would like to entertain that and see where that goes. I’ve made no bones about that," Lloyd said Monday on ProFootballTalk.com's "PFT Live" . "I’ve been very successful in Josh’s offense. I admire Tom Brady . I admire what that organization has done. I admire that organization and how they run things over there. I’d definitely be interested in hearing how I could possibly fit into that equation." Lloyd, who posted career numbers playing for McDaniels in Denver in 2010, was traded midway through last season to the Rams, where McDaniels was offensive coordinator. McDaniels now holds the same position in New England. Lloyd's agent, Tom Condon, told the Boston Herald last week that he'd be willing to work toward a deal with the Patriots despite his past history with the franchise. "(Lloyd would) like to be with Josh," Condon said. "He'd also like to get paid. I think he'll be a player teams will be interested in." Lloyd had 77 receptions for 1,448 yards and 11 touchdowns in 2010, all career highs, when McDaniels was head coach of the Denver Broncos . He had 51 receptions for 683 yards and five touchdowns in 10 games after teaming up with McDaniels in St. Louis this past season. Lloyd told "PFT Live" that the Rams do have a chance to re-sign him this offseason, and he wouldn't object if they used their franchise tag to retain him. “A pay raise is always welcomed,” Lloyd said.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I ALWAYS hate to hear guys yapping about getting paid. Even if it comes from their agent at times. ..and that's not to say I begrudge any of them to get as much as they can. I think they should. Just don't go around flapping your jaws about it.

    Annoys the heck out of me.
     
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    "2012 Potential Patriots Draft Database" 

     
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    TO MB:  I see you had Miami taking Riley Ruff OT  with their first pick.  Talk today on NFL Radio saying that with Mike Sherman on board at Miami and they do not get  a QB in free agency they would considrr taking Tanehill ( 3rd best QB?) in the first round .. I doubt he would go that low so I assume they would trade down a few slots.

    so

    is QB that big a concern over OL for Miami?

    would he still be there for then with thei 2nd pick?

    if he goes 1st round to them I would assume we could only benefit with some better guy could slide to us.  or does Ruff slide by us and nothing changes. Any ideas who might make it to 27 if this plays out?
     
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    RE: Barron. 

    Double Hernias

    A double hernia -- commonly a bilateral hernia -- occurs when you have two hernias. Typically, the hernias occur on the left and right sides of your body. The occurrence of the first hernia may heighten the risk for the second, companion hernia. While doctors may monitor the progress of a single hernia, double hernias almost always require surgery as support belts, wraps and briefs can't provide the support necessary to compensate for the damage associated with a double hernia.

    Surgery

    The least invasive type of surgery is laparoscopic repair. A small camera attached to a telescope is inserted through an incision under the belly button. Two small cuts about the size of a pencil eraser are made in the lower abdomen and used to repair the hernia using a mesh. In open repair a larger incision is made. Your surgeon will recommend which type of surgery is best for you.

    Recovery

    Recovery from laproscopic repair should allow you to get back to normal activities such as showering, walking up stairs, work, lifting, sexual intercourse and driving, possibly within a few days, though individuals can vary significantly in their recovery. You will probably have a two-week follow up with your doctor, during which you can evaluate your condition and discuss exercise plans. You will likely have to refrain from heavy lifting, including weight lifting, and rigorous workouts for at least six to eight weeks. Ask your doctor about whether you should wear a girdle or support belt. Avoid pushing or applying abdominal pressure when you cough, have bowel movements and urinate.

    Types of Workouts

    While you will need to refrain from weight lifting and exercises that place pressure on your abdominal wall, you probably can still do certain activities while you are recovering. Walking provides aerobic activity, burns calories and helps keep your muscles toned. Other cardiovascular activity, such as swimming, biking or gentle aerobic classes also help to maintain your fitness during recovery. Yoga enhances muscle tone and you can choose positions that minimize abdominal stress. Speak with your health care provider about getting exercises that help strengthen your abdominal wall during recovery, and follow your caregiver's instructions on exercise. Until you are given the go-ahead by your physician, avoid exercises that cause you to push or strain your abdominal muscles.

    Sports

    Your participation in non-contact sports like baseball, tennis and basketball can resume in six to eight weeks, but given the nature of sports and the possibility of accidental contact, it is always best to inform your doctor of your intentions. Contact sports like football or hockey should be avoided for at least 12 weeks.

    Alabama safety Mark Barron will not be able to participate in the upcoming Scouting Combine after undergoing a double-hernia surgery, NFLDraftScout.com has confirmed. 

    Barron is the only safety currently rated by NFLDraftScout.com as a first round talent.
      
    There had been speculation at the Senior Bowl that Barron had been unable to participate in the event due to a pre-existing medical condition. 

    The rehabilitation for a hernia surgery typically runs two to four weeks but can extend up to eight weeks. The Combine is scheduled to begin in less than two weeks, covering February 22-28 in Indianapolis. 

    Complicating matters is that Barron may not be sufficiently healed or in the shape he'll want to be when Alabama holds their Pro Day March 7.

    A high-ranking team official thought to be considering using a high pick on a defensive back in the April draft didn't think the surgery would have any lasting impact on Barron's stock.

    "No, I can't see it having any real impact on his stock," the source said on the condition of anonymity. "I mean, he's got to get it healthy but he's a damn good football player with lots of tape. No one is going to drop him if he isn't able to run in Indy [Combine] or at their Pro Day."

    At 6-2, 218 pounds Barron has the size and athleticism scouts are looking for at the position. He earned First Team All-SEC honors after each of his three starting seasons with the Tide and was voted a consensus All-American as a senior. He leaves Alabama ranked eighth in school history with 12 interceptions and also has 235 tackles and 34 passes defensed to his credit. 

    Barron is the second Alabama senior to miss the Combine due to an injury. Senior nose guard Josh Chapman will also not be able to work out after it was discovered that he played through a torn ACL this season.

    The captain of an Alabama secondary that finished the year ranked first in pass defense (116.3 ypg) & pass efficiency defense (83.9), Barron is currently projected by both Dane Brugler and myself to be drafted in the first round. 
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Mankins had a poor year. When the Pats got Dillon he had ripped off 6 consecutive 1000+ yard seasons prior ro having a down year. He had missed 4 games total in 7 seasons. All while playing for the dregs of the league. HE was the offensive weapon. Go look up the Bengals history or great players(offensive weapons) during his time. Blake and pickens at the end of their usefulness? Fosters been in the league 3 seasons. Not played in 13 games.  More than three times as many missed in less than half the time. He's also playing in an offense that features one of if not the premiere deep threat WR in the NFL currently. Now maybe he will ultimately qualify for mentioning in the same breath as Dillon or even surpass him but not yet. Heck Ben Tate on the same team just rushed for almost 1000 yards(942) and a 5.4yard avg maybe he is elite too? or just maybe that scheme, offensive line, play calling, passing game, and commitment to the run have just a lil bit to do with Fosters success? Foster and Tate just combined for 453 rushing attempts. BJGE, Woodhead, and Ridley combined for only 345 rushing attempts So just two backs for Houston had more rushing attempts than three of the Patriots combined. So while BJGE may not be elite and Foster not elite yet the Patriots running game is Not a result of RB talent inadequacies, IMO. How, when, and how often they are used, are.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ

    Low, are you seriously dinging Foster for not playing a full season his rookie year as an UDFA?  He's played in 23 of 26 since then.  He's had as many touches as our top 2 rushing and top 2 receiving backs combined.
     
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    RE: Barron.  Double Hernias A double hernia -- commonly a bilateral hernia -- occurs when you have two hernias. Typically, the hernias occur on the left and right sides of your body. The occurrence of the first hernia may heighten the risk for the second, companion hernia. While doctors may monitor the progress of a single hernia, double hernias almost always require surgery as support belts, wraps and briefs can't provide the support necessary to compensate for the damage associated with a double hernia. Surgery The least invasive type of surgery is laparoscopic repair. A small camera attached to a telescope is inserted through an incision under the belly button. Two small cuts about the size of a pencil eraser are made in the lower abdomen and used to repair the hernia using a mesh. In open repair a larger incision is made. Your surgeon will recommend which type of surgery is best for you. Recovery Recovery from laproscopic repair should allow you to get back to normal activities such as showering, walking up stairs, work, lifting, sexual intercourse and driving, possibly within a few days, though individuals can vary significantly in their recovery. You will probably have a two-week follow up with your doctor, during which you can evaluate your condition and discuss exercise plans. You will likely have to refrain from heavy lifting, including weight lifting, and rigorous workouts for at least six to eight weeks. Ask your doctor about whether you should wear a girdle or support belt. Avoid pushing or applying abdominal pressure when you cough, have bowel movements and urinate. Types of Workouts While you will need to refrain from weight lifting and exercises that place pressure on your abdominal wall, you probably can still do certain activities while you are recovering. Walking provides aerobic activity, burns calories and helps keep your muscles toned. Other cardiovascular activity, such as swimming, biking or gentle aerobic classes also help to maintain your fitness during recovery. Yoga enhances muscle tone and you can choose positions that minimize abdominal stress. Speak with your health care provider about getting exercises that help strengthen your abdominal wall during recovery, and follow your caregiver's instructions on exercise. Until you are given the go-ahead by your physician, avoid exercises that cause you to push or strain your abdominal muscles. Sports Your participation in non-contact sports like baseball, tennis and basketball can resume in six to eight weeks, but given the nature of sports and the possibility of accidental contact, it is always best to inform your doctor of your intentions. Contact sports like football or hockey should be avoided for at least 12 weeks. Alabama safety Mark Barron  will not be able to participate in the upcoming Scouting Combine after undergoing a double-hernia surgery, NFLDraftScout.com has confirmed.  Barron is the only safety currently rated by NFLDraftScout.com as a first round talent.    There had been speculation at the Senior Bowl that Barron had been unable to participate in the event due to a pre-existing medical condition.  The rehabilitation for a hernia surgery typically runs two to four weeks but can extend up to eight weeks. The Combine is scheduled to begin in less than two weeks, covering February 22-28 in Indianapolis.  Complicating matters is that Barron may not be sufficiently healed or in the shape he'll want to be when Alabama holds their Pro Day March 7. A high-ranking team official thought to be considering using a high pick on a defensive back in the April draft didn't think the surgery would have any lasting impact on Barron's stock. "No, I can't see it having any real impact on his stock," the source said on the condition of anonymity. "I mean, he's got to get it healthy but he's a damn good football player with lots of tape. No one is going to drop him if he isn't able to run in Indy [Combine] or at their Pro Day." At 6-2, 218 pounds Barron has the size and athleticism scouts are looking for at the position. He earned First Team All-SEC honors after each of his three starting seasons with the Tide and was voted a consensus All-American as a senior. He leaves Alabama ranked eighth in school history with 12 interceptions and also has 235 tackles and 34 passes defensed to his credit.  Barron is the second Alabama senior to miss the Combine due to an injury. Senior nose guard Josh Chapman will also not be able to work out after it was discovered that he played through a torn ACL this season . The captain of an Alabama secondary that finished the year ranked first in pass defense (116.3 ypg) & pass efficiency defense (83.9), Barron is currently projected by both Dane Brugler and myself to be drafted in the first round. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    So who on the Pats scouting department has the assigmnent to monitor his love life???
     
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    TO MB:  I see you had Miami taking Riley Ruff OT  with their first pick.  Talk today on NFL Radio saying that with Mike Sherman on board at Miami and they do not get  a QB in free agency they would considrr taking Tanehill ( 3rd best QB?) in the first round .. I doubt he would go that low so I assume they would trade down a few slots. so is QB that big a concern over OL for Miami? would he still be there for then with thei 2nd pick? if he goes 1st round to them I would assume we could only benefit with some better guy could slide to us.  or does Ruff slide by us and nothing changes. Any ideas who might make it to 27 if this plays out?
    Posted by mgraham


    mg,
    Might have been somebody else that had mocked Reiff to Miami, but I think both Reiff and Tannehill will be off the board before NE selects.

    I'm still hoping for 1 or 2 of the Barron, Cox, Hightower, Konz group etc., in Rd 1, with the second group of potential interests being from the Gilmore, Reyes, Poe, Worthy group... assuming they're confident with Worthy's assumed inconsistency... the talent is there.

    You also can't count out a trade down/out with one of their 1st rounders and with the rookie salary scale now part of the equation, they may be more prone to trade up due to the reduced financial risk.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : mg, Might have been somebody else that had mocked Reiff to Miami, but I think both Reiff and Tannehill will be off the board before NE selects. I'm still hoping for 1 or 2 of the Barron, Cox, Hightower, Konz group etc., in Rd 1, with the second group of potential interests being from the Gilmore, Reyes, Poe, Worthy group... assuming they're confident with Worthy's assumed inconsistency... the talent is there. You also can't count out a trade down/out with one of their 1st rounders and with the rookie salary scale now part of the equation, they may be more prone to trade up due to the reduced financial risk.
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    my bad ...it was your post of Mel Kipers mock. which is good because if Tannehill goes before us ( not in Kipers mock) chances are good for Barron.. i like that !  as long as he takes care of the "package"
     
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    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Mankins had a poor year. 

    i thought he'd been showing signs of doing that ever since he got his deal. remember the pit game where tb was screaming at his teammates? i thought that was right after mankins let bjge get hit early (not sure if the DL got to the backfield). mankins played better the rest of the rest of the season after that.

    When the Pats got Dillon he had ripped off 6 consecutive 1000+ yard seasons prior ro having a down year. He had missed 4 games total in 7 seasons. All while playing for the dregs of the league. HE was the offensive weapon. Go look up the Bengals history or great players(offensive weapons) during his time. Blake and pickens at the end of their usefulness? Fosters been in the league 3 seasons. Not played in 13 games.  More than three times as many missed in less than half the time. He's also playing in an offense that features one of if not the premiere deep threat WR in the NFL currently. Now maybe he will ultimately qualify for mentioning in the same breath as Dillon or even surpass him but not yet. Heck Ben Tate on the same team just rushed for almost 1000 yards(942) and a 5.4yard avg maybe he is elite too? or just maybe that scheme, offensive line, play calling, passing game, and commitment to the run have just a lil bit to do with Fosters success? Foster and Tate just combined for 453 rushing attempts. BJGE, Woodhead, and Ridley combined for only 345 rushing attempts So just two backs for Houston had more rushing attempts than three of the Patriots combined. So while BJGE may not be elite and Foster not elite yet the Patriots running game is Not a result of RB talent inadequacies, IMO. How, when, and how often they are used, are.

    i don't think people here will be surprised to see me say here that i completely agree with this. do you think this will change in the near future?


     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Workout warrior = OK (Doesn't by name alone mean their isn't also good production and game film to back it up) Looks and moves like Tarzan in shorts but plays like Jane = Bad :)
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ

    Workout warriors, typically have a negative cogitation. The reason being is because they look much better in the weight room then they do on film. There stock usually jumps dramatically because of triangle numbers (ala Gholston)

    I just don't use that term for players that have the production on the field combined with their weight room numbers. I like to reserve it for those who's stock raises solely based on triangle numbers and not on production on film

     
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    Man the raiders seem to be in a mess as well

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82704bb5/article/ward-newman-and-cooley-highlight-cap-casualty-season?module=HP11_hot_topics
     
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    The way I see it, there is less than a 50% chance that Barron makes it to 27 and since S is our biggest need, we have to get either Tyvon Branch or Michael Griffin in free agency.  This is unless we get a Courtland Finnegan or Brandon Carr and plan to move DMC to FS or plan to stay with Ihedigbo.  We can't pin our hopes on getting Barron and the drop off in talent to the next S is pretty far; whether it's Smith, Allen or Iloka, Martin or whomever we're looking at, is 2+ full rounds in talent decline.
     
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    Getting a feeling that by the time FA period begins the list of better players will be longer.  Just another thing to appreciate how Pats do business as an organization. They are in a perfect spot to improve this offseason by cashing in on other team's miss managements.
     
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    It's being reported that Mia is going to let Langford walk. He'd be good to bring in as a 1 year reclamation project adding depth to the DL. As a replacement for Ellis or G Warren
     
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    It's being reported that Mia is going to let Langford walk. He'd be good to bring in as a 1 year reclamation project adding depth to the DL. As a replacement for Ellis or G Warren
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    Would love that
     
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    Marvin Jones interview, if this dude runs a 4.4 he'll starting rising on boards.  damn it!  
     
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    Another new report is Light is thinking of retiring.

    This adds a new wrinkle to the draft. A couple of reports have suggested Light might think about retirement in which case Cannon would become the primary backup at T with Thomas as the secondary backup.

    This has a significant impact on the draft because it means Solder can no longer be the 3rd TE leaving us with only 2 TE's and it also means there is depth issue at G. If Waters also retires and even if they resign both Connolly and Koppen it leaves you thin at the G position.

    With this news it might be worth looking into some G's in FA and in the draft as well as FA TE's
     
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    Another new report is Light is thinking of retiring. This adds a new wrinkle to the draft. A couple of reports have suggested Light might think about retirement in which case Cannon would become the primary backup at T with Thomas as the secondary backup. This has a significant impact on the draft because it means Solder can no longer be the 3rd TE leaving us with only 2 TE's and it also means there is depth issue at G. If Waters also retires and even if they resign both Connolly and Koppen it leaves you thin at the G position. With this news it might be worth looking into some G's in FA and in the draft as well as FA TE's
    Posted by PatsEng


    Might be time to bring up Nate Potter Boise State, 6'6" 298 very athletic OT with a ton of experience.  No start ready but can provide depth and serve as a blocking TE. 4th/5th round rating right now.
     
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    Another new report is Light is thinking of retiring. This adds a new wrinkle to the draft. A couple of reports have suggested Light might think about retirement in which case Cannon would become the primary backup at T with Thomas as the secondary backup. This has a significant impact on the draft because it means Solder can no longer be the 3rd TE leaving us with only 2 TE's and it also means there is depth issue at G. If Waters also retires and even if they resign both Connolly and Koppen it leaves you thin at the G position. With this news it might be worth looking into some G's in FA and in the draft as well as FA TE's
    Posted by PatsEng

    And walk away from 5 mil?
     
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    Well the understanding was that it was really a 7mil 1 year deal and the Pats might cut him. Retiring would just be a measure for him to save face instead of moving to another team. It's been almost assumed before last years performance they would cut him after Solder got some experience to save the 5mil in cap space
     
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    watching 2003 hey rookie welcome to the NFL on NFL network and funny to hear and see what all the "experts" said about Charles Rogers.  WR drafted 2nd overall by the Lions, some said he and Joey Harrington would change Detroit.
    1st year broken collarbone out for season, 2nd year same, 3rd year suspended for 3rd drug policy violation detroit gets most of the money given to him back.

    Doesn't matter how much ability a kid has, some can even BS the best scouts and once they get their $$ their true colors come out.

    I think it's the reason BB puts so much into a kids character over his college career.  Some might have an insident here or there but what 18-22 yr old doesn't make some mistakes?  But how he acts on everyday basis, with team mates and coaches is the most important.
     
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    Studying safeties last 48 hours. After Mark Barron/Harrison Smith, there are too many height-weight-speed pageant winners that can't tackle

     
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    Todd McShay   @ McShay13   Reply     Retweet     Favorite   ·   Open Studying safeties last 48 hours. After Mark Barron/Harrison Smith, there are too many height-weight-speed pageant winners that can't tackle
    Posted by Rocky

    Though I would't call Iloka a hard hitter and he does on occassion break down in open space against good moves he is an average to above average tackler imo. The difference though between Iloka and Harrison/Barron is when Harrison/Barron hit you, you know it. When Iloka hits you he'll drag you down but won't bowl you over

     
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    Marvin Jones interview, if this dude runs a 4.4 he'll starting rising on boards.  damn it!   http://thefootballexpert.com/interviews/marvin-jones-wr-california.html
    Posted by Pats7393


    Hey, start thinking about a much better - and proven receiver - Nick Toon.  Heard of him???
     
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    Todd McShay   @ McShay13   Reply     Retweet     Favorite   ·   Open Studying safeties last 48 hours. After Mark Barron/Harrison Smith, there are too many height-weight-speed pageant winners that can't tackle
    Posted by Rocky



    Speaking of bad tackling. Although he is not mentioned to the Pats in any way I watched one vid on Youtube of that Zach Brown linebacker. Yes he was flying all over the place but he flat out missed a minimum of 7 tackles. He was awful. I think it was only one game if i remember correct so maybe just a bad game but wow it was bad for that one vid.
     
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