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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : ...Finding a pure FS isn't going to happen in this draft ...
    Posted by Faucetman


    the kid i want is still in school. he wears #1 for LSU.
     
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    Posted by rameakap

    exacly my kind of strategy.

     
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    A quick look at our current roster shows that there is really only one starting position up for grabs for a draft pick and that's FS.  If Barron is gone, I think Harrison Smith at 31 (or with a slight trade down to a team wanting to get Weedon) has to make sense.  I realize he's considered more of a box safety but if you listen to the kid, he says he can do it all and Mayock tends to agree.  Besides, it doesn't hurt to have interchangeable safeties.  Chung's style of play means he will miss games so we need a guy who can flex both ways. Harrison Smith was a tackling and hitting machine at ND and you have to love his size, 6-2, 213 with 32.5" arms.  Mayock said at the Combine that in all the games he covered for ND, he only saw Smith miss one tackle.  That alone makes it worth it to me to get this kid.  If we think he can last until 48, I'd prefer that but I don't think we can afford to take a chance.  So, unless we are moving McCourty to FS, we better get Barron or Smith in the draft.
    Posted by Faucetman

    i would love to get hill (as long as we still get jenkins). i am not sure he will drop to us (or near us) and we surely can get a big outside wr at the end of 2.
    if we got those 2 in round 1 id like that. 

    re fs, im in favor of moving mccourty to fs and coaching him up there. i think he has skills better suited to it.

    still wouldnt say no to barron (as long as i get jenkins too-and at a higher priority)

    dont know if smith can do much against the pass (and we already have chung who cannot cover well (my hunch is he may be better at covering than chung, at least as good, but i may prefer a better cover safety). id much prefer to have 2 cover safetys on the field, even if one is a ss and great against the run (a la barron and mccourty)

     
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    Since some are talking about the O Line. I'll just say that Gallery could be OG and Solder could at LT with Connoly playing center. I don't think it solves problems with depth, but the Pats don't have to go O Line with their first 4 picks unless they find great value. I'd grab someone like Zettler in the 3rd. I straddling the fence on Jenkins and I am completely on board if Barron is there at #27. I don't think he will be though.
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz

    i believe it was faucet who pointed out to me zeitler can play c,g,or t which has me leaning heavily toward him in the draft as out o line pick.

    if we got curry, jenkins, zeitler, a big outside wr and a good dt that would make our draft imo. with an extra pick and udfa's coale or hemingway as the future slot and a potential feature back to compete with ridley.

    if we get a pick for hoyer before the draft it makes this all easier.

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I like Moore as a nickel corner.  If the plan is to move McCourty to FS, then yes, we could go CB instead of S but I worry about Chung getting hurt all the time and not having a physical S in the box.  I think Harrison Smith at 48 could make a ton of sense.  In really studying our depth chart we also still need an OLB opposite Ninkovich.  Right now it looks like Scott and Cunningham are the only other OLBs.  I love the potential of Andre Branch to play in space and rush the passer.  Love his measurables and everything.  Of course depth at DT is needed and at OG and perhaps WR but we could get by with the WRs we have now. The cool thing is we could go to battle with the roster we have now and win 12+ games, so the draft is gravy.
    Posted by Faucetman

    i like branch as well and was in a lot of my mocks. at one point i liked still and branch in rd 1.

    agree on needingto sure up chungs spot do to potential injuries

     
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    Wow, this is tough.  How the heck are we going to find space for 6 rookies to make the 53?  I don't think we can so I'd actually look to trade pick 31 for 2013 first to a bad team.  Maybe St. Louis wouldn't mind since they have a pair of #1s each of the next 2 years?  I would then trade our 4th for a 2013 3rd.  If we added 4 picks similar to this, we'd be pretty set.  Ideally we'd get Cox at 27 but he's probably gone and I'm not sold on Reyes. Most likely Smith will be gone before 62 so we are probably moving McCourty over and taking a CB.  Personally I'd dump Hoyer and draft a WR.  The depth is too good to pass up and we are too old at the position but my God, how can we fit another WR unless we cut Ocho?  I'm already writing off Gonzales and Allen. OFFENSE 25 Players Slot 31 W Welker '12 26 Edelman '12   WR 31 B. Lloyd '14 34 Ochocinco '13   LOT 23 N Solder '15     LG 31 R Gallery '12 31 Mankins '16 PUP   C 30 D. Connolly '14 26 Wendell '13   ROG 35 B. Waters '12 #94 S. Kelemete   RT 27 Vollmer '12 24 M. Cannon '14   TE 23 Gronkowski '13 22 Hernandez '13 28 D Fells '14 QB 35 Tom Brady '14 26 Hoyer '12 24 Mallett '14 RB 23 S. Veeren '14 26 Woodhead '12   23 S. Ridley '14 S Larson '13 T. Fiammetta       WR 33 Branch '12 31 Stallworth '12           DEFENSE 25 Players DE   30 J Fanene '14 26 Pryor '13 Cunningham '13 NT 30 Wilfork '14 25 R. Brace '12   DE 25 Deaderick '13 26 Love '12   OLB/DE #27 A. Branch #48 S. McClellin   ILB 26 Mayo '16 25 Fletcher '12   24 J Tarpinian ILB 25 B Spikes '13 31 T White '14   OLB 29 Ninkovich '13 28 T Scott '12   LCB 23 Dowling '14 23 S Moore '12   RCB 26 McCourty '14 26 Arrington '12   SS 25 Chung '12 24 S Brown '13   FS #62 H. Smith 29 S. Gregory '14 27 M Slater '14   SPECIAL TEAMS 3 PK 28 Gostkowski '14     P 25 Z. Mesko '13     LS 24 D Aiken    
    Posted by Faucetman

    if we did drat less players, i believe it would be smarter to trade u to get better players vs trading into next year. otherwise you wont be helping yourself becasue you will need less and less players who can make it and always be trading them into the future. re wide receiver you said it yoruself this draft is too deep not to capitalize. i would not walk out of this draft wiothout a big outside wr and a slot wr (even if udfa).

    trade hoyer forwhat we can get.

    olb de for sure
    shut down corner in jenkins (go along with dowling and moore)
    big outside wr (mismatches on the outside, big target
    versatile o lineman (ieally c/g/t versatility)
    dt

    extra safety? (to go along with devin and chung)

    undrafted:
    potential feature back 
    slot wr

     
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    Wow, this is tough.  How the heck are we going to find space for 6 rookies to make the 53?  I don't think we can so I'd actually look to trade pick 31 for 2013 first to a bad team.  Maybe St. Louis wouldn't mind since they have a pair of #1s each of the next 2 years?  I would then trade our 4th for a 2013 3rd.  If we added 4 picks similar to this, we'd be pretty set.  Ideally we'd get Cox at 27 but he's probably gone and I'm not sold on Reyes. Most likely Smith will be gone before 62 so we are probably moving McCourty over and taking a CB.  Personally I'd dump Hoyer and draft a WR.  The depth is too good to pass up and we are too old at the position but my God, how can we fit another WR unless we cut Ocho?  I'm already writing off Gonzales and Allen. OFFENSE 25 Players Slot 31 W Welker '12 26 Edelman '12   WR 31 B. Lloyd '14 34 Ochocinco '13   LOT 23 N Solder '15     LG 31 R Gallery '12 31 Mankins '16 PUP   C 30 D. Connolly '14 26 Wendell '13   ROG 35 B. Waters '12 #94 S. Kelemete   RT 27 Vollmer '12 24 M. Cannon '14   TE 23 Gronkowski '13 22 Hernandez '13 28 D Fells '14 QB 35 Tom Brady '14 26 Hoyer '12 24 Mallett '14 RB 23 S. Veeren '14 26 Woodhead '12   23 S. Ridley '14 S Larson '13 T. Fiammetta       WR 33 Branch '12 31 Stallworth '12           DEFENSE 25 Players DE   30 J Fanene '14 26 Pryor '13 Cunningham '13 NT 30 Wilfork '14 25 R. Brace '12   DE 25 Deaderick '13 26 Love '12   OLB/DE #27 A. Branch #48 S. McClellin   ILB 26 Mayo '16 25 Fletcher '12   24 J Tarpinian ILB 25 B Spikes '13 31 T White '14   OLB 29 Ninkovich '13 28 T Scott '12   LCB 23 Dowling '14 23 S Moore '12   RCB 26 McCourty '14 26 Arrington '12   SS 25 Chung '12 24 S Brown '13   FS #62 H. Smith 29 S. Gregory '14 27 M Slater '14   SPECIAL TEAMS 3 PK 28 Gostkowski '14     P 25 Z. Mesko '13     LS 24 D Aiken    
    Posted by Faucetman

    How about writng off Sergio Brown. He was horrible.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Aren't you concerned about Hosley's size.  Listed at 5-10, 178; that's pretty diminutive in terms of weight, especially given all the tall, physical WRs in the NFL, and soon to be, now.  He may have a tough time matched up outside against tall physical receivers.  I think we have to really consider the size of the CBs BB has been drafting lately.  Dowling 6-1, 198, McCourty 5-10, 193, Malcolm William 5-11, 200.  Robinson has over 20 lbs on Hosley and he was the fastest CB at the Combine.  If you're looking at ball hawking skills, 3 picks to 2 isn't a factor.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I don't think his size is ideal, but he was up to 182 at VT's pro day, and I don't see getting up to 185 or so is much of an issue.  I'm looking at it from a schematic/skills set fit and Hosley, IMO, has some of the top ball skills/closing ability available in this class.  I'm also very high on Josh Robinson, have him as the 4th CB on my board and there isn't much seperating him and Hosely.
     
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    A quick look at our current roster shows that there is really only one starting position up for grabs for a draft pick and that's FS.  If Barron is gone, I think Harrison Smith at 31 (or with a slight trade down to a team wanting to get Weedon) has to make sense.  I realize he's considered more of a box safety but if you listen to the kid, he says he can do it all and Mayock tends to agree.  Besides, it doesn't hurt to have interchangeable safeties.  Chung's style of play means he will miss games so we need a guy who can flex both ways. Harrison Smith was a tackling and hitting machine at ND and you have to love his size, 6-2, 213 with 32.5" arms.  Mayock said at the Combine that in all the games he covered for ND, he only saw Smith miss one tackle.  That alone makes it worth it to me to get this kid.  If we think he can last until 48, I'd prefer that but I don't think we can afford to take a chance.  So, unless we are moving McCourty to FS, we better get Barron or Smith in the draft.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I still don't get where the whole Barron/Smith are "too much like Chung/primarily box S's" thoughts come from (this isn't aimed solely at you Faucet, just commenting on the topic in general).  Both players are very good playing in deep coverage and have done it plenty at their respective schools... they're also the two best tackling S's in this class by a wide margin and would rank at the top in most any class in that category, IMO.
     
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    Endleman will be working as a back up FS in training camp. He could make plays back there.
     
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    Endleman will be working as a back up FS in training camp. He could make plays back there.
    Posted by jeffory


    I think he'll improve with another year at DB, he's also not afraid to get his nose dirty, but I prefer him as a depth only player in the secondary, would much rather they bring in a legit safety man.
     
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    Posted by rameakap

    The NFL "experts" are pretty much trashing Courtney Upshaw saying he doesn't have a position in the NFL.  They say he can't play in space or drop and he's too short and will get engulfed by OTs.  He has short arms so can't fend off blocks well.  For me, he's a pretty darn good football player.  Spikes dropped like a rock because of his 40 time.  I wonder if we should be thinking Upshaw if he dropped to us at 27. 

    We would have come full circle on the kid.  A lot of us liked him at the beginning than after a strong Sr. Bowl he seemed to have elevated too high in round 1 and now he's free falling over measurables.  Maybe Upshaw at 27, Branch at 31 and we trade our 4th into next year for a 3rd.  We could then get Zeitler at 48 and a DB at 62 and a WR or KR-RB at 94.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : i would love to get hill (as long as we still get jenkins). i am not sure he will drop to us (or near us) and we surely can get a big outside wr at the end of 2. if we got those 2 in round 1 id like that.  re fs, im in favor of moving mccourty to fs and coaching him up there. i think he has skills better suited to it. still wouldnt say no to barron (as long as i get jenkins too-and at a higher priority) dont know if smith can do much against the pass (and we already have chung who cannot cover well (my hunch is he may be better at covering than chung, at least as good, but i may prefer a better cover safety). id much prefer to have 2 cover safetys on the field, even if one is a ss and great against the run (a la barron and mccourty)
    Posted by bredbru

    I love Jenkins as a player but boy, he's a gamble with the character.  I don't think he has matured.  He was looking all smug and gangster when one of the coaches was giving a "life" speech at the Combine.

    If we want a CB, I'd rather get Gilmore (who may be long gone), or Kirkpatrick if either slip to 27.  Hill is a total luxury pick at this point.  Love to have him but would rather get a top flight CB then a rush OLB.  What if we got Kirkpatrick and Upshaw in round 1?  That would be pretty awesome.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I still don't get where the whole Barron/Smith are "too much like Chung/primarily box S's" thoughts come from (this isn't aimed solely at you Faucet, just commenting on the topic in general).  Both players are very good playing in deep coverage and have done it plenty at their respective schools... they're also the two best tackling S's in this class by a wide margin and would rank at the top in most any class in that category, IMO.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    I think because they are big kids and known for hitting, run stopping and tackling that this is the perception on both these kids.  They are both listed as SS too.  But it doesn't mean they can't cover a little and play in space.

    We all know the NFL is about creating favorable match-ups.  Offenses are designed to put in personnel groups out there to attack the defense that's on the field.  Do I think either of these guys can cover the slot receiver, heck no!  But I think they can cover just about any TE and they are fast enough and long enough to help out in bracketed coverages down the middle and can double on the edge. 

    I love the flexibility of both these guys and I love the run support and sure tackling which has been a weakness of our DBs of late.  We might not be able to get Barron but we can sure get Harrison Smith.  The question is do we want him and how high are we willing to take him?
     
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    Updated draft board:

    Rd 1Rd 2 Keeping an eye on:
    S- Mark  BarronS- Harrison Smith DL- Billy Winn
    DL- Fletcher CoxCB- Jayron Hosley DL- Jerel Worthy
    DL- Michael BrockersDE/OLB- Shea McClellin DL Mike Martin
    CB- Dre KirkpatrickDE/OLB- Vinny Curry DE/OLB-Whitney Mercilus
    OLB- Courtney UpshawCB-Josh Robinson DE/OLB- Andre Branch
    LB- Dont'a HightowerWR- Rueben Randle DE/OLB- Nick Perry
    CB/S- Stephon GilmoreWR- Alshon Jeffery CB- Chase Minnifield
    DL- Kendall ReyesCB- Brandon Boykin 
    C- Peter KonzOG- Amini Silatolu CB/S Alfonzo Dennard
     S- Markelle Martin
     OT/OG- Jeff Allen
    Rd 3Rd 4 OT/OG- Tony Bergstrom
    DE/OLB- Cam JohnsonDL- Derek Wolfe OT/OG- Brandon Washington
    WR- Marvin JonesWR- Greg Childs OT- Mitchell Schwartz
    S- George IlokaWR- Joe Adams OT- Zebrie Sanders
    DL- Alameda Ta'amuWR- Devon Wylie OT- Brandon Mosley
    RB- Chris PolkCB- Omar Bolden OG Kevin Zeitler
    C- Ben JonesOG- Joe Looney OG- Lucas Nix
    OG/OT- Senio KelemeteCB- Shaun Prater C- Phillip Blake
    CB- Casey HaywardOLB- Kyle Wilber C- Mike Brewster
    DE/OLB- Jake BequetteDL- Josh Chapman WR- Mohamed Sanu
    WR- Chris Givens
    WR- Ryan Broyles
    Rd's 5-URFAWR- Jarius Wright
    CB- Ron BrooksWR- Marvin McNutt
    WR- Danny CoaleRB- Doug Martin
    LB- Vontaze Burfict
    DL- Kheeston Randall
    C/OG- Quentin Saulsberry
    DL- Markus Kuhn
    LB- Tank Carder
    OLB- Darius Fleming
    OLB- Vince Browne
    OLB- Tyler Nielsen
    OLB- Miles Burris
    DE/OLB- Brett Roy
    DE/OLB- Julian Miller
    DE/OLB- Olivier Vernon
    DL- Matt Conrath
    DL- Taylor Thompson
    DL- Dominique Hamilton
    DL- Ryan Van Bergen
    DL- Ethan Johnson
    DL- Jaye Howard
    DL- Travian Roberston
    DL- Akiem Hicks
    S- Brandon Taylor
    S- Jerron McMillian
    S- Dequan Menzie
    S- Jordan Bernstine
    CB/S- Neiko Thorpe
    CB/S- Robert Blanton
    CB/S- Coryell Judie
    CB- Asa Jackson
    CB- Coty Sensabaugh
    OG/OT- Markus Zusevics
    OG/OT- Nate Potter
    OT/OG- Tom Compton
    OT- Andrew Datko
    OT- Bryce Harris
    OG- Adam Gettis
    OG- Desmond Wynn
    TE- Brad Herman
    TE- George Bryan
    TE- Chase Ford
    TE- Kevin Koger
    RB- Jonas Gray
    RB-  Robert Turbin
    RB- Jeremy Stewart
    WR- Marquis Maze
    WR- AJ Jenkins
    WR- TJ Graham
    WR- Kashif Moore
    WR- Chris Owusu
    WR- Aaron Pflugrad   
     
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    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    amen to that!!  We don't want QB turned WR turned kick returner turned DB in our secondary.  We did that last year and it didn't work out too good.  I want Edelman backing up the slot and maybe returning punts. 

    We still need a good KR who is either a WR or RB by trade.
     
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    Updated draft board: Rd 1 Rd 2   Keeping an eye on: S- Mark   Barron S- Harrison Smith   DL- Billy Winn DL- Fletcher Cox CB- Jayron Hosley   DL- Jerel Worthy DL- Michael Brockers DE/OLB- Shea McClellin   DL Mike Martin CB- Dre Kirkpatrick DE/OLB- Vinny Curry   DE/OLB-Whitney Mercilus OLB- Courtney Upshaw CB-Josh Robinson   DE/OLB- Andre Branch LB- Dont'a Hightower WR- Rueben Randle   DE/OLB Chandler Jones CB/S- Stephon Gilmore WR- Alshon Jeffery   CB- Chase Minnifield DL- Kendall Reyes CB- Brandon Boykin   CB- Casey Hayward C- Peter Konz OG- Amini Silatolu   CB- Shaun Prater   CB/S Alfonzo Dennard   S- Markelle Martin Rd 3 Rd 4   OT/OG- Jeff Allen DE/OLB- Cam Johnson DL- Derek Wolfe   OT/OG- Tony Bergstrom WR- Marvin Jones WR- Greg Childs   OT/OG- Brandon Washington S- George Iloka WR- Joe Adams   OT- Mitchell Schwartz DL- Alameda Ta'amu WR- Devon Wylie   OT- Zebrie Sanders RB- Chris Polk CB- Ron Brooks   OT- Brandon Mosley C- Ben Jones OG- Joe Looney   OG Kevin Zeitler OG/OT- Senio Kelemete CB- Omar Bolden   OG- Lucas Nix CB- Leonard Johnson OLB- Kyle Wilber   C- Phillip Blake DE/OLB- Jake Bequette DL- Josh Chapman   C- Mike Brewster WR- Mohamed Sanu WR- Chris Givens Rd's 5-URFA WR- Ryan Broyles WR- Danny Coale WR- Jarius Wright LB- Vontaze Burfict WR- Marvin McNutt DL- Kheeston Randall RB- Doug Martin C/OG- Quentin Saulsberry DL- Markus Kuhn LB- Tank Carder OLB- Darius Fleming OLB- Vince Browne OLB- Tyler Nielsen DE/OLB- Brett Roy DE/OLB- Julian Miller DE/OLB- Olivier Vernon DL- Matt Conrath DL- Taylor Thompson DL- Dominique Hamilton DL- Ryan Van Bergen DL- Ethan Johnson DL- Jaye Howard DL- Travian Roberston DL- Akiem Hicks S- Brandon Taylor S- Jerron McMillian S- Dequan Menzie S- Jordan Bernstine CB/S- Neiko Thorpe CB/S- Robert Blanton CB/S- Coryell Judie CB- Asa Jackson CB- Coty Sensabaugh OG/OT- Markus Zusevics OG/OT- Nate Potter OT/OG- Tom Compton OT- Andrew Datko OT- Bryce Harris OG- Adam Gettis OG- Desmond Wynn TE- Brad Herman TE- George Bryan TE- Chase Ford TE- Kevin Koger RB- Jonas Gray RB-   Robert Turbin RB- Jeremy Stewart WR- Marquis Maze WR- AJ Jenkins WR- TJ Graham WR- Kashif Moore WR- Chris Owusu WR- Aaron Pflugrad      
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Surprised you are only keeping your eye on Andre Branch and Mike Martin.  I think both would be excellent.  Pryor keeps getting hurt and Martin is so athletic.  I love him in nickel situations.

    Mike Martin Quick facts.
    1.  Won the Michigan Wrestling State Championship in his junior season (after having no prior wrestling experience), 
    2.  Broke T.J. Duckett's former Michigan high school shot put record on his way to a state championship.
    3.  Appeared in 12 games as a true freshman.  In a reserve roll had 20 tackle, 4 for loss and 2 sacks.
    4.  Started at Nose 12 games as a sophomore. 51 tackles, 6.5 for loss, 2 sacks.  Voted team's best DL.
    5.  Second-team All-Big Ten honors as a junior.  Started 12 games, registering 37 tackles, six for loss and 2.5 sacks. He missed the Purdue Game on Nov. 13, 2010, due to an ankle injury that plagued him for the rest of the season but he played through it.
    6.  Second-team All-Big Ten honors in 2011, racking up a career-high 54 tackles and three sacks to go along with six tackles for loss.
    7.  He owed Mike Brewster at Senior Bowl practices.
    8.  Martin is an undersized nose tackle with loads of experience in a 3-4 defense. But he lacks a consistent anchor against double teams and just does not have the right frame to be an NFL starter. Because of his ability to penetrate against one-on-one blocks, Martin could be a solid rotation player in a 4-3 scheme as a three-technique tackle and move to the nose on passing downs.
    9.  Voted a 2011 season captain by teammates during fall camp … named to the Bednarik Award and Rotary Lombardi Award preseason watch lists.
    10. 7th at Combine in 40 at 4.88.  Of the tackles projected to be drafted ahead of him, only Fletcher Cox was faster.
    11. His 36 reps at 225 were second best behind Poe.
    12. His 7.19 cone was third best.  Cox was #1 and a nobody was #2.
    13. He was second in the Shuttle at 4.25 behind the same nobody.
    14. He was 5th in the vertical at 33.5.  This from a guy who is 306 lbs.

    I love Martin (and not because we share the same last name) as a late 2nd to mid 3rd round pick as a situational nickel DT. 
     
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Surprised you are only keeping your eye on Andre Branch and Mike Martin.  I think both would be excellent.  Pryor keeps getting hurt and Martin is so athletic.  I love him in nickel situations. Mike Martin Quick facts. 1.  Won the Michigan Wrestling State Championship in his junior season (after having no prior wrestling experience),  2.  Broke T.J. Duckett's former Michigan high school shot put record on his way to a state championship. 3.  Appeared in 12 games as a true freshman.  In a reserve roll had 20 tackle, 4 for loss and 2 sacks. 4.  Started at Nose 12 games as a sophomore. 51 tackles, 6.5 for loss, 2 sacks.  Voted team's best DL. 5.  Second-team All-Big Ten honors as a junior.  Started 12 games, registering 37 tackles, six for loss and 2.5 sacks. He missed the Purdue Game on Nov. 13, 2010, due to an ankle injury that plagued him for the rest of the season but he played through it. 6.  Second-team All-Big Ten honors in 2011, racking up a career-high 54 tackles and three sacks to go along with six tackles for loss. 7.  He owed Mike Brewster at Senior Bowl practices. 8.  Martin is an undersized nose tackle with loads of experience in a 3-4 defense. But he lacks a consistent anchor against double teams and just does not have the right frame to be an NFL starter. Because of his ability to penetrate against one-on-one blocks, Martin could be a solid rotation player in a 4-3 scheme as a three-technique tackle and move to the nose on passing downs. 9.  Voted a 2011 season captain by teammates during fall camp … named to the Bednarik Award and Rotary Lombardi Award preseason watch lists. 10. 7th at Combine in 40 at 4.88.  Of the tackles projected to be drafted ahead of him, only Fletcher Cox was faster. 11. His 36 reps at 225 were second best behind Poe. 12. His 7.19 cone was third best.  Cox was #1 and a nobody was #2. 13. He was second in the Shuttle at 4.25 behind the same nobody. 14. He was 5th in the vertical at 33.5.  This from a guy who is 306 lbs. I love Martin (and not because we share the same last name) as a late 2nd to mid 3rd round pick as a situational nickel DT.   
    Posted by Faucetman


    Believe me, I like this kid a lot, if they were/are going more 43 (short, short arms, not really a 2-gapper), he'd be a definite day 2 kid on my board.  He may work his way onto my Rd 3 stack before all is said and done.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Believe me, I like this kid a lot, if they were/are going more 43 (short, short arms, not really a 2-gapper), he'd be a definite day 2 kid on my board.  He may work his way onto my Rd 3 stack before all is said and done.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Martin is the same size as Pryor but more athletic.  I don't think it's about playing more 43.  We are in the nickel more than our base 34 anyway.  He'd probably play at least 40% of the snaps.  If we're thinking about who we could draft that could make the team and contribute, I see this roll as one of need.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Any chance we get the Dolphins trading us pick 42 for Hoyer after the Browns go with Tannehill in rd 1? I still want to sign Yeremiah Bell BADLY. Then we don't have to draft a safety. pick 27 - Upshaw (as noted is falling, we play him as a 4-3 DE only) pick 31  - traded to Philly with pick 127 for picks 46 and 51 pick 42 - (from Dolphins) Reyes or (more likely) Jerel Worthy pick 46 - Shea McClellin pick 48 - Doug Martin (or traded for Jonathan Stewart) pick 51 - traded down for a low 3rd and 2013 2nd rd pick (unless we don't sign Bell and Harrison Smith is here, if Smith is not maybe reach for Iloka) pick 63 - Chase Minnifield or Josh Robinson (get a CB who can kick) pick (say) 83 - Joe Adams pick 95 - one of Derek Wolfe, Billy Winn, Jared Crick, Kheeston Randall pick - one of the C's, Jones, Blake, Molk
    Posted by rameakap

    Nope because they could've signed him to an offer sheet for that same pick.  Now it's too late.   Hoyer has signed his tender.  So why trade for him now when they could have got him before?  I think 2nd round is way too rich for him anyway.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Martin is the same size as Pryor but more athletic.  I don't think it's about playing more 43.  We are in the nickel more than our base 34 anyway.  He'd probably play at least 40% of the snaps.  If we're thinking about who we could draft that could make the team and contribute, I see this roll as one of need.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I'm not sure nickel = undersized DL 40% of the snaps.  I think he'd see the field, but I don't know what the % split would be.  Pryor is a fair comparison in terms of size, but he was a 6th rounder so I'm not sure he's a good example of their willingness to spend day 1/2 picks on subpackage players.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!

    Amini Silatolu is the true definition of a "Man Among Boys" at the DII level...  he looks like a grown man playing against Pop Warner kids.  Just a nasty, nasty dude... Gronk smashing players into the ground all over the field...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y1vMglvFlE

    Would love to see what Dante could do with his raw strength/ability.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : How about writng off Sergio Brown. He was horrible.
    Posted by teegee


    you beat me to saying that!!!
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!

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    Wow, this is tough.  How the heck are we going to find space for 6 rookies to make the 53?  I don't think we can so I'd actually look to trade pick 31 for 2013 first to a bad team.  ...
    Posted by Faucetman


    is it really a concern? i know little about the business side, but how many of these contracts are binding?

    i'd rather have 6 rookies who are actually competing for starting spots, than the the thought of having to start the sergio browns of the world when a starter gets hurt. 


     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!

    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!:
    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I'm not sure nickel = undersized DL 40% of the snaps.  I think he'd see the field, but I don't know what the % split would be.  Pryor is a fair comparison in terms of size, but he was a 6th rounder so I'm not sure he's a good example of their willingness to spend day 1/2 picks on subpackage players.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Fair comment.  Martin would also be good on special teams with that size/speed combo.
     
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